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Since others seem to think their classifications don't matter, allow me to try to start a new trend.

I am a White, Calvinist, Heterosexual, Right-wing, Male, and yes it does matter to me and it ought to matter to you.

It matters. Just maybe not in the way you think it does.

Why exactly should it matter to me, if you dont mind me asking.

Ok, all I know is that I'm sick and tired of these stupid threads. It's late, I'm grumpy, and I've seen about 6 of these threads. Or at least it seems that way. So I leave you with these oh-so-insightful letters.

STFU.

It is because people think that things like ethnicity, religion, and nationality "matter" that just about every war ever to have happened has happened.

Melanchthon more like MeLOLnchthon

Ok, all I know is that I'm sick and tired of these stupid threads. It's late, I'm grumpy, and I've seen about 6 of these threads. Or at least it seems that way. So I leave you with these oh-so-insightful letters.

STFU.


Uhh..... get over yourself?

No one asked you to read this thread and no one is forcing you to stay.... so its okk, you can leave.

Why exactly should it matter to me, if you dont mind me asking.


From a purely sociological viewpoint, most people marry somebody from a virtually identical socio-economic, racial, and religious background, so whether or not folks admit it, it all matters.


People want children like they are, not mixed children or children with a religion they don't condone, so they pick a spouse who can give them children of their race, and who are inclined to help them raise the children in the religion they want.

Furthermore, class differences typically mean that the rich and poor have little common ground to get to know each other and thus would rarely be in situations to initiate courtship. Also, the way the rich teach their kids is different from the way the poor do, in regards to accepting discipline, etc. We learned this in sociology, one of the few things I accept in the class, because I fail to see an agenda behind it, and it really does make sense. When discussing things in class, any class, I always try to determine if the author we're reading, or the professor talking, has an agenda, and what that is, so I can try to see beyond that and get to the facts.

Sorry. I'm just in one of those moods where I feel like running around with a machine gun.

:mp5:

I'll sleep now. That shall be best.

You really, really need to get over yourself.

From a purely sociological viewpoint, most people marry somebody from a virtually identical socio-economic, racial, and religious background, so whether or not folks admit it, it all matters.


People want children like they are, not mixed children or children with a religion they don't condone, so they pick a spouse who can give them children of their race, and who are inclined to help them raise the children in the religion they want.

Furthermore, class differences typically mean that the rich and poor have little common ground to get to know each other and thus would rarely be in situations to initiate courtship. Also, the way the rich teach their kids is different from the way the poor do, in regards to accepting discipline, etc. We learned this in sociology, one of the few things I accept in the class, because I fail to see an agenda behind it, and it really does make sense. When discussing things in class, any class, I always try to determine if the author we're reading, or the professor talking, has an agenda, and what that is, so I can try to see beyond that and get to the facts.

Yhea good answer..... If I asked a different question. I am sorry but I just dont see how that matters to me or any one else on this forum really. Maybe I am just missing the point completely, Guess it doesnt help being stupid.... ohh well I will get over it.

I want little interracial babies. :) Yay.

No it doesn't matter. The only reason it matters is because you need something to cling to. Good luck with your issues when you need to get a life.

No it doesn't matter. The only reason it matters is because you need something to cling to. Good luck with your issues when you need to get a life.


Haven't you trolled/flamed/baited me enough yet

How many times are you going to need to be warned by them mods?

Telling me I need to, "Get a life" implies I'm a loser without a life, and thus if you stretch it, is a mild bait. But I'm not going to make a call on it, the mods have probably had their fill of my calls for a day or so. Although at least I'm not making as many as Neo-Anarchists, but still, I've made enough for now.

But if you cross the line, I won't hesitate to call it in. Anyway, please, tread lightly so we have no arguments and flame-wars in here, okay?


Thank you.

Yhea good answer..... If I asked a different question. I am sorry but I just dont see how that matters to me or any one else on this forum really. Maybe I am just missing the point completely, Guess it doesnt help being stupid.... ohh well I will get over it.
The problem is not with you. The problem appears to be that no-one here was thinking of marrying VE, and that he forgot to mention his class his in first post.
And that he only pays attention to classes in which he can understand the agenda behind them.

Since others seem to think their classifications don't matter, allow me to try to start a new trend.

I am a White, Calvinist, Heterosexual, Right-wing, Male, and yes it does matter to me and it ought to matter to you.

Blah, Blah, Blah. Oh dear, it looks like all of us non-(insert adjectives here) are really screwed this time. When the gates of hell open up and consume all, we're gonna suffer forever. Ooooh boy, that's gonna suck. WE won't even be able to talk to VoteEarly anymore, 'cause he'll be in heaven, laughing at us. Wait! That might not be so bad after all, then. Either way, there's nothing we can do about it. And if VE did have a solution, who would do it? I'm guessing...no one.

Ok, VoteEarly, I accept your challenge. I am better than you, becasue: 1) I am not an elitist (I claim only to be better than VE). 2) I like making others feel good about themselves (somebody keeps reminding us all that we're all hopeless sinners...) 3) I spend less time on time wasting online forums talking to people I don't care about (look at that post count. and that's all from tonight!) 4) more people will vote for me, who they don't know at all, then will vote for you. 5) I'm an all encopasing christian (Calvinism +++), bred of several ethnicities, and much more left-wing than you.

In conclusion, I rock.

Oh, I'm also a better Citizen of the World and Citizen of the USA than you.

Haven't you trolled/flamed/baited me enough yet

How many times are you going to need to be warned by them mods?

Telling me I need to, "Get a life" implies I'm a loser without a life, and thus if you stretch it, is a mild bait. But I'm not going to make a call on it, the mods have probably had their fill of my calls for a day or so. Although at least I'm not making as many as Neo-Anarchists, but still, I've made enough for now.

But if you cross the line, I won't hesitate to call it in. Anyway, please, tread lightly so we have no arguments and flame-wars in here, okay?


Thank you.

I was going to say that I wasn't baiting you, but I was.

I did not imply that you were a "loser without a life", as I am yet to get a life. I really have no identity myself, no career, no family, none of the traditional ideas.

However, I don't have any of your hateful predispositions towards the rest of humankind, so I stand a much better chance of pursuing a "life".

Once you get rid of all the hatred and realize that we are all the same, you will be much better equipped to last in the real world.

From a purely sociological viewpoint, most people marry somebody from a virtually identical socio-economic, racial, and religious background, so whether or not folks admit it, it all matters.

You forgot to mention gender, comparable intelligence and at least some common interests in this enumeration ;) Which to me personally are far more important than the things you did mention - as reflected in the girls I dated. But when talking about "most people" you may be right.

People want children like they are, not mixed children or children with a religion they don't condone, so they pick a spouse who can give them children of their race, and who are inclined to help them raise the children in the religion they want.
Change "religion" to "life philosophy" and I agree on that personally. However "mixed" as in "different races" is not a consideration for me.

Furthermore, class differences typically mean that the rich and poor have little common ground to get to know each other and thus would rarely be in situations to initiate courtship.

The place where this happens is called "university" in my case. I can effortlessly think of others.

Why you should care about my information is of course a totally different question, but since you believe your data is important to me it seemed only fair.

Also, the way the rich teach their kids is different from the way the poor do, in regards to accepting discipline, etc.
In what way ? Do you mean poor children tend to be more disciplined because they cannot be allowed to waste things ?

I want little interracial babies. :) Yay.

Same. Well, sorta. I personally don't give a shit about the racial composition of my kids. If they're white, than so be it. If not, well than great. As for religion, I will raise my children with my values, which are derived from Christianity, but I will let them ultimately make religious choice on their own.

The problem is not with you. The problem appears to be that no-one here was thinking of marrying VE, and that he forgot to mention his class his in first post.
And that he only pays attention to classes in which he can understand the agenda behind them.

Intresting.... Well I dont think I would want to marry him or any other random forum poster. Thanks any way though =)

The problem is not with you. The problem appears to be that no-one here was thinking of marrying VE, and that he forgot to mention his class his in first post.
And that he only pays attention to classes in which he can understand the agenda behind them.


Oh yeah, upper echelon of the middle class. Sorry for forgetting that.

Since others seem to think their classifications don't matter, allow me to try to start a new trend.

I am a White, Calvinist, Heterosexual, Right-wing, Male, and yes it does matter to me and it ought to matter to you.
It does not matter, because we are all human beings. And as such, we are equals.

And your own personal beliefs should matter to you. But you should not kid yourself into thinking that it matters to anybody else.

Same. Well, sorta. I personally don't give a shit about the racial composition of my kids. If they're white, than so be it. If not, well than great. As for religion, I will raise my children with my values, which are derived from Christianity, but I will let them ultimately make religious choice on their own.
Haha, well it's not like I planned it, I just happen to fall in love with and be engaged to a guy from a different ethnic background

I think you have a severly over-inflated sense of self-worth, as well as a horribly skewed opinion of how many people here give a damn about you.

Same. Well, sorta. I personally don't give a shit about the racial composition of my kids. If they're white, than so be it. If not, well than great. As for religion, I will raise my children with my values, which are derived from Christianity, but I will let them ultimately make religious choice on their own.


My children will be 100% white as I will only marry a white woman, and my children will be Calvinists or at the very least conform to Calvinist morality and remain chaste until marriage, and they will be heterosexuals, and they will only ever date whites that I approve. If they want to do otherwise, they can stop living in my house and go live in the street.

As I've said before, you always have to love your kids, but you don't have to support what they do when you think they're wrong. If they won't adhere and conform to what they're told to do, then you don't have to support them. (Indeed the bible gives a father the authority to have his son stoned to death for disrespect, so any boy of mine will be lucky I don't think that's the right thing to do, and I settle for just some sort of "time-out" style punishment for minor things, or for major things, banishment out into the streets until such a time as they've reformed)

In what way ? Do you mean poor children tend to be more disciplined because they cannot be allowed to waste things ?


Poor people, according to my text, tend to have jobs which require immediate obedience and submission to managers, there is little room for creative thought, just do the job when told, etc. Thus they teach their kids that the most important thing is to accept discipline (they teach them in the manner in which they use to get their kids to comply, physical force typically)

I think you have a severly over-inflated sense of self-worth, as well as a horribly skewed opinion of how many people here give a damn about you.

I think that is obvious, since he apparently thinks he was put on this planet to fight God's war against evil.

I think that is obvious, since he apparently thinks he was put on this planet to fight God's war against evil.

Indeed. He mistakenly seems to think anyone else thinks it matters what his skin color, sexual preference, political orientation, religion, and gender are.

I was going to say that I wasn't baiting you, but I was.

I did not imply that you were a "loser without a life", as I am yet to get a life. I really have no identity myself, no career, no family, none of the traditional ideas.

However, I don't have any of your hateful predispositions towards the rest of humankind, so I stand a much better chance of pursuing a "life".

Once you get rid of all the hatred and realize that we are all the same, you will be much better equipped to last in the real world.


I am living in the Real World. Once Europe wakes up to what is going on, and realizes it's either a "Fight the invasion" or "Become a Muslim "Republic"' then folks will come crawling to my type, begging, "Help us, help us, what do we do? How are we going to live our decadent and hedonistic lives under Islamic Sharia!"

My children will be 100% white as I will only marry a white woman, and my children will be Calvinists or at the very least conform to Calvinist morality and remain chaste until marriage, and they will be heterosexuals, and they will only ever date whites that I approve. If they want to do otherwise, they can stop living in my house and go live in the street.

I'm male, Jewish, heterosexual, and upper-middle class. While it would be nice to stay within those bounds, I am not going to force my love to a specific category. It simply cannot be done. I've had feelings for blacks and I've had feelings for Christians. They're people. People that I admired. That's all that matters.

I think that is obvious, since he apparently thinks he was put on this planet to fight God's war against evil.
Shouldn't God's war be an oximoron.... plus.. I though that was Jesus' job.

I am living in the Real World. Once Europe wakes up to what is going on, and realizes it's either a "Fight the invasion" or "Become a Muslim "Republic"' then folks will come crawling to my type, begging, "Help us, help us, what do we do? How are we going to live our decadent and hedonistic lives under Islamic Sharia!"
Paranoid delusions. You are a psychologist's best friend.

Indeed. He mistakenly seems to think anyone else thinks it matters what his skin color, sexual preference, political orientation, religion, and gender are.


Actually no, I've talked to women who are basically me except they're female, and they won't date anybody who isn't basically a male version of themselves. It's just my damn awful luck they're all in other countries or a half dozen states away from mine.

Um, what's Calvanist? This is a serious question.

I am living in the Real World. Once Europe wakes up to what is going on, and realizes it's either a "Fight the invasion" or "Become a Muslim "Republic"' then folks will come crawling to my type, begging, "Help us, help us, what do we do? How are we going to live our decadent and hedonistic lives under Islamic Sharia!"

No, Europe will continue to understand that people who hate, on either side, are the most dangerous people on Earth, and will never side with them. You will forever be left out in the cold.

A question, do you justify your hatred through the bible, or do you just go with Calvinist beliefs on this one?

EDIT: And I will welcome my child into this world no matter what race their mother is. They can grow up to live their lives in whatever way they want.

I can do this knowing that they will live far fuller lives than your children can hope for.

I'm male, Jewish, heterosexual, and upper-middle class. While it would be nice to stay within those bounds, I am not going to force my love to a specific category. It simply cannot be done. I've had feelings for blacks and I've had feelings for Christians. They're people. People that I admired. That's all that matters.


Some Jews are white, many aren't. If I had a picture of you, I'd be able to tell you if you're a racial Khazar, a White jew, or a Semitic jew, most likely I could tell that is.

Actually no, I've talked to women who are basically me except they're female, and they won't date anybody who isn't basically a male version of themselves. It's just my damn awful luck they're all in other countries or a half dozen states away from mine.

Sorry. I should have phrased that better. I meant you're under the mistaken impression that anyone here thinks any of those things matter. Besides Kahta, of course.

No, Europe will continue to understand that people who hate, on either side, are the most dangerous people on Earth, and will never side with them. You will forever be left out in the cold.

A question, do you justify your hatred through the bible, or do you just go with Calvinist beliefs on this one?


Calvinism is the only true form of the Gospel, thus Calvinism and the Bible mean the same thing to me.

I've posted over 100 biblical passages which prove Calvinism is true, and you won't listen to them, so I'm done quoting the bible to those who are blinded to the truth.

I am living in the Real World. Once Europe wakes up to what is going on, and realizes it's either a "Fight the invasion" or "Become a Muslim "Republic"' then folks will come crawling to my type, begging, "Help us, help us, what do we do? How are we going to live our decadent and hedonistic lives under Islamic Sharia!"
Wow. Three lines that are wrong at least five different levels.

*Applauds politely*

Calvinism is the only true form of the Gospel, thus Calvinism and the Bible mean the same thing to me.

I've posted over 100 biblical passages which prove Calvinism is true, and you won't listen to them, so I'm done quoting the bible to those who are blinded to the truth.

What about Roman Catholicism? What happens to us Catholics?

Calvinism is the only true form of the Gospel, thus Calvinism and the Bible mean the same thing to me.

I've posted over 100 biblical passages which prove Calvinism is true, and you won't listen to them, so I'm done quoting the bible to those who are blinded to the truth.

Show me the one where it says the sinners will slaughter you again. That one cracks me up.

Um, what's Calvanist? This is a serious question.


Follow the link in my signature, titled, "The 5 Points of Calvinism".

What about Roman Catholicism? What happens to us Catholics?
Hell, with the rest of us. :D

I've got some air jets to turn the sulphur springs into a spa bath. And I hear Satan makes some wicked home brew. ;)

Um, what's Calvanist? This is a serious question.
Not the right place to ask. VE has a somewhat ... er ... 'special' take on Calvinism not shared by the majority of Calvinists (to say the least).

Basically, Calvinism is a branch of Protestant Christianity. I recommend you Google it if you want more.

What about Roman Catholicism? What happens to us Catholics?


They're headed to hell, unless it's predestinated for them to accept Calvinism before they die. If they're Elect they will.

But honestly, you've admitted in another thread to having homosexual sex, thus there is no hope for you. You're asking me for my honest opinion, so I'll give it, you're going to hell, period.

Um, what's Calvanist? This is a serious question.



Click Here for the 5 Points Explained! (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/sound/ghfsermons/OSBH19870913.mp3)


That sermon on it is one of the best 30 minute explanations on Calvinism is general, it touches of the 5 Points. Good stuff.

Could you please answer my question now.

Why should this actually matter to us?

They're headed to hell, unless it's predestinated for them to accept Calvinism before they die. If they're Elect they will.

But honestly, you've admitted in another thread to having homosexual sex, thus there is no hope for you. You're asking me for my honest opinion, so I'll give it, you're going to hell, period.

It sounds to me like you are worshiping a false idol. You realize that, according to the bible, Jesus is the messiah and is part of the trinity. This sociopathic Calvin fellow does not enter into the equation.

I am positive that, if there is a God, he will see the lack of mercy that you have, and return the favor.

My children will be 100% white as I will only marry a white woman, and my children will be Calvinists or at the very least conform to Calvinist morality and remain chaste until marriage, and they will be heterosexuals, and they will only ever date whites that I approve.

So...you're a racist? And don't even start with that "pride" bullshit (which is a sin anyway). But I'm curious. What if you, for example, marry a woman who appears to be "white." Then, after marrying her, you find out that she is in small fraction [insert non-white thnic group]. Although I'd assume that you would ask her such a question before you would marry her (a ridiculous notion in itself) what would you do?


If they want to do otherwise, they can stop living in my house and go live in the street.

Way to forgive and to not show hatred and anger.

As I've said before, you always have to love your kids, but you don't have to support what they do when you think they're wrong. If they won't adhere and conform to what they're told to do, then you don't have to support them. (Indeed the bible gives a father the authority to have his son stoned to death for disrespect, so any boy of mine will be lucky I don't think that's the right thing to do, and I settle for just some sort of "time-out" style punishment for minor things, or for major things, banishment out into the streets until such a time as they've reformed)

Yeah, and all that stuff about stoning your son to death is (I believe) in the Old Testament. That same book also mentions how we should burn a bull, for it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord. Burned any lately? If not, go to hell. Literally.

They're headed to hell, unless it's predestinated for them to accept Calvinism before they die. If they're Elect they will.

But honestly, you've admitted in another thread to having homosexual sex, thus there is no hope for you. You're asking me for my honest opinion, so I'll give it, you're going to hell, period.
Will I burn forever in the eternal flames of hell?

Just curious.
I mean if you are the one giving out fates.

Um, what's Calvanist? This is a serious question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism

Could you please answer my question now.

Why should this actually matter to us?


It may matter to some. I realize it, sadly, doesn't matter to most, but I've never been concerned with following what the masses do. I believe the masses are basically predestinated to eternal hellfire and brimstone. So then why should I care about the masses social trends and fashions?

*snip*.

VoteEarly goes way beyond racist. If you don't fit the four categories that he listed at the top of this thread, he hates you for no reason at all.

They're headed to hell, unless it's predestinated for them to accept Calvinism before they die. If they're Elect they will.

But honestly, you've admitted in another thread to having homosexual sex, thus there is no hope for you. You're asking me for my honest opinion, so I'll give it, you're going to hell, period.

So Calvinism believes that God is a giant dick who won't let people repent for their sins?

Will I burn forever in the eternal flames of hell?

Just curious.
I mean if you are the one giving out fates.


I don't know, do you accept the 5 points? Have you realized your Election?

People fall into 3 categories.


1) Elect who have realized their Election (aware they're going to be in heaven, these folks have accepted the 5 Points)

2) Elect who have yet to realize their Election but are predestinated to at a given time before they die.

3) Reprobate- Predestinated since before their birth, to be doomed into hell.

So Calvinism believes that God is a giant dick who won't let people repent for their sins?
I had the Best mental picture...

I had the Best mental picture...

That's awesome, in a sick kind of way. :) Check your TGs, again. :)

I had the Best mental picture...
Well you're DEFINITELY going to hell! :D

VoteEarly goes way beyond racist. If you don't fit the four categories that he listed at the top of this thread, he hates you for no reason at all.

Ah, I see.

In that case, I ask him this: What ever happened to "All are are equal in the eyes of God" (or something to that effect)?

I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't hate all who were different than himself. Jesus, by the way, wasn't white. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Calvinist either. Though...I could be wrong ;)

I don't know, do you accept the 5 points? Have you realized your Election?

People fall into 3 categories.


1) Elect who have realized their Election (aware they're going to be in heaven, these folks have accepted the 5 Points)

2) Elect who have yet to realize their Election but are predestinated to at a given time before they die.

3) Reprobate- Predestinated since before their birth, to be doomed into hell. HAH! SNORT HAH!

I'm agnostic at best! Buddhist on a good day... Sure I respect religion... but... I guess I'm meant for hell.

So...you're a racist? And don't even start with that "pride" bullshit (which is a sin anyway). But I'm curious. What if you, for example, marry a woman who appears to be "white." Then, after marrying her, you find out that she is in small fraction [insert non-white thnic group]. Although I'd assume that you would ask her such a question before you would marry her (a ridiculous notion in itself) what would you do?

Way to forgive and to not show hatred and anger.

Yeah, and all that stuff about stoning your son to death is (I believe) in the Old Testament. That same book also mentions how we should burn a bull, for it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord. Burned any lately? If not, go to hell. Literally.

The bible is clear on what acceptable racial levels are, a bastard is defined as to the "Tenth generation" and "A bastard shall not enter into the house of God." Thus I suppose there is a few % acceptable level. Somebody 98% white is probably white, but I'd have to refer back to the exact passages and think on it.

Most people tend to say, if they look white, think white, and act white, they're white. And trust me, anybody that's not at least 90% white, will NOT look white. I can pick out somebody who is 1/10th non-white.


And here about the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

It may matter to some. I realize it, sadly, doesn't matter to most, but I've never been concerned with following what the masses do. I believe the masses are basically predestinated to eternal hellfire and brimstone. So then why should I care about the masses social trends and fashions?

Sorry, I dont believe in that hellfire and brimstone crap.

I was you, I am you and I will become you. When I die I will not exist any less than I do now.

I can pick out somebody who is 1/10th non-white.
Great talent. Real useful.
Is that what you do when you aren't stroking your guns? :rolleyes:

Ah, I see.

In that case, I ask him this: What ever happened to "All are are equal in the eyes of God" (or something to that effect)?

I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't hate all who were different than himself. Jesus, by the way, wasn't white. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Calvinist either. Though...I could be wrong ;)


Here, you might benefit from these links. (Because you are wrong)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:6;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%204:1-5;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%205:15-21;&version=9;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=1%20john%205:20&version=31

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=john%2017:3&version=31

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%209:10-16;&version=9;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=1%20timothy%204:1-2&version=31

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=matthew%2020:28&version=31



Oh, and we had a nice debate throughout this thread about what passages mean what.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=400212&page=1&pp=15

Well you're DEFINITELY going to hell! :D
OH NO! ...oh, wait... Sarcasm is hard to translate online.

So Calvinism believes that God is a giant dick who won't let people repent for their sins?


Only the Elect will be allowed to repent and they will for that is how it is predestinated.


The rest are blinded to the truth.

Ah, I see.

In that case, I ask him this: What ever happened to "All are are equal in the eyes of God" (or something to that effect)?

I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't hate all who were different than himself. Jesus, by the way, wasn't white. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Calvinist either. Though...I could be wrong ;)

I'm pretty sure the teachings of Jesus went out the window for VoteEarly along time ago. The whole "Love thy neighbor" thing was too much for him.

At least I can take solace in the fact that even if there is a Christian God, VoteEarly is going to hell with me.

The bible is clear on what acceptable racial levels are, a bastard is defined as to the "Tenth generation" and "A bastard shall not enter into the house of God." Thus I suppose there is a few % acceptable level. Somebody 98% white is probably white, but I'd have to refer back to the exact passages and think on it.

Most people tend to say, if they look white, think white, and act white, they're white. And trust me, anybody that's not at least 90% white, will NOT look white. I can pick out somebody who is 1/10th non-white.


Freaking WOW.

Good to know your white-dar is in good shape.

Romans 9:10-16

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Only the Elect will be allowed to repent and they will for that is how it is predestinated.


The rest are blinded to the truth.

Hmm...well my religion, the religion that is the only true religion of God, Roman Catholicism, says that anyone can be baptised a Catholic and anyone can repent their sins before death and therefore anyone can get into heaven. We don't have this arrogant, "We're better than you because of some self-created belief that we've been chosen by God based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever," attitude about us.

VoteEarly: You do know that everyone is laughing at you, right?

Hmm...well my religion, the religion that is the only true religion of God, Roman Catholicism, says that anyone can be baptised a Catholic and anyone can repent their sins before death and therefore anyone can get into heaven. We don't have this arrogant, "We're better than you because of some self-created belief that we've been chosen by God based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever," attitude about us.



Here, passages from something the "Gospel" maybe you've heard of it...


Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

2 John 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.

Only the Elect will be allowed to repent and they will for that is how it is predestinated.


The rest are blinded to the truth.
I don't mind being blinded by the truth... It's better than being an arrogant bigot.

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Strange...I didn't see the word "Calvinism" in there.

Hmm...well my religion, the religion that is the only true religion of God, Roman Catholicism, says that anyone can be baptised a Catholic and anyone can repent their sins before death and therefore anyone can get into heaven. We don't have this arrogant, "We're better than you because of some self-created belief that we've been chosen by God based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever," attitude about us.

But we Catholics worship idols and practice pharisaism, didn't you know? Sorry, Matt. We're still going to hell. ;)

But we Catholics worship idols and practice pharisaism, didn't you know? Sorry, Matt. We're still going to hell. ;)

I'm named after three Saints. Think I'm going to extra-strength hell?

Click Here for the 5 Points Explained! (http://www.godhatesamerica.com/sound/ghfsermons/OSBH19870913.mp3)


That sermon on it is one of the best 30 minute explanations on Calvinism is general, it touches of the 5 Points. Good stuff.


30 minutes to discover the basis of your entire religion (evidently an intolerant and biases one)... enough said.

VoteEarly: You do know that everyone is laughing at you, right?


I know that God has predestinated that His Elect will be allowed to, for all eternity, mock and laugh at the reprobate as they burn in hell. So people can laugh at me, spit on me, throw things at me, beat me (and they have), they can even kill me (I'm sure one day they will). But in the end, they shall be left with nothing other than my body, as my soul will be in heaven with God, and for eternity I shall be allowed to mock and laugh them as they burn in hell.


As God mocks them now and will for eternity, we Elect shall also get to mock them for eternity.


Proverbs 1:24-28 (King James Version)

24Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

I couldn't really care less what race or religion you are. If you are a Nazi, you are my enemy. Full stop. [Period]

I'm named after three Saints. Think I'm going to extra-strength hell?
When I was a baby a woman in a trance at a Hindu temple said that I had the Goddess Saraswati inme... Imagine where I'm going? :p

Strange...I didn't see the word "Calvinism" in there.


Calvinism is the Doctrine of Grace. Salvation by Grace, and faith is a gift of that Grace. Faith is a Gift from God to His Elect. Only the Elect will have Faith and keep true to the word.


Obviously since the prophet John Calvin wasn't alive at the time the bible was written, his name couldn't be in there.

When I was a baby a woman in a trance at a Hindu temple said that I was an incarnation of the Goddess Saraswati... Imagine where I'm going? :p

You might as well go on a killing spree now. Obviously there's no hope for you; you might as well earn your trip to hell.

So people can laugh at me, spit on me, throw things at me, beat me (and they have), they can even kill me (I'm sure one day they will).
:

Is that an offer?

I know that God has predestinated that His Elect will be allowed to, for all eternity, mock and laugh at the reprobate as they burn in hell. So people can laugh at me, spit on me, throw things at me, beat me (and they have), they can even kill me (I'm sure one day they will). But in the end, they shall be left with nothing other than my body, as my soul will be in heaven with God, and for eternity I shall be allowed to mock and laugh them as they burn in hell.


As God mocks them now and will for eternity, we Elect shall also get to mock them for eternity.


Proverbs 1:24-28 (King James Version)

24Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
Your religion is frightening... although I'm fairly sure it's more your conception of your religion than your religion. Creeper.

I'm named after three Saints. Think I'm going to extra-strength hell?

I don't think Canon Law says anything about that, so no. Have you committed an offense against the Mother Church lately? That might get you extra-strength hell. :D

Actually no, I've talked to women who are basically me except they're female, and they won't date anybody who isn't basically a male version of themselves. It's just my damn awful luck they're all in other countries or a half dozen states away from mine.

This is good news. No, really it is. I've been wondering how many people out there are that think the same way as VE. Given the assumption that they are evenly spread, this means there can't be more than about 20 such women in the US. At a wild guess, I'd say that the US has about a third of the "white" population worldwide, so we're only looking at 60 globally, at least in his age group.

That's actually kind of comforting.

Calvinism is the Doctrine of Grace. Salvation by Grace, and faith is a gift of that Grace. Faith is a Gift from God to His Elect. Only the Elect will have Faith and keep true to the word.


Obviously since the prophet John Calvin wasn't alive at the time the bible was written, his name couldn't be in there.

Who says Calvinism is anything but the egotistical beliefs of a self-important man? Why is your particular brand of Christianity any more legitimate than mine?

Your religion is frightening... although I'm fairly sure it's more your conception of your religion than your religion. Creeper.

Actually his take on Calvinism is not a corruption of the concept by any means. Calvinism is just that scary.

I don't think Canon Law says anything about that, so no. Have you committed an offense against the Mother Church lately? That might get you extra-strength hell. :D

Uh oh, Mother Church? Is that another false idol?

You might as well go on a killing spree now. Obviously there's no hope for you; you might as well earn your trip to hell.
Brilliant.

I think it would be cool if for once you would actually respond to the parts of the Bible describing what Christ expects of his followers rather than just quoting a bunch of stuff at random. What you are doing is called 'stitching' which a lot of faiths, Calvinism included, do in order to prove what they would prefer to be true from the Bible as opposed to what it actually says.

Jesus Christ states that the commandments come down to these two things: Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy soul and all thy mind; and love thy neighbor as thyself.
He commands that his followers should teach the Gospel to all nations.
He says that whoever is angry with his brother is in danger of judgement.
He says: why regard you the mote in your brother's eye and have no regard for the beam which is in your own?
He says: but I say unto you, love your enemies.

I'm sorry, but I find Calvinism to be a false religion by Christian terms. I find it arrogant, cold and dismissive of most people. All Calvnists I've met smugly sit there thinking about how they will go to Heaven and others will go to Hell. So don't be surprised if people are hostile to your point of view.

Uh oh, Mother Church? Is that another false idol?

The Whore of Babylon, actually. Simply another sign that we Catholics will go to hell. ;)

Brilliant.

Honestly, though. If I'm doomed to hell no matter what, VoteEarly and John Calvin aren't really giving me much incentive to NOT murder pillage rape and plunder to my heart's content.

Originally Posted by Sdaeriji
You might as well go on a killing spree now. Obviously there's no hope for you; you might as well earn your trip to hell.
Yay! *sharpens knives*
Ooh, and do I get to have lots of sex too? :D

Actually his take on Calvinism is not a corruption of the concept by any means. Calvinism is just that scary.
Wow... My naive mind is blown.

Who says Calvinism is anything but the egotistical beliefs of a self-important man? Why is your particular brand of Christianity any more legitimate than mine?

There is nothing that says that. He only validates his beliefs through your reactions.

I absolutely despise VoteEarly, but I am going to force myself to ignore him.

This is good news. No, really it is. I've been wondering how many people out there are that think the same way as VE. Given the assumption that they are evenly spread, this means there can't be more than about 20 such women in the US. At a wild guess, I'd say that the US has about a third of the "white" population worldwide, so we're only looking at 60 globally, at least in his age group.

That's actually kind of comforting.


Actually the USA only has about 1/4 of the white population. Besides, there are many Elect out there who have yet to realize it. Anyway, lots of Southern Baptist churches are "covertly Calvinist" they teach all the 5 Points, they just don't label it "Calvinism".

There is nothing that says that. He only validates his beliefs through your reactions.

I absolutely despise VoteEarly, but I am going to force myself to ignore him.

Well, yeah, I know he's a troll. I just like to engage my mind like this.

Honestly, though. If I'm doomed to hell no matter what, VoteEarly and John Calvin aren't really giving me much incentive to NOT murder pillage rape and plunder to my heart's content.
I agree. Most of us might as well get started.

Who says Calvinism is anything but the egotistical beliefs of a self-important man? Why is your particular brand of Christianity any more legitimate than mine?



Because 1 (Calvinism) is ordained and sanctioned by Christ, the other (Catholicism) is a church of demons and idolatry, inventing things such as Purgatory, to tell to people to make them feel better about the fact they're hellbound sinners, giving them the hope of a "half-hell" place.

Yay! *sharpens knives*
Ooh, and do I get to have lots of sex too? :D

Might as well. There's no reason not to; you're damned either way.

but I am going to force myself to ignore him.


Then you can start by staying out of my threads, seems like for somebody wanting to ignore me, you sure aren't trying hard.

Well, yeah, I know he's a troll. I just like to engage my mind like this.

I don't understand how your mind could be engaged.

Because 1 (Calvinism) is ordained and sanctioned by Christ, the other (Catholicism) is a church of demons and idolatry, inventing things such as Purgatory, to tell to people to make them feel better about the fact they're hellbound sinners, giving them the hope of a "half-hell" place.

Who told you that Calvinism was ordained and sanctioned by Christ? And the guy who made the religion up is NOT a credible source.

Because 1 (Calvinism) is ordained and sanctioned by Christ
Jesus told you, did he?

Oh wait, you think he did...

I don't understand how your mind could be engaged.

I'm stoned. Arguing with him in this current state is actually engaging.

Ach, this is ridiculous. Just about every bible passage you've posted thus far has only loosely (if at all) tied in with the point you tried to make. I still can't even fathom how every person in history before the birth of Calvinism has gone to hell. I mean, on a larger note, I'm a Christian, and after reading all these posts by people like Vote Early, Servus Dei, and Commando2, I'm simply blown away.

I mean, I'm a Christian...and as far as I'm concerned, if you're a good person (whatever that may mean) you'll enter heaven. It never really seemed fair to me that someone who lives in a remote corner of the world, who does not know of God or Jesus, will go to hell just because they didn't believe. I believe it is people like those mentioned above who corrupt Christianity by claiming that they're particular view of it is "right" or the "correct" way. I accept that my particular views might be somewhat wrong, which is why I don't claim them to be the "correct" view on Christianity.

Oh, and just to be a troll for a moment, I'm black (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/LordGorlock/Garden%20State%20Plaza%20-%20February%202005/DCP_6108.jpg) . Is that a problem, Vote Early?

Then you can start by staying out of my threads, seems like for somebody wanting to ignore me, you sure aren't trying hard.
Your thread? You can't own a thread, man. It belongs to the one you call "God".

Who asked you to come into *my* thread and call me immoral?

I'm stoned. Arguing with him in this current state is actually engaging.

Good point, I'll be back.

I'm stoned. Arguing with him in this current state is actually engaging.
Share please? I need some drugs to enjoy this. :p :D

Honestly, though. If I'm doomed to hell no matter what, VoteEarly and John Calvin aren't really giving me much incentive to NOT murder pillage rape and plunder to my heart's content.


There is nothing keeping you, if God has predestinated you to do it. God is the author of all things, sin and good. Think of it this way, God is the author of Earth, the Earth is just His script, nothing happens He doesn't want to happen.

If you want to go out and commit evil, it's because God predestinated that, and I would then say God predestinated me to want to stop it, and I would attempt to. Since God predestinates us to do things, and thus we do them. Simple enough, eh?

Share please? I need some drugs to enjoy this. :p :D


I'm getting very disgusted with you trolling my threads with unrelated crap, I will be reporting you to the mods if you don't stop, got it?

VoteEarly, you believe only the Elect will go to heaven, and can quote lots of Bible quotes to support that belief. I will not argue with you on that (here and for now at least).

But I do wonder.. how do you know *you*, or any other Calvinist for that matter, are one of these Elect ? Due to the "Perseverance of the Saints" pillar ? This is a genuine question.

EDIT: nevermind, I see someone else already asked this. The speed at which this topic grows at least suggests some care ;)

Oh, and just to be a troll for a moment, I'm black . Is that a problem, Vote Early?
Hehe. Well I AM actually South Asian, and I think VE just loves me for it! :fluffle:
And he finds me disgusting apparently. *cries in corner*

There is nothing keeping you, if God has predestinated you to do it. God is the author of all things, sin and good. Think of it this way, God is the author of Earth, the Earth is just His script, nothing happens He doesn't want to happen.

If you want to go out and commit evil, it's because God predestinated that, and I would then say God predestinated me to want to stop it, and I would attempt to. Since God predestinates us to do things, and thus we do them. Simple enough, eh?

So you believe that man has no free will and self-determination whatsoever? So God already knows what I'm going to say next?

Try and see if you can get him to tell you what I type next. See how close you get.

There is nothing keeping you, if God has predestinated you to do it. God is the author of all things, sin and good. Think of it this way, God is the author of Earth, the Earth is just His script, nothing happens He doesn't want to happen.

If you want to go out and commit evil, it's because God predestinated that, and I would then say God predestinated me to want to stop it, and I would attempt to. Since God predestinates us to do things, and thus we do them. Simple enough, eh?
If "God" predestined people to go to heaven, why did "he" chose you?

I'm getting very disgusted with you trolling my threads with unrelated crap, I will be reporting you to the mods if you don't stop, got it?

Threatening people with moderator action is generally considered bad form, and is frowned upon. Just thought you should know.

Ach, this is ridiculous. Just about every bible passage you've posted thus far has only loosely (if at all) tied in with the point you tried to make. I still can't even fathom how every person in history before the birth of Calvinism has gone to hell. I mean, on a larger note, I'm a Christian, and after reading all these posts by people like Vote Early, Servus Dei, and Commando2, I'm simply blown away.



Oh, and just to be a troll for a moment, I'm black (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/LordGorlock/Garden%20State%20Plaza%20-%20February%202005/DCP_6108.jpg) . Is that a problem, Vote Early?



Calvinism has existed before it became known as Calvinism. The "Doctrine of Grace" and Election, etc, was around ever since God predestinated it. There have always been Elect, even well before Calvin.

If "God" predestined people to go to heaven, why did "he" chose you?


Because it pleased Him to do so. I am not going to question His will. Election is absolutely 100% arbitrary. God picks some men because He wants to, and other men He damns to hell because He wants to. That is Election.

I'm getting very disgusted with you trolling my threads with unrelated crap, I will be reporting you to the mods if you don't stop, got it?

Ooh. Thread drift in General. Now there's a concept that the moderators will be cracking down on any second now.

I have to say...John Calvin would be very proud of this young man's dedication to his faith in the face of the corruption and sin of today's immoral society.

Because it pleased Him to do so. I am not going to question His will. Election is absolutely 100% arbitrary. God picks some men because He wants to, and other men He damns to hell because He wants to. That is Election.
You are actually making me want to go have sex with my girl friends.

You are actually making me want to go have sex with my girl friends.

Hey, something good has come out of VoteEarly's rantings!

Hey, something good has come out of VoteEarly's rantings!
And I'll take plenty of pictures.

Originally Posted by Pencil 17
You are actually making me want to go have sex with my girl friends.
You disgust me.





*shifty* :p

Hey, something good has come out of VoteEarly's rantings!

This time I suspect she'd make sure the camera was turned off beforehand though. :)

EDIT: Or not. :) :)

I have to say...John Calvin would be very proud of this young man's dedication to his faith in the face of the corruption and sin of today's immoral society.


Yes, and the scripture is quite clear, the majority of folks who claim to be "Christians" will in the later times, abandon the faith and obey lying demons. Because they are blinded to the truth, they are not of the Elect and thus will never even be able to see the truth and realize their Election because they have no Election.

It's quite clear, the Elect will be persecuted to the ends of the Earth.


And it's not Calvin's faith, it belongs to Christ.

Remember, Matthew 18:7 "Woe unto the world because of offenses."

(The message of Christ is one of Woe unto the world, because of offenses. Folks don't want to see that though, they believe He loves all and will save all. Wrong! "Woe unto the world!" The wretched, rotten, cursed, sinful, world, woe! Not "Love unto the world" "WOE!" The message of Christ is Woe! Woe to the Reprobate, and one of comfort to the Elect. For all the Reprobate who persecute the Elect, will be brought to account for it by Christ)

This time I suspect she'd make sure the camera was turned off beforehand though. :)

EDIT: Or not. :) :)
I'd make sure it was the latter

And I'll take plenty of pictures.

Wow. I never thought VoteEarly's words could make anything good happen, but then I get proven wrong.

TGs, check 'em.

VoteEarly, could you please give your opinion of non-whites? Can non-whites be Calvinists?

And it's not Calvin's faith, it belongs to Christ.

Whose name does it have on it?

VoteEarly, could you please give your opinion of non-whites? Can non-whites be Calvinists?


You'd have to ask God, only He would know for sure. I'll get back to you later after I go through the bible. TG me in a while and I'll see what my search turns up.

You dodged my other question. What is your opinion of non-white people?

Because it pleased Him to do so. I am not going to question His will. Election is absolutely 100% arbitrary. God picks some men because He wants to, and other men He damns to hell because He wants to. That is Election.

Oh, so in the utterly permanent decision of our fates for all of eternity until existance itself ceases to be, we don't matter? Wow, my views of all the world, like the fact that I am the one choosing to type this, are clearly wrong!
And isn't it so convenient to just be able to say "I won't question..." when you
don't wanna say "I am full of..." Oh, and in case your planning on contacting Moderators, I am not to blame according to you, God is, so go tell on God if you want, just leave us no-free-will condemded beings to do things we have absolutely no choice in.

You'd have to ask God, only He would know for sure. I'll get back to you later after I go through the bible. TG me in a while and I'll see what my search turns up.

Could you not simply tell us based on your observation of the Book of Nature?

From a purely sociological viewpoint, most people marry somebody from a virtually identical socio-economic, racial, and religious background, so whether or not folks admit it, it all matters.



Well, since it "matters", I'd like to say I'm a White, atheist, heterosexual, left-wing male, and I couldn't give a damn what ethnic and religious background the woman I marry will be. Strangely, I have this concept that it is love that matters, not skin colour. :) If I marry a White atheist like myself, so be. If I marry an Oriental Christian or a Black Muslim woman, that's just as fine by me. Ethnicity makes not the slightest difference to me. As for religion and political beliefs, as long as she's not an extremist with views radically opposed to my own, she can be mildly right-wing and a tolerant believer of any religion, and I'll still love her just fine.

And if I have children, I'll love them no matter what their ethnicity, religious beliefs or political and sexual orientation.

There are still some people in this world capable of open-minded love. :)

Whose name does it have on it?


Calvinism and Christianity are as terms go, interchangeable, since you can't be one without being the other.

Calvinism and Christianity are as terms go, interchangeable, since you can't be one without being the other.

That's not true, though. You can be a Christian without being a Calvinist.

Oh, so in the utterly permanent decision of our fates for all of eternity until existance itself ceases to be, we don't matter? Wow, my views of all the world, like the fact that I am the one choosing to type this, are clearly wrong!
And isn't it so convenient to just be able to say "I won't question..." when you
don't wanna say "I am full of..." Oh, and in case your planning on contacting Moderators, I am not to blame according to you, God is, so go tell on God if you want, just leave us no-free-will condemded beings to do things we have absolutely no choice in.


How could man's existence matter? We only exist because it pleases God that we are here. We are totally subject to His will and we are only even here because He willed it.

And I'll take plenty of pictures.

Oohooh! Where are they??? I volunteer to take VE's share.