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Is it just me or does this sound ominously like George Bush?

My comments will appear in bold.


Daniel 11:36-45 (New International Version)

36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. He disregards what most of the country and the world want. Although that is not inherently a bad thing, the reasoning he gives is bad. Waging a war of aggression.

37 He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. If you believe he is indeed Skull and Bones (As he himself admitted) but said, "It's so secret we can't talk about it." and he is also a Bohemian Grove member, then you must accept he worships Molech and a whole host of other false gods.

38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He seems to have a great amount of wealth, and prefers power and wealth over Christian piety.


39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. He is waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now they talk about invading Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Norea Korea is indeed a mighty fortress. The old saying about Prussia, "Not a state with an army but an army with a state." comes to mind about North Korea. Also, he distributes the wealth of Iraq to his cohorts in big business and to Ariel Sharon's friends.

40 "At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He has already invaded two countries and has plans to invade more. Must more be said?

41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. Depends what you consider the "Beautiful Land", perhaps it means Mesopotamia (Iraq)? But this is really open to a lot of interpretation depending how you look at it.

42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape.What if Islamic hardliners take power in Egypt and thus a new possibility of an anti-Israeli coalition with Syria+Egypt+Iran is formed. Bush would have to add Egypt to his hit-list, and thus "Egypt will not escape."

43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. He is plundering the wealth of the Middle East and will likely continue to do so. His father's friend Ronald Reagan hit Libya hard, and these trends will likely continue.

44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. East=Russia or China? Just a thought, but perhaps there will be a war with China and Russia. As for the North, I don't think it means Canada, I think it means in reference to where the US Army is currently stationed in relation to something else. We are in the "South" in Korea, and so reports from the "North" (North Korea) will alarm him.

45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.Indeed he has already started to lose his base of support amongst many people, and in the end, who will support a maniac with dreams of a New World Order? Who will die to help establish a NWO, once they realize the reason they're fighting, who will fight? Sell the war as patriotism and American's buy it, but once they realize the truth, who will still support him then?

I have to agree with you in this one, VE.
The US is the home of the anti-Christ.

Please. People like you, who whine over the plight of terrorists but call Dubya the anti-Christ are ridiculous. At worst, he's a mediocre President.

Israel used us to do their dirty work in Iraq.

Please. People like you, who whine over the plight of terrorists but call Dubya the anti-Christ are ridiculous. At worst, he's a mediocre President.


Terrorists are just NWO pawns being used to attack us so Bush can justify taking away our rights.

The same thing happened with the OKC bombing, it was an operation pulled off by the Iraqi Republican Guard (John Doe #2 who left the truck after McVeigh, was described as an Arabic man) and they arrested 12+ members of the Iraqi Republican Guard intelligence agency, trying to leave the USA, within 1 week after the bombing. The RG and the ATF worked together and McVeigh was a patsy.

You don't get it, politicians want one thing, power, and they're not going to shy from using terror to scare us into giving up our rights in hopes they'll make us safe from the "foreign terror" or "domestic terror" but in reality, it's "government sponsored terror" and not as in the gov't of Iran or Syria, our own gov't!

Hitler's nazis burned their own freakin' Reichstag to scare people into thinking "Subversives" were everywhere and it was a good idea to give up rights for security.

I don't know about anti-christ, especially not being christian. However, I am really not a happy camper with him as our leader. I don't trust him. I think he is a war mongering fool. I can only hope that soon the congress recognizes this and impeaches his butt, assuming they have any power to do so left after the various powers he's been granted since 9/11.

I am happy to say I never voted for him. I am sad to say that most of my relatives did. Fortunately blindness to the truth isn't hereditary.

Israel used us to do their dirty work in Iraq.
Those Jews are pretty smart, eh?

The prophecy that you listed has already been fulfilled. It was talking about the wars between two of the kingdoms left from Alexander the Great's empire, run by the Ptolomies and the Selucides (sp?). You'll find it in the history books about 200 BC.

Those Jews are pretty smart, eh?
Yes, the Jews are responsible for great scientific and cultural achievements vastly out of proportion to their small population.

For once I actually agree with you :eek: to a point.

While Bush may or may not be the Antichrist (there have been plenty of evil people in history but none of them so far has managed to rule the entire world), it is very clear to me, and apparently both of us, that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Unfortunately, he has deceived many. Including some of my Christian friends, even though I tried to warn them.

The prophecy that you listed has already been fulfilled. It was talking about the wars between two of the kingdoms left from Alexander the Great's empire, run by the Ptolomies and the Selucides (sp?). You'll find it in the history books about 200 BC.

Thank you, Was going to post something simular to this.

Sounds like the poster took some time to write this long essay on why Bush is the anti-Christ. I think you really need to take a hard look at what you wrote. If you really think this is true. Then you probably need to see a doctor. Because if your serious you need help.

Thank you, Was going to post something simular to this.

Sounds like the poster took some time to write this long essay on why Bush is the anti-Christ. I think you really need to take a hard look at what you wrote. If you really think this is true. Then you probably need to see a doctor. Because if your serious you need help.



I still think it sounds awfully similar to Bush.

I just thought I'd mention that he was born July 6, 1946. It doesn't have 3 6s in a row, but I think think the 6 letters in George compensates.

You are dead wrong, these scriptures do not apply to George Bush. Maybe you should start out by reading the gospels, then you might be able to read the old testament with a little more understanding. Or maybe you should get a study bible that explains some of these things. It's hard for a non christian to extract the true meaning from the old testament. I'm not saying your not christian, you may be but Im just saying that it helps to be led by the spirit.

Wonder if W's secret Bonesman name is Damian. :D

Anyhow, so what if he is? Anyone around here gonna do anything about it? Good luck to ya. Besides, wasn't the whole rapture thing supposed to happen before the antichrist came back? Did I miss it?

I have never liked George W. Bush so much.

Well...yes I do think George Bush is a really bad President, but lets be honest. If you looked hard enough for something in the bible you're sure to find something that can be interpreted in a way that would prove your point.

I just thought I'd mention that he was born July 6, 1946. It doesn't have 3 6s in a row, but I think think the 6 letters in George compensates.


... you... I can't even think of a word. If you don't like Bush, fine, but COME ON!!! His birth is apparently 7-6-46 and somehow you put this together with his name to get 666??? Let me apply this to myself. I am born on 9-22-88. Subtract 22 from 88, you get 66. If you turn the 9 upside down, you get 666, and my first name has six letters. If you look hard enough for something without regarding how rediculous it is, of course you'll find something.

Thoise Biblical verses are vague enough. They are pretty much a formula for almost any tyrannical, imperialist ruler.

A good question though..

How often did the Bible mention 'America'? Or where does it mention on America?

Because the book of Daniel talked about the armies from the north and South..Lol. Canada and Mexico invading us.. Omg.

Some may look at the bible quotes, and think of Bin Laden, especially the talking of exerting influence in Egypt, and talk of foreign gods (Allah as opposed to God, although my feeling is that if they exist, they are one and the same).

But yeah, I can see the Bush comparisons.

Some may look at the bible quotes, and think of Bin Laden, especially the talking of exerting influence in Egypt, and talk of foreign gods (Allah as opposed to God, although my feeling is that if they exist, they are one and the same).
Well Allah does just mean God, so yeah. :p
I always find it weird when people say things like, "If you believe in God, or Allah..."

The same could have been said about Hitler.. Which is a better comparison.

Plus the prophesy makes more sense if you consider the country of Isreal being the one subjugated by it's enemies.

Hence they thought that Danials prophecy was when the Romans conquered.. and/or Hitler who tortured the Jews.

The old testament wasn't written for Christians only you know. :p

those are some pretty specific quotes, they look as if their forged, also seeing as i cant find them on any website

the bible clearly says the antichrist will bring a banner of peace, and that everyone will ike him. so, if that is true, it is most definitely not GWB. it may be the next pope (my guess)

the bible clearly says the antichrist will bring a banner of peace, and that everyone will ike him. so, if that is true, it is most definitely not GWB. it may be the next pope (my guess)

In that case it was Princess Diana??? Thus making her son (william) the Child of Antichrist and heir to the brittish throne?? Justa theory!! :eek:

those are some pretty specific quotes, they look as if their forged, also seeing as i cant find them on any website


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=Daniel%2011:36-45%20&version=31

Well Allah does just mean God, so yeah. :p
I always find it weird when people say things like, "If you believe in God, or Allah..."

Yep, agreed. Thus me saying I believe Allah and God are one and the same. (If he/she/it exists)

the bible certainly does warn us. It warns us not to allow ultra leftist Marxist Hillary Clinton to be president. She is an unrepentant unreconstructed communist who wants to sell out our sovereignty to the corrupted United Nations. Under no circumstances should she be allowed to be president.

The minor anti Christ was defeated last year, his name is John Kerry.

Well Allah does just mean God, so yeah. :p
I always find it weird when people say things like, "If you believe in God, or Allah..."


Even the mainstream catholic studies professor at my college had to admit it when I brought it up. Allah is just a deity that Mohammed worshipped, and Mohammed made this deity the one god of the arabic people. Allah is not the God that Christians and Jews worship. Allah is a tribal pagan god, made into a one god.

Thus Islam is a monotheistic pagan religion.

the bible certainly does warn us. It warns us not to allow ultra leftist Marxist Hillary Clinton to be president. She is an unrepentant unreconstructed communist who wants to sell out our sovereignty to the corrupted United Nations. Under no circumstances should she be allowed to be president.

The minor anti Christ was defeated last year, his name is John Kerry.

ok.....keep taking the tablets!!!

Even the mainstream catholic studies professor at my college had to admit it when I brought it up. Allah is just a deity that Mohammed worshipped, and Mohammed made this deity the one god of the arabic people. Allah is not the God that Christians and Jews worship. Allah is a tribal pagan god, made into a one god.

Thus Islam is a monotheistic pagan religion.


I haven't read all the islamic history etc...however i'm pretty sure that this s wrong. The basics of Islam go through Abraham, Moses, Jesus to Mohammed. (Obviously the latter being almighty prophet or whatever).

Allah is the same as God!!!

ok.....keep taking the tablets!!!


you really didn't know she was a communist, didn't you? go read up on her student years...

Even the mainstream catholic studies professor at my college had to admit it when I brought it up. Allah is just a deity that Mohammed worshipped, and Mohammed made this deity the one god of the arabic people. Allah is not the God that Christians and Jews worship. Allah is a tribal pagan god, made into a one god.

Thus Islam is a monotheistic pagan religion.

Yup, I agree with what Stefanos about the premise of Islam, in terms of having the same prophets as Christianity, plus Mohamed. And of course Jesus being a prophet, not a messiah.

Besides which, I'm under the impression that Allah is the Aramaic word for God. So Jesus would have called God Allah. :cool:
The things you learn from Cat Stevens DVD's.

you really didn't know she was a communist, didn't you? go read up on her student years...

I think you should firstly go and read what "true" communism means and realise that it isn't the all encompassing evil that we/the west have been brain washed into believing over the last 40 to 50 years.

I'm not saying however its the answer it's just no worse than capitalism and next to capitalism doesn't deserve the label of the forces of evil.

Please. People like you, who whine over the plight of terrorists but call Dubya the anti-Christ are ridiculous. At worst, he's a mediocre President.
At best he is a mediocre president, at worst he is going to start WWIII

Well Allah does just mean God, so yeah. :p


Actually, ilah means "god". Allah is the name of the One True God(tm) and means "the only one to worship", otherwise, the shahadah, which states "la ilaha ill Allah" would translate "there is no god but god" and that's just silly.

"Allah" comes from "Elaw", the Aramaic name for the OTG, written in Torah, and is the name Abraham used to call upon the OTG. "YHWH" (commonly mispronounced Jehova) didn't appear until much later and the term "God" didn't show up until around 1100 CE.

Okie enough of that ... now to the topic at hand ...

*clears throat*

Who cares if the Bible warned about George Bush? Tens of millions of Democrats warned you too - in much more plain English - and you still elected the chump twice anyway. Deal with it.

Allah is the name of the One True God(tm)
Cool. was kinda on the right track, which is why I capitalised God. As in that specific one, not some random river sprite or something. :p

It cracks me up that Jehovah's Witnesses can't pronounce the name of their own religion...

Cool. was kinda on the right track, which is why I capitalised God. As in that specific one, not some random river sprite or something. :p


Nod ... we don't like to use "God" because "God" can have a "Goddess". Allah is singular and genderless.

Allah is singular and genderless.

Yay, you're not asserting the supreme being's maleness! I may be atheist-leaning agnostic, but that makes me feel a bit better about religion. :p

(For once doesn't care.)

Even if I felt biblical prophecy had any validity, I wouldn't compare Bush with the antichrist. I'm no bible expert, but the antichrist is supposed to take over the whole world except for 144000 people, right? Bush isn't even close. In roughly 4 years, he's invaded two fairly insignificant countries (no offence to any afghans or iraqis here, but let's face it, neither were exactly world powers).

At his current rate of invasion, and considering the stretching of the military power he controls (it's not just him by the way, there is actually a government as well), it would probably take Bush several human lifetimes to invade every country in the world.

Consider the problems had in Iraq, where much of the nation's military were untrained, poorly equipped conscripts. Now imagine launching an invasion on somewhere like China, which holds a quarter of the world's population, and where every teenager at some point attends a compulsory military service program. Or imagine an invasion of Russia, which contains about a fifth of all the land on the planet, much of which is inhospitible tundra. Think of all the massive military powers which have tried to occupy Russia and failed.

Neither of these example invasions is plausible at all, let alone a conquest of the entire world. It seems impossible to me that Bush alone, or even a long succession of war-loving presidents, could even consider world domination as a possibility.

Yay, you're not asserting the supreme being's maleness! I may be atheist-leaning agnostic, but that makes me feel a bit better about religion. :p

Well I always did find it silly to assign gender to that which is supposed to be a "Supreme Creator of All Things" etc etc. *shrug*

Even if I felt biblical prophecy had any validity, I wouldn't compare Bush with the antichrist. I'm no bible expert, but the antichrist is supposed to take over the whole world except for 144000 people, right? Bush isn't even close. In roughly 4 years, he's invaded two fairly insignificant countries (no offence to any afghans or iraqis here, but let's face it, neither were exactly world powers).

At his current rate of invasion, and considering the stretching of the military power he controls (it's not just him by the way, there is actually a government as well), it would probably take Bush several human lifetimes to invade every country in the world.

Consider the problems had in Iraq, where much of the nation's military were untrained, poorly equipped conscripts. Now imagine launching an invasion on somewhere like China, which holds a quarter of the world's population, and where every teenager at some point attends a compulsory military service program. Or imagine an invasion of Russia, which contains about a fifth of all the land on the planet, much of which is inhospitible tundra. Think of all the massive military powers which have tried to occupy Russia and failed.

Neither of these example invasions is plausible at all, let alone a conquest of the entire world. It seems impossible to me that Bush alone, or even a long succession of war-loving presidents, could even consider world domination as a possibility.

Actually there are multiple Anti-Christs. Most should AntiChrist will be likeable because the Devil is handsome.
And no the antichrist is not going to take over world except that would be the Devil.
The Anti-Christ furthers the Devil's plans but they are not the same.


Even the mainstream catholic studies professor at my college had to admit it when I brought it up. Allah is just a deity that Mohammed worshipped, and Mohammed made this deity the one god of the arabic people. Allah is not the God that Christians and Jews worship. Allah is a tribal pagan god, made into a one god.

Thus Islam is a monotheistic pagan religion.

Not true, it is a Plural-theistic Pagan religion.
Muhammed killed off or converted all the followers to stop following the other gods. He said he got the vision/revelation from Allah.(Allah was the Main God in the faith, he didn't interact with the people. The other gods did interact.)

And in a way yeah it is not exactly the same god. But Muhammed made it the same god after he converted the people.

So the Question is can you change a god's origin from Pagan to the god of Abraham without the jews permission?

some commentators would point to the mcdonalds-isation of the world of being the subversive take over.....and lets face it we are all following this lead...How manay people can say they haven't eat in McD's? Bought Levi's? Bought Nike? Where these companies thrive by exploiting our fellow brothers in Asia/Africa....The exploit through pushing the most addictive and destructive drug known to man.....there is not one person in the world that doesn't consume it and at dangerous levels.

We, brothers & sisters, are already under the anti-christs spell....The only people at the moment that are anywhere near safe are people in the high andes (slowly changing), remote parts of Africa and a few other villahes here and there....Which could add up to what around 140 thousand people???

Now I don't know what I believe in god wise, I certainly and highly sceptical of the Bible when you consider that Mary Magdelene was written out for reasons nothing short of un-pure...but it does kinda fit...

Not true, it is a Plural-theistic Pagan religion.
Muhammed killed off or converted all the followers to stop following the other gods. He said he got the vision/revelation from Allah.(Allah was the Main God in the faith, he didn't interact with the people. The other gods did interact.)

And in a way yeah it is not exactly the same god. But Muhammed made it the same god after he converted the people.

So the Question is can you change a god's origin from Pagan to the god of Abraham without the jews permission?

Wow ... that has to be the singularly most ignorant thing I have ever read. Do you actually have non-Jack Chick proof of this, or are you being sarcastic?

I've actually heard that aspects of Allah were taken from previous pantheistic beliefs in the area. The same with Christianity taking from neighboring religions and myths.

I've actually heard that aspects of Allah were taken from previous pantheistic beliefs in the area. The same with Christianity taking from neighboring religions and myths.

I have heard this as well. The main reason for a Monotheistic religion is that it's easier for the state to control one church that prays to one god/beliefs etc...

Just look around now to see how true that is.

Wow ... that has to be the singularly most ignorant thing I have ever read. Do you actually have non-Jack Chick proof of this, or are you being sarcastic?
Taken from the Book: World Religions Today, my College Class textbook.
I'm not ignorant because you have to not have knowledge to be ignorant.
I don't know who Jack Chick is but whatever.
Am my post is actually very factual.

Taken from the Book: World Religions Today, my College Class textbook.
I'm not ignorant because you have to not have knowledge to be ignorant.
I don't know who Jack Chick is but whatever.
Am my post is actually very factual.

Okie dokie, skipper. Whatever you say. Let's just ignore the fact that Abraham called God "Allah" (Elaw) and let's also ignore the fact that the Qur'an expressly forbids spreading Islam by the sword. Since your textbook says it's true, it must be so.

Hey ... I have a college textbook that says masturbation leads to rape. That must be true too! :rolleyes:

The real world is a nice place. Come join us.

Gee, Keruv, you know if it's written in a book it must be true. :p

I think all religions take something of the beliefs that were there before. But I've always been told that the Koran forbade conversion by force. Wish some people paid more attention to their holy books. Most religions teach essentially the same values. People should just get over it and leave the heathens alone. There are more similiarities between most religions than differences. :headbang:

I think all religions take something of the beliefs that were there before.

Yes. Islam makes no pretense about being an extension of Judaism.

But I've always been told that the Koran forbade conversion by force. Wish some people paid more attention to their holy books.

Well, thing is, Bastardsword is maintaining that Muhammed himself - as in the guy who was given Qur'an in the first place - went around killing people who wouldn't convert. I can see the 100th generation of a religion corrupting the message, but the first?

Allah: "Hey, you, this is how I want things to be."
Muhammed: "Great idea, oh Lord!"
Allah: "But you're not allowed to force it on anyone!"
Muhammed: "Not a problem!"

So ... then Muhammed goes and builds an Army and slaughters anyone who wouldn't convert? Riiiight. That just makes so much sense, ya know?

I know, just putting in my two cents. I'd certainly be shocked if I ever agreed with BS. Nice initials. :D

Let's see VE - that passage is talking about a king of "the kingdom of the north", who takes over the world and rules it with selfishness etc.

Here's the facts:

The kingdom of the north (according to the prophecies you are referencing) is one of the 4 kingdoms left after a (Greek) conquerer took over the world, and then passed on.

The king being referred to, in the passage you are referencing, is the 11th king of the north. He reconquers the world.


So firstly, if you believe Bush fits this role, you must show that during Roosevelt's Presidency, the world was conquered by a Greek (because if Bush is the 11th king of the north, then Truman was the first).

Next, you must be able to define the four kingdoms of the earth.

I can't see how you can demonstrate either. So while I agree with you in disliking intensely Bush's style, he cannot be the antichrist.

If you go purely by numbers, that doesn't really prove much. Although I do believe there is a possibility that George W. Bush is indeed the anti-Christ and that the Rapture is nearing, you can't base it purely on numbers.

Going by how http://www.bushisantichrist.com did it, I added up the numbers of my birthday.

03-11-1990.

0+3+1+1+1+9+9+0=24=2+4=6

My birthdate adds up to 6. Many experts believe this is how you figure out your fate number. That would mean by fate number would be 6.

I also have the mark of the beast in another way, but I do not wish to explain it as it is too personal.

If you go purely by numbers, that would mean that I would be the anti-Christ.

Hopefully that is not true, though. I am a devout Christian, and plan to honor Jesus Christ, not taint His Glorious Name.

Heeheehee - that guy's using the wrong Daniel prophecy.

As I said before, the antichrist is the second guy to take over the world - he was using the prophecy for the first one (the one who was king before the 11 kings of the kingdom of the north).

I put the guy who wrote that site as being as nuts as the people who run this one:
http://www.bushislord.com

Good thing it's a satire.

you really didn't know she was a communist, didn't you? go read up on her student years...

People can make mistakes... I used to be Atheist until I found out that I was one of the Elect when I was drawn to Calvinism.

Yep, agreed. Thus me saying I believe Allah and God are one and the same. (If he/she/it exists)

*seconds this motion*

the bible certainly does warn us. It warns us not to allow ultra leftist Marxist Hillary Clinton to be president. She is an unrepentant unreconstructed communist who wants to sell out our sovereignty to the corrupted United Nations. Under no circumstances should she be allowed to be president.

The minor anti Christ was defeated last year, his name is John Kerry.


before i say this...i would like to note i am conservative...

get out of this friggin thread....