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I got a new newsletter today. It's a good introductory piece and I suggest that every "nice guy" read it. Hopefully it'll start to get the gears turning.

WOMEN DON'T MAKE SENSE!

Have you ever noticed that women don't seem to
make sense AT ALL when it comes to "dating"?

What's up with that?

I'm sure you've been in a situation where you really
liked a woman, and you did everything "right"... but
for some reason she just never felt attracted to you...

You called her often, took her to nice places,
bought her gifts, and were a complete gentleman (translation,
you didn't try to kiss her, gave her space, etc.)...
but nothing seemed to cause her to like you for more
than just a "friend"...

And I'm sure you've been in a situation where a
TOTALLY HOT female friend of yours was dating a complete
jerk who was mean and abusive to her... and all she
did was tell you about how badly he treats her (and
of course she talks about the sex too)... all the
while you're sitting there and would do ANYTHING just
to have a chance at dating her. Right?

What is going on here?

Why is it that when you're overly nice to a woman
in the beginning, it just causes them to be less and
less interested?

And why is it that jerky guys who mistreat women
seem to get laid like Rock Stars, even though they
are the WORST possible choice for an attractive woman?

This is a fascinating question to me.

In fact, I've spent the last four or five YEARS
thinking about this one and other related questions.

It's funny, because when you first ask a question
like this one, you can come up with some "OK" answers.
But now that I've taken the time to REALLY think about
it, research it, and look DEEPER into the topic, I've
realized and found some FASCINATING answers.

But more importantly, I've come up with ways that
any guy can take advantage of the secrets that "jerks"
use to attract women... without having to be abusive.

OK, so let's talk about some of these concepts
that I've been working on.

I can remember when I used to call women all the
time, take them out, and generally show them that
I was VERY interested in them when I first met them.
I was REALLY a "nice" guy.

And you can guess what happened. Exactly...

They would always be nice to me, say that they
appreciated what I had done, and accept my calls...

BUT I NEVER SENSED THAT THEY FELT ANY KIND OF
ATTRACTION FOR ME.

Something just never felt quite right.

I always felt this little tension... as if the woman
KNEW that I was interested, but for some reason THAT
VERY FACT was the thing that kept her from feeling the
same in return.

It was as if the more I tried to get a woman to
like me, the less she would.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE!

Why wouldn't a woman choose to like me when I was
such a nice guy?

Was it my looks? Or the fact that I didn't make
a lot of money? Or that I didn't have a nice car?

Well, I've since realized something...

Women don't CHOOSE at all who they are attracted
to.

ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE.

Attraction is something that happens virtually
on its own... WITHOUT ANY CONSCIOUS DECISION AT ALL.

Most people have a hard time accepting the idea
that they're not in control of themselves.

I just read in a marketing book today that some
experts estimate that over 95% of ALL decisions aren't
made consciously.

In other words, less than 5% of all the "decisions"
that people make were ALREADY MADE FOR THEM by their
minds, and they're just trying to pretend that it
was their idea!

Well, when it comes to women and ATTRACTION, things
are no different.

Ask a woman why she's attracted to a certain guy,
and she'll answer "Oh, he's such a sweetheart" or
"He's really a great guy" or whatever.

I personally believe that if you could get a woman
to stop and think about it for a minute, the REAL
answer would be something like "I have no frickin'
idea whatsoever. I just feel an emotion that makes
me crave being with him, and then I justify it with
my mind so I can EXPLAIN it to myself and everyone
else so I don't sound crazy."

Whoa.

That's heavy.

But if you take a look around, it's not NEARLY
as heavy as REALITY. Think about all of the women
you've known who were smart, attractive, and interesting.
Now think about all of those women who dated abusive,
insensitive losers who did nothing but take from them...
and how the women just dealt with it and kept dating
them.

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

Well, the answer is somewhat complex.

A combination of evolutionary pressures, cultural
and religious programming, and the magical way the
mind works creates a very unique and interesting puzzle.

But let me tell you one thing about this puzzle.

When you're first learning how to be successful
with women and dating, you must put aside all of your
past ideas and conditioning for awhile.

You have to pretend that you don't know ANYTHING
about how women work... and play a little game.

Instead of doing what you THINK should work, try
doing what ACTUALLY works.

When you have this mindset, you'll TRY different
things, JUST TO SEE WHAT WORKS.

Instead of saying "Oh, that won't work", just try
it.

I was out with a good friend of mine one time.
We were at the mall walking around, and I was showing
him how easy it is to meet women.

We went into a fancy store, and walked up to a
girl who was selling makeup. He started a conversation
with her, and I watched.

She was laughing, and he was doing fine.

But you know that point in a conversation with
a woman where you both know that something needs to
happen?

She needed to get back to work, and he needed to
either move on or ask for her information.

So I walked over and said "Here, let me see your
hand" (she had her left hand in her pocket, and we
couldn't see if she had a wedding band on).

She took her hand out, and I looked at it.

Sure enough, she had a ring on her finger. But
it didn't look like a wedding band to me.

So I pointed at it and said "So does this ring
mean something? Or is it just to ward-off dumb
asses?"

She started laughing.

Here's the good part...

I looked at my friend and said OUT LOUD "See, that's
how you find out if she's single. I've got a line
for everything..." and I laughed.

Then we asked her if she had a card, and made fun
of her for not having an email address... of course,
my friend walked away with her info.

Now, the funny part of this story is that most
guys would CRINGE if they even THOUGHT of saying
something like "See, that's how you find out if she's
single..." etc. right to a woman's face.

But she found the humor and arrogance quite funny
and charming.

What I'm trying to say is that you need to put
aside your ideas about what women respond to when
it comes to ATTRACTION... and start doing what WORKS,
instead of what you THINK SHOULD WORK.

Remember, WOMEN DON'T MAKE SENSE.

If you keep trying to think about it and get them
to make sense in your mind, you're going to keep going
in circles and chasing your tail.

Success with women really comes down to learning
a new way to think about women, then combining it
with the actual techniques that cause women to feel
that magical emotion called ATTRACTION.

Once you start using the techniques in the real
world, in real situations, you start to get a FEEL
for how this whole thing works. And once you start
to see how successful you can be, it encourages you
to start doing more "illogical" things.

Both of my long term relationships were with "nice guys." If I ever felt my space, boundaries, rights, or independence were being encroached on, they sure as hell heard about it. Ultimatums, acting like I belonged to them, abusive language, keeping track of where I was, who I was with, threats, or attempts to dominate are all met with the end of the relationship. I tolerate no crap. But I'm worth it. :D

Sorry, but it's a load of old socks...there are women who find 'jerkiness' unattractive while finding 'nice guyness' very attractive indeed.

Both of my long term relationships were with "nice guys." If I ever felt my space, boundaries, rights, or independence were being encroached on, they sure as hell heard about it. Ultimatums, acting like I belonged to them, abusive language, keeping track of where I was, who I was with, threats, or attempts to dominate are all met with the end of the relationship. I tolerate no crap. But I'm worth it. :D
They may have been nice, but I doubt they were "nice guys", unless you just like the spineless, insecure, girly man type who tries to buy your affections with dinner, flowers and presents. Most women don't like that, unless they're complete domineering bitches.

They may have been nice, but I doubt they were "nice guys", unless you just like the spineless, insecure, girly man type who tries to buy your affections with dinner, flowers and presents. Most women don't like that, unless they're complete domineering bitches.
If they were nice and a guy, then they were a nice guy. If you want to talk about spineless, insecure, girly man types who try to buy affections with dinner flowers and presents, it would be better to say so instead of pretending that a guy who is nice isnt described by the phrase 'nice guy'.

enough with the why gals don't like nice guys threads, its enough to make a fellow kick someone in the teeth. women don't tend to like weak willed ineffectual push overs who are too afraid of rejection to make a polite sexual overture. the also don't necessarily swoon over guys who think they are sensitive becauase they are extremely aware of their own angst and personal suffering, that's just narcicissism.

if you think you're getting rejected cuz you're a nice guy, look again you're probably being rejected for other reasons and just rationalizing that woman are too shallow to see you for the peech of a guy you really are.

i don't know how this relates the first post, it was too long and boring to read. if its completely off topic... well i'd tell you to ignore it but, obviously you can make that determination without my imput.

If they were nice and a guy, then they were a nice guy. If you want to talk about spineless, insecure, girly man types who try to buy affections with dinner flowers and presents, it would be better to say so instead of pretending that a guy who is nice isnt described by the phrase 'nice guy'.
Come on, cut the semantics. I think you know what I mean when I put nice guy in quotes.

enough with the why gals don't like nice guys threads, its enough to make a fellow kick someone in the teeth.

Then why are you posting?

i don't know how this relates the first post, it was too long and boring to read. if its completely off topic... well i'd tell you to ignore it but, obviously you can make that determination without my imput.

You should have read it. It's full of great introductory stuff for the "nice guy" to read and get the gears of his brain turning.

If they were nice and a guy, then they were a nice guy. If you want to talk about spineless, insecure, girly man types who try to buy affections with dinner flowers and presents, it would be better to say so instead of pretending that a guy who is nice isnt described by the phrase 'nice guy'.

'nice guy' = nice person who happens to be male
'Nice Guy (often followed by 'TM') = spineless arsehole who bitches about how 'women don't like nice guys' when they can't get into a woman's pants by pretending to be her friend. Often also tells other guys to 'act like jerks', completely missing the part where any girl who likes them while they're 'acting' still doesn't like them - they only like the persona.

Huge, huge difference. The term 'Nice Guy' is appropriate because that's what they call themselves.

Hope that cleared up the usage ;)

Come on, cut the semantics. I think you know what I mean when I put nice guy in quotes.
No I dont. I consider nice guys to be guys who are nice, and many of them are nothing like your description of spineless affection buyers.

They may have been nice, but I doubt they were "nice guys", unless you just like the spineless, insecure, girly man type who tries to buy your affections with dinner, flowers and presents. Most women don't like that, unless they're complete domineering bitches.

I am a complete domineering bitch. And I'd stomp all over someone who couldn't stand up to me. I prefer an equal. I won't put up with certain things, and if he does he'll get run over. Girly men suck. But so do assholes. I like some pampering, but I'm willing to return it on occasion. If he makes more money, then I expect him to pick up the tab more often. When I have more money, he'd better not act like some insecure dweeb when I offer to pay the tab.

I am a complete domineering bitch. And I'd stomp all over someone who couldn't stand up to me. I prefer an equal. I won't put up with certain things, and if he does he'll get run over. Girly men suck. But so do assholes. I like some pampering, but I'm willing to return it on occasion. If he makes more money, then I expect him to pick up the tab more often. When I have more money, he'd better not act like some insecure dweeb when I offer to pay the tab.
Then you appreciate men who won't put up with your crap, but aren't a-holes either. That's a good balance, but definitely not a "nice guy".

Then you appreciate men who won't put up with your crap, but aren't a-holes either. That's a good balance, but definitely not a "nice guy".

Helps if you write it as 'Nice Guy (tm)'. No one ever gets confused that way ;)

Although, amazingly enough, you still need to explain it occasionally (hint for the uninitiated: Only Nice Guys (tm) think they're nice)

Then you appreciate men who won't put up with your crap, but aren't a-holes either. That's a good balance, but definitely not a "nice guy".

Not a "Nice Guy tm" but a nice guy. I like someone who's a calming influence on me. But he has to be calm, not cowed.

Helps if you write it as 'Nice Guy (tm)'. No one ever gets confused that way ;)

Although, amazingly enough, you still need to explain it occasionally (hint for the uninitiated: Only Nice Guys (tm) think they're nice)

Yeah. Actual nice guys know they're nice. But never too nice....

I'm very attracted to nice guys--true nice guys. The ones that try really hard to do all that stuff are just full of bull, in my opinion. That's probably why we stay away from them. You don't need to give gifts and flowers and all that crap--in fact, I'd rather you didn't. You just have to be a nice person, and it won't matter what screw-ups you make (to an extent, anyway). Jerks piss me off. I like to give those guys a nice right hook when I get the chance to.

Every once in a while, I like to have a no-holds-barred slugfest with the gf. Bare-knuckled madness. And then afterwards, I can't even remember what I was upset with her about. And we go get ice cream.

She has a pretty mean jab, though.

" ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE."


Tell me about it.

A lot of guys I've dated were significantly bigger than me. A fist fight would be pretty damaging. I told my ex that if he ever hit me(unless I hit first) that I'd cut his throat in his sleep. Which is probably the kindest thing that could happen. My brothers are crazy.

Every once in a while, I like to have a no-holds-barred slugfest with the gf. Bare-knuckled madness. And then afterwards, I can't even remember what I was upset with her about. And we go get ice cream.

She has a pretty mean jab, though.
I'm both alarmed and in awe at the same time.

Opinion 1:
OMG ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP!!! :eek:

Opinion 2:
That's so cool that you can do that--it's so much easier to get things out and over with when you use violence (remind me never to talk to small children), and you don't end up holding a grudge like you would after a verbal battle. Coolies. :cool:

'nice guy' = nice person who happens to be male
'Nice Guy (often followed by 'TM') = spineless arsehole who bitches about how 'women don't like nice guys' when they can't get into a woman's pants by pretending to be her friend. Often also tells other guys to 'act like jerks', completely missing the part where any girl who likes them while they're 'acting' still doesn't like them - they only like the persona.

Huge, huge difference. The term 'Nice Guy' is appropriate because that's what they call themselves.

Hope that cleared up the usage ;)
So what am i? :confused:

So what am i? :confused:

heh, well. I don't know you. But I've never seen you encourage guys to act like arseholes to get girls, and I've never seen you bitch about how you spent *ages* being nice to a girl and how she *still* wouldn't have sex with you...

... so I'll err on the side of caution and assume you're NOT a 'Nice Guy (tm)'.

^.^ (<--- just to make clear that that's a good thing :p)

Every once in a while, I like to have a no-holds-barred slugfest with the gf. Bare-knuckled madness. And then afterwards, I can't even remember what I was upset with her about. And we go get ice cream.

She has a pretty mean jab, though.
Id never hit a lady but if she hit me it would be mute point she loses that title. ;) J/K

heh, well. I don't know you. But I've never seen you encourage guys to act like arseholes to get girls, and I've never seen you bitch about how you spent *ages* being nice to a girl and how she *still* wouldn't have sex with you...

... so I'll err on the side of caution and assume you're NOT a 'Nice Guy (tm)'.

^.^ (<--- just to make clear that that's a good thing :p)
Yeah im not a bad Nice Guy Woop De Do.

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Yep, nothing beats a long embrace with your significant other after she chips your tooth with a ceramic bank.

'nice guy' = nice person who happens to be male
'Nice Guy (often followed by 'TM') = spineless arsehole who bitches about how 'women don't like nice guys' when they can't get into a woman's pants by pretending to be her friend. Often also tells other guys to 'act like jerks', completely missing the part where any girl who likes them while they're 'acting' still doesn't like them - they only like the persona.

Huge, huge difference. The term 'Nice Guy' is appropriate because that's what they call themselves.

Hope that cleared up the usage ;) Can I add the following?

'Nice Guy (TM)' are often whiney! I'll tell you what is unattractive! Men that whine whine whine whine whine about how they have a hard time getting a date because they're so nice and not a jerk. And usually they have such a bleak and negative outlook on life, why would I want to spend time with them? I have a couple of male friends who are going through the I'll-never-get-a-date-'Nice Guy (TM)'-syndrome. In fact, their whining is so intense, I almost don't want to be around them as friends, never mind as a boyfriend! I wouldn't go out with someone like that!

'Nice Guys (TM)' also say other guys that are competition are jerks, even when they aren't! I'm not saying every case is like this but a lot of it is perspective!

Can I add the following?

Yes, as long as I can add the following:

'Nice guys also often bitch about how girls are 'shallow' for going out with hotter guys, or for putting up with crap from hot guys, while they themselves only hit on hot girls, or reject girls for not being 'hot enough', or who claim aloud not to care what a girl's personality is like 'as long as she's hot'.

Mmmm, I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Oh wait, I mean coffee. I love the smell of coffee in the morning.

I got a new newsletter today. It's a good introductory piece and I suggest that every "nice guy" read it. Hopefully it'll start to get the gears turning.

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Yawn. Same ol, same ol. I used to be subscribed, just for humor, but then I got tired of it when it kept coming when I was expecting an auto-mail from a forum telling me someone's posted, and unsubscribed from it.

Oh wait, I mean coffee. I love the smell of coffee in the morning.

No, you mean you love the smell of coffee in the mid-afternoon.

Yes, as long as I can add the following:

'Nice guys also often bitch about how girls are 'shallow' for going out with hotter guys, or for putting up with crap from hot guys, while they themselves only hit on hot girls, or reject girls for not being 'hot enough', or who claim aloud not to care what a girl's personality is like 'as long as she's hot'.

Mmmm, I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Oh wait, I mean coffee. I love the smell of coffee in the morning. YES! That's SO true!!!!!!

Nice guys are wanckers.

http://maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html

http://maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html
NARF!

Oh my... it's been years now on and off with Nationstates. In all that time, this is the dumbest thread I've ever read. This thread is worse than the "WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT? JEHOVAS WITNESSES OR HINDUS?" thread.

Just do what feels right and be your damn self. Articles like that get started because some looser has a boner NOW and can't find a woman NOW, so suddenly everyone else is a jerk. Dude... lay the lumber down righteously and all your worries go away ;)

http://maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html
There are a couple of good points on that list, but only if you do it right. Like taking her hand, but only hold it for a second and let go. Most of the rest of that list is a bunch of needy girly man stuff. Secretly sniffing hair? Staring? That would creep out most women. The rest of it would just kill attraction. It won't turn you into a creep, but it DEFINITELY won't turn you into her "dream guy" either.

Does anyone else get the impression that Vynnland is that DeAngelo guy?

PS Maddox rulez!!!

Women don't CHOOSE at all who they are attracted
to.
So you don't believe in a woman's will to choose [her boyfriend]? :D :D :D

Seriously though, this would explain a bunch . . .

http://maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!

I happen to be a very nice guy and I have never once had a problem getting dates. *shrug*

My boy actually does quite a few things on that list. :p So NAH Vynnland!

Although we usually end up watching "the game" together. It's fun when South Africa plays Australia at cricket, rugby or soccer. :p Lots of teasing.

Every once in a while, I like to have a no-holds-barred slugfest with the gf. Bare-knuckled madness.

So, you're saying that you're womanbeater?

So, you're saying that you're womanbeater?
I hate womanbeaters :mp5:

I hate womanbeaters :mp5:

They are pretty low on my list of favourite kinds of people, I can tell you.

They are pretty low on my list of favourite kinds of people, I can tell you.
Same here.

What's the lowest on your list? Just curious.

They are pretty low on my list of favourite kinds of people, I can tell you.

I warned my ex that if he ever hit me, he wouldn't live long enough to get divorced.

I hate womanbeaters :mp5:
And lets not forget manbeaters :gundge:

...I'm so glad I'm bisexual. -_-

And lets not forget manbeaters :gundge:
Oh, yeah. Those.

...I'm so glad I'm bisexual. -_-

I've often thought life would be easier if I were a lesbian. Alas, no spark there. :p

I've often thought life would be easier if I were a lesbian. Alas, no spark there. :p

Hey, if you're lucky you'll get one of us bi-guys. All the housekeeping prowess and emotional openess of a camp gay guy, but women-oriented. ^_^

I got a new newsletter today. It's a good introductory piece and I suggest that every "nice guy" read it. Hopefully it'll start to get the gears turning.

WOMEN DON'T MAKE SENSE!

Have you ever noticed that women don't seem to
make sense AT ALL when it comes to "dating"?

What's up with that?

I'm sure you've been in a situation where you really
liked a woman, and you did everything "right"... but
for some reason she just never felt attracted to you...

You called her often, took her to nice places,
bought her gifts, and were a complete gentleman (translation,
you didn't try to kiss her, gave her space, etc.)...
but nothing seemed to cause her to like you for more
than just a "friend"...

And I'm sure you've been in a situation where a
TOTALLY HOT female friend of yours was dating a complete
jerk who was mean and abusive to her... and all she
did was tell you about how badly he treats her (and
of course she talks about the sex too)... all the
while you're sitting there and would do ANYTHING just
to have a chance at dating her. Right?

What is going on here?

Why is it that when you're overly nice to a woman
in the beginning, it just causes them to be less and
less interested?

And why is it that jerky guys who mistreat women
seem to get laid like Rock Stars, even though they
are the WORST possible choice for an attractive woman?

This is a fascinating question to me.

In fact, I've spent the last four or five YEARS
thinking about this one and other related questions.

It's funny, because when you first ask a question
like this one, you can come up with some "OK" answers.
But now that I've taken the time to REALLY think about
it, research it, and look DEEPER into the topic, I've
realized and found some FASCINATING answers.

But more importantly, I've come up with ways that
any guy can take advantage of the secrets that "jerks"
use to attract women... without having to be abusive.

OK, so let's talk about some of these concepts
that I've been working on.

I can remember when I used to call women all the
time, take them out, and generally show them that
I was VERY interested in them when I first met them.
I was REALLY a "nice" guy.

And you can guess what happened. Exactly...

They would always be nice to me, say that they
appreciated what I had done, and accept my calls...

BUT I NEVER SENSED THAT THEY FELT ANY KIND OF
ATTRACTION FOR ME.

Something just never felt quite right.

I always felt this little tension... as if the woman
KNEW that I was interested, but for some reason THAT
VERY FACT was the thing that kept her from feeling the
same in return.

It was as if the more I tried to get a woman to
like me, the less she would.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE!

Why wouldn't a woman choose to like me when I was
such a nice guy?

Was it my looks? Or the fact that I didn't make
a lot of money? Or that I didn't have a nice car?

Well, I've since realized something...

Women don't CHOOSE at all who they are attracted
to.

ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE.

Attraction is something that happens virtually
on its own... WITHOUT ANY CONSCIOUS DECISION AT ALL.

Most people have a hard time accepting the idea
that they're not in control of themselves.

I just read in a marketing book today that some
experts estimate that over 95% of ALL decisions aren't
made consciously.

In other words, less than 5% of all the "decisions"
that people make were ALREADY MADE FOR THEM by their
minds, and they're just trying to pretend that it
was their idea!

Well, when it comes to women and ATTRACTION, things
are no different.

Ask a woman why she's attracted to a certain guy,
and she'll answer "Oh, he's such a sweetheart" or
"He's really a great guy" or whatever.

I personally believe that if you could get a woman
to stop and think about it for a minute, the REAL
answer would be something like "I have no frickin'
idea whatsoever. I just feel an emotion that makes
me crave being with him, and then I justify it with
my mind so I can EXPLAIN it to myself and everyone
else so I don't sound crazy."

Whoa.

That's heavy.

But if you take a look around, it's not NEARLY
as heavy as REALITY. Think about all of the women
you've known who were smart, attractive, and interesting.
Now think about all of those women who dated abusive,
insensitive losers who did nothing but take from them...
and how the women just dealt with it and kept dating
them.

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

Well, the answer is somewhat complex.

A combination of evolutionary pressures, cultural
and religious programming, and the magical way the
mind works creates a very unique and interesting puzzle.

But let me tell you one thing about this puzzle.

When you're first learning how to be successful
with women and dating, you must put aside all of your
past ideas and conditioning for awhile.

You have to pretend that you don't know ANYTHING
about how women work... and play a little game.

Instead of doing what you THINK should work, try
doing what ACTUALLY works.

When you have this mindset, you'll TRY different
things, JUST TO SEE WHAT WORKS.

Instead of saying "Oh, that won't work", just try
it.

I was out with a good friend of mine one time.
We were at the mall walking around, and I was showing
him how easy it is to meet women.

We went into a fancy store, and walked up to a
girl who was selling makeup. He started a conversation
with her, and I watched.

She was laughing, and he was doing fine.

But you know that point in a conversation with
a woman where you both know that something needs to
happen?

She needed to get back to work, and he needed to
either move on or ask for her information.

So I walked over and said "Here, let me see your
hand" (she had her left hand in her pocket, and we
couldn't see if she had a wedding band on).

She took her hand out, and I looked at it.

Sure enough, she had a ring on her finger. But
it didn't look like a wedding band to me.

So I pointed at it and said "So does this ring
mean something? Or is it just to ward-off dumb
asses?"

She started laughing.

Here's the good part...

I looked at my friend and said OUT LOUD "See, that's
how you find out if she's single. I've got a line
for everything..." and I laughed.

Then we asked her if she had a card, and made fun
of her for not having an email address... of course,
my friend walked away with her info.

Now, the funny part of this story is that most
guys would CRINGE if they even THOUGHT of saying
something like "See, that's how you find out if she's
single..." etc. right to a woman's face.

But she found the humor and arrogance quite funny
and charming.

What I'm trying to say is that you need to put
aside your ideas about what women respond to when
it comes to ATTRACTION... and start doing what WORKS,
instead of what you THINK SHOULD WORK.

Remember, WOMEN DON'T MAKE SENSE.

If you keep trying to think about it and get them
to make sense in your mind, you're going to keep going
in circles and chasing your tail.

Success with women really comes down to learning
a new way to think about women, then combining it
with the actual techniques that cause women to feel
that magical emotion called ATTRACTION.

Once you start using the techniques in the real
world, in real situations, you start to get a FEEL
for how this whole thing works. And once you start
to see how successful you can be, it encourages you
to start doing more "illogical" things.

It's a two way thing. Men date nasty women who use them etc. It's all bout looks either way.

"Have you ever noticed that women don't seem to make sense AT ALL when it comes to 'dating'?"

One word: pheromones.

"Have you ever noticed that women don't seem to make sense AT ALL when it comes to 'dating'?"

One word: pheromones.

So if you stop bathing, women will love you. :P

I told my ex that if he ever hit me(unless I hit first) that I'd cut his throat in his sleep.

That's actually quite scary.

That's actually quite scary.

It's supposed to be. And it'd be a lot kinder than anything my brothers or father would do to him.

So if you stop bathing, women will love you. :P
ROFLMAO! That's not what I meant and you know it! :p

Hey, if you're lucky you'll get one of us bi-guys. All the housekeeping prowess and emotional openess of a camp gay guy, but women-oriented. ^_^

Cool. Though I'd rather have two. Then when I was too tired I could be a spectator. :D

Cool. Though I'd rather have two. Then when I was too tired I could be a spectator. :D
Ewww! LOL! Which is one reason many men fantasize about being with two lesbians! :p

It's supposed to be. And it'd be a lot kinder than anything my brothers or father would do to him.

I don't mean scary in that it was an effective threat. I mean scary in that you come across as some kind of sinister psycho sick chick. :p

I don't mean scary in that it was an effective threat. I mean scary in that you come across as some kind of sinister psycho sick chick. :p

But I am. :D And so far it has been effective.

And lets not forget manbeaters :gundge:
Or kid beaters :(

Sometimes I feel so useless...

Add self-beaters too...

I warned my ex that if he ever hit me (unless I hit first)...

Even if a woman hits you, you don't hit them back. That's about as close as we get to absolute rules in this world.

What's the lowest on your list? Just curious.

Down in those depths of the list it is too dark to make out exactly what order they fall in.

Even if a woman hits you, you don't hit them back. That's about as close as we get to absolute rules in this world.

I'm afraid I disagree. If I use violence against another person, they're justified in using a comparable level of violence against me.

http://maddox.xmission.com/26_things.html
Huzzah

Or kid beaters :(
:mad:

Kid beaters really need to be taught a lesson! :mp5:

In fact, this past month, here in minnesota, a couple was arrested for "unreasonable restraint of a child" by putting her stark naked in closet or kennel whenever she misbehaved--and she often had to stay there for SEVEN DAYS AT A TIME! :mp5: :mad:

I'm afraid I disagree. If I use violence against another person, they're justified in using a comparable level of violence against me.
What if someone found a way to nuke you? Then what? :D

SOME women DO make sense and theres nothing wrong with a nice guy.

(directed toward thread originator)

So, you're saying that you're womanbeater?

You mean A womanbeater?

That implies a one-sided exchange. Have you been following along?

Even if a woman hits you, you don't hit them back. That's about as close as we get to absolute rules in this world.

Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot to check the absolute rulebook.

It's called humor, champ. I've never hit a female.

I've never had to.

What if someone found a way to nuke you? Then what? :D

Then I suppose I wouldn't be able to complain. For once. :D

I refused to change and stayed desperately lonely and single all throughout high school, and up until now at 22, though any whining and complaining I did I kept mostly to myself (which isn't hard because I tend to keep mostly to myself anyways). I always wondered if I was doing something wrong or if I should try to do things differently, but I never did, and now, it's paying off in spades.