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Hi.

I am new around here, so perhaps I am missing something... but...

What is the point of attempting to force your ideals upon people? If someone wishes to act a certain way, why is it wrong? It's not against the law, so it's not legally wrong.

Who says that your religion is the correct one? Who says these things exist? It's one thing to stand behind your religion, and follow it, and practice it. That's perfectly fine. But harassing people and stating that you are 'saving' them... you aren't saving them. You are causing them more grief and therefore going against everything your religion attempts to teach you.

I don't understand it. I simply don't. Can someone explain it to me?

Neither do I and welcome. Stay clear of some people, they could be mean to you for asking that. :)

(O O)
xxxx

I say nothing?

What?

What?
Well ill give you hug for using the Quotes

and that was a man with his mouth stiched shut saying nothing.

Well ill give you hug for using the Quotes

and that was a man with his mouth stiched shut saying nothing.
Was he an asylum seeker on hunger strike? :confused: :(

Some people are so transfixed in their ideologies that they they create a void in their mind which shuts out their brain from foreign input, which closes their ideas. Then, they try to impose those ideas on other people by trying to cajole them. It may seem ludicris (sp?) to you, however, it's not too hard to imagine and understand.

But harassing people and stating that you are 'saving' them... you aren't saving them. You are causing them more grief and therefore going against everything your religion attempts to teach you.

I don't understand it. I simply don't. Can someone explain it to me?


It's not about religion. It's about power and cowardness.

Instead of telling people "I want to have more power over you." it is easier to hide your intentions behind religious brouhaha. You also imply that you don't really have a choice and are not free in your actions, that you just work on "higher order" - sort of like the SS-Guards in the german concentration camps (Or was it in Iraqi prisons?).

Originally posted by Harlesburg
Well ill give you hug for using the Quotes

and that was a man with his mouth stiched shut saying nothing

Thank you. It can be very difficult to understand what I am saying. I guess I will have to start using the quotes.

Was he an asylum seeker on hunger strike? :confused: :(
No it was just an Australian citizen that was detained for being an illegal immigrant.LOL

Thank you. It can be very difficult to understand what I am saying. I guess I will have to start using the quotes.
Are you listening to me or Aerou?

Originally posted by Harlesburg
Are you listening to me or Aerou?

I'm listening to everyone including myself. It can be difficult to understand, especially because it takes my computer a long time to get a respond through. It is hard to type in the dark though, especially when you're tired and you're a bad typer. I don't really care what she thinks. She and I have never spoken on very good terms. I thought I could say something to her in that thread, to make things a little more friendlier, but obviously that didn't go over to well.

No it was just an Australian citizen that was detained for being an illegal immigrant.LOL
Good call. :( :p (sad but funny...)

Meh. do what you feel. It's the general forum.

Debating is fun, becasue it forces someone me to solidify my own beliefs and arguments, and test them out on others.

ah.. the new one lies..... we must kill him




disclaimer: no, i don't actually mean kill anybody... this is all for fun.. or something... look over there! balloons!

I am new around here, so perhaps I am missing something... but...
I think you know, and you're trying to play at being innocent. I don't understand who you're trying to fool, but, whatever. I'll bite.

What is the point of attempting to force your ideals upon people?
Because you believe that you know best, and that they do not, and that you must lead them in the right direction. This has been a very human way of thinking since the beginning of history.

And I would also note that it's almost impossible to force your opinions on others in an internet forum, because there's no physical way of interacting; I have no way of you making you conform to my version of reality. What's done here is debate. Hashing things out. It is commonly thought that if one cannot defend one's ideas when verbally attacked, that those ideas are unsound, and one must either rethink them or abandon them. At least, that's what's logically believed. Thus it's not about making others believe you; it's about seeing whether or not you should be believing.

If someone wishes to act a certain way, why is it wrong?
If a man wishes to take advantage of his wife's trust in him and have an extramarital affair without her knowledge or consent, is this right? Most people would agree that it is not; that the man is wishing breaking a confidence and a contract that he has entered into with another person. Desires and thoughts aren't that bad, though. It is actions that are, and desires naturally lead to actions unless prohibited in some way. That's why we have moral guidelines about trust, loyalty, life and liberty. And why we impose them on others. We impose them on our children, for instance, to make sure that they're generally "good" children.

It's not against the law, so it's not legally wrong.
Simply because something is legal does not make it moral. Once again I turn to the example of the extramarital affair.

Who says that your religion is the correct one? Who says these things exist? It's one thing to stand behind your religion, and follow it, and practice it. That's perfectly fine.
Oftentimes, it is God, or holy scripture, that says that the believer's religion is the correct one. That's why he believes in it. Because he thinks it is correct. Oftentimes, the scripture of that religion leads one to believe that all the other religions are untrue. If people accepted that your questions were unanswerable, they would not be able to have faith in a religion, because it would lose all divine authority.

But harassing people and stating that you are 'saving' them... you aren't saving them. You are causing them more grief and therefore going against everything your religion attempts to teach you.
You're obviously referring to Christianity here. Just say it, man. Who are you to say that Jane Evangelist is causing grief when she is proselytizing? Are you an omnipresent being who knows and sees all?

Those that force their ideals down others peoples throat, really gets people pissed. IMO, it turns them off alot more than helping.

'Live by example' is my motto.

Hi.

I am new around here, so perhaps I am missing something... but...

What is the point of attempting to force your ideals upon people? If someone wishes to act a certain way, why is it wrong? It's not against the law, so it's not legally wrong.

Who says that your religion is the correct one? Who says these things exist? It's one thing to stand behind your religion, and follow it, and practice it. That's perfectly fine. But harassing people and stating that you are 'saving' them... you aren't saving them. You are causing them more grief and therefore going against everything your religion attempts to teach you.

I don't understand it. I simply don't. Can someone explain it to me?

I've been here over a year and I still don't get it.

MUFFIN!

Some people are so transfixed in their ideologies that they they create a void in their mind which shuts out their brain from foreign input, which closes their ideas. Then, they try to impose those ideas on other people by trying to cajole them. It may seem ludicris (sp?) to you, however, it's not too hard to imagine and understand.

Counterbalance this with the fact (stat made up on the spot of course) that 3 out of 5 people would rather be told a truth than work through to its conclusion and you will see why concepts like Social Peaceful Anarchy just look good in daydreams.

Most power structures are founded on the squeeky wheel get the grease model OR the Im bigger therefore right, but the one who ends up leader of them is the loud one who, by whatever means, made other viewpoints beside his own look worse.

RevScrj
Diplomatic Envoy of TToGA,
Dun Eideann

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I'm listening to everyone including myself. It can be difficult to understand, especially because it takes my computer a long time to get a respond through. It is hard to type in the dark though, especially when you're tired and you're a bad typer. I don't really care what she thinks. She and I have never spoken on very good terms. I thought I could say something to her in that thread, to make things a little more friendlier, but obviously that didn't go over to well.

Oooo, fiesty ;)

Wait....

Haven't I only replied to one thing you said? I was just telling you in that thread that typing in the dark has nothing to do with quoting. I didn't realize we were on bad terms. *shrugs* Ohhhh weeeellll..........

You're obviously referring to Christianity here. Just say it, man. Who are you to say that Jane Evangelist is causing grief when she is proselytizing? Are you an omnipresent being who knows and sees all?

Yes I am. I am Nuggan, god of paperclips!

Hi.

I am new around here, so perhaps I am missing something... but...

What is the point of attempting to force your ideals upon people? If someone wishes to act a certain way, why is it wrong? It's not against the law, so it's not legally wrong.

Who says that your religion is the correct one? Who says these things exist? It's one thing to stand behind your religion, and follow it, and practice it. That's perfectly fine. But harassing people and stating that you are 'saving' them... you aren't saving them. You are causing them more grief and therefore going against everything your religion attempts to teach you.

I don't understand it. I simply don't. Can someone explain it to me?

Nobody does, other than those who do it. My advice is figure out who they are, and stay aware from them at all costs

Good call. :( :p (sad but funny...)
Very sad and funny
They knew she was missing photos were posted at immigration.Hello????

I'm listening to everyone including myself. It can be difficult to understand, especially because it takes my computer a long time to get a respond through. It is hard to type in the dark though, especially when you're tired and you're a bad typer. I don't really care what she thinks. She and I have never spoken on very good terms. I thought I could say something to her in that thread, to make things a little more friendlier, but obviously that didn't go over to well.
Dont be to hard on her she is a very nice person i dont think its personel if she was cranky it might be the flu.
Im sure you two would get on fine. ;) :( :fluffle:

Very sad and funny
They knew she was missing photos were posted at immigration.Hello????
The most disturbing thing is that they basically locked her up because she had an accent and no ID/didn't know who she was.

And follow that up with the fact that they didn't follow her up with missing persons or give her psychiatric care...

Scary. Australia is so barbarous. :(

Scary. Australia is so barbarous.

Only to filthy foreigners :D

Wow, that sure got a few interesting replies.

You're obviously referring to Christianity here. Just say it, man. Who are you to say that Jane Evangelist is causing grief when she is proselytizing? Are you an omnipresent being who knows and sees all?

I'm not necessarily referring to Christianity. Though, I will admit that personally I have a small issue with organized religion due to some traumatic childhood experiences. I am referring to all religious zealots who feel that it is their place to 'convert' members of a different faith, or those with no 'faith' at all.

I trolled the forums for a long while before finally decided to throw in my two cents... alot of what I saw bugged me. Not because of the messages stated(pro/con different issues) -- but because of how beligerant these viewpoints were being defended. It's fanatical, maniacal, and frighteningly zealous. I just don't see the point, I suppose.

Perhaps that is because I'm pretty laid back, have a sense of humor, and enjoy just watching life flow around me while I do my own thing. I guess everyone has to change everything and be a pioneer or visionairy.

I on the other hand... I just want to keep my comfortable living the way it is, and try to stay away from as many of these, dare I say, overopinionated (mostly religious) folk.

Only to filthy foreigners :D
Yeah Australian Foriegners???????????? :confused: