NationStates Jolt Archive

To plagiarize the History Channel.

Which revolution do you think most affected the world? This does not only include political revolutions, though those are the most numerous on this poll. Please support your decision!

I got to go with the Protestant Reformation. It did plenty of things, like break the hold of papal authority on Europe, help introduce the theory of Sovereignty, and, eventually, religious toleration. Moreover, religious divisions helped to shape much of subsequent Western history. For example; your Glorious Revolution? Wouldn't have happened if there were no Anglicans eager to dethrone Catholic rulers. Oh, and I suppose there were also some contributions to theology and the like.. meh.

Hmmm... by including the Industrial Revolution, which basically changed the lives of almost everyone in the world in a relatively short term of time, I would have to go with that one.

The scientific revolution

Probably the first irrigation systems in mesopotamia with water wheels that had several revolutions per hour.

I'd have to say the American Revolution. America was the leading industrial nation when the revolution came about, and contributed greatly. America has also saved Europe's butt twice, saved the world from possible annihilation, etc...

Have you guessed I'm a patriotic Republican?

Protestant Reformation, at least for the modern global circumstance. We see England becoming the "black sheep" of the European family, we see the Germans with flaring nationalism and independence from the central religious power of Rome.

We see the birth of religious and scientific tolerance in Europe, and a far more individual centric mode of thought (the rebirth of liberalism kids.) We see for the first time, large numbers of people being oppressed because of their religion, and as such, the beginning of an exodus to the recently discovered "New World." Absolutism was given it's death sentence by the Protestant reformation.

I mean, the entire western world, was shaped by this.

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Not to mention, the accidental instigator of a flame war.

Not to mention, the accidental instigator of a flame war.

When was this?

Agricultural revolution, then American, then Industrial.

The AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION was the most critical revolution in human civilization. This is the only reason civilization exists. All revolutions came as a consequence of this.

The AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION was the most critical revolution in human civilization. This is the only reason civilization exists. All revolutions came as a consequence of this.

No, you're the ignorant one. THAT ISN'T AN OPTION. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

When was this?

Just comment that soon the European Early birds may come online and take exception to your arrogance soon ;)

No, you're the ignorant one. THAT ISN'T AN OPTION. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ah, but it was! "OTHER" BWAHAHAHAHA!

No, you're the ignorant one. THAT ISN'T AN OPTION. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ah, but it was! "OTHER" BWAHAHAHAHA!

Bah. At least I can spell/use English Grammar/punctuate correctly. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Just comment that soon the European Early birds may come online and take exception to your arrogance soon ;)

Excuse me? They all know they owe everything they have to the US. They just don't want to admit it. It would get in the way of their pride or whatever else. And they owe their economies to us, and thier rebuilding efforts after the Wars to American generosity, etc.

I would go with the American Revolution. It was the first revolution to embody the ideas of the Enlightenment, and although we took our sweet time doing so, we eventually got it right and made everyone free (in the US, I mean).

I would go with the American Revolution. It was the first revolution to embody the ideas of the Enlightenment, and although we took our sweet time doing so, we eventually got it right and made everyone free (in the US, I mean).

Here Here!!

Huzzah!

Go America!

O Columbia the Gem of the Ocean,
The Home of the Brave and the Free,
The Pride of each Patriot's Devotion...

Definitely the Agricultural Revolution, considering that none of the others would ever have happened had we never discovered how to domesticate crops.

OTHER it is :P

I'd actually have to say the Language revolution... without communication, there wouldn't have BEEN farms, or cities, or civilizations, etc...

I'd actually have to say the Language revolution... without communication, there wouldn't have BEEN farms, or cities, or civilizations, etc...
Hmm, maybe we should stick with revolutions that occurred in recorded history. Obviously we need language, agriculture, and communities for any sort of civilization.

The revolution where the Earth goes around the Sun. That's pretty damn important if I do say so myself.

I'd actually have to say the Language revolution... without communication, there wouldn't have BEEN farms, or cities, or civilizations, etc...

there isn't really such a thing as the language revolution. more of a multi-million year evolutionary bush of communication complexity.

the agriculutral revolution, hands down. it's the thing that allowed a tiny number of cultures to kill off and enslave nearly every other culture on the entire planent over the course of a tiny percentage of human history.

Excuse me? They all know they owe everything they have to the US. They just don't want to admit it. It would get in the way of their pride or whatever else. And they owe their economies to us, and thier rebuilding efforts after the Wars to American generosity, etc.

We don't owe u anything. the first ww was won thanks to the french and commenwealth forces. U guys showed ill-equiped and ill-trained.

ww2 is a different story. Without the US of A the war couldn't be won. But the usa couldn't have the war alone.

I suppose I made a mistake in not including the Agricultural Revolution... But it seemed to me that the tangible effects of the Agricultural Revolution were not as apparent and as clear in the mind as the other revolutions. Certainly, the results of the agricultural revolution are all around us, but perhaps it's best I left that out, then. Or else it would steamroll over all the other options!

Id say Prod Rev but no.

The American Rev may have been the first of the new age but it didnt start a trend or a fear like the Frwnch Revolution did.

Gave us The Pocket General
Changed the face of Europe.
Saved America from being obliteratd by Britain twice.

We don't owe u anything. the first ww was won thanks to the french and commenwealth forces. U guys showed ill-equiped and ill-trained.

ww2 is a different story. Without the US of A the war couldn't be won. But the usa couldn't have the war alone.
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The American Revolution i think :mp5:

Definately the Industrial Revolution, which led to the British Empire, which led to the modern world.

EDIT: WHat is the British Revolution? If you mean the English (note English, this was before the union) Civil War, then I'd put that as second highest, as it was effectively the birth of democracy.

The Protestant revolution was my choice. I say this one because the industrial revolution may not have happened without it. The Catholic hierarchy ws perfectly OK with having the masses illiterate and submitting to their every whim. It was getting out from beneath that oppression that allowed the industrial revolution to occur.

Now of course, I do recognize the flaw in my argument. If I'm to say that the Protestant revolution was the most important because it paved the way for the Industrial revolution, then why shouldn't I claim the Christian revolution as the reason the Protestant revolution occurred (and we can go further back to the Zoroastrians mingling with the Jews and so on and so forth if we want)? My answer for why I don't go that far back is simple: because I don't want to, and I don't have to.

Definately the Industrial Revolution, which led to the British Empire, which led to the modern world.

EDIT: WHat is the British Revolution? If you mean the English (note English, this was before the union) Civil War, then I'd put that as second highest, as it was effectively the birth of democracy.
D'oh! Another mistake on my part. I meant the Glorious, or Bloodless Revolution. When James II was deposed and William of Orange was placed on the throne, basically paving the way for parliamentary democracy in England by removing the element of absolutism in the monarchy. c.a. 1688, I believe.

D'oh! Another mistake on my part. I meant the Glorious, or Bloodless Revolution. When James II was deposed and William of Orange was placed on the throne, basically paving the way for parliamentary democracy in England by removing the element of absolutism in the monarchy. c.a. 1688, I believe.

Well really oliver cromwell and friends had really nail half the nails in the coffin by then, pity they where hanged.
Just for the record their England was the first Democracy in 1650-ish dont know the exact date cant be arsed to look it up, ok it was a basically a insane right wing prosestant theocracy (no king but jesus thats where it came from), and they where hung when the monarchy came back.
But just for the record, the levelers ( a sect of cromwells army) were the first democrats in the western world since athenian times id bet my pants that the 'founding fathers' read their how to book more than once.

AND PLEASE, no america won the world wars crap, you just showing you know jack crap about the histories of both.
WW1 one by the British with huge sacrifises by the french.
WW2 100% the russians, if you think im wrong you just lack the education

Well really oliver cromwell and friends had really nail half the nails in the coffin by then, pity they where hanged.

AND PLEASE, no america won the world wars crap, you just showing you know jack crap about the histories of both.
WW1 one by the British with huge sacrifises by the french.
WW2 100% the russians, if you think im wrong you just lack the education

It was a group effort in England! Let's leave it at that? Oh, by the way, those guys were crazy! Too bad they were hanged indeed! [/sarcasm]

Well, it wasn't 100% the Russians. Certainly, they were instrumental, and WWII couldn't have been won without them, but I don't believe the Russians could have dealt with Germany, Italy and Japan all at the same time. Without the U.S., Britain [and France!] dealing with the Pacific and West European and African theaters, Russia would have been done. So, again. Not 100%. 50% maybe? 40%? Every Ally was vital.

World War One was won mainly by the European Allied Powers, however, the Germans would not have been so passive near the end of the war if it had not been for the millions of Americans which would have undoubtedly flooded their lands.

World War Two was most assuredly won by the Americans. The Russians were losing in Asia against the Japanese for most of the war, and were pretty much beaten back by the Germans. With the Americans pressing in from France and Italy, Germany could not continue its onslought on Russia. America was also the main supplier of Britain; providing medical supplies, foodstuffs, weapons, and so forth. America also landed at 3 of the six beaches at Normandy, sacrificing the most troops in that battle. America was also the most powerful nation during the war due to our determination and industry.

We then rebuilt all of Western Europe AFTER BOTH WARS.

Gee...

Did all the Europeans finally see this logic and these facts? Have they gone back to their holes in the ground and begun to pluck the logs out of their eyes?

Truly marvelous indeed.

America also landed at 3 of the six beaches at Normandy, sacrificing the most troops in that battle. We then rebuilt all of Western Europe AFTER BOTH WARS.

American forces landed on 2 of the 5 beaches - utah and omaha were american, Gold-Juno-Sword were british and canadian - in normandy, you moron. And they were stupid enough to not use the specialized british tanks, hobbart's 'funnies', so that explains why they lost so many men. America could have never won the war without its allies, but that goes vice versa as well.

Gee...

Did all the Europeans finally see this logic and these facts? Have they gone back to their holes in the ground and begun to pluck the logs out of their eyes?

Truly marvelous indeed.

this is undeserved american superiority complex speaking i guess :confused:

What idiot voted for the French Revolution? That's like the war that I want both sides to win. Hell, WWII we should have just let Germany have them and then stopped them, and maybe today Burger King would serve Heineken instead of croissants.

Agricultural Revolution was pretty damned important. The Protestant Reformation had a gargantuan impact, so was the Industrial Revolution.

BTW, Athens in Ancient Greece was the first democracy (and a pretty extreme one at that), it just took some 1700 years before it was adopted by other nations.

WW1 was effectively won by the time the Americans took part, but you have to remember that the U.S. had been funneling huge sums of money to the Allied war effort for some time, so their participation was hardly incidental.

WW2 was another matter. This was the result of co-ordinated and sustained resilience, strength and ingenuity by all of the Allies. Everybody did their part. I'd say that the for winning of the war can be put down to Russia and America's involvement+the incompentence of the Axis campaign thanks to idiotic tactical decisions.

As far as I was aware - the Soviets werent even fighting the Japs until mid-1945. So how were they losing to them?

As for the Nazis, it was the US's intention to let the Nazis take out the USSR, but when that didn't happen, they decided they had better join in to avert Soviet domination of post-war Europe.

Why else would they have joined in the European theatre?

I KNEW IT WAS FIVE. DAMNED TRICK! DERNED TEACHER! Gah. I shoulda listened to the D-Day museum down in New Orleans...

Why was I suckered so?

Anyway, we had our own specialized tanks. WE voluntered to take the most heavily defended beaches. WE sent the most men. WE provided most of the attack planes. WE provided most of the ships. WE pretty much took Calais ourselves. Yes, you Europeans did help us, but we very well could have won the war without you.

But this bickering is pointless. Everyone worked together to stop the damned Nazis. We shoulda gone for the Russians too, though... Patton had the right idea... Too bad he was dismissed...

I'd have to say the American Revolution. America was the leading industrial nation when the revolution came about, and contributed greatly. America has also saved Europe's butt twice, saved the world from possible annihilation, etc...

Have you guessed I'm a patriotic Republican?

your a naive person who cannot see the big picture. I'm about as patriotic as you. Just to show you my position on patriotism, to me its not waving american flags everywhere shouting "USA USA" waving a flag and supporting every single fart George Bush makes and shooting down every kennedy that decides to breath, to me patriotism is about always wanting something better for the people of the USA and fighting to get it. Im not less patriotic cause i want better change for the people of the U.S.A.

*The Industrial Revolution...by far. Society would be dying young, and living primatively had individual rights not planted itself in Britain and America, and made the mind free and rewarded.


"The proportion of those born in London dying before five years of age" fell from 74.5 percent in 1730-49 to 31.8 percent in 1810-29.

Both the rising population and the rising life expetancy give the lie to the claims of socialist and fascist critics of capitalism that the condistion of the laboring classes were progressively deterioting during the Industrial Revolution.'---Robert Hessen

There are today on the plains of India and China mean and women, plague-ridden and hungry, living lives little better, to outward appearnce, than those of the cattle that toil with them by day and share their places of sleep by nigh. Such Asiatic standards, and such unmechanized horrors, are the lot of those who increase their numbers without passing through an industrial revolution.'----many years ago, by Professor T. S. Ashton.

Note: Before the Industrial Revolution, a large middle class hadn't exist. It literally invent it.

As far as I was aware - the Soviets werent even fighting the Japs until mid-1945. So how were they losing to them?

As for the Nazis, it was the US's intention to let the Nazis take out the USSR, but when that didn't happen, they decided they had better join in to avert Soviet domination of post-war Europe.

Why else would they have joined in the European theatre?

The Americans were actually primarily concerned with the Pacific theater; it was there that they were attacked, and there that they faced the most threat.

To be frank, I don't remember the specific reasoning behind getting into the European theter. But America was already more financially involved in the European theater than in the Pacific, so lacking a line of logic that I can give voice to, I would say that fact speaks for itself.