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Will the israelis retaliate and end the cease-fire and peace process?

Only if the palestinian leadership fail to hold Islamic Jihad militant group accountable. If they don't, Israel will.

Will the israelis retaliate and end the cease-fire and peace process?

So let me understand this correctly - the suicide bomber isn't considered an END to the cease fire?

How come only Israel is to blame?

2 different groups are claiming responsibility. :confused:

So let me understand this correctly - the suicide bomber isn't considered an END to the cease fire?

How come only Israel is to blame?
because the cease fire is with the palestinian government, not the rogue organization. The test now is if the palestinians will tolerate the terrorists. If so then the cease fire is over. The blame will fall square on the palestinians if that happens.

Well , Abu Mazen/Mohammad Abbas (pick your version) already declared he will not go into armed conflict with them

Of course they will..... damn Jews [/anti semitism]

Of course they will..... damn Jews [/anti semitism]

You just jealous we control everything

Man, talk about a lose lose situation.

You just jealous we control everything
Thats right, get out of my country [/over zealous nationalism]

Thats right, get out of my country [/over zealous nationalism]

Hehe ... Get out of our planet

Man, talk about a lose lose situation.
True, how can the Palestinian government stop the terrorists. They don't have a real army of their own, do they?

They will have their own armed forces, although Israel will protect them for any military threat...since anything that threatens them, will most likely threaten us as well.

When Abbas is dead, and the new Generation springs into Teenagerhood, there will be lots of radical changes, aside from peace, maybe they would agree to become part of Israel..with Autonomous territories.

Either way, if Abbas doesn't do something soon, You can expect a rocket attack... by at least Sunday.

True, how can the Palestinian government stop the terrorists. They don't have a real army of their own, do they?

They did say about 3 days ago that they weren't entirely ready yet to handle such random acts of violence, but Israel decided to start going lax anyway.

Yes, both sides are to blame. Palestine is being a little slow in getting ready and Israel is pushing Palestine too quickly to be ready.

So ... someone slipped through the cracks ... and *BOOM*.

I can only hope that Ariel Sharon will realize that it isn't entirely Palestine's fault.

Hehe ... Get out of our planet

Its the white mans planet [/creativity movement mode]

So let me understand this correctly - the suicide bomber isn't considered an END to the cease fire?

How come only Israel is to blame?

Because it is extremely unlikely that the suicide bomber was party to the cease-fire agreement to begin with.
Because a cease-fire is a bilateral agreement, If israel retaliates against the palestinians in general, it has broken its agreement not to attack palestinians.

here's a few links for those that havn't heard about the story yet
leftish-wing Israeli paper, HA'aretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/545139.html
canadian paper
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050225.wtela0225_2/BNStory/International/

Man, talk about a lose lose situation.

This sucks alot. Four young people dead, and a good chance that everything we've been hoping for recently is ruined. Fucking Murderers. They have to destroy their own nations hopes, as well as ours.

Will the israelis retaliate and end the cease-fire and peace process?

They allways do.

So far they haven't!

I take that as a good thing. Normally they do things immediately or one or two days after. It should be interesting.

Palestine said they would persue whoever is responsible for the attack and Both Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Marters Brigade have denied they were responsible.

It was Israeli TV that stated that they have claimed responsibility.

Either one or both groups are lying or someone else was responsible or this was just a rogue action.

So far they haven't!

I take that as a good thing. Normally they do things immediately or one or two days after. It should be interesting.

Israelis arn't really ones to wait around, and let their children go unavenged, and rightly so. However, I have high hopes for restraint in this case. Sharon has sho n maturity recently, and alot is at stake.

Israelis arn't really ones to wait around, and let their children go unavenged, and rightly so. However, I have high hopes for restraint in this case. Sharon has sho n maturity recently, and alot is at stake.

Well Abbas stated that they will persue whoever was responsible and both the groups mentioned have denied they were responsible. Israeli TV stated that Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsa Marters Brigade were responsible.

Either one or both are lying or this was a rogue individual.

"Rogue Individual???" I think not. This bomb is very typical: hit a nightclub on a friday noght when maximum innocent revellers are out. News sources are never 100%, particularly so soon after the event. And since when do we believe every word that a terrorist orginization spews? They could claim that they had nothing to do wth it all they want, its in their strategic interest to do so at the moment.

"Rogue Individual???" I think not. This bomb is very typical: hit a nightclub on a friday noght when maximum innocent revellers are out. News sources are never 100%, particularly so soon after the event. And since when do we believe every word that a terrorist orginization spews? They could claim that they had nothing to do wth it all they want, its in their strategic interest to do so at the moment.

Hey! I'm one of those that looks at all possibilities even the most remotest of ones! LOL

most remotest? :D

man :headbang:

how do you talk to a retarded, violent, sick, beast? u can't!

how do you do politics with terrorists... IS THERE A PEACEFUL SOLUTION!

holy &^%$ he is giving the land away... EVEN IF ITS NOT REALLY THIERS and still those idiots are doing this *&^% :mp5:

espesiolly when those idots are shooting while hiding behind little children.. so that when a bullet misses them and hits the child.. "ISRAEL IS SHOOTING KIDS DOWN!"

well wtf do u want??? they are the ones with CAMPS for children to learn how to kill the jewish people. :mad:

True, how can the Palestinian government stop the terrorists. They don't have a real army of their own, do they?

My question is, what are they doing in Israel? They need to argue with their real homeland, Jordan.

Yankel, this makes me angry too. Its very hard to bear, esspecially if you know it could just as well be your family, like I do. But we have to keep working and hoping, not hiding behind the other sides' faults. God knows, we've got plenty of our own

This is terrible to hear.

G-d save the innocent people that died today.

I pray Israel does not fight back, for the better of man kind, I hope we act more honourably than the palestine terrorists have.

yea i hope so to.. but you know what...

what can they do... if thier OWN children are dieing... u let ur 17 year old son go to a club one day,. and he gets KILLED! .. or his leg is ripped off...

HOW CAN THEY NOT RETALIATE! i would!

Those of you who live in Israel, what is the general mood of the Palestinian people...not the terrorist groups...just the ordinary people? I have seen videos of some of the anti-Jew propaganda aimed at the children. Is it a wide-spread hatred or is it a few radical groups?

because the cease fire is with the palestinian government, not the rogue organization. .
Then how could Israel reacting against terrorists break the cease-fire?

So let me understand this correctly - the suicide bomber isn't considered an END to the cease fire?

How come only Israel is to blame?

It's like this. Isreal hit the terrorists, Israel is to blame. The terrorists hit Isreal, Israel is to blame. Interesting situation.

Will the israelis retaliate and end the cease-fire and peace process?
Oh, I see. Despite the fact that it was a Palestinian who drew first blood, ISRAEL will end the peace process. I see now. Or is that not what you meant?

Because it is extremely unlikely that the suicide bomber was party to the cease-fire agreement to begin with.
Because a cease-fire is a bilateral agreement, If israel retaliates against the palestinians in general, it has broken its agreement not to attack palestinians.

How many suicide bombings will it take before Israel has a right to defend it's citizens?

look...there are only 13 million jewish people in the world... billions of others... you think we can win an argument?? i doubt it... Jewish people are used to be critisized, adn blamed for thing they did not do... its the way that things have always been.

:(

Those of you who live in Israel, what is the general mood of the Palestinian people...not the terrorist groups...just the ordinary people? I have seen videos of some of the anti-Jew propaganda aimed at the children. Is it a wide-spread hatred or is it a few radical groups?

When I've been In Israel, I haven't really encountered many Palestinians personally.

But according to family, it differs, some people will be just normal people, others, will hate you.

How many suicide bombings will it take before Israel has a right to defend it's citizens?


ur SOO right... i mean.. in israel... ITS VERY LIKELY for a terrorist suiside bomber from palestine... so its just as treaty break-able.

Those of you who live in Israel, what is the general mood of the Palestinian people...not the terrorist groups...just the ordinary people? I have seen videos of some of the anti-Jew propaganda aimed at the children. Is it a wide-spread hatred or is it a few radical groups?

I cannot generalize to every person, of course. There are many palestinians who don't want jews dead, do want a peacefull resolution, and and end to violence. However, the palestinian society is sick as a whole. Those videeos you saw of propaganda aimed at children are everywhere, their schools and camps glorify jihad and killing yourself while murdering innocent Israelis is the highest badge of honor their society offers. This is FAR MORE WIDESPREAD than a few radical groups. It is a matter of a society that has its values warped by an unnatural existance for decades, with its only leaders and social sponsors being people commited to violence and hate.

I cannot generalize to every person, of course. There are many palestinians who don't want jews dead, do want a peacefull resolution, and and end to violence. However, the palestinian society is sick as a whole. Those videeos you saw of propaganda aimed at children are everywhere, their schools and camps glorify jihad and killing yourself while murdering innocent Israelis is the highest badge of honor their society offers. This is FAR MORE WIDESPREAD than a few radical groups. It is a matter of a society that has its values warped by an unnatural existance for decades, with its only leaders and social sponsors being people commited to violence and hate.



u have to realize .. there are eithiopean ppl russian ppl, arabs.. etc... many diff ppl living in Israel.. plus.. everfy one of these ppl is different.. so there is NO ANSWER TO UR QUESTION.

Then how could Israel reacting against terrorists break the cease-fire?
Making sense is not appreciated in this thread. Now stop!

u have to realize .. there are eithiopean ppl russian ppl, arabs.. etc... many diff ppl living in Israel.. plus.. everfy one of these ppl is different.. so there is NO ANSWER TO UR QUESTION.
my question? :confused:

How many suicide bombings will it take before Israel has a right to defend it's citizens?
Well, it's been more than 70. And we still can't. And by we, I speak on behalf of my parents. My mom was a block away from a suicide bombing in 1975, near the campus of Hebrew University. In 1973, my dad was enlisted in the Israeli Defense Forces, and he fought the Egyptians during the Yom Kippur War. It's always been this way for Israel. Always.

Those of you who live in Israel, what is the general mood of the Palestinian people...not the terrorist groups...just the ordinary people? I have seen videos of some of the anti-Jew propaganda aimed at the children. Is it a wide-spread hatred or is it a few radical groups?
I don't live in Israel, but I can offer you this:

http://www.aish.com/Israel/articles/Palestinian_Public_Opinion_Poll.asp

75% would refuse to accept Israeli sovereignty over West Jerusalem EVEN IF East Jerusalem were to come under Palestinian sovereignty. Less than a third have any interest in a friendship between Israel and a future Palestinian state. Nearly 90% support terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.

I don't live in Israel, but I can offer you this:

http://www.aish.com/Israel/articles/Palestinian_Public_Opinion_Poll.asp
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
Here's another link:http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_josephstomb.php

It is. It really, really is.

And check out these figures:
Only 13% of Palestinians consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization.
82% consider Hamas to be "freedom fighters."
71% of Palestinians think it is a "good thing" that the Tulkarm Shahids Memorial Soccer Championship For Children was named After Abd Al-Al Baset Odeh, who murdered 30 Israelis in a suicide bombing.
Only 10% think the bombing of Israeli buses and restaurants are "acts of terrorism"
However, 84% consider attacks by Israelis against Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders to be acts of terrorism

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/ispoterror.html

And these people expect to have their own country? :confused:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/ispoterror.html
This also shows that Israeli Arabs can at least PARTIALLY be trusted. All of their answers were between those of Israeli Jews and Palestinians.

Why does it look like that the only way to achieve peace is by reducing Palestine to ashes? Sigh...I'm going to be 50 years old (I'm 15) and the headlines will be the same...

Why does it look like that the only way to achieve peace is by reducing Palestine to ashes? Sigh...I'm going to be 50 years old (I'm 15) and the headlines will be the same...
Reducing them to ashes is a bit extreme. I'm satisfied with sealing them off until they stop. No need for massacres.

This attacks cannot be by the hands of loners
they need much planning, logistics, etc..
Anyway it seems the attack was planned and executed by Hozballah and not by any Palestinian orginization operating in the Westbank or Gaza (Yes Westbank or Gaza cuz there is no such place called Palestine! the peace treaty if it will ever come will detemine where palestine will be located but up until the second you are reading this message.. there is no palestine)

Its all Britain's fault! they and their stupid empire , they tore the middle east appart , shuffled people like it was a MP3 music list

I'm Israeli and my dream is that the middle east will stand united against the EVIL that is Europe

Its all Britain's fault! they and their stupid empire , they tore the middle east appart , shuffled people like it was a MP3 music list

I'm Israeli and my dream is that the middle east will stand united against the EVIL that is Europe
You do have a point in that Britain and France sort of randomly drew figures in the sand to decide the makeup of the Middle East. They did it in Africa, too.

11. Do you support or oppose military attacks against American targets in the region?
Support 72.9
Oppose 21.7
Not sure 5.4

12. In the case of establishing an independent Palestinian State, would you view a friendship between a Palestinian and an Israeli positively?
Yes 30.7
No 64.8
Not sure 4.5

13. Do you support or oppose military attacks against Israeli targets at the present time?
Support 80.0
Oppose 15.1
Not sure 4.9

14. If you support military attacks, what should be the target of these attacks?
11.7 Support only against military targets
03.0 support only against settlers
33.1 against both military & settlers
00.4 against civilians in the 1948 proper
62.3 against all Israelis regardless

ouch. However the poll is coming from an Isreali website though. Might be biased. Either than that.. when was it taken? Nov 2000 issit?

ouch. However the poll is coming from an Isreali website though. Might be biased. Either than that.. when was it taken? Nov 2000 issit?
1. It's from a Jewish website.
2. It was conducted by a "Palestinian" University.
3. Yes, Nov. 2000. The other poll numbers are from 2003.

Well aparently it is Islamic Jihad that was behind the attack on the nightclub in Tel Aviv:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148832,00.html

Also of note, the Palestinian Authority made two arrests in connection with the attack:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148826,00.html

wow .. FOX NEWS... like that a good source.

wow .. FOX NEWS... like that a good source.

Just because you have a bias against Fox News, doesn't mean I can't use them as a source. But if you insist:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/26/telaviv.explosion/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4301447.stm

It would appear part of Islamic Jihad carried out the attack. Note that I said part of the organisation, not all of it. According to that, it's the part of Islamic Jihad which is based in Syria which is responsible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4301447.stm

It would appear part of Islamic Jihad carried out the attack. Note that I said part of the organisation, not all of it. According to that, it's the part of Islamic Jihad which is based in Syria which is responsible.

Based in Syria? My God in heaven. What shall we do with Syria now?

Just because you have a bias against Fox News, doesn't mean I can't use them as a source. But if you insist:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/26/telaviv.explosion/index.html

ROFL,LMAO:

CNN is just as biased as FN...as any American 'Nooze' source - they're all inherently conservative, and they all toe the cheerleading line of misinformation, non-reporting, and willfull dereliction of their supposed journalistic integrity/duty to themselves, their society, and the world-at-large.

ROFL,LMAO:

CNN is just as biased as FN...as any American 'Nooze' source - they're all inherently conservative, and they all toe the cheerleading line of misinformation, non-reporting, and willfull dereliction of their supposed journalistic integrity/duty to themselves, their society, and the world-at-large.

I don't consider CNN conservative by any stretches of the imagination. Besides, there is a BIG Difference between REPORTING NEWS and the COMMENTARY!! Commentary is bias but the Reporting is not. And that goes for All networks

I don't consider CNN conservative by any stretches of the imagination. Besides, there is a BIG Difference between REPORTING NEWS and the COMMENTARY!! Commentary is bias but the Reporting is not. And that goes for All networks

Well of course an American wouldn't find CNN to be conservative, but that has less to do with network bias, and more to do with the innately conservative skew of the American political spectrum.

It's hard to know when they're reporting, and when they're editorializing, as they seem to enjoy mixing the two rather freely, and interspersing all of it with non-news items (product promotions disguised as 'news' items are a prime example).

ROFL,LMAO:

CNN is just as biased as FN...as any American 'Nooze' source - they're all inherently conservative, and they all toe the cheerleading line of misinformation, non-reporting, and willfull dereliction of their supposed journalistic integrity/duty to themselves, their society, and the world-at-large.

SHow us an article of unbiased news source then, almighty lord.

Well of course an American wouldn't find CNN to be conservative, but that has less to do with network bias, and more to do with the innately conservative skew of the American political spectrum.

All I can say is whatever. Judging by your posts on these forums, these are the type of posts I've come to expect.

It's hard to know when they're reporting, and when they're editorializing, as they seem to enjoy mixing the two rather freely, and interspersing all of it with non-news items (product promotions disguised as 'news' items are a prime example).

I'm able to tell the difference. Reporting is when it first breaks. They report it constently. Commentary is when they have guests on to talk about it. Surprised you didn't know this. As for interspersing it with non-news Items, yea that can get annoying. I'll agree with you on that line.

because the cease fire is with the palestinian government, not the rogue organization. The test now is if the palestinians will tolerate the terrorists. If so then the cease fire is over. The blame will fall square on the palestinians if that happens.
It's up to the palestinian government to crack down on their terrorists. If they can't or won't Israel is totally justified in rolling in with helicopter gunships, tanks and troops and solving the problem themselves.

True, how can the Palestinian government stop the terrorists. They don't have a real army of their own, do they?
Yeah, actually they do. They have security forces and police.

Yeah, actually they do. They have security forces and police.
Well at least someone knows something.

look...there are only 13 million jewish people in the world... billions of others... you think we can win an argument?? i doubt it... Jewish people are used to be critisized, adn blamed for thing they did not do... its the way that things have always been.

:(
You have friends.

You have friends.
I will agree but disagree we do get blmaed for a lot, but this person needs a hug.