NationStates Jolt Archive

Sorry, I must highjack your thread.

Had to make it a poll.

whats not to like?

Republicans! :p

I love it in America. THere is no other country on Earth where I would rather live.

For the most part the US is a great place to live, its just that the current administration sucks. And all you Europeans out there, remember, only about half of us elected GW, so don't hate all of us just because a chimp managed to fight his way into the white house.

I no longer recognize the country I experienced as a child...there are times where I feel like I live in a dictatorship. :(

No option on the poll for non americans. I see, we're not wanted.
*wanders off into a corner and looks depressed*

I realize the question is simple present and I live in Japan but, yeah, its a good country to live in. When your poor have electricity and vcr's then your country ain't in such bad shape.

I no longer recognize the country I experienced as a child...there are times where I feel like I live in a dictatorship. :(
Wow, how old are you? Have things really changed for the average Americans that much?

Short answer - no



...



Long answer - NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

It's great, but as was said before: Our current administration is shit. Mr. Bush is trying to dismantle welfare, and it looks as if he wants to raise taxes (even though he was the anti-tax advocate).

He's a moron and a hypocrite, and that's pretty much all that's wrong with the U.S...

...And don't forget about the South.

There is no country I'd rather live in. The U.S. is definitely home to me. I love the divers geography, the combination of cultures, the genuinely benevolent people here.

I recognize that the country has many flaws and that not everyone here is benevolent. In fact, there are major problems and the country is declining morally, governmentally and geographically, IMO, but it is still my home as much as any country on this earth can be, and I will do everything in my power to make it a better place, though I long for a more perfect Home someday.

"In fact, there are major problems and the country is declining morally, governmentally and geographically...

...but it is still my home and I will do everything in my power to make it a better place."

How so, and what do you mean?

I no longer recognize the country I experienced as a child...there are times where I feel like I live in a dictatorship. :(

heh heh heh ehehehehehe *wiping a tear from the corner of my eye*

They bother me now and then...

I'm not pro-bush or pro-dems.

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but here, unless I see a more radical change. I do have fears it will go that way, but I've yet to physically see that.

I guess I like it here, but i live in a shitty neighborhood where it wouldnt matter if it was america or vietnam. I dont like rich bitches who never had to work a day in their lives. Most of them are here in america.

do I like living here? it used to be better but I still like it. I would like to see changes made for the better rather than regress 50 years.

are there worse places to live? oh yeah

are there better places to live? sure

I have a bad feeling that shit is going to hit the fan in the US in the not so distant future. Actually the whole world will probably find itself in chaos but I think it's mostly going to be centered in the US. I don't think I want to be here for that. I plan to move to a less right-wing nation in about 5 years with a lot of country where I can farm my way thru existence while the shit splatters all over. Maybe I can use what comes my way for fertilizer.

I still wouldn't live anywhere else. Yes, there are things that bug me, and yes, I can say that I don't find much at all to admire about our current administration, but the country has been in worse shape, and there's always room for improvement.

The beauty of America is it's founded on "Love it or change it" (not "love it or leave it" as some toothless wife-beating beer-swilling bubbas would have you believe) so, you can be sure, that everything wrong with it today will be right again in very short order.

No, I hate living in the US. Everyone here thinks sex and socialism are evil.

Wow, how old are you? Have things really changed for the average Americans that much?

No, they haven't. With the exception of the Patriot Act (which isn't that bad, no matter what the media tells you), we are as free as we have been since the 1930's.

No, I hate living in the US. Everyone here thinks sex and socialism are evil.

I take it you've never met any Democrats?

No option on the poll for non americans. I see, we're not wanted.
*wanders off into a corner and looks depressed*
Thank you for not inserting a snide comment. Anyway, I'll say it. I'm liberal and I love America. I know it's hard for some conservatives to grasp, but try anyway. I'm liberal and I love America.

Yes, but only because Massachusetts is part of America. If we seceded and joined Canada tomorrow, I'd like living in Canada.

I take it you've never met any Democrats?
I sure hope that was a joke.

Yes, but only because Massachusetts is part of America. If we seceded and joined Canada tomorrow, I'd like living in Canada.
Massachusetts is a hell of a place isn't it? I was just at Jillian's today near Fenway. Have you gone there?

No, I hate living in the US. Everyone here thinks sex and socialism are evil.

:rolleyes:

No, I hate living in the US. Everyone here thinks sex and socialism are evil.

Even though I live in the South, deep in the "red states," and in the heart of ignorant, warmongering, conservative America, I have yet to meet anyone who thinks sex is evil or has anything greater than an intellectual dislike of socialism. In fact, most of the people at my school think it's good (socialism I mean; we're in high school, of course we like sex :D ).

Not to mention that those in the Red States are out reproducing those in the Blue states. If we can not destroy liberalism and the Democratic party through voting we will breed it out.

I like living where I am, although I would pefer if there were a few less Dems around. So hard to have an intelligent conversation now a days. As the saying goes

If you Under 25 and an Conservative you have no heart
If you are over 25 and an Democrat then you need to grow the f%$k up!

ntm that Democrats are nothing more than useful idiots.

liberalism :mp5: democrats :sniper: :gundge: how much fun would that be ;)

Massachusetts is a hell of a place isn't it? I was just at Jillian's today near Fenway. Have you gone there?

Isn't it spelled Gillian's?? And yes, I've been there, of course. My brother, before he got shipped out to Iraq, went to BU, so I was down there all the time visiting.

Actually when they are done re:educating me, my plan is to move to Bosnia-Hercegovina and work as a medical translator. I have it all planned out. I lived through the tail end of the McCarthy Era and that was pretty terrible, the Viet-Nam era and that kind of sucked, but this is beyond all that. Especially I can't stand to turn on the radio. Back in the 70s I couldn't stand to turn on the radio because there was no music, only recorded sounds from orgies. Now the music is better, at least there is choice but talk radio in this country makes me sick. I want to ethnically cleanse Sean Hanity, Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage, along with two local yokels I am not going to name. It used to be if you didn't like what was on the radio, you could turn the dial, and have something completely different, that is not so anymore. There have always been trashy commentators but there used to at least be a choice of types of sleazy commentators. You want the truth? There are more people who use their brains on both sides of the divide on Nation States than other places. I think it might be that there's people from other places that are not subjected to hours of relentless brainwashing.

If you Under 25 and an Conservative you have no heart
If you are over 25 and an Democrat then you need to grow the f%$k up!

ntm that Democrats are nothing more than useful idiots.

liberalism :mp5: democrats :sniper: :gundge: how much fun would that be ;)

who needs to grow up now?

Yes, indeed most people in America...

look, Americans are all different. Just like everyone else. I am sure a Rwandan would like to live in America. I'm sure an AMerican wold love to live in Canada or Sweden, and the other way around.

Some people feel that the government is becoming oppressive and taking away rights. Some see no change. In every direction, people are stupid and people are smart. So it does not matter.

I love America so much that I bless the ground everyday before leaving and then I eat the dirt in a ceremonial way while blessing it. And then everytime I look up at the bright blue skies, I bless them. And when I see those snow-white clouds in the sky, I bless them. And when I see an ant on the sweet ground of freedom, I bless it. If I could, I'd mate with the land.

who needs to grow up now?
No kidding.

I take it you've never met any Democrats?

They aren't socialist, though they tend to be much more reasonable on the issue of sex than republicans.

No, I hate living in the US. Everyone here thinks sex and socialism are evil.

Socialism (read: legalized theft) is evil.

Now while I dont live in the States at the moment, when I do live there(in between posts, about every 3-4 years) it's nice. Now, while It isn't the best place to live, it's not some shit-hole like Somalia. It's actually quite nice(if you look past our screwed-up political system).

Socialism (read: legalized theft) is evil.


Yer right, RB. Socialism is just Communism Lite(or Diet Communism for you Americans who don't know what they call diet sodas in most other countries).

I grew up as an American and, despite the heterogeneous nature of my nation, there is no where else quite like it. I could go to England, or France, or Germany, or Japan [though that'd be tough], or India... But their customs, their beliefs, their history and in all but one of those countries their language is different as well.

What I'm saying is, not only do I like it here, but...

I GOT NO WHERE ELSE TO GO!

P.S. - No way am I going to Canada. Hate the cold.

Socialism (read: legalized theft) is evil.

Yes, I don't know how anyone can rationalize the forced theft of another man's effort. Again, for all those whom might reply,...no one physically forces you to work...it's completely your choice.

For the most part the US is a great place to live, its just that the current administration sucks. And all you Europeans out there, remember, only about half of us elected GW, so don't hate all of us just because a chimp managed to fight his way into the white house.

that dosn't count much for europe, less than 30% of the UK voted for blair

Some part of me, wants those whom support socialist ideals to move to Canada...Slowly though...so America can be a competition between the libertarians and conservatives (which it once was to some degree). Personally, I don't think the libertarians stand a chance at this point, but I, like many others, feel that we're somewhere in between the positions of a conservative and libertarian. That would be highly marketable, imo. Such a party doesn't exist...yet.

that dosn't count much for europe, less than 30% of the UK voted for blair

Yeah, but in the US, we only have two political parties (good and bad sides to that), so each party's going to get a larger percentage of the vote compared to parties in a country with six different parties (I don't know how many Britain has, I just picked six arbitrarily. Some may call me ignorant of other countries, but I can't vote there, so why should I learn? That's how I look at it. And I'm too tired to keep typing. I need to stop before this post loses all semblance of coherent thought)

They aren't socialist, though they tend to be much more reasonable on the issue of sex than republicans.

ok kids you might want to try abstinence but while your thinking about that pass around these condoms

the problem with democrats aproach to sex ed is that they can't understand teenagers not having sex

Yeah, but in the US, we only have two political parties (good and bad sides to that), so each party's going to get a larger percentage of the vote compared to parties in a country with six different parties (I don't know how many Britain has, I just picked six arbitrarily. Some may call me ignorant of other countries, but I can't vote there, so why should I learn? That's how I look at it. And I'm too tired to keep typing. I need to stop before this post loses all semblance of coherent thought)

oh I understand that indeed, but the argument that only 52% of us voted for bush isn't going to mean much over there

...so America can be a competition between the libertarians and conservatives (which it once was to some degree).

Yeah, back in the good ole days, before the Civil War when States' Rights died.

Not saying the CivilWar was bad, I'm just saying...yeah. Federal Government=bad.

As an American who has spent many years living in other countries and amoung other peoples, I'll have to say categorically that America has serious issues.

The people of other first world countries are quite often more trusting and friendly than the people of America; their literacy rates are higher; their healthcare systems are accessible to a larger segment of the population; their education systems prior to college are more comprehensive; their upper classes don't wage class warfare as heavily in terms of incarcerating huge segments of the population for non-violent offenses.

In short, America had great promise in the 70's for taking care of her people, and it has fallen far short of the dream.

If you are a person who does not wish to have institutionalized killing through capital punishment; randomly bomb third world nations; or abuse your populace with repressive laws then America is not the place for you.

The last four years indicate more degredation of public morals than one could have imagined possible.

If you are a person for whom abusing your fellow citizens, getting ahead at all costs, and dominating the world gets you off, then America is a great place.

oh I understand that indeed, but the argument that only 52% of us voted for bush isn't going to mean much over there

I think I see what you're saying. But I'm too tired to carry on intelligent conversation right now, as it's one in the morning here, so I'll take your word for it. :p

Not saying the CivilWar was bad, I'm just saying...yeah. Federal Government=bad.

it was the sacrafice we had to make to become a world power

though domestic life would be a lot better off with out we'd still be a seccond rate nation

I think I see what you're saying. But I'm too tired to carry on intelligent conversation right now, as it's one in the morning here, so I'll take your word for it. :p

get that REM

The last four years indicate more degredation of public morals than one could have imagined possible.

please remember, for every 47 people that side with you there are 52 that take the opposite stance

you statment is purely opinion

As an American who has spent many years living in other countries and amoung other peoples, I'll have to say categorically that America has serious issues.

The people of other first world countries are quite often more trusting and friendly than the people of America; their literacy rates are higher; their healthcare systems are accessible to a larger segment of the population; their education systems prior to college are more comprehensive; their upper classes don't wage class warfare as heavily in terms of incarcerating huge segments of the population for non-violent offenses.

In short, America had great promise in the 70's for taking care of her people, and it has fallen far short of the dream.

If you are a person who does not wish to have institutionalized killing through capital punishment; randomly bomb third world nations; or abuse your populace with repressive laws then America is not the place for you.

The last four years indicate more degredation of public morals than one could have imagined possible.

If you are a person for whom abusing your fellow citizens, getting ahead, and dominating the world gets you off, then America is a great place.

Care to offer anything to back that up? Of course we have problems, every country does, but we're not a fucking fascist police state, okay?

Guess what. Capital punishment is not institutionalized killing. It is, as the name suggests, punishment for a crime. Institutionalized killing is death camps in Nazi Germany or the USSR. I do not support death camps. I do not support war without cause. I do not support oppressive government laws. Yet, I still would rather live in America than anywhere else. Your logical process is deeply flawed.

it was the sacrafice we had to make to become a world power

though domestic life would be a lot better off with out we'd still be a seccond rate nation

I know what you mean. Often I find myself wishing we still followed the Monroe Doctrine (world doesn't mess with us, we don't mess with the world).

Yeah, back in the good ole days, before the Civil War when States' Rights died.

Not saying the CivilWar was bad, I'm just saying...yeah. Federal Government=bad.

I have mixed feeling about the Civil War. I don't know think either side did the right thing or had the right intentions. To some point, it had more to do with the failings of the founders, than anything.

No, they haven't. With the exception of the Patriot Act (which isn't that bad, no matter what the media tells you), we are as free as we have been since the 1930's.
Except for the "war on drugs", police cars disguised as "normal" cars (can you say Gestapo?), traffic light cameras, ever increasingly restrictive gun control (can you say Krystal Nacht?), CARNIVORE, the PATRIOT Act (which is entirely unconstitutional, regardless of whether it's "that bad" or not). Need I continue?

As far as the PATRIOT Act goes, it's freakin scary. It gives the government the ability to completely susped ALL of your constitutionally guaranteed rights if they decide that you're a terrorist. Since when is it OK for government to have such powers?

I know what you mean. Often I find myself wishing we still followed the Monroe Doctrine (world doesn't mess with us, we don't mess with the world).

I don't know about his Doctrine, although I'll bookmark it....I like the idea that if the 'world doesn't mess with us, we don't mess with the world.' Wish it was that easy, though. For some reason, I think we would still have an 'enemy', even if it wasn't a terrorist. Something would be the next threat for us to conqueur...the neverending list.

I have mixed feeling about the Civil War. I don't know think either side did the right thing or had the right intentions. To some point, it had more to do with the failings of the founders, than anything.

More the failings of the Federal Government, I think. Maybe someone should start a discussion thread, but I think, and I know most people will say WTF!, but I think the Confederacy was (arguably) in the right. Not in their support of slavery (which was dying in the South, and opposed by as many as a quarter to a third of the population, I've read), but in their fight for States' Rights.

The Civil War was not fought about ending slavery, though that was an end result (sort of like how Iraq was not fought to bring democracy to that country, but that was an end result). The Civil War was fought because the Southern States were tired of the government in Washington telling them what they could and couldn't do inside their own States (you have to remember that before the Civil War, the states were almost true States, and were quasi-independent of one another).

Meh, that's my confusing and circuitous rant for the night...signing off.

Not to mention that those in the Red States are out reproducing those in the Blue states. If we can not destroy liberalism and the Democratic party through voting we will breed it out.

I like living where I am, although I would pefer if there were a few less Dems around. So hard to have an intelligent conversation now a days. As the saying goes

If you Under 25 and an Conservative you have no heart
If you are over 25 and an Democrat then you need to grow the f%$k up!

ntm that Democrats are nothing more than useful idiots.

liberalism :mp5: democrats :sniper: :gundge: how much fun would that be ;)
Are the bolded comments an explanation for your post? Lack of practise type thing? :rolleyes:

Care to offer anything to back that up? Of course we have problems, every country does, but we're not a fucking fascist police state, okay?

Guess what. Capital punishment is not institutionalized killing. It is, as the name suggests, punishment for a crime. Institutionalized killing is death camps in Nazi Germany or the USSR. I do not support death camps. I do not support war without cause. I do not support oppressive government laws. Yet, I still would rather live in America than anywhere else. Your logical process is deeply flawed.

If you don't know what the words "institution" and "killing" mean and can't decipher their applicability to a flawed legal system which unjustly applies that punishment to a racial minority, then I have no ability to help you see the light.

In fact America is becoming a fascist police state in virtually every sense of the word. How else can one justify waging war on your populace based on a warped sense of Christian morals?

How far away from racial purity is making homosexuality a crime ? How far down the path to an "enlightened state" does funding religious institutions with tax dollars take you ?

I've studied my history - I know that the desire of social engineering is to remake society in your image of an ideal state at all costs. This is what the Bush Administration has sought to do.

Wherein for true social decency does the "Defense of Marriage Act" lie ? or mandatory minimums for non-violent drug possession offenses? or the repression of public speech enacted by the FCC ?

The Bush Administration is exactly everything that is wrong in America: it is brutish, manipulative, disingenuous social engineering.

And once you've looked at the social engineering being invoked by this fringe movement you can move into their expansionist policies in foreign relations which unjustly kill tens of thousands of people.

Or perhaps you'd like to look at the economic policies for the Bush Administration which has grown the scope and power of the federal government to the largest levels in the history of the nation ?

Or perhaps you'd like to seek consolation in the civil liberties which are being inappropriately stripped from your countrymen by using the "fear of terrorism"?

The proof is provided to the American people on a daily basis regarding the unconstrained hatred of heterogeneity that is the Bush Administration.

Perhaps the attacks on your personal freedoms doesn't strike you as important yet. For those who spend time in jail, or are denied basic freedoms it is a hellscape.

Who will save you when your freedoms go?

Except for the "war on drugs", police cars disguised as "normal" cars (can you say Gestapo?),

the police have done that forever, can you say under cover?

traffic light cameras,

your constitutional right to go through red lights?

the PATRIOT Act (which is entirely unconstitutional, regardless of whether it's "that bad" or not).

your constitutional right not to have your phone tapped?

i think this poll is biased unless you have lived in another country during your life...

I don't know about his Doctrine, although I'll bookmark it....I like the idea that if the 'world doesn't mess with us, we don't mess with the world.' Wish it was that easy, though. For some reason, I think we would still have an 'enemy', even if it wasn't a terrorist. Something would be the next threat for us to conqueur...the neverending list.

Monroe Doctrine, 1820 (i think): The United States declared that it not allow continued European imperialism in the Western Hemisphere, and though we would respect current colonies (i.e. Canada), the attempt to create any new ones, or bring any North or South American state under the influence of a European crown would result in a declaration of war by the United States against the offending nation.

So basically, as long as Europe (in 1820 they were pretty much the only people worth addressing) left us alone, we'd leave them alone.

your constitutional right not to have your phone tapped?

right to privacy.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment number 4

The proof is provided to the American people on a daily basis regarding the unconstrained hatred of heterogeneity that is the Bush Administration.

Who will save you when your freedoms go?

By 'unconstrained hatred' do you mean the majority of the voters electing to office. The first majority victory since Bush, Sr.?

The Second Amendment, my friend.

I will provide a more thorough dissection of your points tomorrow sometime.

Care to offer anything to back that up? Of course we have problems, every country does, but we're not a fucking fascist police state, okay?

Guess what. Capital punishment is not institutionalized killing.
Are you suggesting that capital punishment isnt killing, or that it isnt institutionalised? I dont see that it isnt both of these things, I'd be interested to know how you can have managed to convince yourself otherwise.

It is, as the name suggests, punishment for a crime.
And so....are you implying that insitutionalised and/or killing have such (a) meaning/s and only such (a) meaning/s as to exclude them being applicable either seperately or together, to punishment and/or punishment for crime? Personally I dont see it.

Institutionalized killing is death camps in Nazi Germany or the USSR.
Apples are fruit, does that mean bananas are not fruit?

I do not support death camps. I do not support war without cause. I do not support oppressive government laws. Yet, I still would rather live in America than anywhere else. Your logical process is deeply flawed.
Unless the last assertion is a self reference..... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]More the failings of the Federal Government, I think. Maybe someone should start a discussion thread, but I think, and I know most people will say WTF!, but I think the Confederacy was (arguably) in the right. Not in their support of slavery (which was dying in the South, and opposed by as many as a quarter to a third of the population, I've read), but in their fight for States' Rights.

No, I know what your saying. I've read a great deal into both sides of the story. They were both wrong, and they were both right...but in odd ways. If the Confederacy dismissed slavery, which it intended on doing...then it would be whole different story. Although they lost a major battle and the British government felt it wouldn't be wise to recognize the Confederacy as a government.

Many of the Southern leaders, especially Davis, desired to return to the union...although under peaceful circumstances.

The Civil War was not fought about ending slavery,

Partially untrue. There were many reasons, and that was a factor. Lincoln offered slavery in the consitution, so he had no real intent on getting rid of it. He did want to limit it in the west, which many people disliked. It wasn't the primary reason for war, though...


The Civil War was fought because the Southern States were tired of the government in Washington telling them what they could and couldn't do inside their own States (you have to remember that before the Civil War, the states were almost true States, and were quasi-independent of one another).

That pretty much generalize their difference with Lincoln. Lincoln wasn't anything like politicians ten years before him. He was radically different.

Meh, that's my confusing and circuitous rant for the night...signing off.

Good night, chief. I might bring up this topic in a thread.

If you don't know what the words "institution" and "killing" mean and can't decipher their applicability to a flawed legal system which unjustly applies that punishment to a racial minority, then I have no ability to help you see the light.

maybe if cerial murderer counted as a radical minority youd have something there..............

In fact America is becoming a fascist police state in virtually every sense of the word. How else can one justify waging war on your populace based on a warped sense of Christian morals?

war on our populace? I can see how people oppose Bush's views on homosexuality and the way hes combating terrorist but this is far from a "war on our populace"

How far away from racial purity is making homosexuality a crime ?

or decriminalising homosexuality as was done last year?????????

How far down the path to an "enlightened state" does funding religious institutions with tax dollars take you ?

pretty flippen enlightened seeing as how we were funding the charitable arms of those religious institutions, not the institutions themselves

I've studied my history - I know that the desire of social engineering is to remake society in your image of an ideal state at all costs. This is what the Bush Administration has sought to do.

mkay, and whats wrong with that?

Wherein for true social decency does the "Defense of Marriage Act" lie ?

in a Christian one

or mandatory minimums for non-violent drug possession offenses?

in one beset by a drug epidemic

or the repression of public speech enacted by the FCC ?

in one where that right is being drastically abused on technicalities

The Bush Administration is exactly everything that is wrong in America: it is brutish, manipulative, disingenuous social engineering.

or very honest social engineering, if you look at Bush's retoric you'll find hes very stright forward about these things, no one is trying to cover this up

And once you've looked at the social engineering being invoked by this fringe movement you can move into their expansionist policies in foreign relations which unjustly kill tens of thousands of people.

fringe movements usually don't take home 52% of the popular vote

Or perhaps you'd like to look at the economic policies for the Bush Administration which has grown the scope and power of the federal government to the largest levels in the history of the nation ?

????????????????????????????no, that would have been under FDR

Or perhaps you'd like to seek consolation in the civil liberties which are being inappropriately stripped from your countrymen by using the "fear of terrorism"?

I'd rather see that than another 5,000 of them dead

The proof is provided to the American people on a daily basis regarding the unconstrained hatred of heterogeneity that is the Bush Administration.

? you just lost me there

Perhaps the attacks on your personal freedoms doesn't strike you as important yet. For those who spend time in jail, or are denied basic freedoms it is a hellscape.

you mean the terrorists, I'm more than happy they now have to deal with a "hellscape"

Who will save you when your freedoms go?

the police?

right to privacy.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment number 4

UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, key word there

By 'unconstrained hatred' do you mean the majority of the voters electing to office. The first majority victory since Bush, Sr.?


Do not confuse the premise that because 270 electoral votes are cast in an election for two men, that all the policies ever enacted, and ever to be enacted by those two men are automatically sanctioned by even 52% of the country.

A weak alternative candidate, an uncertain future, stirred hatred for homosexuals, dirty campaigning, etc. etc. does not a mandate of public opinion make.

In fact, Bush has seen the worst approval ratings as an elected second term president for a reason: he was not ushered into office on the grand wishes of a thankful populace. The opposite in fact.

Certainly there are a minority of people for whom Bush's Social Re-Engineering of America into his homogeneous Christian Police State approve of his methods and goals. To them, I have nothing but disdain - for they are the very same quality of minds that have traditionally occupied the role of oppressors.

For the people for whom changing horses in midstream struck them as a bad idea; who felt that Kerry did not appeal to them personally; for whom Bush's bad policies were not well researched - I feel for them. These are the countrymen who will realize, with time, the mistake they have made in putting the petty tyrant back in power.

The lack of a substantial opposition movement in America is no excuse for the brutal treatment of her citizens by the Federal Government. Bigotry, laxity and ignorance are the tools of the Bush Administration - and they use them well.

America is in a grave state and only thoughtful, direct disobedience to the crimes being perpetrated upon the American people in the guise of Christian Social Re-Engineering will assist in her recovery.

What I do not know is whether the great bear of social liberty will awaken to retake its den, or it slumbers.

It's not a bad place to live, but i haven't lived anywhere else so I choose "It's okay, but I would go to a better place if there was one" just in case.

For the most part the US is a great place to live, its just that the current administration sucks. And all you Europeans out there, remember, only about half of us elected GW, so don't hate all of us just because a chimp managed to fight his way into the white house.


Well, don't forget that less than half of us elected old 'Blue Dress' Bill Clinton. Unlike our current leader, Mr. Ejaculation never won >50% of the vote. If I can tolerate 8 years of that Arkansas hillbilly, then you can tolerate 8 years of the Texas hillbilly.

People keep calling Pres. Bush 'chimp', 'idiot', etc, but he continues to step all over the Dimocrats. When somebody tells me they are just a good ol' boy, I put one hand on my wallet, because they tend to be the smartest folks around. John F. Kerry thought Bush was an idiot, but now feels like he bent over to pick up the soap in a prison shower.

See, that's the great thing about America. No matter who wins an election, the Constitution provides for eventual change in the Presidency, even as it guarantees that the fundamentals (i.e. the Bill of Rights) remain the same. Let's face it, America's founding fathers were a bunch of guys with 150+ IQ's. The stuff they thought up (and the stuff they borrowed from the Europeans et al) continues to stand the test of time

I believe the true measure of a country's worth lies in the net immigration it experiences. I'll bet anyone here that the U.S. attracts more people than it repels, year after year.

America can be a cruel country, but if you are made of stern stuff, it will reward your hard work. For those looking for the mediocrity of a 'sure thing', head for some pinko socialist worker's paradise. For those looking to wring the most they can from life, welcome to America. Remember, our country attracts aggressive, hard-charging people. Is it any wonder we tend to shove the rest of the world around a bit?

The funny thing is, the average American could not point out Europe on a map, much less give $0.02 what Europeans think of us. In contrast, I'd bet the Average European is obsessed with America and fulminates constantly about the power we wield. My favorite past-time is watching the French squirm as McDonald's and EuroDisney undermine their culture. Those poor bastards never recovered from the whipping the Germans handed them in 1940. Well, fear not. We Americans have no interest in actively dominating the world. We're too busy living long lives with a high standard of living.

Any inferiority that the rest of the world feels is generated outside the U.S. If we ever take an active dislike to your country, you'll be the first to know it. America will continue to rise while the rest of you slide into our orbit. The only country that stood a chance of going toe to toe with us was the USSR, and now they are on the ash heap of history. So, sit back and enjoy the ride, and brush up on your English. You'll need it.

I hate living in America. It sucks. Even worse, I can't do anything about it because I'm stuck with my parents and I'm 20. :(

Do not confuse the premise that because 270 electoral votes are cast in an election for two men, that all the policies ever enacted, and ever to be enacted by those two men are automatically sanctioned by even 52% of the country.

or you know, it might mean they have a majority

A weak alternative candidate, an uncertain future, stirred hatred for homosexuals, dirty campaigning, etc. etc. does not a mandate of public opinion make.

but 52% does

In fact, Bush has seen the worst approval ratings as an elected second term president for a reason: he was not ushered into office on the grand wishes of a thankful populace. The opposite in fact.

could I get a source on that?

Certainly there are a minority of people for whom Bush's Social Re-Engineering of America into his homogeneous Christian Police State approve of his methods and goals. To them, I have nothing but disdain - for they are the very same quality of minds that have traditionally occupied the role of oppressors.

have you ever heard president Bush speak? like, at all? do you even know what any of his goals are?

I have seen no motions for a "homogeneous Christian Police State" and believe me - if that was the plan I would have gotten that memo a few years ago

For the people for whom changing horses in midstream struck them as a bad idea; who felt that Kerry did not appeal to them personally; for whom Bush's bad policies were not well researched - I feel for them. These are the countrymen who will realize, with time, the mistake they have made in putting the petty tyrant back in power.

or maybe they felt like they shouldn't give 60% of their income to the government

The lack of a substantial opposition movement in America is no excuse for the brutal treatment of her citizens by the Federal Government. Bigotry, laxity and ignorance are the tools of the Bush Administration - and they use them well.

democratic party?

America is in a grave state and only thoughtful, direct disobedience to the crimes being perpetrated upon the American people in the guise of Christian Social Re-Engineering will assist in her recovery.

throw out our tax rebates?

What I do not know is whether the great bear of social liberty will awaken to retake its den, or it slumbers.

the "great bear of social liberty" is really that of Christian morallity

we live in a Christian country, hear the roar

could I get a source on that?

(snip)

we live in a Christian country, hear the roar

On the other hand, as Larry J. Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, points out, "President Bush has the lowest, beginning-of-term approval rating of any White House occupant since polls have been taken, starting in the mid-1930s." However, Sabato also notes, "Bush backers are relatively intense and will probably stay by his side." from: Washington Times Op/Ed (http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050204-092026-3726r.htm)

It is of no surprise to me that the facts of Bush's ascendancy, goals and, indeed, his popularity would be unknown to a person of your obvious political inclinations.

You just keep praying, nodding and smiling. The rest of us have work to do.

yes i live in America, but theres too many f***ed up politicans

Schrandtopia, you are my new best friend. :D