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Was the U.S government involved in 9/11? There are many unanswered questions to ask about 9/11. Why did the World Trade Center Collapse from a fire caused by Jet fuel? Jet fuel burns at around 650 degrees Fahrenheit; jet fuel is nothing but refined kerosene. It takes an excess of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit to melt steel. The fire at the World Trade Center was oxygen starved low heat fire that’s why so much black smoke was coming out of the tower high heat fires burn much cleaner. There has never been a steel structured skyscraper to collapse from a fire in history just look at the recent fire in the Skyscraper in Madrid it burned for days and it was still standing. Many people say that there were separate explosions in the twin towers after the plane hit to see a video go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/220205moreevidence.htm .

Why was NORAD told to stand down Myers, current Chairman Joint Chiefs, who allegedly told NORAD to stand down on September 11, 2001 and not intercept airplanes headed for the World Trade Center.)

In his column called "The Secret Life of John Negroponte; Brady Bond Scam Redux; Why Did NORAD Stand Down on 9/11?," political and military analyst Al Martin asks the question -- why wasn't General Richard Myers called to testify before the 9/11 Coverup Commission? And more importantly why was NORAD told to stand down?

Retired Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" writes, "The 9-11 Debacle continues. Interim FBI Director Thomas Pickard and former FBI Director Louis Freeh talked about the infamous 1998 FBI memo, wherein the FBI said it had intelligence and recognized the possible threat of domestic airliners being hijacked by terrorist groups and then crashed into office buildings. Thomas Pickard had mentioned this because it was a memorandum that had later been given to John Ashcroft.

Why was nobody fired after 9/11 George Tenett the CIA director stayed on long after 9/11 Condeleeza Rice was eventually promoted to secretary of state. There were no disciplinary actions taken against any of the military commanders responsible for our security on 9/11. Isn’t it nice to know that people whose job it was to protect us were promoted after sleeping on the job during the worst attack on America’s history.

I believe that Al Qaeda (otherwise known as the CIA) carried out the 9/11 attacks in order to destroy our Constitution through legislation like the Patriot Act and the Victory Act and most recently a National ID card through the states that was passed last December. Why does the Government pass the above legislation that shreds most of our Constitution but refuses to secure the southern border with Mexico? Why are Americans getting a National ID card while illegal Aliens from Mexico are able to use there Matricula card issued from their backward and corrupt government and get the same benefits as Americans? The reason is because we are the enemy of our Government they could care less about our security the only thing they care about is having us under control. Their goal is to turn America into a police state after they totally shred our constitution and destroy our economy to a point where there is nothing but the Military and Police and every one else is a groveling poor peasant pleading with our corporate lords for the basic necessity’s of life. We are being dumbed down by our televisions that play nothing but propaganda. Ever watch 24 a hit show about how the good guys have to torture people sometimes they accidentally torture innocent people oops, but that’s okay because their protecting us Americans and its okay to torture as long as you have good intentions. Let me tell you Jack Ass Christians something that go along with G.W and his torture loving Attorney General Alburto Gonzalez. If your religion is true your going to go to a place a lot hotter than heaven because you have been the main force in bringing these Neo-Con psychopaths to power. Jesus was tortured his disciples were tortured and in the Bible torture is viewed as wrong. I am also sick of the Left gatekeepers like Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and even Ward Churchill who Argue with the mainstream media about why 9/11 happened but go with the official government report that there actually is a real Al Queda who attacked us. This leftwing/rightwing mind control Matrix is nothing but a way for the elites to keep us divided so they can stay in control until they totally destroy all of our rights and use us as cannon fodder for their wars for world domination.

Yes of course they were.

Was the U.S government involved in 9/11? There are many unanswered questions to ask about 9/11. Why did the World Trade Center Collapse from a fire caused by Jet fuel? Jet fuel burns at around 650 degrees Fahrenheit; jet fuel is nothing but refined kerosene. It takes an excess of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit to melt steel. The fire at the World Trade Center was oxygen starved low heat fire that’s why so much black smoke was coming out of the tower high heat fires burn much cleaner. There has never been a steel structured skyscraper to collapse from a fire in history just look at the recent fire in the Skyscraper in Madrid it burned for days and it was still standing. Many people say that there were separate explosions in the twin towers after the plane hit to see a video go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/220205moreevidence.htm .

Why was NORAD told to stand down Myers, current Chairman Joint Chiefs, who allegedly told NORAD to stand down on September 11, 2001 and not intercept airplanes headed for the World Trade Center.)

In his column called "The Secret Life of John Negroponte; Brady Bond Scam Redux; Why Did NORAD Stand Down on 9/11?," political and military analyst Al Martin asks the question -- why wasn't General Richard Myers called to testify before the 9/11 Coverup Commission? And more importantly why was NORAD told to stand down?

Retired Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" writes, "The 9-11 Debacle continues. Interim FBI Director Thomas Pickard and former FBI Director Louis Freeh talked about the infamous 1998 FBI memo, wherein the FBI said it had intelligence and recognized the possible threat of domestic airliners being hijacked by terrorist groups and then crashed into office buildings. Thomas Pickard had mentioned this because it was a memorandum that had later been given to John Ashcroft.

Why was nobody fired after 9/11 George Tenett the CIA director stayed on long after 9/11 Condeleeza Rice was eventually promoted to secretary of state. There were no disciplinary actions taken against any of the military commanders responsible for our security on 9/11. Isn’t it nice to know that people whose job it was to protect us were promoted after sleeping on the job during the worst attack on America’s history.

I believe that Al Qaeda (otherwise known as the CIA) carried out the 9/11 attacks in order to destroy our Constitution through legislation like the Patriot Act and the Victory Act and most recently a National ID card through the states that was passed last December. Why does the Government pass the above legislation that shreds most of our Constitution but refuses to secure the southern border with Mexico? Why are Americans getting a National ID card while illegal Aliens from Mexico are able to use there Matricula card issued from their backward and corrupt government and get the same benefits as Americans? The reason is because we are the enemy of our Government they could care less about our security the only thing they care about is having us under control. Their goal is to turn America into a police state after they totally shred our constitution and destroy our economy to a point where there is nothing but the Military and Police and every one else is a groveling poor peasant pleading with our corporate lords for the basic necessity’s of life. We are being dumbed down by our televisions that play nothing but propaganda. Ever watch 24 a hit show about how the good guys have to torture people sometimes they accidentally torture innocent people oops, but that’s okay because their protecting us Americans and its okay to torture as long as you have good intentions. Let me tell you Jack Ass Christians something that go along with G.W and his torture loving Attorney General Alburto Gonzalez. If your religion is true your going to go to a place a lot hotter than heaven because you have been the main force in bringing these Neo-Con psychopaths to power. Jesus was tortured his disciples were tortured and in the Bible torture is viewed as wrong. I am also sick of the Left gatekeepers like Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and even Ward Churchill who Argue with the mainstream media about why 9/11 happened but go with the official government report that there actually is a real Al Queda who attacked us. This leftwing/rightwing mind control Matrix is nothing but a way for the elites to keep us divided so they can stay in control until they totally destroy all of our rights and use us as cannon fodder for their wars for world domination.

Wow. After I have read, re-read, and analyzed your extremely thoughtful and different post, I have formulated 2 questions to help me better understand your post.

1) What the hell are you on?

2) Can I get some?

A generally effective way to determine the participants in an action is:

Who benefitted most?

The answer is of course the republican party and the oil and defense industries.

This evidence however is purely cirumstantial, and does not establish proof that the republicans and their cohorts are responsible.

It does however make them the prime suspects.

Wow. After I have read, re-read, and analyzed your extremely thoughtful and different post, I have formulated 2 questions to help me better understand your post.

1) What the hell are you on?

2) Can I get some?

He's on magic mushroom brownies. I believe you can get the recipe and the ingredients from www.bakedbettycrocker.com ;)

A generally effective way to determine the participants in an action is:

Who benefitted most?

The answer is of course the republican party and the oil and defense industries.

This evidence however is purely cirumstantial, and does not establish proof that the republicans and their cohorts are responsible.

It does however make them the prime suspects.


Funny, I would think the prime suspects would be the people who flew the planes? Or maybe the organization those people supported and belonged to?

No. I've seen steel buildings collapse from fire. I don't know where you got that Idea from.

Funny, I would think the prime suspects would be the people who flew the planes? Or maybe the organization those people supported and belonged to?

BUT OH NOES THATS WAHT YOUVE BEEN TOLD, IT WAS TEHM NAZI REPUBLICANZ!!!!

I've looked in this for some time...I don't know. Although there's many, many, questions.


http://www.unansweredquestions.org

BUT OH NOES THATS WAHT YOUVE BEEN TOLD, IT WAS TEHM NAZI REPUBLICANZ!!!!
Hey, dont be talking down on them. Ever since this guy showed me to blame the people who benefited the most from it, I can quite plainly tell you it was Holywood that started WWII, because they benefitted more then the nazis :rolleyes:

there is NO WAY IN HELL that this is just a desperate attempt by the Leftists to mislead with talk of some grand conspiracy.



And by the way, I wear a sombrero.

"Jet fuel burns at around 650 degrees Fahrenheit"

According to whom?

(wrong, fyi)

But how did WTC #7 fall? Nothing hit it. There was no reason it should have collapsed the way it did.

Was the U.S government involved in 9/11? There are many unanswered questions to ask about 9/11....

I suggest you read this month's Popular Mechanics, which explains precisely how the World Trade Center collapsed, why there is no plane-shaped hole in the Pentagon, and why these conspiracy theories hold no water.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Funny, I would think the prime suspects would be the people who flew the planes? Or maybe the organization those people supported and belonged to?
Do you know who those people were? Do you know why a criminal police investigation wasn't conducted? The government (FBI, in particular) just came out and said what happend without providing evidence. I find it more than a little interesting that as many as 7 of the 19 hijackers are alive right now (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html).
Here's a BBC story if that's not good enough (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm)
Before you start speculating on what organization these people belong to, you should probably figure out who you're talking about. I don't claim to know what happend, but I can't believe the official story, which is just a disproven conspiracy theory.

I agree katganistan. The person who wrote this can't explain how this happend, so it's basically a conspiracy theory. I mean, it would be about impossible for the government to plant bombs and the sort without anyone noticing.

no.

I suggest you read this month's Popular Mechanic, which explains precisely how the World Trade Center collapsed, why there is no plane-shaped hole in the Pentagon, and why these conspiracy theories hold no water.
Thank you, Kat. It mystifies me why we have to go through this same, tired, old crap time after time on here.

I suggest you read this month's Popular Mechanics, which explains precisely how the World Trade Center collapsed, why there is no plane-shaped hole in the Pentagon, and why these conspiracy theories hold no water.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
Can Popular Mechanics explain the cover-up?

Either you're joking, or your IQ is equivalent to your shoe size.

Can Popular Mechanics explain the cover-up?
Duh! That's just the point ... there was no "coverup!"

Funny, I would think the prime suspects would be the people who flew the planes? Or maybe the organization those people supported and belonged to?


To think that the CIA funded and carried out 9-11 is so fucking insane, lol.


At least come up with a better "evil cia" theory like maybe the CIA knew about the plot but allowed it to happen to further big oil and DR Evil's plan to destory freedom.


:D

Either you're joking, or your IQ is equivalent to your shoe size.
ROFLMAO!

They should add a new rule:

If one of your first posts is a new thread, you're doing something very wrong
and by something I mean everything

Thank you, Kat. It mystifies me why we have to go through this same, tired, old crap time after time on here.

You mean like the 85 billion "KERRY WAS A TRAITOR!!!!11!1!!!one!!!1!!!" topics?

Actually, no kidding, it's a really good article. And I've linked it above. ;)

You mean like the 85 billion "KERRY WAS A TRAITOR!!!!11!1!!!one!!!1!!!" topics?
Now, Sdaerijii, I know you well enough by now to realize you remember my position on that subject.

Now, Sdaerijii, I know you well enough by now to realize you remember my position on that subject.

Yeah. You think, based on how you've seen the evidence, that Kerry is a traitor, amongst other things. This person, no matter how misguided, thinks that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government. Evidence is subjective, and you know that. Is it so hard to accept that someone believes something else without calling it "tired, old crap"?

Duh! That's just the point ... there was no "coverup!"
All but one tape surveilance cameras that recorded the impact at the pentagon have been held secret. There was imense secrecy surrounding the debris of the WTC.

I suggest you read this month's Popular Mechanics, which explains precisely how the World Trade Center collapsed, why there is no plane-shaped hole in the Pentagon, and why these conspiracy theories hold no water.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pop_mechanics_attacks_911_lies.htm

Alright, look, there's no one who hates Bush more than I do. And there's no one who loves a good conspiracy theory as much as I do. And there's very few people more liberal than I am. But any sort of 9/11 conspiracy theory is total bunk. At the very, very, very, outer limit, I'm-willing-to-entertain-the-idea-for-conversational-purposes-but-I-don't-believe-it, they let it happen. But again, I don't believe it. Bush is not good enough of an actor to do the whole "My-pet-goat" thing for seven minutes if they knew it was going to happen. Alright? If you are going to attack the neo-cons, find something real to do it over. Stupid bullshit like this only hurts our cause, alright?

So, please, before you come on here spinning crazy theories, at least do some research.

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Man, a Liberal who makes some sense.

You are one in a million, my friend.

I guess this basically proves the saying "People will always believe what they want to be true".

It is amazing how many people will come out with nut-house conspiracies about 9/11 and post "facts" that are blatantly wrong and incredibly easy to disprove (like, you often don't need more than highschool level chemistry and/or physics) yet because they want to believe it they'll swallow the lot.

To think that the CIA funded and carried out 9-11 is so fucking insane, lol.

It's not all that insane. Have you ever heard of
Operation Northwoods (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=operation+northwoods&btnG=Search)?

When these theories first surfaced I was almost buying into them until I remembered that those clowns clearly aren't smart enough to perpetrate an operation this intricate. Just look at the mess they made of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Alright, look, there's no one who hates Bush more than I do. And there's no one who loves a good conspiracy theory as much as I do. And there's very few people more liberal than I am. But any sort of 9/11 conspiracy theory is total bunk. At the very, very, very, outer limit, I'm-willing-to-entertain-the-idea-for-conversational-purposes-but-I-don't-believe-it, they let it happen. But again, I don't believe it. Bush is not good enough of an actor to do the whole "My-pet-goat" thing for seven minutes if they knew it was going to happen. Alright? If you are going to attack the neo-cons, find something real to do it over. Stupid bullshit like this only hurts our cause, alright?

So, please, before you come on here spinning crazy theories, at least do some research.I'm not a liberal at all (at least by the common American usage of the term). If you really think this is some sort of partisan crap, you really don't get it. There are a large number of people, including me, who are at least dissatisfied with the official story. Peter Lance (http://www.peterlance.com) has convinced me that at the very least, certain members of the intelligence community and the administration were criminally negligent. Meaning, they have no excuses and should be in prison. Instead, nobody was fired.

OMFG! Are you kidding me?! Osama f*cking bin Laden did it!! I cannot believe you people will not get over it. The sheer stupidity of this thread completely astounds me. Ignore every conspiracy theory you've ever heard. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy. Bin Laden's agents, led by Mohammed Atta, drove the planes into the towers. I am in disbelief how anyone can honestly believe that the CIA or the White House was behind that horrible day. You sicken me.

To all those who believe the governments disinformation in popular mechanics read this
"Popular Mechanics Attacks -- Its 9/11 LIES Straw Man" by Jim Hoffman http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html

tTo forum feline I could give a shit less about the left wing because they are a bunch of corporate puppets themselves. Where were the Democrats when the war with Iraq started there are always a few token Democrats to make it look like they are taking a stand against whats going on but its just a show for idiots like you who believe in the left/right paradigm. They work for their corporate masters just like GW.

To Irwana Japan you show me an article of a Steel Structured skyscraper that collapsed from a fire an article, internet site or anything prove it to me.

I apologize for offending all You Proles just remember
"WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

It must have been Emmanuel Goldstein I mean Osama that carried out the attacks from a cave in afganistan while on a dialysis machine what was I thinking.

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/1641/princess2km.jpg

They could have been faster to send military planes into the air andblow the Boeings down but did they mastermind it, No they did not. I think so anyway.

To Irwana Japan you show me an article of a Steel Structured skyscraper that collapsed from a fire an article, internet site or anything prove it to me.
A plane flying into a building is going to cause moderate to severe strutural damage from the top to perhaps the middle of the towers. Combined with the effects heat has on steel, greatly weakening it's strength, it is quite probable that popular mechanics is correct. I thank you for your link, however. The Twin Tower's demolition powerpoint was quite entertaining.

There are indeed some questions about whether it was a plane that hit the Pentagon or a missile of some sort.

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Not the best source. But nonetheless, some wonder.

OK I think I understand the whole conspiracy. The 9-11 attacks were done by the Evil-CIA in order to enable the US to invade Afghanistan and Iraq in order to give the Space Aliens who landed in Roswell in the 50s and who have been living in Area 51 (also giving us all the technology supposedly "invented" by humans) an area to colonize when their main fleet lands in a few years. There was a protion of the military that wasn't under the Space Aliens' and Evil-CIA's mind control. They were located in the area of the Pentagon that was hit by stealth cruise missles launched from the Alien/CIA orbital weapons platform. Which is also where the Secret Service has its laser that causes people to develop cancer, high blood pressure, AIDS, and a host of other stuff. Trust no one, anyone could be a Space Alien/Evil-CIA operative.

God I love sarcasm!!

God I love sarcasm!!
I like how you included aliens and Roswell

I like how you included aliens and Roswell

Thank you, it all ties together nicely. I did forget to include the Kennedys, Watergate, and Iran-Contra. Oh well next crackpot theory.

You idoits go ahead and believe Americas government is just wonderful. The police state is coming closer to reality everyday. When the dollar finally tanks and thier are no jobs left becuase our country has been looted by the Multinational corparations and you are groveling in the gutter becuase you have no money or home, sing god bless America and think of your fuhrer Bush for your wonderful standard of living. Maybe you can move to china and get a manufacturing job making $20 a week.

Just remember Freedom is Slavery

On Mythbusters this week they blew up a cement truck and the thing just vanished, the explosion was so big.

I often think that it's because I grew up next to a crappy nuclear power plant ('next to' is relative-it was close enough to have to be aware of how it was doing but not so close that I was fishing for Blinky the three eyed fish...) and because of that I have seen plenty of footage of 747s being slammed into things to assure us that having a nuclear power plant between three airports AND three Air Force bases wasn't a bad idea.

So I buy the lack of planes left and I buy that they could effect those structures-and as much as I will proscribe dastardly acts to the administration, it's Occum's(sp?) Razor-way easier to get people to die for a religous/cultural reason than it is for a political agenda. Too many people would have to be involved without someone saying something. I don't buy it.

Did they drag thier feet? Yep. But I remember watching and until that second plane hit I didn't think it was that big of a deal. With information coming in at real time it's easy to see how everyone was just caught off guard.

I take more issue, and I think is a more legitimate course of discussion, in how that act was capatilized on for the agenda, not caused because of it. In very many ways I think that we have played into Bin Laden's hands, making this the most successful terrorist attack since the first hi-jacking. We haven't been hit at home again because there is no need.

Is the government responsable for 9/11? Directly, no. Indirectly, yes. Does that mean that any of those people deserved to die? Absolutely not. Is that a distinction people have a hard time making? Only if they are idiots trying to pigeon hole someone. Is question talking irratating? Well, I kinda want to punch myself, so yes....

Was the U.S government involved in 9/11? There are many unanswered questions to ask about 9/11. Why did the World Trade Center Collapse from a fire caused by Jet fuel? Jet fuel burns at around 650 degrees Fahrenheit; jet fuel is nothing but refined kerosene. It takes an excess of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit to melt steel. The fire at the World Trade Center was oxygen starved low heat fire that’s why so much black smoke was coming out of the tower high heat fires burn much cleaner. There has never been a steel structured skyscraper to collapse from a fire in history just look at the recent fire in the Skyscraper in Madrid it burned for days and it was still standing. Many people say that there were separate explosions in the twin towers after the plane hit to see a video go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/220205moreevidence.htm .

Why was NORAD told to stand down Myers, current Chairman Joint Chiefs, who allegedly told NORAD to stand down on September 11, 2001 and not intercept airplanes headed for the World Trade Center.)

In his column called "The Secret Life of John Negroponte; Brady Bond Scam Redux; Why Did NORAD Stand Down on 9/11?," political and military analyst Al Martin asks the question -- why wasn't General Richard Myers called to testify before the 9/11 Coverup Commission? And more importantly why was NORAD told to stand down?

Retired Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" writes, "The 9-11 Debacle continues. Interim FBI Director Thomas Pickard and former FBI Director Louis Freeh talked about the infamous 1998 FBI memo, wherein the FBI said it had intelligence and recognized the possible threat of domestic airliners being hijacked by terrorist groups and then crashed into office buildings. Thomas Pickard had mentioned this because it was a memorandum that had later been given to John Ashcroft.

Why was nobody fired after 9/11 George Tenett the CIA director stayed on long after 9/11 Condeleeza Rice was eventually promoted to secretary of state. There were no disciplinary actions taken against any of the military commanders responsible for our security on 9/11. Isn’t it nice to know that people whose job it was to protect us were promoted after sleeping on the job during the worst attack on America’s history.

I believe that Al Qaeda (otherwise known as the CIA) carried out the 9/11 attacks in order to destroy our Constitution through legislation like the Patriot Act and the Victory Act and most recently a National ID card through the states that was passed last December. Why does the Government pass the above legislation that shreds most of our Constitution but refuses to secure the southern border with Mexico? Why are Americans getting a National ID card while illegal Aliens from Mexico are able to use there Matricula card issued from their backward and corrupt government and get the same benefits as Americans? The reason is because we are the enemy of our Government they could care less about our security the only thing they care about is having us under control. Their goal is to turn America into a police state after they totally shred our constitution and destroy our economy to a point where there is nothing but the Military and Police and every one else is a groveling poor peasant pleading with our corporate lords for the basic necessity’s of life. We are being dumbed down by our televisions that play nothing but propaganda. Ever watch 24 a hit show about how the good guys have to torture people sometimes they accidentally torture innocent people oops, but that’s okay because their protecting us Americans and its okay to torture as long as you have good intentions. Let me tell you Jack Ass Christians something that go along with G.W and his torture loving Attorney General Alburto Gonzalez. If your religion is true your going to go to a place a lot hotter than heaven because you have been the main force in bringing these Neo-Con psychopaths to power. Jesus was tortured his disciples were tortured and in the Bible torture is viewed as wrong. I am also sick of the Left gatekeepers like Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and even Ward Churchill who Argue with the mainstream media about why 9/11 happened but go with the official government report that there actually is a real Al Queda who attacked us. This leftwing/rightwing mind control Matrix is nothing but a way for the elites to keep us divided so they can stay in control until they totally destroy all of our rights and use us as cannon fodder for their wars for world domination.
And you, sir, are a moron.

Well, initially, the conception that the fire was the only thing that caused the WTC buildings to collapse was the fire is actually not very true...

Typically when you have a massive, metal projectile, hurtling at 500+ MPH, that tends to do structural damage.

And beyond that, the fact the towers were only designed to survive an impact from a 707...

And, what else would it have been? There are loads of videos and photos of the planes colliding into the towers.

All but one tape surveilance cameras that recorded the impact at the pentagon have been held secret. There was imense secrecy surrounding the debris of the WTC.



Somehow I suspect that this isn't a change from the normal policy at all, you know, the "we don't hand out pentagon security camera tapes, period" policy?

You idoits go ahead and believe Americas government is just wonderful. The police state is coming closer to reality everyday. When the dollar finally tanks and thier are no jobs left becuase our country has been looted by the Multinational corparations and you are groveling in the gutter becuase you have no money or home, sing god bless America and think of your fuhrer Bush for your wonderful standard of living. Maybe you can move to china and get a manufacturing job making $20 a week.

Just remember Freedom is Slavery

I'm not worried, if your theory is right, I'll never lose my job. Thats cause I'm in the military. Don't know about you, but I'm all set.

By the way, Bush will be leaving the office in '08, so your theory only has a limited lifespan. And oh yes, let's move to China, the land of oppurtunity, prosperity, and the freedom to do everything the government tells you to do.

Your all set until your blown up in some stupid ass war supposedly bringing democracy to the dark corners of the world. In truth fighting for texaco, unocal and all the other multinational oil companies. The US military has become the armed forces of the multinational corporations you might as well take that us flag off your arm you have to wear in combat zone and put The corporate logo of Texaco in its place. Be smart go AWOL

By the way I only said China becuase thats were all our jobs are going there taking our $20 hr jobs and sending them to china where people make $20 to $50 a week.

Your all set until your blown up in some stupid ass war supposedly bringing democracy to the dark corners of the world. In truth fighting for texaco, unocal and all the other multinational oil companies. The US military has become the armed forces of the multinational corporations you might as well take that us flag off your arm you have to wear in combat zone and put The corporate logo of Texaco in its place. Be smart go AWOL

Exactly right!! We just have to make sure that our tin foil hats fit correctly, and we can evade the government's Mind-o-Matic Ray Device! The corporate dictatorship is upon us! Take up arms my friends! Take....wait....oh my God....I HAVE FOUND THE SOURCE!!!!!!!!

*bounds off in an investigative fashion towards the signal he is recieving through his tin foil hat*

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Tin foil hats at the ready!

http://www.freespeechradio.net/signspube.jpg

Laugh all you want when we are hit with another terrorist strike that will allow the Government to scare us in to allowing the draft so we will have the manpower to invade the entire Muslim world. Keep believing the government you bunch of Idiots There will be another terrorist attack on America wait and see and it will scare your dumb asses into giving up all of your rights. Viva la Bush.

I apologize for offending all You Proles just remember
"WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

It must have been Emmanuel Goldstein I mean Osama that carried out the attacks from a cave in afganistan while on a dialysis machine what was I thinking.

Please. You need not make insulting allusions simply because people do not accept theories that have been debunked in many other places.

Laugh all you want when we are hit with another terrorist strike that will allow the Government to scare us in to allowing the draft so we will have the manpower to invade the entire Muslim world. Keep believing the government you bunch of Idiots There will be another terrorist attack on America wait and see and it will scare your dumb asses into giving up all of your rights. Viva la Bush.
Nothing short of three coordinated nuclear attacks against the US by China would even make the national opinion remotely sufficient for a draft.

Laugh all you want when we are hit with another terrorist strike that will allow the Government to scare us in to allowing the draft so we will have the manpower to invade the entire Muslim world. Keep believing the government you bunch of Idiots There will be another terrorist attack on America wait and see and it will scare your dumb asses into giving up all of your rights. Viva la Bush.

Exactly!! I have found and interrogated the source, and he told me all kinds of things...terrible, horrible things! We are at the hands of the corporate elite!! And to wear hats of tin foil!

You may have heard about the recent tsunami in Asia. Some say it was an earthquake...LIES! IT WAS BUSH! Why are you all so easily deceived? The answer is simple: The Mind-O-Matic Device is taking control of your cranium!! Break free! Break free!

Oh, yeah, and as an Assistant Director of the National Committe for Public Security...we're watching you.

Johnny A. and I have some sweet goodness going on. :D

http://untruenews.com/images/dick_cheney_smiles.jpg =ME

I'm not sure, but I blame Bush anyway.

There's obviously no proof that the CIA had anything to do with 9/11.

However, there is proof that what the CIA says happened is false, because several of the supposed hijackers are still alive.

Now, unless you believe that a person can slam into a skyscraper at hundreds of miles per hour, be engulfed in an explosion, climb all the way down to the ground, and still escape unharmed, that's pretty good proof.

The fact is, nobody can really know who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks because our intelligence agencies won't reassess their disproven theory. Unfortunately, unless the CIA and other intelligence agencies suddenly admit they were wrong and try to find out who was really flying those planes, we will never know who was responsible for 9/11.

If you believe Robert Ludlum - he created such scenario in about every one of his novels.


On the other hand, Bush failed in his job to protect the country - 9/11 happened under his reign.

And still he was re-elected, which says something about the people living there.

Well, it shows that there is no relation between intelligence and Intelligence Agencies.

OMFG! Are you kidding me?! Osama f*cking bin Laden did it!! I cannot believe you people will not get over it. The sheer stupidity of this thread completely astounds me. Ignore every conspiracy theory you've ever heard. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy. Bin Laden's agents, led by Mohammed Atta, drove the planes into the towers. I am in disbelief how anyone can honestly believe that the CIA or the White House was behind that horrible day. You sicken me.
Interesting. We've heard all these claims before, but they haven't been proven. In fact, some of the official story has been disproven. You sicken me.

There's obviously no proof that the CIA had anything to do with 9/11.

However, there is proof that what the CIA says happened is false, because several of the supposed hijackers are still alive.

Now, unless you believe that a person can slam into a skyscraper at hundreds of miles per hour, be engulfed in an explosion, climb all the way down to the ground, and still escape unharmed, that's pretty good proof.

The fact is, nobody can really know who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks because our intelligence agencies won't reassess their disproven theory. Unfortunately, unless the CIA and other intelligence agencies suddenly admit they were wrong and try to find out who was really flying those planes, we will never know who was responsible for 9/11.
Thank you. The allegations against the CIA itself are kind of silly. Anyone who names the CIA as responsible for conducting the actual attacks almost certainly doesn't know what they're talking about. Actually, these allegations are mostly strawmen erected by defenders of government. For the record I have never suggested such a thing, and would like to distance myself somewhat from the originator of this thread.

A generally effective way to determine the participants in an action is:

Who benefitted most?

The answer is of course the republican party and the oil and defense industries.

This evidence however is purely cirumstantial, and does not establish proof that the republicans and their cohorts are responsible.

It does however make them the prime suspects.

and you are a prime suspect of being the worlds most ignorant idiot

There's obviously no proof that the CIA had anything to do with 9/11..

When the plane hit the Pentagon the CIA showed up at a hotel, and gas station before even the fire dpt. managed to get there siezing all security camera tapes.

While this does not prove colusion, it sure does go a long way toward explaining why The Bin Ladens were allowed out of Texas on 9/12 and why GBjr. waited all that time to make his formal announcement of a terrorist attack on the US to a room of second graders.

To those who say its just a leftist attempt to 'fill in the blank' I would ask you to reasonably look into the unheard of string of bizzare coincidences and established policy/protocal violations that occured surrounding this event. I am no conspiricy nut I generally think that the USA is a good place to live, and so it was through gritted teeth and nausea that I have come to believe that at least GBjr., and the CIA were involved (by association this likely puts GBsr there too- but that is harder to back up)

I ask you to reasonably with an open mind look at the data because I did so- w/o being provoked, just out of curiosity- and found my stomach in knots over it later. Sometimes being a patriot means knowing when the enemy in in your midst, but that is never easy, and always hurts (the pride, and the selfrespect mostly)

-revscrj

Alright, look, there's no one who hates Bush more than I do. And there's no one who loves a good conspiracy theory as much as I do. And there's very few people more liberal than I am. But any sort of 9/11 conspiracy theory is total bunk. At the very, very, very, outer limit, I'm-willing-to-entertain-the-idea-for-conversational-purposes-but-I-don't-believe-it, they let it happen. But again, I don't believe it. Bush is not good enough of an actor to do the whole "My-pet-goat" thing for seven minutes if they knew it was going to happen. Alright? If you are going to attack the neo-cons, find something real to do it over. Stupid bullshit like this only hurts our cause, alright?

So, please, before you come on here spinning crazy theories, at least do some research.


you know i hate liberals, and i love Bush, but i have to agree wiht you.forum feline and i also have to say HOW DARE YOU!! i fucking lost my uncle on 9/11 and to say that the country i love did that... well it puts a whole new meaning to the word "pissed off" and i have family still stationed in Afgahnastan fighting al-quada, so your pathetic conpiricy theory needs to stop.

I'm not sure, but I blame Bush anyway.
Of course you do! :rolleyes:

Planes could have caused the problem. Here goes:

A plane, loaded with fuel, slams into a tower. It explodes causing a huge fire. This fire spreads to the plentiful paper in the tower. This heats to several hundred degrees. Enough to soften metal and have it lose strength. As the metal softens, the support weakens. At one point, the supports give way and above the fire crashes down. Then, something called the "pancake effect" takes place in which all the floors collapse one by one.

Now, how can it collapse? It's a huge steel building. Well, the misers who financed it wanted it as cheap as possible. So, they used a design that had the actual building around the support. This is unlike most other buildings such as the Empire State Building. These building use a steel superstructure that is like what you'll always see when skyscraper construction is used on a tv show.

If a plane were to slam into the ESB, it should not collapse at all. In fact, it should just have a big hole. Another note: The WTC WAS designed to withstand a plane slamming into it. The plane was a 707 and no one thought it would be loaded with fuel. The planes used on 9/11 were, I believe, a 747 and a 757.

I wish I could find an actual article that says this. Also, this doesn't say that Al Qaeda wasn't paid off by Bush & Co. to do it.

you know i hate liberals, and i love Bush, but i have to agree wiht you.forum feline and i also have to say HOW DARE YOU!! i fucking lost my uncle on 9/11 and to say that the country i love did that...
Nobody is claiming the "country" did anything. Please learn the difference between a country and it's government.

...well it puts a whole new meaning to the word "pissed off" and i have family still stationed in Afgahnastan fighting al-quada, so your pathetic conpiricy theory needs to stop.
That's a silly sentence. You might as well say, "I prefer Coke to Pepsi, so your pathetic conspiracy theory needs to stop." Please try to be a bit dispasionate abuot this subject. Take a deep breath and do some reading. If you just can't handle it, ignore threads like this.

Was the U.S government involved in 9/11? There are many unanswered questions to ask about 9/11. Why did the World Trade Center Collapse from a fire caused by Jet fuel? Jet fuel burns at around 650 degrees Fahrenheit; jet fuel is nothing but refined kerosene. It takes an excess of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit to melt steel. The fire at the World Trade Center was oxygen starved low heat fire that’s why so much black smoke was coming out of the tower high heat fires burn much cleaner. There has never been a steel structured skyscraper to collapse from a fire in history just look at the recent fire in the Skyscraper in Madrid it burned for days and it was still standing. Many people say that there were separate explosions in the twin towers after the plane hit to see a video go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/220205moreevidence.htm .

Why was NORAD told to stand down Myers, current Chairman Joint Chiefs, who allegedly told NORAD to stand down on September 11, 2001 and not intercept airplanes headed for the World Trade Center.)

In his column called "The Secret Life of John Negroponte; Brady Bond Scam Redux; Why Did NORAD Stand Down on 9/11?," political and military analyst Al Martin asks the question -- why wasn't General Richard Myers called to testify before the 9/11 Coverup Commission? And more importantly why was NORAD told to stand down?

Retired Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider" writes, "The 9-11 Debacle continues. Interim FBI Director Thomas Pickard and former FBI Director Louis Freeh talked about the infamous 1998 FBI memo, wherein the FBI said it had intelligence and recognized the possible threat of domestic airliners being hijacked by terrorist groups and then crashed into office buildings. Thomas Pickard had mentioned this because it was a memorandum that had later been given to John Ashcroft.

Why was nobody fired after 9/11 George Tenett the CIA director stayed on long after 9/11 Condeleeza Rice was eventually promoted to secretary of state. There were no disciplinary actions taken against any of the military commanders responsible for our security on 9/11. Isn’t it nice to know that people whose job it was to protect us were promoted after sleeping on the job during the worst attack on America’s history.



hmm...well, how can i tell you this, but....

conspiracy theories are a terrible way to make friends.

In actuality, jet fuel burns at 800 degrees CELCIUS!!! and the melting point is 1370 celcius. It doesn; thave to mel to use strength. How do you think they used to make weapons? do you think everything waws cast (granted they weren't steel, but the same applies) all it had to do was lose some of i's structual integrity. not only was there the blunt force of the plane crash, but a fire raged for several hours. this couls have sufficiently weakened the steel enough for it to buckle. All that need to happen was one floor to collapse, then a dominoe effect would ensue, with gadually heavier weight bearing down on the floors beneath. and your bs about high heat fires burning cleaner? hmm..mayeb if t was jsut the jet fuel, however, carpet, cubicles, paper, sevral diesel generators, aomong other things are culprits of black smoke..Not oxygen starved, low heat flames. That skyscraper in madrid probably didn;t have a 79,560 kilogram airplane fly into it at about 800 km/hr.

i also find it interesting that noene of these conspiracy websites seem to have corresponding facts....it;s like they pul numbers out of their butts. it;s like some pimply 15 year old googled key terms like steel and jet fuel. it's completely ludicrous. I was there. i was there on business with myy father when the planes hit. I heard the roar of the engines. they were not militry jets. i have heard military jets. and even if you were to say they hit them, it still doesn't hold up. no conventional incindiary device is hotter than jet fuel. so if it did hit it (according to you) there still wuopld be no way that the trade center collapsed (in your minds :rolleyes: )they were commercial airliners. not missiles, not drones (a predator drones wingpan is less than 50 feet, and it is 27 feet long. way smaller than anything that hit the world trade center..many conspiracy theorist suggest that it was a predator drone that hit the trade center.)

about norad. norad does not operate within borders. it is a defensive net OUTSIDE of the us. not inside, it goes around the perimiter (up until now, we have no had to moniter in nation flights). the FAA had to literally pick up the phone and call norad to tell them that there were planes missing. by the time the fighters were scrambled, the trade center had already been hit.



next.

When the plane hit the Pentagon the CIA showed up at a hotel, and gas station before even the fire dpt. managed to get there siezing all security camera tapes.

While this does not prove colusion, it sure does go a long way toward explaining why The Bin Ladens were allowed out of Texas on 9/12 and why GBjr. waited all that time to make his formal announcement of a terrorist attack on the US to a room of second graders.

To those who say its just a leftist attempt to 'fill in the blank' I would ask you to reasonably look into the unheard of string of bizzare coincidences and established policy/protocal violations that occured surrounding this event. I am no conspiricy nut I generally think that the USA is a good place to live, and so it was through gritted teeth and nausea that I have come to believe that at least GBjr., and the CIA were involved (by association this likely puts GBsr there too- but that is harder to back up)

I ask you to reasonably with an open mind look at the data because I did so- w/o being provoked, just out of curiosity- and found my stomach in knots over it later. Sometimes being a patriot means knowing when the enemy in in your midst, but that is never easy, and always hurts (the pride, and the selfrespect mostly)

-revscrj

there are cia agents in the penatagon...i dont; see why they wouldn;t have been there first. it does take some time tfor firefighters to mobalize.