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Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

I wouldn't be shocked.

lol, thanks for proving my point! i was going to make one of these, just to shut VE up, but now you've saved me the trouble :).

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?
black? oh god, i'm so sorry.

The thing is, this thread won't get as many responses as VE's thread, but he'll still claim his thread is not for getting attention.

I mean... "GOD SPOKE TO ME" and "YOU ARE ALL BLIND FOOLISH INFIDELS" is about as attention-getting as you can fucking get.

lol, thanks for proving my point! i was going to make one of these, just to shut VE up, but now you've saved me the trouble :).
[feigned innocence]I don't know what you're talking about.[/feigned innocence]

Don't hurt me Cog...I'll try to make it a legit thread, I really will!

your lucky you might being a working class single parent as well

Black muslim? Nothing new...I even have a friend like that. Gay black? All over the place...gay muslim? Now there's something queer (no pun).

Well, you see, it's kind of like a white Rasta. They exist, but it's just...

I still shoked that you asked me to touch your furr...I mean I dont even know you well!!! and i prefer making do with some foreplay before...

The thing is, this thread won't get as many responses as VE's thread, but he'll still claim his thread is not for getting attention.

I mean... "GOD SPOKE TO ME" and "YOU ARE ALL BLIND FOOLISH INFIDELS" is about as attention-getting as you can fucking get.
Let's think of some other attention-getting titles that may or may not be considered flame bait.

Like:

GOD IS DEAD! I'M AN ATHEIST AND I SAY SO!
RACISTS ARE BLIND FOOLS WHO HAVE FORSAKEN GOD'S LOVE!

Seriously...wouldn't those be flame-baiting? Or would they? Some of the thread titles seem to be, but get away with it...

I'm confused. I believe in free speech and all that, but sometimes I'm not sure how MUCH I believe in it...

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

I don't think it would be really shocking. There are plenty of black muslims and black gays, but not very many gay muslims. I'm sure this person would have one hell of an identity crisis! :D

I stull shoked that you asked me to touch your furr...I eman I dont even know you!!!
Rar! I didn't ask, I merely suggested, and also laid out the consequences of touching said fur....

I wouldn't be shocked.

Ditto.

your lucky you might being a working class single parent as well
Ok, I am a gay, black, working class, single parent muslim. Trapped in a native/Irish woman's straight, married, working class atheist body.

Rar! I didn't ask, I merely suggested, and also laid out the consequences of touching said fur....
I could not sleep for 2 days ..you such a bad girl :D

I don't think it would be really shocking. There are plenty of black muslims and black gays, but not very many gay muslims. I'm sure this person would have one hell of an identity crisis! :D
Na...there are plenty of gay muslims out there...they just aren't encouraged to be open about it.

Well, you couldnt be gay AND Muslim, since I beleive the Quar'an actually DOES very specificaly forbid homosexuality, very clearly at several points.
Or maybe that was some other holy book...Im not sure.

I could not sleep for 2 days ..you such a bad girl :D
You KNOW you want to pet it....

Well, you couldnt be gay AND Muslim, since I beleive the Quar'an actually DOES very specificaly forbid homosexuality, very clearly at several points.
Or maybe that was some other holy book...Im not sure.
So does the bible, apparently. You can be gay and be any religion, or no religion. Some members of your religion may not accept you, but that doesn't mean you get 'kicked out' of the religion. Your religious beliefs are your own; they can be suppressed by others, but they can't be taken away simply because of your sexuality or whatever else...

You KNOW you want to pet it....
:eek: *concetrates*...*cold shower*...*very cold shower*

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?
The fact that you could be gay and still be part of a religion that discriminates against gays would be pretty weird.

That wouldn't be that surprising. The only gay people I've known personally (guys anyway) are black. They're very cool.

The fact that you could be gay and still be part of a religion that discriminates against gays would be pretty weird.

And yet there are still homosexual Christians and homosexual Muslims and probably homosexual Jews. I've never heard of a Jewish lynch mob attacking a homosexual.

Actually, my first thought upon reading the title of the thread was "OMG WOW! Who cares?"

Not that I have anything against gay, black, or muslim people or any combination of the above, I just didnt get why it was worthy of making an entire topic to highlighting.

The fact that you could be gay and still be part of a religion that discriminates against gays would be pretty weird.
Not really....though I've addressed this already. How would it be any weirder than being Christian? Different sects are more open to homosexuality than others. Muslims as well have different sects. Does anyone really think that gay muslims don't exist? The religion doesn't necessarily discriminate against gays...people interpreting the religion do.

Well, you couldnt be gay AND Muslim, since I beleive the Quar'an actually DOES very specificaly forbid homosexuality, very clearly at several points.
Or maybe that was some other holy book...Im not sure.

I have read some Qur'anic verses relating to sodomy but as I recall they were quite vague. Although, I have also read that several Muslim scholars describe homosexuality as the worst sin.

Hey, just to twist yer noggin...there are black jews too....in fact, there are practicioners of judaism of every colour...which is funny because jewish people are always potrayed as white.

And I bet there are gay, black jews out there somewhere...and so what of it?

Actually, my first thought upon reading the title of the thread was "OMG WOW! Who cares?"

Not that I have anything against gay, black, or muslim people or any combination of the above, I just didnt get why it was worthy of making an entire topic to highlighting.
You're right. It isn't. Kind of like other threads around here.

Hey, just to twist yer noggin...there are black jews too....in fact, there are practicioners of judaism of every colour...which is funny because jewish people are always potrayed as white.

And I bet there are gay, black jews out there somewhere...and so what of it? I know a gay Eskimo (Inuit). :D

Actually, my first thought upon reading the title of the thread was "OMG WOW! Who cares?"

Not that I have anything against gay, black, or muslim people or any combination of the above, I just didnt get why it was worthy of making an entire topic to highlighting.
that's actually the point.

on another thread, i pointed out that VoteEarly is deliberately trying to get a rise out of people by coming on to a predominantly intelligent, reasonable, progressive forum and posting the most ignorant and backwards material he can think of.

he denies that he is trying to get attention, and claimed that if he wanted to get attention he would make up a thread saying "I'm a gay, black Muslim." my response was that anybody who knows the first thing about this forum would know that pretty much nobody around here would give a shit about something like that. he knows that, and he knows what he is doing is just to get a rise out of people around here, but i don't expect him to ever own up to it.

I just realised that different sects sounds like different sex:).

not shocked, just checked the thread for jesussaves

I know a gay Eskimo (Inuit). :D
I know quite a few...I lived in the Northwest Territories for a while:).

I know quite a few...I lived in the Northwest Territories for a while:).
Inuits Rock...and they share the wife :D

youre a gay, black muslim

disgusting!

youre not a straight white christian and youre going to burn in hell! :mad:


:rolleyes:

I would be shocked since this entire time I thought you were a female.

Inuits Rock...and they share the wife :D
Not since they've been 'converted'. Awwwww:(

You're right. It isn't. Kind of like other threads around here.
i am so hoping that was directed at me :D

anything can be controversial, depending on the setting you are in.
being white, middle class, and christian is shocking to some neighborhoods, and even countries.
being gay black and muslim? if you were raised in a predominantly black area, there are going to be a lot of muslims. and if they all know you growing up, there are sure to be some old ladies thatsit on the stoop that KNOW you are gay. so, in that case, not shocking at all.

I would be shocked since this entire time I thought you were a female.
Doesn't that make my lust for you seem a little different?

Then again, as I've said before:

I am a black, gay, working class, single parent muslim in a native/Irish, straight woman's working class, married parent's atheist body!

Figure THAT one out!

i am so hoping that was directed at me :D

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't :(.

I would be shocked since this entire time I thought you were a female.
you think/hope everything is female. check your tgs

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't :(.
there was no bubble. it was an inside joke joke directed at another poster. but they most likely didnt get it.

you think/hope everything is female. check your tgs
No one ever sends ME tgs... :mad: Maybe I need to put out more?

there was no bubble. it was an inside joke joke directed at another poster. but they most likely didnt get it.
Ok ok...just cut me completely out of the loop why don't you? *feeling senstive today, Sinuhue goes off to eat worms in the garden, yum, yum*

Doesn't that make my lust for you seem a little different?

Then again, as I've said before:

I am a black, gay, working class, single parent muslim in a native/Irish, straight woman's working class, married parent's atheist body!

Figure THAT one out!

Oh, man....I think I'm in love.

No one ever sends ME tgs... :mad: Maybe I need to put out more?
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? ;)



oh i will tg you. be prepared. and dont eat worms. the snails are better.

I just realised that different sects sounds like different sex:).
i like you more every day, you know that? :)

There's nothing strange about being black and Muslim, but gay? Wouldn't homosexuality coflict with the Islamic dogma? Almost all Muslims, Christians and Jews I know of regard it as a sin.

Have you told your parents that you're black yet?

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?


If you were, avoid VE's church like plague. :p

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)

That is fantastic, but are most muslims as liberal about this as you?

You will have to forgive me, I am born and raised in the midwest, in small towns, and have known nothing but Christians.

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)
we are so glad to have you around.

That is fantastic, but are most muslims as liberal about this as you?

You will have to forgive me, I am born and raised in the midwest, in small towns, and have known nothing but Christians.
the good kind or the bad kind?
tg, bradley.

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)
wow, Islam rules

wow, Islam rules

I'm going to quote you on that.

the good kind or the bad kind?
tg, bradley.

Both, but nearly all do not even think about their religion. They just take what they like and don't like and what their preacher says, and then they mold all of that into a little wad of religion that they only take out on Sundays.

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

Depends.

Here? Yes. They'll put you in jail. Probably get the cane at the same time.

Heck.. my Vice Prime Minister was put in jail for male sodomy (and corruption).

That is fantastic, but are most muslims as liberal about this as you?

No. Many Muslims do have that whole "icky" thing when it comes to homosexuals, however, you will never see a Muslim out protesting against homosexual rights. It's just simply not our place, nor is it our concern. The Christian will protest because he is afraid that legalizing gay marriage will lead to a moral decay; Muslims fear nothing except Allah. So we don't care ... legalize it all you want. It does us no harm any more than it being legal to eat pork does us harm.

We already know that everything Allah has created is perfect. Some people have blonde hair, some people have brown hair, some blue eyes, some dark skin, some are homosexual, and some are heterosexual, some have Down's Syndrome, and some have Progeria, and some have Leukemia, but every single one is perfect. For centuries, and even to this day, many Christians will tell you that a disease or disorder is punishment for sin, but that's, frankly, a retarded world view and an irresponsible one.

People are people. Each one created perfectly as they are. Period. Anyone who tells you otherwise assumes the mind of the Creator of all things and is, therefore, a liar and not worthy of your time.

Gay muslim, someone correct me, but isn't that not allowed, plus if you were a gay jihadist, wouldnt those virgins be a letdown.

Gay muslim, someone correct me, but isn't that not allowed, plus if you were a gay jihadist, wouldnt those virgins be a letdown.

You really should read a thread before replying to it. This has already been covered. :)

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)

Imo.. Your the second most liberal Muslim I know in my life. :D Shame there are near to none here in a muslim nation like mine.

I wouldn't be shocked.

I know a gay, black Muslim in real life, so, I wouldn't be shocked either.

Ok, I am a gay, black, working class, single parent muslim. Trapped in a native/Irish woman's straight, married, working class atheist body.

lol for some reason that sounds funny.

No. Many Muslims do have that whole "icky" thing when it comes to homosexuals, however, you will never see a Muslim out protesting against homosexual rights. It's just simply not our place, nor is it our concern. The Christian will protest because he is afraid that legalizing gay marriage will lead to a moral decay; Muslims fear nothing except Allah. So we don't care ... legalize it all you want. It does us no harm any more than it being legal to eat pork does us harm.

We already know that everything Allah has created is perfect. Some people have blonde hair, some people have brown hair, some blue eyes, some dark skin, some are homosexual, and some are heterosexual, some have Down's Syndrome, and some have Progeria, and some have Leukemia, but every single one is perfect. For centuries, and even to this day, many Christians will tell you that a disease or disorder is punishment for sin, but that's, frankly, a retarded world view and an irresponsible one.

People are people. Each one created perfectly as they are. Period. Anyone who tells you otherwise assumes the mind of the Creator of all things and is, therefore, a liar and not worthy of your time.

This is the type of conversation you can't get out of most Christians. They are more concerned about the social aspect of their beliefs than the theological aspect.

EDIT: You probably wouldn't get this level of conversation out of most muslims, either, so kudos to Keruvalia.

Just to clear this up once and for all:

1] There are gay Muslims. I have met a few.
2] They are openly gay except in Mosque.
3] The most conservative of Muslims will still perform wudu (ritual bathing before prayer) sitting right next to an openly gay Muslim.

Now here's the why:

1] It's between the gay Muslim and Allah, not between the brothers and the gay Muslim. The Qur'an does speak against homosexual behaviour, but it also says we (read: humans) are not allowed to pass judgement.
2] Even if openly gay, he is still a Muslim and, therefore, a brother and will receive all of the rights and benefits thereof.
3] He is Muslim before he is gay. Hence he wouldn't be a homosexual who happens to be Muslim, but rather a Muslim who happens to be homosexual.

Ok? Ok! :)
hang on, hang on

how do countries like Malaysia or Saudi Arabia work that one?

Have you told your parents that you're black yet?
I haven't come out yet...I'm not sure they will understand.

Ok? Ok! :)
Ok! I don't know why people have difficulty understanding that, but thank you for being crystal clear!

Depends.

Here? Yes. They'll put you in jail. Probably get the cane at the same time.

Heck.. my Vice Prime Minister was put in jail for male sodomy (and corruption).
Weren't those trumped up charges based on his politics? And wasn't he freed recently? I may be thinking of the wrong guy here...

you will never see a Muslim out protesting against homosexual rights. It's just simply not our place, nor is it our concern.
Maybe that's because there are not a lot of Muslims where you live to protest along with the Christians?

There are certainly plenty of Muslims who want to do bad things to homosexuals. For example, the French imam who said that homosexuals should be thrown off roofs... that one created a controversy.

How about the Muslim extremists who bomb people over what they perceive as threats to their religion? I'm sure that if any Arab country started to liberalise its gay rights laws, there would be a large scale religious opposition movement.

So, why do we never see a Muslim out protesting against homosexual rights? It's because they don't have the numbers, chance or reason to do so in their circumstances.

Weren't those trumped up charges based on his politics? And wasn't he freed recently? I may be thinking of the wrong guy here...

Politics.. and sodomy. And yes. You are talking about the right one. But the biggest cases with most hooha that put him in jail most was concerning his bisexual preference.

Even then.. there's a number of cases continuing of people being thrown into jail for homosexuality.. so if your one, keep it under hush hush kind of thing.

He was freed by our latest Prime Minister Badawi.

hang on, hang on

how do countries like Malaysia or Saudi Arabia work that one?

Jail-Time!!! :D Not too sure about Saudi Arabia..

But I know for a fact that Turkey is another very very liberal muslim nation though. Homosexuality is common there.

This is the type of conversation you can't get out of most Christians. They are more concerned about the social aspect of their beliefs than the theological aspect.
Yes, why the HELL is Christianity so politicisedin America; they're starting to make the Northern Ireland Protestants look moderate at this stage.

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

It seems to me that you are being rather insulting to people who are homosexual, or who have dark-colored skin, or who are Muslims. It is no more shocking to belong to any or all of classes than it is to be a heterosexual, white Christian.

If you were a two-headed, fire-breating dragon from outer space, then there may be some shock value. I don't understand the point of beginning this thread.

It seems to me that you are being rather insulting to people who are homosexual, or who have dark-colored skin, or who are Muslims. It is no more shocking to belong to any or all of classes than it is to be a heterosexual, white Christian.

If you were a two-headed, fire-breating dragon from outer space, then there may be some shock value. I don't understand the point of beginning this thread.
LOL, DUCK! ('cuz this thread just went right over your head...)

Well, the most shocking part of it is that you're so fucking narcissistic that you'd think anyone gives a damn.
You are not special. You are not unique. You are the all-seeing, all-dancing crap of the world.
Hmmm...do you think being gay, black or muslim is bad then?

Are some of these people even READING before they post?

Truthfully, I don't care If you're gay, black, muslim, or anything like that.

Truthfully, I don't care If you're gay, black, muslim, or anything like that.

Yes, why the HELL is Christianity so politicisedin America; they're starting to make the Northern Ireland Protestants look moderate at this stage.

I'm quite curious about that myself too.

We had a Southern Baptist visit my church the other time, some guy from somewhere in US came to Malaysia for a holiday and visit on a Sunday. He started making trouble for kicking youth's for not dressing 'decently' in church. Funny.

Maybe we should start a thread about it. (sorry for sidetracking from the thread)

Maybe we should start a thread about it. (sorry for sidetracking from the thread)
No, no...feel free...it was started for a reason that no longer matters...might as well make real use of it!

LOL, DUCK! ('cuz this thread just went right over your head...)

Dear Sinuhue, as I noted, I don't understand why this thread started. Then, you restated that in different words, because it went over my head. Therefore, since you are the originator of this first thought, please explain your purpose. Do you hate gay black Muslims? Is that what this is all about? Or do you believe they are under-represented? What is your point?

Yes, why the HELL is Christianity so politicisedin America; they're starting to make the Northern Ireland Protestants look moderate at this stage.

I think it might have a lot to do with the level of education in this nation, combined with the lack of actual dedication to the religion. But seriously, I am talking out my ass here, and don't have a clue.

Yes, why the HELL is Christianity so politicisedin America; they're starting to make the Northern Ireland Protestants look moderate at this stage.
im going to have to ignore that one ;)

Jail-Time!!! :D Not too sure about Saudi Arabia..

so how does that fit with what Keruvalia was saying?

hang on, hang on

how do countries like Malaysia or Saudi Arabia work that one?

The Saudi government is corrupt by the greed of men and holds its own law above that of Qur'an. I don't know much about Malaysia.

The Saudi government is corrupt by the greed of men and holds its own law above that of Qur'an. I don't know much about Malaysia.
fair enough

Dear Sinuhue, as I noted, I don't understand why this thread started. Then, you restated that in different words, because it went over my head. Therefore, since you are the originator of this first thought, please explain your purpose. Do you hate gay black Muslims? Is that what this is all about? Or do you believe they are under-represented? What is your point?
Dear Jeff-O-Matica, had you read through the posts in this thread, you would have realised that this thread was started as a response to a certain poster saying that if he really wanted to get attention, he would start a thread called, "I'm a gay, black muslim!" It is blatant spam, though it has turned into a nice little discussion on Islam and homosexuality. Since I haven't seen you around much, you obviously are not aware that the last thing I am is homophobic, racist, or anti-Muslim...although this kind of reminds me of the time I accused Occidio Multus of being white....

Occ, you must be laughing your hiney off about now! :D

The fact that you could be gay and still be part of a religion that discriminates against gays would be pretty weird.

Ya. It's like being gay OR black and being a republican.

The Saudi government is corrupt by the greed of men and holds its own law above that of Qur'an. I don't know much about Malaysia.
You know, in all fairness to what you are saying (and it's nice to have a muslim perspective on things instead of, "I know a muslim, and he says..."), ALL religions have been twisted at some point away from their original intentions. Just look at the rise of fundamentalism EVERYWHERE it seems lately...whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever. None of these religions has a specific issue with homosexuality, but they have all been spun that way by certain groups. Homosexuality has been criminilised in many nations, and is still far from being accepted even in our more "liberated" (I use the term very, very loosely) nations. Why anyone would care about someone else's sexual preferences if the persons involved are consenting adults, I'll never know, but the fact is, such bigotry exists.

As for the question of being a gay WHATEVER...homosexuality, if we see it as just the way people are, and not a choice, would mean that they are homosexual first, and whatever after that. What I mean is, you don't choose to be homosexual, but you DO choose to be part of a religion.

Just my two cents.

I'm quite curious about that myself too.

We had a Southern Baptist visit my church the other time, some guy from somewhere in US came to Malaysia for a holiday and visit on a Sunday. He started making trouble for kicking youth's for not dressing 'decently' in church. Funny.

Maybe we should start a thread about it. (sorry for sidetracking from the thread)

How do Malaysian church-goers dress?

It's fairly symptomatic of American Southern Baptists that they treat Sundy services like they're sitting for a job interview with God, and God is the CEO of an American company.

They just don't see that there isn't anything inherently religious, respectful, nor professional about a suit designed for cold British weather in the days when people couldn't afford a seperate set of buttons for every shirt so it was easier to "tie" the shirt closed with a thin scarf.

If you wear such an outfit in the various warm weather southern areas you are not being professional, you are not being respectful, you are not even being especially decent. You are being a hot sweaty idiot.

I'm quite curious about that myself too.

We had a Southern Baptist visit my church the other time, some guy from somewhere in US came to Malaysia for a holiday and visit on a Sunday. He started making trouble for kicking youth's for not dressing 'decently' in church. Funny.

Hey, I just had a thought...did this Baptist get upset by the 'skirts' some Malaysian men wear? That would have been hilarious, "You damn cross-dressing gays get thee hence!" Maybe no one would let him in on the fact that it's traditional dress...

I don't care myself, but I wish you luck for you for having the 3 most hated belief, race, sexuality each at the same time. It would be pretty hard life getting ridiculed that much from every corner of the spectrum.

You know, in all fairness to what you are saying (and it's nice to have a muslim perspective on things instead of, "I know a muslim, and he says..."), ALL religions have been twisted at some point away from their original intentions.

Yes, that is absolutely true. So far, Qur'an has remained as it was originally given to Muhammed, but some governments have used small passages here and there to justify torture, murder, and terrorism. Islam itself is yet to become corrupt, but it's just a matter of time. I can only hope I am home in Paradise long before that happens.

Just my two cents.

Oh you can offer more than that, love. You seem open-minded enough to have merit around here. :)

im going to have to ignore that one ;)
Sorry, I generalise. I don't mean all NI Protestants. I'm talking about the deliberately incendiary old men who march down the streets dressed in orange, with guns in their pockets.

I'm a gay,Black-Native American, Jewish midget.

I'm a gay,Black-Native American, Jewish midget.

Will you marry me?

I don't care myself, but I wish you luck for you for having the 3 most hated belief, race, sexuality each at the same time. It would be pretty hard life getting ridiculed that much from every corner of the spectrum.
Blacks are the most hated race? And muslims the most hated of religious followers? And gays the most hated of sexual orientations? I guess it depends where you're from.

Thanks for your support...I think...

Sorry, I generalise. I don't mean all NI Protestants. I'm talking about the deliberately incendiary old men who march down the streets dressed in orange, with guns in their pockets.
i know what you meant hence the smiley :)

(although i have to say that not all orangemen are like that, just an unfortunately large number)

Blacks are the most hated race? And muslims the most hated of religious followers? And gays the most hated of sexual orientations? I guess it depends where you're from.

Thanks for your support...I think...
Blacks aren't the most hated in America, now Arabs are.

:eek: Hmmmm, call me racist, but that is TERRIFYING.

Blacks aren't the most hated in America, now Arabs are.

Ahem. Not just Arabs - just try telling someone you're a Muslim and watch the change.

:eek: Hmmmm, call me racist, but that is TERRIFYING.
Ok, racist. Now, what post are you responding to?

Ahem. Not just Arabs - just try telling someone you're a Muslim and watch the change.
Yeah, I love how everyone assumes every arab is muslim...

Yeah, I love how everyone assumes every arab is muslim...
I am well aware of that.But I was speaking about race, not religion.

I am well aware of that.But I was speaking about race, not religion.
You might be aware, but many are not...and I think the point Whispering Legs was trying to make is that it isn't just arabs that are now "the enemy", it is more any muslim, regardless of their race. Arabs just happen to fit the stereotype in people's minds the best, but go out as any ethnicity saying you're muslim, and you're bound to get associated with terrorism by some idiot, even if they don't go blaming all Christians for fundamentalists that bomb abortion clinics.

You might be aware, but many are not...and I think the point Whispering Legs was trying to make is that it isn't just arabs that are now "the enemy", it is more any muslim, regardless of their race. Arabs just happen to fit the stereotype in people's minds the best, but go out as any ethnicity saying you're muslim, and you're bound to get associated with terrorism by some idiot, even if they don't go blaming all Christians for fundamentalists that bomb abortion clinics.
Oh,sorry I strayed away from the topic. I see your point. They're being treated like criminals.

Yeah and im a Palestinian loving Jew who also believes Jesus is God and likes eating Bacon!-LOL

Ahem. Not just Arabs - just try telling someone you're a Muslim and watch the change.

No kiddin' ... I've had people I work with, who have known me for 2-3 years suddenly cease even being in the same room as me once I became Muslim.

It's weird. I often wonder what's worse ... proclaiming Islam, or coming out of the closet. heh.

Yeah and im a Palestinian loving Jew who also believes Jesus is God and likes eating Bacon!-LOL

I've met a couple of those.

I've met a couple of those.

Some of my best friends are Palestinian loving Jews, in fact. Literally.

Well not really...but so what if I was? Why would that be shocking? And which part would be more shocking...the gay, the black, or the muslim? Or would it only be shocking as a combination of all three?

Nothing shocking about being black and Muslim...a vast portion of Africans are Muslim. However being a gay Muslim might be a bit shocking, as I don't think they look kindly on homosexual behavior.

Some of my best friends are Palestinian loving Jews, in fact. Literally.

Same here. There's a Palestinian family living about a mile from me who I go see from time to time and they always offer me a martini and are, I believe, Lutheran - but I can't remember though I know they're Christian.

Same here. There's a Palestinian family living about a mile from me who I go see from time to time and they always offer me a martini and are, I believe, Lutheran - but I can't remember though I know they're Christian.

I was, of course, referring to young Israeli Jews having relations with young Palestinians (some of whom are Muslims). Thank you for having me spell it out. :-P

Thank you for having me spell it out. :-P

HAHA!! I win! I are teh winner! woooooooooooooooo!

*aherm* sorry ...