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How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:

I've been living in Hawaii all my life and IMHO, it can't be beat. The people, wide range of cultures and the climate make it a very nice place to live. Traffic in Honolulu on the other hand... OMG.

But Hawaii seems so different from the rest of the U.S....


[edit] Oh, I forgot. Cost of living here is outrageously high. Average price for a small home here is about $500,000 and is expected to rise to $600,000.

So there's a catch to everything :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I live in Connecticut, work in NYC.

I love living in the US, and (unlike many of my countrymen, including most of the anti-US ranters) I've actually BEEN outside the country. That is, I've been to 12 other nations.

Not Teh General!

Iowa- I hate it but I wouldn't live anywhere else. (I love capitalism- and poland!)

I'll be honest, I hate the US, I hate the government, I hate the contempt of the coasts, and I hate all the senior citizens in Florida. But I hate government, so living somewhere else wouldn't solve much. My opinion is that leaving the US because I hate it is just plain out stupid, might as well try and make a difference .

Iowa sux, but also roolz mad skillz at same time- 15 million pigs can't be wrong!

oh yeah, 1.65 for gas- suck it Cali and NYC!

oh yeah, I haven't been to other countries (cept canada), so I suppose you could say I don't know what I'm talking about, but most Americans (even those who have been to other countries) don't seem to have a clue what they are talking about either.

This belongs in General... NOT Nationstates.

I'm an American, and despite some shortcomings of our nation, I would not move anywhere else in the world. After all, this is my home...

Besides, my ancestors didn't move here from Ireland only to watch descendants return overseas...

I am from Pennsylvania and i like living in the United States.

although i havent ever really been outside the country, i think that there are pros and cons to pretty much every country, and while there is a fair amount of things that go on here that i dont really agree with, there are alot of other things that make me proud to be living here.

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.

oh yeah, I haven't been to other countries (cept canada), so I suppose you could say I don't know what I'm talking about, but most Americans (even those who have been to other countries) don't seem to have a clue what they are talking about either.

Speak for yourself. Can wrangle with any foreigner any day.

I love living in the US.

I've got a few ex-pats from the UK that are here in my office and they don't want to go back to the UK.

I love Massachusetts. It's my home and always will be. I couldn't care less, however, what country Massachusetts is part of.

I am a HUGE fan of America, wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

I love living in the US. How freer can you get?

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.

Here here!

As I said in a post that got over-reacted to once. If they don't like it they can leave.
America, as far as I know, does not have restrictions on emigration.
The conclusion from this is that some 280 million Americans like living there.

Meh.

I love life.

Sure I like it here as it is home.

But the romantic in me would also like living in Venice ;)

As I said in a post that got over-reacted to once. If they don't like it they can leave.
America, as far as I know, does not have restrictions on emigration.
The conclusion from this is that some 280 million Americans like living there.

It is still an assumption. The 280 million may simply view it as home.

The only people that can really "love" living in a place are the ones that have lived in other countries as well. At least traveled.....

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.

Hmm...looks like somone's been spraying the boards w/ ethanol. We need more matches.

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:
I love living where I live. The only problem is that it's a little expensive. Especially auto insurance.

How can you not love living in the U.S.? I mean, we have a cheese named after us! How many other countries, other than Switzerland, can say that?

I am a HUGE fan of America, wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
What? But your political compass score is negative in both scales! Don't you know that unless you have a score of at the very least, +8 in both scales, you are an unpatriotic liberal atheist Muslim terrorist America-hating liberal??? OMGz0rz!!!1!

I love living in the US. How freer can you get?

You really could be a lot freer, but I personally like the culture here. Lot of conflict, always moving.

What? But your political compass score is negative in both scales! Don't you know that unless you have a score of at the very least, +8 in both scales, you are an unpatriotic liberal atheist Muslim terrorist America-hating liberal??? OMGz0rz!!!1!

I did know that, but I also like defying labels, too. So, America is just Grade A perfect for me.

How Many Americans Actually Enjoy Living In The US?

If I said I did, I'd just be labeled as an uninformed conservative fascist.

Well, let's see. I have a comfortable life, not too extravagant, not too meager. I will have the ability to rise and fall on my own merits. FBI agents are not breathing down my neck because I'm not caucasian. I have ample liberties and political freedoms. My right to free speech has never been infringed. People are not shooting at me as I walk the streets. I have a lot of options, and though my school doesn't get the most funding in the world, I'm free to explore any avenues I can on my own. I have a good standard of living and can't imagine giving up this life to live somewhere else. Contrary to popular opinion, Bush does not come every night with a bunch of henchmen with guns searching out unpatriotic people.

Yeah, I like it here. To ask the question is bordering on preposterous.

-gasp!- I enjoy living in the US! How utterly racist, stupid, ignorant, fascist, bigoted, selfish, inconsiderate of me! How dare I!

If I said I did, I'd just be labeled as an uninformed conservative fascist.

Most certainly not, we are all mature adults here who are too wise to cast premature labels.

*hides in corner ready to pounce*

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:
i very much enjoy it. that's part of the problem...i am a little TOO comfortable here. if the US federal government were to (for example) add an ammendment banning gay marriage then i would have to leave the US because i cannot allow my tax dollars to support a country that writes homophobia into their constitution, but it would be extremely hard for me to leave because i like my life here so much. America is a beautiful place, and i really love living here, but there are getting to be some serious problems that cannot be outweighed purely by the enjoyment i get from my personal comforts.

It'll snow in Huntsville in the middle of summer before a gay marraige ban will be passed.

Not particularly proud to be an American under this administration, however I love what the USA SHOULD stand for.

However, I'm from Boston, Mass. and I LOVE it. I could not be prouder to be from such a great city and such a liberal state. It's paradise in the city!

Plus the Red Sox AND the Patriots - how could you go wrong?

You guys hear about the Celts big trade for 'toine?

eh. US is okay, but I've been to places I like better.

As for the flame baiters who say to move: Easier said than done. For example, if you're born in the country, you probably have plenty of family and friends. You also probably have plenty of financial ties and obligations. Expenses and paper work make moving across borders difficult. It's a pain in the ass to move across the city. Think about moving across an ocean.

The primary reasons for disliking a country are usually the very flame baiters that say 'love it or leave it' and such nonsense. And honestly, even then, it's not disliking the country. It's rooted in the dislike of a group of aggressive authoritarian-minded un-american individuals within the country that makes one want to leave usually. The constitution is great. It's when the constitution is subverted by personal ambition and political leaders that the nation is fouled.

moreover, if all those who left the nation did so, there would be a massive loss of tax revenue for rural areas of the country that depend on the "coastal elitists."

Not particularly proud to be an American under this administration, however I love what the USA SHOULD stand for.

However, I'm from Boston, Mass. and I LOVE it. I could not be prouder to be from such a great city and such a liberal state. It's paradise in the city!

Plus the Red Sox AND the Patriots - how could you go wrong?

You guys hear about the Celts big trade for 'toine?

Yeah, and they're saying Payton is going to buy out his contract with Atlanta and re-sign with Boston again.

Been to france, mexico, india, japan, germany and UK, i would live nowhere else than here.

I disaprove of the US's current political leadership, and I certainly think our current approach to international diplomacy is flat out immoral. Having said that, the US is a great place to live. The current political leaders of the US have little direct effect on my life here. I did enjoy living in Canada more in many ways - but it's hard to beat the US for higher education and for job oportunities if you're planning to go into academics.

I don't know why people think that hating a country's political leaders is the same as hating a country. That just seems silly to me.

OK, I have been to many other countries, Japan when I was really young, Great Britain, Canada, and Mexico, (and Hawaii). And I would have to say that even though I like it here, I still don't at the same time. The problem is most people glamorize the USA so much, all of my early teachers would say stuff like, "You are so lucky to live here, there is no other place where you have so many freedoms, and you should respect what you have" Well sure that may have been relativly true ten years ago, but we are getting worse, and of the places I've been there was nothing like Japan, the nicest people you will ever meet I think, but anyway that's off track, Yes I like it, but I would rather live elswhere...

From Boston, been to several countries, and I think that America is a great place to live. While Im sure many other countries in the world are wonderful, they all have their problems.

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:
There are many other places I would love to visit, but nowhere else I would want to live.

It is still an assumption. The 280 million may simply view it as home.

The only people that can really "love" living in a place are the ones that have lived in other countries as well. At least traveled.....

Ok love may be too strong. But if it was as bad as sometimes it is portrayed here they could go elsewhere.
Ignorance may be a genuine problem as well. If you had asked the majority of Russian teenagers in the 1970s if they would have preferred to move to the USA, they would have spat at you. All the information they had made that seem like a stupid idea.

Nevertheless. If it were bad, more would be leaving. What the Americans see, is more an more people arriving. Something must be causing that.

I enjoy living in the US! It's beautiful in the States and it does have its shortfalls but so does every country! I mean, hell, ask Canada. The average Canadian will tell you that they *LOVE* their country but they also dislike certain parts of it like say maybe, the weather for the people in the far north or the government and all its taxes or the medical system and all of the doctors that don't know their asshole from a hole in the ground!

When you sum it all up you're most likely to find that people *LOVE* a country that they lived in most of their life just like their most likely to remember the good times over the bad.

Also, most of the time Americans say they *HATE* their country because they're jumping on the bandwagon. People don't like to be hated and the conception is that the *WORLD* hates the US. *Thank you media!* So why would you say I *LOVE* the US if you don't want to be hated?

As for the flame baiters who say to move: Easier said than done. For example, if you're born in the country, you probably have plenty of family and friends. You also probably have plenty of financial ties and obligations. Expenses and paper work make moving across borders difficult. It's a pain in the ass to move across the city. Think about moving across an ocean.


If you are referring to me as a flame baiter, I take serious objection to that. I did leave the country where I was born and raised and had all my family ties etc. I have moved across an ocean (it was actually easier than moving across a city, if a little more expensive). I had various reasons for moving. But high up on the list was the fact that I did not like the political direction the UK was taking and nor the viable political options available there.

Any move is easier said than done.

Leaving a country really comes down to how much you value your ties to the place where you are in contrast to how much you resent/dislike the way the country is run/heading. Also your personality comes into play. I am essentially a risk taker, not everyone is.

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.
You pay for me to move to another country, and I'm there, until then, there's a little something called free speech, which means we can voice our problems with this country as much as we want. It's a shame you'd sooner shut them up and act like nothing's wrong than actually address them...

I live in one of those upper-middle class suburban areas of the US, and I like and hate the US at the same time. First of all, the likable part: Not too much violence, tolerance of everyone (well, the few republicans in my area seem to hate quite a few groups, but that's besides the point). Ok, that was quick. Onto the bad: America is hated by much of the world. The least inteligent people were the majority in the last election (there's a great chart by Time magazine comparing average IQ of each state to what political party they vote for. The whole bottom was red (republican) and the whole top was blue (democrat)). Too many people are sheltered from the outside world (I deal with people all the time who think that people making $60000 per year with two kids are considered in poverty by the government). I'd list more, but my head hurts thinking about that IQ thing again.

This doesn't mean I'm going to move, however. I know too many people here that have IQs above 100.

I love America.

I love Bush too, I mean he's like a sitcom. The bastard child of the American Government and the People.

Plus I live in one of the better states ;)

I love Bush too, I mean he's like a sitcom. The bastard child of the American Government and the People.

I laugh more during state of the union addresses than I do in a week of watching some top-rated comedy show

I love America very much, but I'm thinking of living abroad someday (in Thailand). I don't plan on renouncing my citizenship, however.

You pay for me to move to another country, and I'm there, until then, there's a little something called free speech, which means we can voice our problems with this country as much as we want. It's a shame you'd sooner shut them up and act like nothing's wrong than actually address them...

While I condem the tone in which Marrakech II phrased his opinion, it, like yours is an opinion. Free speech cuts both ways.

What I would ask is if you actually HATE the USA, not just have some problems with some things at the moment, but really HATE it, why would you want to stay. If you love, or like the country then of course you want to stay and put it right (or keep it as it is if that is your opinion of right).

I laugh more during state of the union addresses than I do in a week of watching some top-rated comedy show

Meh. Why are you upper-middle class people always liberal anyway?

I love America very much, but I'm thinking of living abroad someday (in Thailand). I don't plan on renouncing my citizenship, however.

Isn't that where your girl lives?

Not particularly proud to be an American under this administration, however I love what the USA SHOULD stand for.

However, I'm from Boston, Mass. and I LOVE it. I could not be prouder to be from such a great city and such a liberal state. It's paradise in the city!

Plus the Red Sox AND the Patriots - how could you go wrong?

You guys hear about the Celts big trade for 'toine?

Antoine Walker is so bad. You guys didn't do badly in the deal if you get Payton back, but Walker has made every team he has played for worse. He doesn't play defense and he shoots too many bad shots and has way too many turnovers.

Meh. Why are you upper-middle class people always liberal anyway?

We have more money, so we pay more taxes which get put into the schools which are able to educate us more than say, rural alabama. In school, we are able to learn what works, and what doesn't. We know that things like the trickle down theory don't work, and that tax cuts for the wealthy only benefit the wealthy. We know that if people were always conservative, we'd still be talking in grunts and using anything we could find for hunting, because sharpened rocks with sticks would be deemed to liberal. The Roman Catholic Church was conservative, to protect itself from losing power. That's what Republicans want, to protect themselves from losing power. They don't care about anyone but themselves.

On the comment of upper middle class people being liberal, I couldn't say. As a liberal, I acquired most of my values through experiences growing up destitute. And while I may have an education of an upper-middle class, I'm now solidly lower middle class, thanks to the welfare state that used to exist in this country. In my experience and not-so-humble opinion, a welfare state is essential for providing a necessary spring board to help those who fall on hard times back on their feet.

A better solution to our budgetary problems would be to focus the wasted tax dollars being used to dismantle social programs that hundreds of millions of americans have benefited from and put it to use prosecuting tax dodgers with real sentences. Collect the funds that are necessary, correct the deficit, and throw the remainder into shoring up SS. But, that makes way too much sense...

I really like living in the US. I like hats.

I Love living in the US

though I could see myself living in other countries I'll be more than content if I spend my entire life here and I'm so glad I grew up here

I love the U.S., there's such a wide variety of people you couldn't possibly learn about elsewhere. Then again I live in a democratic state so I couldn't tell you how bad it is in the south/midwest.

Seriously what could I hate?
1. Possibility of going to war
2. Have to pay for college

I'm very happy I was born and raised in the U.S. but I still want to see the rest of the world. One of these days I'm gonna take a trip to the Fatherland (Germany) and the Motherland (Africa) and see how the hell they managed to birth the Homeland (America).

I know there are better places in the world but there's nothing wrong with living in the U.S....unless you're an Indian then I'm sure you're really pissed, but we're sorry.

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.


I agree with you completly, me I love America cause it is Home to me, I have been elsewhere but there is no place like home, It does seem to me that a lot of people world wide are upset with us because of bush and his policys but for all you people outside of the USA think about this, what if we americans stoped giving? what if we brought all our troops home, do you have any idea how much that would hurt your economys? all of my tax dollars going into your aras where we have troops would be gone, all our donations to the developing countrys gone, what would happen to you all then, sure you would survie but it would be very rough on you without Americas help. So the next time you decide to bash us Americans maybe you should think about what we have done for the whole world. You actually owe your own freedoms to us, we have bailed you out so many times it is unreal. so please consider this before putting us down.

You pay for me to move to another country, and I'm there, until then, there's a little something called free speech, which means we can voice our problems with this country as much as we want. It's a shame you'd sooner shut them up and act like nothing's wrong than actually address them...

I'll drive you to Canada. How does that sound?

BTW the person you responded to is not the Federal Government, so they don't have to acknowledge your right to free speech.

I love the U.S., there's such a wide variety of people you couldn't possibly learn about elsewhere. Then again I live in a democratic state so I couldn't tell you how bad it is in the south/midwest.

Har, har. Last I checked, none of the fifty states were autocracies or anything of the sort.

Har, har. Last I checked, none of the fifty states were autocracies or anything of the sort.

I mean a state who voted for the democratic party, sorry for any confusion.

I live in one of those upper-middle class suburban areas of the US, and I like and hate the US at the same time. First of all, the likable part: Not too much violence, tolerance of everyone (well, the few republicans in my area seem to hate quite a few groups, but that's besides the point). Ok, that was quick. Onto the bad: America is hated by much of the world. The least inteligent people were the majority in the last election (there's a great chart by Time magazine comparing average IQ of each state to what political party they vote for. The whole bottom was red (republican) and the whole top was blue (democrat)). Too many people are sheltered from the outside world (I deal with people all the time who think that people making $60000 per year with two kids are considered in poverty by the government). I'd list more, but my head hurts thinking about that IQ thing again.

This doesn't mean I'm going to move, however. I know too many people here that have IQs above 100.


Sorry dingleberry, it is not true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp The link sort of makes you look like the stupid one for believing in such nonsense.

BTW you really think all of those crack smokers in the major metropolitan areas are going to boost the states IQ?

Theres some things you must put aside when answering this question.

Screw politics.

America is where I live.
Simple as that.

Yes, there are things I dont like about this country, and yes there are things that the administration do that really piss me off, and yes, I think Bush is the biggest asswipe in office in decades.

But again, this is where I live.

In this country, you have more chances to rise above the shit, than anywhere else.
Life sucks, plain and simple, and no matter where you live you'll have to put up with a ton of shit in your life.
Its just the way life is.

So, the way America is being run, is just some of the shit that I have to live with.

But for now,

I can do whatever I want as long as I stay within the law.
I can say whatever I want to.
I can express my opinions without fear of reprocussions from those in charge.
I am free to pursue whatever brings me happiness, as long as it doesnt impede anyone elses happiness.

In my hometown,
I can leave my house unlocked without fear of someone breaking in and stealing my stuff.
I can leave the keys in my car accidently, and no one is likely to steal it.

I dont have to worry about car bombs.

I am free to succeed on my own merits, or fail, depending on my ability.

When all is said and done, its not patriotism that makes me enjoy the place I live...

Its home.

Sorry dingleberry, it is not true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp The link sort of makes you look like the stupid one for believing in such nonsense.

BTW you really think all of those crack smokers in the major metropolitan areas are going to boost the states IQ?


and the average trailer-dwelling, wife beating, spam eating, beer swilling, militia member who loves jesus and nascar , that voted for Bush is?

and the average trailer-dwelling, wife beating, spam eating, beer swilling, militia member who loves jesus and nascar , that voted for Bush is?


Or the high school dropout, AIDs riddled, IV drug using, slum dwelling, wife beating, soup kitchen visiting, Mad Dog drinking, illegal gun owner who loves Jesus, the DNC, and crack, that voted for Kerry is?

Sorry dingleberry, it is not true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp The link sort of makes you look like the stupid one for believing in such nonsense.

BTW you really think all of those crack smokers in the major metropolitan areas are going to boost the states IQ?

All he's done is prove him self to apparently have gone to such a horrible school that it didn't teach him to check his facts.

But aside from that his post is full enough of stupid things that it aptly labels himself. I mean come on, his superior school did teach him about those nifty things called percentages right?

and the average trailer-dwelling, wife beating, spam eating, beer swilling, militia member who loves jesus and nascar , that voted for Bush is?

And the average Ivy League educated CEO that voted for Bush is?

40% of Californians voted for Bush. 40% of Los Angeles Residents voted for Bush. The majority of the wealthy in this country voted for Bush. They might be motivated by greed, maybe, but they’re not stupid.

All he's done is prove him self to apparently have gone to such a horrible school that it didn't teach him to check his facts.

But aside from that his post is full enough of stupid things that it aptly labels himself. I mean come on, his superior school did teach him about those nifty things called percentages right?

You betcha.

It's fools like him that give us bad names. Seriously if he thinks money solves educational problems, then he really is a tard.

Seriously if he thinks money solves educational problems, then he really is a tard.
It doesn't solve educational problems, but it helps greatly. Last time I checked, money is still the thing that buys stuff, like books, and good teachers.


All he's done is prove him self to apparently have gone to such a horrible school that it didn't teach him to check his facts.
Pity I assumed a major news source didn't lie. Oh well. Not my fault I don't double check ever single thing I hear like the republicans do (Dan Rather issue, anyone?)

The majority of the wealthy in this country voted for Bush. They might be motivated by greed, maybe, but they’re not stupid.
So that leaves two groups of people who vote republican: The idiots who don't know better, and the rich bastards who want more money for themselves. Great bunch of people you've got there.

I mean come on, his superior school did teach him about those nifty things called percentages right?
Oh yes, I learned about them. You don't seem to have a point, though. Better luck next time.


I'd say something rude, but it might involve words that aren't in the republican vocabulary. I'll be nice and refrain. :P

its fairly rare for anyone to hate the country they live in. even the crappiest countries are full of people love them. they overlook the bad government, the bad economy, the bad infrastructure. they love their culture, their families, their people.


why should americans be any different?


there are no perfect governments. every country is full of assholes. you cant get away from human nature. if you think you can leave the US and find a place that doesnt do stupid things, youre wrong. you may find a new home that you love but it will be because of the culture, the families, the people, not because they have a better government.

exactly, but that doesn't mean we won't have a good time complaining about it :p

It's fools like him that give us bad names. Seriously if he thinks money solves educational problems, then he really is a tard.

And I suppose prayer and corporal punishment does, eh? <snort> Whatever.

I don't always like what America does, but I love what it could be.

exactly, but that doesn't mean we won't have a good time complaining about it :p

thats part of what i love about the US!

If you are referring to me as a flame baiter, I take serious objection to that. I did leave the country where I was born and raised and had all my family ties etc. I have moved across an ocean (it was actually easier than moving across a city, if a little more expensive). I had various reasons for moving. But high up on the list was the fact that I did not like the political direction the UK was taking and nor the viable political options available there.

Any move is easier said than done.

Leaving a country really comes down to how much you value your ties to the place where you are in contrast to how much you resent/dislike the way the country is run/heading. Also your personality comes into play. I am essentially a risk taker, not everyone is.

Actually, I was referring more to Marakech (sp?)'s frothing at the mouth, but the whole, "if you don't like it, get the F*** out." is more than a little obnoxious. I've already just moved 3,000 miles just a year ago. The northwest US is close enough to being another country, but the tax policies are among the most pathetically regressive I've seen. Within 8 years I should have the funds to go the 8,000 or so that I want.

Glad you like it better here. I was thinking the UK seemed headed in a better direction than anything. ;)

It doesn't solve educational problems, but it helps greatly. Last time I checked, money is still the thing that buys stuff, like books, and good teachers.

And we have consistently been increasing the funding for schools with almost no improvement. Another solution needs to be found.

Pity I assumed a major news source didn't lie. Oh well. Not my fault I don't double check ever single thing I hear like the republicans do (Dan Rather issue, anyone?)

Pity, that particular piece of information has been proven wrong since 2002, seeing as it was originally just a hoax for the 2000 election. You've had 3 years to become informed that it was false, you have no excuse.

Never mind the fact that you were dumb enough to actually believe the IQ list in the first place. The notion that it could even be possible for the average IQ to be 85 in Mississippi while at the same time the average IQ in California is 101 is simply stupid. You demonstrated your own bigotry and stupidity by believing it in the first place.

So that leaves two groups of people who vote republican: The idiots who don't know better, and the rich bastards who want more money for themselves. Great bunch of people you've got there.

You're not really familiar with the concepts of debate, evidence or even tact are you? All I see on the democratic side is a group of idiots who don't know better and tree hugging hippies with a distorted view of reality. Great bunch of people you got there. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, I learned about them. You don't seem to have a point, though. Better luck next time.

Bush's tax cuts were percentages and they affected all income levels. But you went ahead and ranted about "tax cuts for the wealthy." I must assume that you "learned" about percentages but got an F on that particular test.

Glad you like it better here. I was thinking the UK seemed headed in a better direction than anything. ;)

Minor point. I am not there. Look at my location under my name, it tells the truth for once.

It is surprising how misleading things can appear from the outside. I am sure that the US is nothing like it is painted to be by either side of the debate here. The UK isn't that bad, it just was, and still is heading a direction I don't like.

And we have consistently been increasing the funding for schools with almost no improvement. Another solution needs to be found.

Nuke the southern states? :D

In all seriousness, you've got a point there. I still think, however, that funding affects it a bit


Pity, that particular piece of information has been proven wrong since 2002, seeing as it was originally just a hoax for the 2000 election. You've had 3 years to become informed that it was false, you have no excuse.

Never mind the fact that you were dumb enough to actually believe the IQ list in the first place. The notion that it could even be possible for the average IQ to be 85 in Mississippi while at the same time the average IQ in California is 101 is simply stupid. You demonstrated your own bigotry and stupidity by believing it in the first place.

Sorry, I'm not the kind of loser that sits around all day on the computer, looking up hoaxes and such. I prefer having fun.


You're not really familiar with the concepts of debate, evidence or even tact are you? All I see on the democratic side is a group of idiots who don't know better and tree hugging hippies with a distorted view of reality. Great bunch of people you got there. :rolleyes:

I never said us democrats were all that great either. I'm just saying that I believe that the good on the democrat side outweighs the good on the republican side. I'm not one of those super-liberals. I just think that change is good every once in a while

Bush's tax cuts were percentages and they affected all income levels. But you went ahead and ranted about "tax cuts for the wealthy." I must assume that you "learned" about percentages but got an F on that particular test.
Percentages affect everyone equally. This means, however, that the amount of money the wealthy don't pay anymore is more than the amount of money the poor don't have to pay anymore. Therefore, the rich benefit more than the poor.

Percentages affect everyone equally. This means, however, that the amount of money the wealthy don't pay anymore is more than the amount of money the poor don't have to pay anymore. Therefore, the rich benefit more than the poor.

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Well said!!

96.03% of all Income Tax collected by the IRS is paid by the top 50% of wage earners. That 50% mark is at $28,528. ...So where do we put the rich/poor line? How about rich/middle class?

Tax cut for the rich? Nah. It's a tax cut for those that actually *pay* taxes.

I mean a state who voted for the democratic party, sorry for any confusion.
Again, that doesn't mean much. It means you outnumber the republicans in your state by a little bit.

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there?

I dunno ... I can stand on the White House lawn with a sign that says, "George W. Bush can go fuck a donkey!" and not get arrested.

I kinda like it here.

I dunno ... I can stand on the White House lawn with a sign that says, "George W. Bush can go fuck a donkey!" and not get arrested.

I kinda like it here.

Isn't the White House lawn fenced in? You could stand outside the White House fence wth a sign that says, "George W. Bush can go fuck a donkey!", but if you were on the lawn itself I think you'd get taken down fast.

There is no better leadership, government, nation, country, society, people or geography in the world than that found in the USA. I am proud to count myself among her generous citizens. Each state has a unique physical beauty. Her leadership is principled and noble and her government is unmatched in potential. God bless the USA!

That makes me want to cry






It's sad how so many people get brainwashed like that each day :D

Funny, I thought about this earlier today.

I honestly love living in the US. I may not agree with our government all the time and what not, but there is just something about America that makes me love it. I do want to live in Europe for a few years just to get a taste of another culture and learn a new language.

Anyway the riddle in my dorm has been posted and I am off to solve it.

I enjoy living in the US. Despite the situation now, we have more freedom here than we would anywhere else in the world.

That makes me want to cry

Jealous, bitter, shallow-minded people cry all the time. You'll get used to it.

The least inteligent people were the majority in the last election (there's a great chart by Time magazine comparing average IQ of each state to what political party they vote for. The whole bottom was red (republican) and the whole top was blue (democrat)).
Not only was it not created by Time Magazine, the entire list was a sham. It was a fake, with no basis in fact.

Not only was it not created by Time Magazine, the entire list was a sham. It was a fake, with no basis in fact.
Hmm, black people tend to score lower on IQ tests. Does that mean the tests also have a bias against conservatives.

At least the one about Black people is documentable.

Jealous, bitter, shallow-minded people cry all the time. You'll get used to it.

As I would guess you know from personal experience. How long did it take to get used to it?

IOh well. Not my fault I don't double check ever single thing I hear like the republicans do
Yes it is.

I'll estimate that 90% of Americans love living here. Of that other 10%, half are liberals who think America is too conservative, and the other half are conservatives who think America is too liberal.

Hmm, black people tend to score lower on IQ tests.
Maybe if they had equal education as whites, they would score higher.

Hmm, black people tend to score lower on IQ tests. Does that mean the tests also have a bias against conservatives.

The list isn't based on any IQ test results. The numbers were made up.

As I would guess you know from personal experience. How long did it take to get used to it?
You sharp wit is stinging. Oh ouch. Please no. stop. You're killing me. (yawn)

Hmm, black people tend to score lower on IQ tests. Does that mean the tests also have a bias against conservatives.

At least the one about Black people is documentable.

CORRECTION: African Americans without proper education tend to score lower on verbally-based IQ tests because of language differences. This is well-documented. Blacks who have been given equal education and language exposure do as well as whites. Unfortunately, very few African Americans compared to their white counterparts are afforded that opportunity.

I am multiracial, and my IQ tests scores are in the Genius level.

As for living in the US:

I don't at the moment, I live in China. There are a LOT of things wrong with the US, especially in terms of the government. I can see that more clearly in China. That being said, I can also say China is far worse in many aspects, and that I appreciate the freedoms in the US much more. Those are eroding quickly at home, and that is why I am particularly resentful of my country right now. We HAVE the freedoms and are trading them for a false sense of security -- I can't imagine why we would do that. It saddens me. It angers me.

I love my country. I really do. I miss home, because there are many good things about it. I also think a lot of things are declining, and we need to be vigilant against that. That's now "America-bashing": our government and our culture set us up to be able to criticize for a REASON.

So many people now forgot that criticism is not necessarily a Bad Thing (tm).

Ge-Ren

Maybe if they had equal education as whites, they would score higher.
IQ measures intelligence, not education.

U.S. is great, except for the slums that domininate every city. :eek: Also,can't say i'm proud of a few things our country has done. :(

CORRECTION: African Americans without proper education tend to score lower on verbally-based IQ tests because of language differences. This is well-documented. Blacks who have been given equal education and language exposure do as well as whites. Unfortunately, very few African Americans compared to their white counterparts are afforded that opportunity.

Ge-Ren
So then asians must be going to the best public schools of all. Or did you forget they have the higher scores. Why do you measure blacks against second best?

I've been living in Hawaii all my life and IMHO, it can't be beat. The people, wide range of cultures and the climate make it a very nice place to live. Traffic in Honolulu on the other hand... OMG.

I lived in Hawaii for four years and overall the people were nice, but then there were the anti-White cliques preaching Asian supremacy. That's really the only problem I saw with the people there, and that was mostly the japanese ethnics.

America, overall, I don't care for. I wouldn't mind it if I was born in Germany or Austria or Slovakia... not that America is terrible all the time.

So then asians must be going to the best public schools of all. Or did you forget they have the higher scores. Why do you measure blacks against second best?

That was outright racism. Racism is the belief that one race is better than another and you just implied that asians are better than Europeans.

Why the heck would you not like it, besides the minor issue that part of your tax gets wasted on people who wouldn't work?

So many for liberities than other countries, and just a pretty place...

That was outright racism. Racism is the belief that one race is better than another and you just implied that asians are better than Europeans.
Asians score higher on IQ tests than all others. Draw your own conclusion. Nobody said anything about them being any better or not.

Besides, Asians are no more homogenous than whites. There are italians, Germans, French, English, etc. There are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Cambodian, etc.

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:

They're probably all flaming liberals disillusioned with reality and the rest of the world. Ignorance aside, America is a great place to live.

As someone who was born in Russia and lived there until 91, I couldn't be happier with my new home and neither could my parents.

Asieans score higher on IQ tests than all others. Draw your own concludion. Nobody said anything about them being any better or not.

Besides, Asians are no more homogenous than whites. There are italians, Germans, French, English, etc. There are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Cambodian, etc.

Africans are no more homogeneous, either. Blacks in America just tend to refer to themselves as black or African and not Ghanan or Nigerian and Senegambian or Zulu or Ethiopian.

IQ scores mean much less than you think they mean. If Asians are so intellectually superior, how was Europe able to colonize the world? The post I quoted clearly refered to Europeans as "second best." That implies there is a better, which is racism.

91? Damn, you are old.

Asians score higher on IQ tests than all others.

This is also not true. You gather IQ scores from Asians living in America, but not from China and Korea and southeast Asia. Whereas with Europeans, their nations are developed enough to gather average IQ scores from Germany, the United Kingdom, France, etc. Therefore, there is bias in every sample thus conducted on the matter and no conclusive proof that asians are better than Europeans.

Africans are no more homogeneous, either. Blacks in America just tend to refer to themselves as black or African and not Ghanan or Nigerian and Senegambian or Zulu or Ethiopian.

IQ scores mean much less than you think they mean. If Asians are so intellectually superior, how was Europe able to colonize the world? The post I quoted clearly refered to Europeans as "second best." That implies there is a better, which is racism.
no, a score is better if it is higher, (except in golf) it does not imply rank onto its owner beyond the context of what it measures.
You are trying to make yourself look smart by critisizing symantics. It is having the inverse effect. Beyond that I am not sure what your goal is. You have missed completely the point of my original use - which was sarcasm. If you were really an intellectual it would not have been missed.

no, a score is better if it is higher, (except in golf) it does not imply rank onto its owner beyond the context of what it measures.
You are trying to make yourself look smart by critisizing symantics. It is having the inverse effect. Beyond that I am not sure what your goal is. You have missed completely the point of my original use - which was sarcasm. If you were really an intellectual it would not have been missed.

You are trying to look smart by probing into my motives and reporting findings that are false. I am standing up against yet another attack on my race. Get off your high horse which you justify with such a superficial number as an IQ score.

Southern California is a nice place to live.

It's all I've known. Really, I wouldn't live anywhere else if given the choice.

Home is home, and this is home.

Ho yeah.

You are trying to look smart by probing into my motives and reporting findings that are false. I am standing up against yet another attack on my race. Get off your high horse which you justify with such a superficial number as an IQ score.
First phase - denial....

Yeah, you keep wishing asians were a master race of sorts.

Yeah, you keep wishing asians were a master race of sorts.
secnd phase - depression

It's not as bad as some other places but I can't say I agree with anything the current president has done. Plus, I'm a very liberal girl in a very conservative area (West Virginia), but I can think a million places I'd hate more. Then again, I can think of a million places I'd rather be.

I like living here. I don't exactly like our goverment, but I wouldn't be anywhere else. Oklahoma is my home and it will stay that way. :D

I love the US!!! I've been to 7 different countries from socialist Denmark to developing Mexico and I think that America is much better. America is the most diverse, most powerful, the most influential, and has more opportunity than any other nation in the world. If America wasn't such a great country, than explain the 300,000 legal immigrants that come in every year and the 12 million illegal that are already here.

God Bless Capitalism, Freedom, and Equal Opportunity.

The U.S.A is by far the best country IMO.

Just curious, what does IMO mean?

Just curious, what does IMO mean?

OOC: "Oh My God".

I live in Suburban Chicago and wouldn't want to be anywhere else. GO BEARS!!!!

This thread needs to be put down.

I am a Texan first, and an American second,

but I love America and wouldn't live anywhere else - and yes I've been to Europe and the USSR ( back when it was the USSR )

Nuke the southern states? :D

In all seriousness, you've got a point there. I still think, however, that funding affects it a bit

At this point, the funding is more than adequate. The entire school system needs a revision, and I have no idea what kind of revision it will take.

Sorry, I'm not the kind of loser that sits around all day on the computer, looking up hoaxes and such. I prefer having fun.

So I'll just repeat the other part again. You proved yourself to be an arrogant dumbass seeing as you were dumb enough and self-righteous enough to believe it in the first place. Anyone who believed that "chart" demonstrates himself or herself as an idiot.

I never said us democrats were all that great either. I'm just saying that I believe that the good on the democrat side outweighs the good on the republican side. I'm not one of those super-liberals. I just think that change is good every once in a while

And you're also ignorant enough to not even know the two sides. Republicans are probably demanding more change than the Democrats. Republicans were behind civil rights. Republicans were behind the freeing of slaves and Republicans are behind changing the entire tax code and changing the way the nation runs. Democrats want different changes, but make no mistake, neither party is actually promoting no change at all.

Percentages affect everyone equally. This means, however, that the amount of money the wealthy don't pay anymore is more than the amount of money the poor don't have to pay anymore. Therefore, the rich benefit more than the poor.

What, no really? You mean the people that pay the most taxes benefit the most, in absolute terms, when you change the percentages? Why smack me with a 2x4 I had no idea... :rollleyes:. Equal percentage changes is the only way it can ever be called an equal change. It benefited all people and was not a tax cut for the wealthy seeing as everyone benefited.

I live in America and I'm happy with what I have here; wouldn't trade it for anything

I love this country--have lived in germany for a while, visited many other euro nations but couldn't live there (maybe switzerland) for an extended period of time. Sure some things bother me at times, but the opportunities to succeed are unrivaled.

I love Massachusetts. It's my home and always will be. I couldn't care less, however, what country Massachusetts is part of.

GO RED SOX!!

Sorry, I'm not the kind of loser that sits around all day on the computer, looking up hoaxes and such. I prefer having fun.





I think I know what kind of '"fun" you enjoy, pink. ;)

See, here's what I love about America.

We always complain about everything and we always want everything to be better than it is now, even when we know in the back of our minds that we're a lot better off than other countries. We're deeply divided by our political beliefs and some of us identify with our states/cities more than we do with our country. At the same time, though, when something horrible like 9/11 takes place, we can forget all of these differences and be one nation. That's the test of true patriotism.

Just curious, what does IMO mean?

In My Opinion.

IMHO is another version, adding the word Humble.

See, here's what I love about America.

We always complain about everything and we always want everything to be better than it is now, even when we know in the back of our minds that we're a lot better off than other countries. We're deeply divided by our political beliefs and some of us identify with our states/cities more than we do with our country. At the same time, though, when something horrible like 9/11 takes place, we can forget all of these differences and be one nation. That's the test of true patriotism.

Oh Ameica so much patriotism musy be clogging up your brain, you swear allegance to a bit of coloured material, you have a monkey for a president and you cant even spell or pronounce words correctly, America get a life!!!!

I love the US!!! I've been to 7 different countries from socialist Denmark to developing Mexico and I think that America is much better. America is the most diverse, most powerful, the most influential, and has more opportunity than any other nation in the world. If America wasn't such a great country, than explain the 300,000 legal immigrants that come in every year and the 12 million illegal that are already here.

God Bless Capitalism, Freedom, and Equal Opportunity.

This is only because you are just plain ignorant, most Americans wouldnt be able to tell a Chinese form an Indian!!!. 12 million illegal, if you know about this number why havent they been moved back!!! It's not as if you don't know about them!!

I was born and bred in the worst part of Brooklyn, NY. I've travelled all across America and live in the south now. I've been to Europe (all over), China, the Caribbean, Brazil, Mexico and Canada. There are truly some great places in the world, but if I had to choose a home, of course it would be anywhere in the United States, where I was literally able to shape my future the way I wanted. Of all the places I've visited, I think if I was born in any one of them I would never have been able to see the world and be as successful as I have here in the States.

I was born and bred in the worst part of Brooklyn, NY. I've travelled all across America and live in the south now. I've been to Europe (all over), China, the Caribbean, Brazil, Mexico and Canada. There are truly some great places in the world, but if I had to choose a home, of course it would be anywhere in the United States, where I was literally able to shape my future the way I wanted. Of all the places I've visited, I think if I was born in any one of them I would never have been able to see the world and be as successful as I have here in the States.

Ignorance is Bliss!!! :) :mp5:

Ignorance is Bliss!!!

Look, I don't know where you're from or why you have these feelings of inadequacies when it comes to America. My advice to you is to please give the Christian Children's Fund people back thier laptop and go eat your bowl of corn like a good little savage. If you behave, later you can dance around the campfire and cast the sacrificial chicken into the volcano.


:)

Look, I don't know where you're from or why you have these feelings of inadequacies when it comes to America. My advice to you is to please give the Christian Children's Fund people back their laptop and go eat your bowl of corn like a good little savage. If you behave, later you can dance around the camp fire and cast the sacrificial chicken into the volcano.

1. We as Brits know how low the average American IQ is.
2. Dont use cliched metaphors it just makes you sound more stupid than you already are
3. Try living in India, you'll notice that it is a more free country than America could ever be.

P.S. I am Catholic so dont go using that stealing of Christain Funds crap on me. Coz i'll kick your tiny American butt!!!

1. We as Brits know how low the average American IQ is.
2. Dont use cliched metaphors it just makes you sound more stupid than you already are
3. Try living in India, you'll notice that it is a more free country than America could ever be.

Oh, you're English. That explains quite a bit. No wonder you're being led around like a puppet. Post something else.

Actually, stew on it for awhile or post it anyway and pretend you got the last word in. Good night.

Oh Ameica so much patriotism musy be clogging up your brain, you swear allegance to a bit of coloured material, you have a monkey for a president and you cant even spell or pronounce words correctly, America get a life!!!!

Indeed?

Oh, America! You have so much patriotism it must be clogging up your brain. You swear allegance to a bit of coloured material, have a monkey for a President and you can't even spell or pronounce words correctly. America get a life!!!!

Oh, you're English. That explains quite a bit. No wonder you're being led around like a puppet. Post something else.

Actually, stew on it for awhile or post it anyway and pretend you got the last word in. Good night.
When did he say he was English? He said he was a brit.

I'll get my army of highlanders to...

I dunno, the Scottish suck at most things. Except obesity!

When did he say he was English? He said he was a brit.

I'll get my army of highlanders to...

I dunno, the Scottish suck at most things. Except obesity!

Sorry, gotta disagree with you there. Every nation has good and bad in it.

Sorry, gotta disagree with you there. Every nation has good and bad in it.

No, he's right. Scots do suck. And I'm half Scottish. (And half English ;) ).

Indeed?

Oh, America! You have so much patriotism it must be clogging up your brain. You swear allegance to a bit of coloured material, have a monkey for a President and you can't even spell or pronounce words correctly. America get a life!!!!
hehehe, thanks, i was going to do that as well.

hint to the trolls: don't attack the language skills of others unless you are able to form a cogent and accurately spelt post of your own.

I feel that I am truly blessed to be a citizen of the US. As a child, on Memorial Day, my dad's family would have a big family reunion at a cousin's house in Missouri. EVERONE who could possibly make the trip was there. I remember a couple of "old" ladies (now that I am older, I think they have not been so old as much as they were worn) that were there most years. They spoke little English. They stayed together in an out of the way corner and spoke little. We children were not allowed to be loud or rowdy around them as they were easily startled and easily frightened. I remember that if you sat quietly on the floor at their feet, they would stroke your head and give you treats. I had especially long hair and one of the ladies, Nana Marie, loved to brush my hair until it crackled. The other lady, Nana Lavare, always gave me hankies and scarves that she had embroidered with my name. I thought I was an artist (oh, the misconceptions of youth), and would give them page after page of drawings of horses and dogs. I was fascinated with numbers that they had drawn on the inside of their forearms. I couldn't understand why they did this as I knew it was wrong to write on yourself with a pen. I was unfamiliar with tatoos. By the time I was 12 or so both had passed away. It wasn't until a few years later that my parents explained the tatoos and the ladies' nervous fears. They explained how my Nanas (actually distant cousins) had lost their husbands, children, parents, siblings...everyone...in the camps. They told me that my Nanas had suffered greatly and had lived with another cousin's family and how the whole family contributed to their support and care.

I am so blessed that I live in a country where I never have to worry about being singled out because of my heritage or religion. I am blessed that the people I work with, German, Vietnamese, Scottish, African American, and Jewish, will never be persecuted for their heritage or religion. I have a comfortable home, good food, good friends, and I live my life as I want. I have a voice in my government on all levels.

I can vacation in my own country and visit mountains, ocean, desert, plains, farmland, or city. I can emerse myself into unique cultures from Asian to Cajun, Indian to American Indian, Italian to Hispanic without a passport. I am free to learn, grow, and develop all of my potential and follow all of my dreams. The only thing that hinders my progress is myself.

I love the United States and I thank God every day that He blessed me by making me an American.

Well I am not an American in the "normal" sence. I was born in the U.S. and according to their laws I am an American citizen but I am not an American by blood, you know what I mean. I'm Icelandic.
But I did live ther for 3 years in North Carolina.
The South is the best damn place to live in if you live in America.

Well I am not an American in the "normal" sence. I was born in the U.S. and according to their laws I am an American citizen but I am not an American by blood, you know what I mean. I'm Icelandic.
But I did live ther for 3 years in North Carolina.
The South is the best damn place to live in if you live in America.

Except for Native American Indians, none of us are American by blood. But, we're all American, anyway. You're absolutely right about the South. The people here are so open and friendly, the climate is warm, and the food is great! :D

Except for Native American Indians, none of us are American by blood.
um, what? not being born Native American means you aren't Native American. being born in America and identifying yourself as an American citizen makes you American. the whole point of this country is that your ethnicity doesn't determine how American you are...anybody born and bred here is American by blood.

um, what? not being born Native American means you aren't Native American. being born in America and identifying yourself as an American citizen makes you American. the whole point of this country is that your ethnicity doesn't determine how American you are...anybody born and bred here is American by blood.

Maybe I worded that wrong. Native American Indians are the only ones who can trace their ancestral source to America. The rest of us are descended from immigrants. ALL of us, however, are equally American. The citizen that gained his citizenship yesterday is as much an American as you or I.

It is still an assumption. The 280 million may simply view it as home.

The only people that can really "love" living in a place are the ones that have lived in other countries as well. At least traveled.....

I live in India and the USA and unfortunately travel to Europe often.

If I was poor but smart/hardworking I would definately prefer to be in the USA. From all the countries I have visited/lived in, it is by far the place to be if your willing to put a little effort into making your life better.

Beyond that, country prefferances all come down to which culture you you are more comfortable with. I (like many of my relatives) am willing to sacrifice some money in return for the increased quality of life that I have by residing(mostly) in India. Still get home sick(NYC) though every few months and have to go spend a week or two there.

It'll snow in Huntsville in the middle of summer before a gay marraige ban will be passed.

1) a Federal gay marriage should not pass because it is none of the Federal govts business.

2)Hello, wake up there buddy. Many states have already banned gay marriage through the refferendom process.

3) the govt should get out of the marriage business entirely, its none of the govts(state and federal) business. Marriage should be a church/religious thing. If X number of guys and Y number of girls want to get together and called themselves married, thats there own damn business. That being said, it still makes me physicaly sick when i see two guys kiss or hold hands...but thats my problem, not theirs.

Been to france, mexico, india, japan, germany and UK, i would live nowhere else than here.

mexico can be fun.

How did u like India? I live there(mostly) now

You pay for me to move to another country, and I'm there, until then, there's a little something called free speech, which means we can voice our problems with this country as much as we want. It's a shame you'd sooner shut them up and act like nothing's wrong than actually address them...


Free speech(for those of you that dont know) only applies to the congress making laws against it. Just as you have the right to say what you please, so other have the right to tell you to get the hell out. Technically, even state govt are allowed to censure speech. It is only the FEDERAL GOVT that cannot.

Oh, and free speech doesnt mean that you can evade the consequences of the things you say.

I think I know what kind of '"fun" you enjoy, pink. ;)

Good job on finding my purposefully placed easy-to-insult comment. I'd give you a prize, but it took you too long to find it ;)


:D

It seems to me that the U.S. is a good place to establish a career, but you have to put up with the savage "redneck cowboys."

Don't like it. It is a mixture of capitalism where the undeserving get to be millionairs due to the commerical industry making impossible standards so girls would buy their product and people who don't know anything can inherit more then the average working person who makes a cure for cancer(i believe this to be impossible).

Baseball players only play a game and get paid more then the president (only 400,000 a year for him). There is too much subliminal messaging and too much anticatholic and antigermanic feeling. One of the first things you hear in school is about ww2 but most forget about america's genocide and interment camps. That is why My favoritest state is Virginia but i also hate them.

American Foreign policy according to me:
Lets attack the most liberal middle eastern state whil North Korea are killing their own citizens and their family for singing a song that is not the North Korean anthem and are trying to build a nuclear warhead while also giving libya uranium hexaflouride.

How many times are people going to ask Do you hate america or Why do you hate america?

Free speech(for those of you that dont know) only applies to the congress making laws against it. Just as you have the right to say what you please, so other have the right to tell you to get the hell out. Technically, even state govt are allowed to censure speech. It is only the FEDERAL GOVT that cannot.

Oh, and free speech doesnt mean that you can evade the consequences of the things you say.

It also means if you call someone and idiot they can sue you for slander

It also means if you call someone and idiot they can sue you for slander


well, you can try. I dont know if calling someone an idiot constitutes slander though. But in the US you can sue someone for being born, it wont get far in the courts though.

well, i'm not going to read through all the inanery and chicanery, i'll just post my opinion.

my few friends and relatives live here un the u.s. i am familiar with most of the patterns of life here, and can comfortably come and go as i please.
however, most of the people here are obnoxious and stupid, not to mention judgemental as all hell. the drug laws are all fycked up, and the government is made up of people who have little ability to make good policy decisions.
there's facism in the small towns and snobbery in the cities... two sides of the same coin. our history is one of terrible slaughter and oppression, although our ideals are of freedom and peace and prosperity.

well, you can try. I dont know if calling someone an idiot constitutes slander though. But in the US you can sue someone for being born, it wont get far in the courts though.

But you can sue a company for not saying you can get fat off their food :rolleyes:

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:

It's my home... 'Nuff said.

and the average trailer-dwelling, wife beating, spam eating, beer swilling, militia member who loves jesus and nascar , that voted for Bush is?

and where i live in connecticut where 2/3 the state is liberal, half of the people that live around me think that 9/11 was a conspiracy for bush to invad afghanistan and iraq, and they think that Bush himself masterminded the whole plot to destroy the WTC. what a load of liberal paranoid bullshit

So then asians must be going to the best public schools of all. Or did you forget they have the higher scores. Why do you measure blacks against second best?

I don't understand what you mean by "second best". Perhaps my IQ is not high enough...?

Somehow, I doubt it.

I haven't personally seen the statistics on IQ scores for Asians versus other racial groups, so I cannot speak to your question. I have seen numerous statistics on how IQ tests are skewed language-wise.

That is all I am prepared to comment on.

Ge-Ren

I can make with my life whatever I want.

A lot of people seem to claim this as some kind of selling point, but how is that any different from any other western industrialised nation?

For the record, I live in the UK, find it a quaint yet boring place, and would much rather live in Sweden or Norway, which I regard as even more quaint and boring, and therefore much more my sort of place.

i love america, because it's one of the few countries where you can say you hate it. yes, i'm going to move out eventually, but i love the freedoms i have as an american.

There is too much subliminal messaging and too much anticatholic and antigermanic feeling.

No way, we hate the French way more than we hate Germans. :p

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American Foreign policy according to me:
Lets attack the most liberal middle eastern state whil North Korea are killing their own citizens and their family for singing a song that is not the North Korean anthem and are trying to build a nuclear warhead while also giving libya uranium hexaflouride.[/QUOTE]

thats true... we should have invaded North Korea, then Iran, then Iraq! (and Syria if we get around to it) Seriously though we should have invaded N. Korea instead of Iraq because the Iraqis diddnt have the man power or technology to be a threat to the US and NK most certainly isnt going to quit their nuclear programs because the US and UN is telling them to

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How many times are people going to ask Do you hate america or Why do you hate america?[/QUOTE]
yep, it seems to be one of the hottest threads going so far
And yes I love America even tho im surrounded by liberals.

Free speech(for those of you that dont know) only applies to the congress making laws against it. Just as you have the right to say what you please, so other have the right to tell you to get the hell out. Technically, even state govt are allowed to censure speech. It is only the FEDERAL GOVT that cannot.

Oh, and free speech doesnt mean that you can evade the consequences of the things you say.
:rolleyes: The point being, just because people don't necessarily like America doesn't mean they have to leave.
well, i'm not going to read through all the inanery and chicanery, i'll just post my opinion.

my few friends and relatives live here un the u.s. i am familiar with most of the patterns of life here, and can comfortably come and go as i please.
however, most of the people here are obnoxious and stupid, not to mention judgemental as all hell. the drug laws are all fycked up, and the government is made up of people who have little ability to make good policy decisions.
there's facism in the small towns and snobbery in the cities... two sides of the same coin. our history is one of terrible slaughter and oppression, although our ideals are of freedom and peace and prosperity.
Nicely put, maybe not very eloquent, but...
But you can sue a company for not saying you can get fat off their food :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure that one was thrown out of court, all-though the law suit because someone burnt themselves with coffee and it didn't warn them that it was hot first among others was pretty fucking stupid... Like it's McDonald's fault the woman was a moron that didn't understand holding scalding hot beverages between your legs while driving is a bad idea... They really need to rename "common sense" because it's a seemingly rare trait in humanity.

:rolleyes: The point being, just because people don't necessarily like America doesn't mean they have to leave.

Nicely put, maybe not very eloquent, but...

I'm pretty sure that one was thrown out of court, all-though the law suit because someone burnt themselves with coffee and it didn't warn them that it was hot first among others was pretty fucking stupid... Like it's McDonald's fault the woman was a moron that didn't understand holding scalding hot beverages between your legs while driving is a bad idea... They really need to rename "common sense" because it's a seemingly rare trait in humanity.

While I think the suit was stupid, keep in mind the following points

1) a judge reduced the fine to $600,000 from the original $6,000,000
2) after legal costs this money basically just paid for her reconstructive surgery and a a pittance to pain and suffering exp
3)she is scared badly for life in an area which is "delicate"
4)mcdonalds lost because they kept their coffee at a higher temperature than other restaurants. They do this for good reason(people like their coffee hot by the time they reach the office) but it was still at a level that can cause 3rd degree burns as opposed to being 15 degrees cooler(the norm) which wont do that type of damage.
4)I want the address of that woman so I can put a cup of really hot coffee on her doorstep every morning. Stupid bitch
5) all the more reason to keep democrats out of power, maybe we will get some real tort reform then. Either that or the trial lawyers will switch their bribes(sorry campaign funding) to the Republicans.

I love the US, but then again, ive never been anywhere else, so my opinion is based only on internet and television, and i recognize some of it to be propaganda.

I've lived most of my life in the U.S., and will probably live the rest of it here, too.

Life in America isn't perfect, but no place is. I've got to spend the rest of my life somewhere, and this little town in the rural U.S. is where I feel I have the most opportunity to live how I want to live and do what I want to do.

If I honestly believed there was a better place to live, I'd move there. We don't have an Iron Curtain here. If your American friends are constantly saying how much they hate living in America, what the hell are they still doing here?

Bleh, Michigan sucks.. people around here suck, the government sucks, the landscape sucks...

I don't like the United States, mainly due to government... I don't like Michigan mainly for the population...

Bleh, Michigan sucks.. people around here suck, the government sucks, the landscape sucks...

I don't like the United States, mainly due to government... I don't like Michigan mainly for the population...

And the vacuum created by all that sucking is keeping you there?

Oh, you're English. That explains quite a bit. No wonder you're being led around like a puppet. Post something else.

Actually, stew on it for awhile or post it anyway and pretend you got the last word in. Good night.

No she's not. She's a hunji Hindu who's parents escape in a cargo ship from INdia. They washed up on the shores of the Thames and opened a chip shop where you can buy Ganesh incense and her her taxi driving cousin take you to eht massage parlour...

When did he say he was English? He said he was a brit.

I'll get my army of highlanders to...

I dunno, the Scottish suck at most things. Except obesity!

And to think, I gave you hot, wild, violent sex and that's all you can say about me...

I GAVE YOU THE BEST NIGHT OF YOUR LIFE, SWEETIE!!

:fluffle:

No, he's right. Scots do suck. And I'm half Scottish. (And half English ;) ).

That means you are fat and have bad teeth then?

*ducks and runs*

Maybe I worded that wrong. Native American Indians are the only ones who can trace their ancestral source to America. The rest of us are descended from immigrants. ALL of us, however, are equally American. The citizen that gained his citizenship yesterday is as much an American as you or I.

There is some strong evidnce showing up in South America saying that the 'Indians' drove out the first people to colonize this land mass, who came all the way from Australia...

I love living in the US. I can make with my life whatever I want. As far as those clowns that "Hate" America. -----LEAVE..... You little ungrateful bastards.
I plan on it...

hehehe, thanks, i was going to do that as well.

hint to the trolls: don't attack the language skills of others unless you are able to form a cogent and accurately spelt post of your own.

Graci. Good to see someone else who paid attention in English. :)

Props to you, B. :cool:

I don't enjoy living in the US, but I doubt I'd enjoy anywhere else either, so I don't think it's anything about the US I dislike really..

I love this country and love living here. I don't think I could ever live anywhere else.

The least inteligent people were the majority in the last election (there's a great chart by Time magazine comparing average IQ of each state to what political party they vote for. The whole bottom was red (republican) and the whole top was blue (democrat)). I'd list more, but my head hurts thinking about that IQ thing again.

This doesn't mean I'm going to move, however. I know too many people here that have IQs above 100.

Perhpas you and your "friends" are not as smart as you think...


http://www.isteve.com/Web_Exclusives_Archive-May2004.htm#38115.6465670139

http://sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm

http://sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm

http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

It simply amazes me how people accept such things without doing even a bit of Research on the matter...

Regards,
Gaar

I like living in some parts of the US. I've only been to Canada and other third world nations. (take that to include or not include Canada as you wish). I personaly like Western Canada for it beauty, but I can't stand the easterners I've met. I like to see Oregon, Washington, B.C., Alberta, Yukon, and Alaska become it own little independed poor country. Montana should be included also. And maybe Idaho....maybe....maybe...

P.S. America is not bad by comparison to where else you could live so don't bash to hard. Politcal and ideological differences aside its not that abd of a place...::cough:: Capitalism ::cough:: on the other hand....

Currently, I'm living in Illinois, and although it's not the greatest, I still like it. All my life I've lived in the United States, and I've got to say that it is a pretty good place to live in. I think the United States is a pretty appealing country, with the exception of the current administration.

The least inteligent people were the majority in the last election (there's a great chart by Time magazine comparing average IQ of each state to what political party they vote for. The whole bottom was red (republican) and the whole top was blue (democrat)).

Completely false:

Urban Myths (http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp)

Completely false:

Urban Myths (http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp)

Ok when Urantia II said it I ignored it. But we're getting it again, 47 minutes and just three posts after it was last said so I'll say it this time.

Check the thread again. You'll find that people told him that very quickly after he said it.

If you are referring to me as a flame baiter, I take serious objection to that. I did leave the country where I was born and raised and had all my family ties etc. I have moved across an ocean (it was actually easier than moving across a city, if a little more expensive). I had various reasons for moving. But high up on the list was the fact that I did not like the political direction the UK was taking and nor the viable political options available there.

Any move is easier said than done.

Leaving a country really comes down to how much you value your ties to the place where you are in contrast to how much you resent/dislike the way the country is run/heading. Also your personality comes into play. I am essentially a risk taker, not everyone is.

Moving across a city, state, or the country is in no way to be compared to moving to another country - unless you're already a dual citizen. The paperwork is horrible (especially coming into the US), the fees are never ending, bank statements, regulations, and countless other hoops you have to go though to move into our great nation is ridiculous.

My husband moved here in November for him to stay we had to get married sooner then we planned to, filed tons of paperwork, waiting almost a year for approval for them to say he could come over on a visa, and have been dragged about.

I love living near my family and I love being where I am at but it’s because of the people, the memories, and yes some of the freedoms but I really see the government falling apart, not just Bush – though I think he is accelerating it – but the system in general is failing. We are about private interests rather than the protection and prosperity of all. We’re back to being out for number one. I’ve been to Southern Ireland, Canada, and the UK. I think Ireland is basically a calmer, more personable Wisconsin. I may have only spent nine days there but the place was friendly, open, and homely. I didn’t go on the tours we just stayed in town fro 9 days milling about getting to know the area. Canada is much like the US expect for it’s foreign policies and it’s compassion and responsibly towards the health and welfare of it’s people. The crime rate is lower because there is less of a me vs the world mentality there as well. Either one of these places I could live in quite happily.

In fact my sister and I have talked of moving to Canada if the government continues to breakdown the barrier between church and state, private and public interests, etc. We have not done it because so far the line has not been crossed and for now. I hope it never comes to that. I do love living here, I love the diversity – though expectance and understanding has a long way to go still – and I love the potential it has, but we’re letting it slip away. This is my home so I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, not a different city in the state or the country but if I did move it would probably be to one of these places. Canada where personal freedoms are given and the right to life can be shown in the simple act of giving health care to those that need it, were capital punishment is not an option, and I could feel more at home. I hope it never comes to feeling that my country, that my home isn’t somewhere I can stand to live anymore. I do love it, but it doesn’t mean I have to like where it’s heading.

Just curious, what does IMO mean?

IC (In Character): It means In My Opinion. Ignore the hostility of The Great Sixth Reich. Some of us actually attempt to not be arrogant boobs.

Ok when Urantia II said it I ignored it. But we're getting it again, 47 minutes and just three posts after it was last said so I'll say it this time.

Check the thread again. You'll find that people told him that very quickly after he said it.
Sorry - was reading thru the thread and forgot that it was so long before I posted.

Pity I assumed a major news source didn't lie. Oh well. Not my fault I don't double check ever single thing I hear like the republicans do (Dan Rather issue, anyone?)


So you wouldn't mind posting a link to the story you read?

I have yet to see Time Magazine report what you say they did, but I may have missed it...

Otherwise, are you saying you took someone else’s word that it was published in Time? And you wouldn't consider "checking" that fact before you use it to prove something here?

So we should just believe something if it comes from a Major News Source? You don't believe that they too have an agenda?

I would say that, for someone suggesting that their Political rivals are somehow "not as smart" as you and your friends, you sure showed just how simple minded YOU can be...

That you are willing to accept "some" views as Gospel while discounting others "out of hand" says quite a bit about you and YOUR agenda.

Regards,
Gaar

Oh Ameica so much patriotism musy be clogging up your brain, you swear allegance to a bit of coloured material, you have a monkey for a president and you cant even spell or pronounce words correctly, America get a life!!!!

1. Why are you so hateful? I don't remember saying anything negative or otherwise offensive in my post.

2. Patriotism is not exclusively American. Point to any country in the world and I'll show you patriotic citizens.

3. I'm assuming the colored material you refer to is the American flag. We don't pledge allegiance to the flag itself, but what the flag represents to us (freedom, liberty, individual rights, et cetera). I'm sure you've heard the word, 'symbolism'? The last time I checked, every nation in the world has a flag that its people salute. What's your point?

4. Calling President Bush a monkey because you disagree with his politics only damages your credibility, especially when you offer absolutely no factual evidence to back up your claim. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to lead a superpower, fight a war, make decisions that are closely inspected by the world, etc. I'd love to see how long you would last in his place.

5. If I were criticizing someone for misspelling words, I would try spelling words correctly myself. Practice what you preach.

I live in Texas. I like living in the United States, mainly because (while I've never been to Europe) I just don't see myself fitting in over there.

Then again, most Texans have a strong sense of loyalty to Texas, I suppose more than other states (except maybe California...they're their own nation basically, just not offically).

I think moving to anywhere else would only occur if the situation in America got very extreme (genocide basically). At which point I'd move to either Japan or Australia...and maybe New Zealand (Big maybe).

In fact my sister and I have talked of moving to Canada if the government continues to breakdown the barrier between church and state, private and public interests, etc. We have not done it because so far the line has not been crossed and for now.

You want to move to Canada because of the "breakdown the barrier between church and state" and yet...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131715,00.html

Canada Weighs Using Muslim Law

CHICAGO — In Muslim neighborhoods in Canada, some women fear the legal power handed to their religious leaders.

As long as the country's law is followed, religious leaders can play a role in Canada's legal system. But a controversy has erupted over whether Muslim law should be used.
_____________________________________________________________

Perhaps you might like to actually check that the country you are talking about moving to does not exhibit the very behavior you are saying you despise?

Regards,
Gaar

How many ppl from the US actually enjoy living there? I'm from the UK and all my US friends hate the place >> what do you think? :headbang:

Well, apparently all of them do, or else they would leave.

Well, apparently all of them do, or else they would leave.
*sighs* I just love how many people use simple-minded arguments like these as if things were that easy...

*sighs* I just love how many people use simple-minded arguments like these as if things were that easy...but it's true. if they truly hated living in the US, and I mean Truly HATED living in the US... they can alway move, and renounce their Citizenship. but when push comes to shove, you find so many people are all talk and bluster. In fact I'm still waiting for those who said they will move out if GW Bush got elected the first time to leave... funny how they're still here after the start of his Second Term... :rolleyes:

So you wouldn't mind posting a link to the story you read?

I have yet to see Time Magazine report what you say they did, but I may have missed it...

Otherwise, are you saying you took someone else’s word that it was published in Time? And you wouldn't consider "checking" that fact before you use it to prove something here?

So we should just believe something if it comes from a Major News Source? You don't believe that they too have an agenda?

I would say that, for someone suggesting that their Political rivals are somehow "not as smart" as you and your friends, you sure showed just how simple minded YOU can be...

That you are willing to accept "some" views as Gospel while discounting others "out of hand" says quite a bit about you and YOUR agenda.

Regards,
Gaar

It was in an old Time that I got at my house. I'm not going to go searching for it, since we've already proven it false. As I said before, I don't research every thing I see to make sure it's true. It is impossible for any one person to do such a thing, unless they live in a box and hear a few things each year. I made a mistake. Move on in your life.

While on the topic, are you one of those people that think that Spongebob (who is, by the way, ASEXUAL) promotes the homosexual agenda? Just wondering.

Didn't see JuNii's post until after I posted. Don't feel like editing the last post. Some mod can fix it, if they're bored. :p

but it's true. if they truly hated living in the US, and I mean Truly HATED living in the US... they can alway move, and renounce their Citizenship. but when push comes to shove, you find so many people are all talk and bluster. In fact I'm still waiting for those who said they will move out if GW Bush got elected the first time to leave... funny how they're still here after the start of his Second Term... :rolleyes:

You don't seem to realize that not everyone has the money to just pack up and leave. Not everybody is rich.

Didn't see JuNii's post until after I posted. Don't feel like editing the last post. Some mod can fix it, if they're bored. :p



You don't seem to realize that not everyone has the money to just pack up and leave. Not everybody is rich.True... however, the one's who swore to move had money, Alex Baldwin, Cher, and other Hollywood stars... and if they didn't have enough, then only Bill Gates can afford to move.

I live in upstate New York, and I love it here. There are places in other countries I'd rather live in, and there are some parts of the US (like the South or Puerto Rico) I know I'd never survive in. But I am convinced I live in the best place in the US.

upstate NY owns. period. :D

You want to move to Canada because of the "breakdown the barrier between church and state" and yet...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131715,00.html

Canada Weighs Using Muslim Law

CHICAGO — In Muslim neighborhoods in Canada, some women fear the legal power handed to their religious leaders.

As long as the country's law is followed, religious leaders can play a role in Canada's legal system. But a controversy has erupted over whether Muslim law should be used.
_____________________________________________________________

Perhaps you might like to actually check that the country you are talking about moving to does not exhibit the very behavior you are saying you despise?

Regards,
Gaar

Hey, attention to everyone who quotes this "shari'a in Canada" nonsense.

Read the article. "Two parties in a Canadian civil dispute, like a divorce, can opt to use a religious leader as a mediator, and the mediator's decision is binding. Canadian native tribes, Christians and Jews use this system."

This is not compelling people to follow Muslim law. Currently in the U.S., civil disputes can go to a mediator as well, and as long as all the parties involved in the dispute agree on the mediator, it could be Mr. Met, Osama bin Laden, or the Pope. If either party doesn't want to do that, it goes to regular court. Church and state do remain separate.

Here's the thing.

1. I love my country. I am fully committed to what we used to stand for as a nation, as a defender of freedom and liberty throughout the globe. We were a great country at one time, and we could be once more.

2. I hate the government/society. Our government is far too partisan- and this trickles down into the general population, promoting hate based on what your views are or what deity you worship. That pisses me off.

Love the country, hate the government. That about sums it up.