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I'll start you off:

1)The Mouse.

2)Bastardisation of decent storys by adding talking animals ect in.

3)There version of Robin Hood.

Dalmations

5. The disgusting mockery of SEVEN (Yes, SEVEN) vertically disadvantaged young men with a variety of social disabilities, and then forcing them to work IN A MINE. Are we barbarians!?

5. The disgusting mockery of SEVEN (Yes, SEVEN) vertically disadvantaged young men with a variety of social disabilities, and then forcing them to work IN A MINE. Are we barbarians!?
In a word ... yes

Their capacity to completely forget to include the moral of a story when they make a cartoon of it.

Example: The little mermaid
- Main moral of the original story (excluding the religious message):
Even if you are a very nice girl that makes a lot of sacrifices for her prince, he can still choose another nice girl over you.
- Way Disney included this: not.

In a word ... yes

Oh. OK, then. Disregard.

I forgot the numbers. Silly me.

4-105 Dalmations
106 Dalmation

Oh. OK, then. Disregard.
:fluffle:

3)There version of Robin Hood.
I happen to think that the Disney version of Robin Hood is the best movie ever made! The revolutionary themes used to thrill me as a child, and I think it turned me left...

Other than that though, yeah, Disney sucks.

I'm not a girl or feminist, but I mean come on - All of Disney's movies usually contain some girl or guy portraying their gender's roles.

7. For keeping Walt's head in the fridge.

8.
The fact that they think they can make a new film by adding a number on the end of another one's name....

i think this is number 9:support of the Nazis back in the day.

:fluffle:

Please, Thrust. I'm just not that sort of boy.

I'm not a girl or feminist, but I mean come on - All of Disney's movies usually contain some girl or guy portraying their gender's roles.
Yeah, even in Mulan, after masquerading as man and fighting in wars, turns into a good girly girl again at the end in order to attract her knight in shining armor. *gag*

All of these movies (the ones with a female central character) seem to be saying that all women need is to find a handsome prince to love, and everything will be ok. Submit to your fate!

I'd like to see a film with a homosexual ending...Princess Jasmine and Mulan...

Aw...I like Disney....Jungle Book forever!
Little Mermaid's morals did suck a little...but what was the original? Don't look out of your class, he will always marry his own? At least the 'there's more to love than looks' is sort of still there. (bad english...don't care right now)
Robin Hood is sweet...I mean there is not a 'right' version.
There are 101 dalmations....just 'Missis Pongo' and 'Prince' were left out, so there's 99 puppies instead of 97.
The extra animals are a little annoying (especially Flounder) but they're there for merchandise and someone the main character can talk to, like solliloquys in theatre.

Disney World.

Princess Jasmine and Mulan

:eek: Whoa baby! Now that's hot.

Heheh, but another thing is how Disney makes crappy movie 'sequals' that they try to make funny and even more 'family friendly' (intended for five year olds with brain damage).

Mulan 2? The Lion King 1 1/2?

THE LION KING 1 1/2!? WHAT IS UP WITH THAT!?

Endless merchandising to take advantage of children. Endless contracts with MacDonalds to poison said children.

Ridiculous sequels notwithstanding, I enjoy more disney movies than I do not. Lately I've been especially thrilled with Tarzan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet and especially The Incredibles.

I happen to think that the Disney version of Robin Hood is the best movie ever made! The revolutionary themes used to thrill me as a child, and I think it turned me left...

Other than that though, yeah, Disney sucks.
One of the best, anyway! This film of my childhood I remember very fondly.

i think this is number 9:support of the Nazis back in the day.

WTH? :confused:

Pixar doesn't really count
(woohoo Nemo...except now my dad wants to change our clownfish's names to Nemo and Marlin from Waggle and Woggle :( )

I've seen the 1 and 1/2....it's interesting...basically for Pumba and Timone fans.
(of course Lion King is Hamlet with a happy ending)

(of course Lion King is Hamlet with a happy ending) Ruining perfectly good shakespeare with happy endings

Pixar doesn't really count
(woohoo Nemo...except now my dad wants to change our clownfish's names to Nemo and Marlin from Waggle and Woggle :( )

I've seen the 1 and 1/2....it's interesting...basically for Pumba and Timone fans.
(of course Lion King is Hamlet with a happy ending)

It's Timon and Pumbaa, not Timone and Pumba! :mad:

*Runs away*

No, it's Retarded and Stupid. HAHAHA! WHAT NOW, FOO!?

Whatever...if they're going to pronounce it that way they might as well spell it that way.

Bad: Does weird things to twist characters to their liking. Pocahontas is supposed to be -14-, John Smith is supposed to have a beard... the Hercules movie, while entertaining in parts, is so horribly against the mythology even ignoring the pop culture applications it -hurts-

Good: New Groove, Goofy and related movies, Duck-oriented pictures, Recent Adventure-Oriented Movies, Inspired Anime as we know it.

Questionable: May also be responsible for the over-use of panty shots in anime.

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that we treat pixar as a seperate entity, at least for the purposes of this list. They are, on the whole, a creative and engaging team, they just happen to work for some dark and insidious people.

Pixar is Disney's slave. They produce beautiful work and DIsney hogs the credit.

Didn't they try to sperate from disney?

I'd like to see a film with a homosexual ending...Princess Jasmine and Mulan...
ahhhhh !!!

show me the money!!!

I mean..Show me the Pictures!!!

10. Disney's famous anti-union stance.

11.CFR member Michael Eisner

Pixar is Disney's slave. They produce beautiful work and DIsney hogs the credit.

Didn't they try to sperate from disney?
Pixar and Disney are contracted for one more film. Cars. Which looks rubbish.
From then on Pixar's on their own. If they produce a flop they have to foot the bill.

what about the hidden 'sexual' messages in the movies

Wow, somebody's cynical.

13) The Disney formula in movies

G=Good beginning
B=Bad thing
E=Good ending
F=Funny

G+B(F)+E=Movies that sells

what about the hidden 'sexual' messages in the movies
Just about all of those supposed messages aren't actually there, they're just people looking for an excuse to sue, or something like that.

Michael Eisner personally killed Jesus!

Wow, somebody's cynical.

13) The Disney formula in movies

G=Good beginning
B=Bad thing
E=Good ending
F=Funny

G+B(F)+E=Movies that sells

Looks like an eviscerated summary of Campbell to me.

what about the hidden 'sexual' messages in the movies

Sexual subtexts present in stories for children, fairy tales and folk tales? Oh no! What have they done to our long and noble tradition?*



* In case you don't get it: they have always been there. If anything Disney buries them deeper than traditional sources.

14) For 60 years, Donald Duck has been walking around without any pants.

14) For 60 years, Donald Duck has been walking around without any pants.

Pretty liberating, eh?

HOW DARE YOU ALL MOCK THE WONDERFULNESS OF DISNEY!!!!( enter gasps of shock)

Don't you just hate how allthe pretty ones end up with the handsome and wealthy princes, while the 'ugly' people clearly not loved as kids are casted as evil crones..Rise up against the power of the mouse

If a mouse is there symbol it is not surprising that there are no 'famous' cat characters....

I'd like to see a film with a homosexual ending...Princess Jasmine and Mulan...

It may mark me as a pervert, but I'm 18 and male, so its to late anyway. Check out a site called 'Hentai School', look under toons. Thats disney I can enjoy ! ;)

One reason to love Disney is its abundance of Communist and Marxist subtexts.

Princess Snow White is terrorised by an evil monarch that is her stepmother. The Queen's pompous, self-conscious superficiality is typical of the aristocracy and the royals. The good working class woodcutter spares Snow White though and the princess finds solace in the arms of seven pint-sized, hard-working proletarians.

Pinocchio is given more trouble than he can deal with when he just wants to be a "real boy" due to the pressures and, quite frankly, demanding expectations of society. He also has great difficulty not being tempted by the amoral world of gamblers (the fox and cat), exploitative circus shows (Stromboli) and child traffickers (Pleasure Island).

Ariel in the Little Mermaid just wants to be "part of the world". What she really means she wants a taste of the bourgeois high life, in such an image based capitalist world, she has to sell off her vocal chords for cosmetic surgery in order to have her handsome prince.

Lady & The Tramp is all about overcoming class divisions and is an allegory of the evils of Naziism. Being a pedigree cocker spaniel, Lady's breeders are obviously ethnic cleansers. The Tramp is considered a second class citizen for being a "mongerel", he appears to have walked out of something like the Warsaw Ghetto and has no friends (they all must have been sent to concentration camps). Lady however is able to overcome this deplorable class and race division and falls in love, much to the dismay of her yuppy, "pure bred" friends.

And lets face it, Mickey is a working class hero and wears the revolutionary colour.

Sure Disney has some misgivings (thank you Myrth for pointing out the horrible attrocity known as Disney World)

... but c'mon! They made 'The Fox and the Hound'!!!! They can't be all bad!!!

Originally Posted by Markreich
14) For 60 years, Donald Duck has been walking around without any pants.

Pretty liberating, eh?

Yet, they put *me* in jail. :(

South Carolina State Troopers. No sense of humor.

Bad.
101 dalamations in mountainous Suffolk. WTF.
101 dalamations with a SKUNK in suffolk WTF.
Pooh bear with pumpkin patches, gophers and american accents. Just wrong.
All those crappy 60's and 70's non cartoons with the same actors, plots etc.
(Herbie goes ... etc.)
Euro Disney
Good.

Ummm. Keep my kids quiet for hours????!

Why do most Disney characters wear shirts or pants, but not both?

101 dalmations is set in Suffolk you know...

The way that characters randomly burst into song, as if they've just made all the lyrics up on the spot. Then they started prancing around (swinging round lampposts, dancing in the roads) and they don't run out of breath! Totally unrealistic!

101 dalmations is set in Suffolk you know...

Suffolk: famed for its native skunks?

Yet, they put *me* in jail. :(

South Carolina State Troopers. No sense of humor.

Did you explain that you were Donald Duck?
They wouldn't have put you away then.


...not in jail, anyway.

Sunrise Agency* > Disney

*creators of Gundam

Sunrise Agency* > Disney

*creators of Gundam

Oh boy, here come the anime purists.

I despised Disney until I saw one movie...

Mean Girls

I'm a 17 year old male and I thought I was only watching it for the eye-candy (plenty of it I might add :)) but the jokes were original and the dialogue was down right histarical. So all you Disney haters can go fall down a well.

Oh boy, here come the anime purists.
I'm only joking around tho

14) For 60 years, Donald Duck has been walking around without any pants.
And yet when he gets out of the shower, he wraps a towel around his waist.....

(can't remember who pointed that out...wasn't me)

No (or practically no, I haven't kept up as of late) strong maternal figures in Disney movies. There are evil step mothers, but present mothers are rare and strong mothers are vacant. Strong fathers? All over the freakin' place.

The Vault. Assinine. Creating artificial 'crisis' for thier 'must have' product.

Did you explain that you were Donald Duck?
They wouldn't have put you away then.


...not in jail, anyway.

They didn't go for the Jaegermeister defense. I didn't want to hazzard the DD or the Chewbaca defense...

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/1641/princess2km.jpg

One reason to love Disney is its abundance of Communist and Marxist subtexts.

Princess Snow White is terrorised by an evil monarch that is her stepmother. The Queen's pompous, self-conscious superficiality is typical of the aristocracy and the royals. The good working class woodcutter spares Snow White though and the princess finds solace in the arms of seven pint-sized, hard-working proletarians.

Pinocchio is given more trouble than he can deal with when he just wants to be a "real boy" due to the pressures and, quite frankly, demanding expectations of society. He also has great difficulty not being tempted by the amoral world of gamblers (the fox and cat), exploitative circus shows (Stromboli) and child traffickers (Pleasure Island).

Ariel in the Little Mermaid just wants to be "part of the world". What she really means she wants a taste of the bourgeois high life, in such an image based capitalist world, she has to sell off her vocal chords for cosmetic surgery in order to have her handsome prince.

Lady & The Tramp is all about overcoming class divisions and is an allegory of the evils of Naziism. Being a pedigree cocker spaniel, Lady's breeders are obviously ethnic cleansers. The Tramp is considered a second class citizen for being a "mongerel", he appears to have walked out of something like the Warsaw Ghetto and has no friends (they all must have been sent to concentration camps). Lady however is able to overcome this deplorable class and race division and falls in love, much to the dismay of her yuppy, "pure bred" friends.

And lets face it, Mickey is a working class hero and wears the revolutionary colour.

ROFLMAO

Whatever Number:
1. Disney starts with D.
2. D is also in D-Day.
3. D-Day was an operation against Hitlers Germany.
4. Therefore, Disney is Hitler.

Yes, my logic amazed me too.

I really don't like Western animation much to begin with, but Disney is the worst.

Taking anime and passing it off as their own.

Ex. Kim- err- Simba; Atlantis

The way that characters randomly burst into song, as if they've just made all the lyrics up on the spot. Then they started prancing around (swinging round lampposts, dancing in the roads) and they don't run out of breath! Totally unrealistic!

It's a freakin' cartoon! That's like complaining about the animals talking. :rolleyes:

And yet when he gets out of the shower, he wraps a towel around his waist.....

(can't remember who pointed that out...wasn't me)

No (or practically no, I haven't kept up as of late) strong maternal figures in Disney movies. There are evil step mothers, but present mothers are rare and strong mothers are vacant. Strong fathers? All over the freakin' place.

The Vault. Assinine. Creating artificial 'crisis' for thier 'must have' product.

It's the same in most fairytales, there's no protecting mother figure for the hero/ine to turn to so they have to strike out on their own. Not even Shakers has them.

<insert correct number here> The incredible anti-climactic feel of Atlantis. It had so much potential at the beginning, and then it suddenly took a turn for the worst. They managed to utterly destroy the hints of back story it started with, and turn it into the most inane love-story I've ever had the displeasure of watching.

Also, that fucking princess. HATE HER SO MUCH *stab*

Also, the whole 'ancient Atlantian language' being basically an English substitution code. I know it's a movie for kids but... no, it was still moronic, even with the target audience in mind.

The antagonist death was pretty neat for a Disney movie though. Mmmmexplosions.

And everyone who doesn't like Disney World *obviously* hasn't been on Splash Mountain. God, I loved that rollercoaster so much. Stupid hour-long queues and... it being located in Florida... far away from Australia... where I am. Bah.

nth reason: "Pirates of the Caribbean"

Seriously people... bastardizing wierd fairy tales is one thing that I can slightly put up with...

But bastardizing history and putting it on the same plane as the previous disney movies... I can't handle that.

Heh I have ride postcards on my wall from Disneyland CA, (my 18th bday was in Disneyland Paris, ate in the restaurant overlooking the lagoon :cool: ) "this [skeleton] pirate captain is looking for a mate, any takers?" "Do you dare fight this ghostly pirate ship?" "Can these pirates tempt the guard dog to hand over his master's keys?" "SWASHBUCKLERS OF THE SPANISH MAIN Past Dead Man's Cove and a cave full of glittering treasure, guests come upon the salty crew of the Pirates of the Carribean." (buy your wench here scene)

Yarr! Yo ho ho ho a pirate's life for me!

Seriously people... bastardizing wierd fairy tales is one thing that I can slightly put up with...

But bastardizing history and putting it on the same plane as the previous disney movies... I can't handle that.

True...but then we don't see the journey back, so if it wasn't for Pocahontas 2 she still could have died...

Taking anime and passing it off as their own.

Ex. Kim- err- Simba; Atlantis

Yeah, never mind adding quality actors and animation.

The Lion King is the most racist movie you'll ever see. All the bad lions are black, and all the good lions are white.

The Lion King is the most racist movie you'll ever see. All the bad lions are black, and all the good lions are white.

Isn't The Lion King 2 all about how that's overcome when whats-her-face and who's-its fall in love?

Anyway, in the first Lion King the only bad lion is Scar, and he's, like, red, not black. *cuddles her Scar stuffed toy ^.^*

My least favorite Disney movie is Brother Bear because it was good at the beginning and end but you had to sit through all these stupid jokes with the moose in the middle.
My favorite Disney movie is Robin Hood because of that "Phoney King of England" song. Most of their movies are o-kay but not really something to watch over and over.

Yeah, even in Mulan, after masquerading as man and fighting in wars, turns into a good girly girl again at the end in order to attract her knight in shining armor. *gag*

All of these movies (the ones with a female central character) seem to be saying that all women need is to find a handsome prince to love, and everything will be ok. Submit to your fate!

I'd like to see a film with a homosexual ending...Princess Jasmine and Mulan...

Unless you are Belle and into Beastiality.

Just about all of those supposed messages aren't actually there, they're just people looking for an excuse to sue, or something like that.

Like the male member drawn to be one of the turrets in a castle. Don't remember what movie that was though. Mm.

My least favorite Disney movie is Brother Bear because it was good at the beginning and end but you had to sit through all these stupid jokes with the moose in the middle.
My favorite Disney movie is Robin Hood because of that "Phoney King of England" song. Most of their movies are o-kay but not really something to watch over and over.
Yeah, the disney Robin Hood may have been bastardized, but damn if it wasn't the best Disney animation there was.

Like the male member drawn to be one of the turrets in a castle. Don't remember what movie that was though. Mm.

The Little Mermaid, and the artist insisted he didn't even notice it, let alone that it was intentional - he was just drawing quickly and didn't see it like that. Which makes sense to me. *shrugs*

oh and Walt Disney the founder was a racist who supported the Nazies .

The Little Mermaid, and the artist insisted he didn't even notice it, let alone that it was intentional - he was just drawing quickly and didn't see it like that. Which makes sense to me. *shrugs*

Yes, I know artists and inkers. Nothing they do is -ever- quick.

Yes, I know artists and inkers. Nothing they do is -ever- quick.

Ehhh, maybe he meant comparitively. Maybe he was focussing on the detail and didn't notice the larger picture. Or maybe it *was* intentional, and he's just lying. The similarity isn't obvious enough for me to assume it was intentional (not like the bj girl in the icecube on those old coke posters... I *so* want one of those...)

No (or practically no, I haven't kept up as of late) strong maternal figures in Disney movies. There are evil step mothers, but present mothers are rare and strong mothers are vacant. Strong fathers? All over the freakin' place.



Yeah there are only like three animated Disney movies in which both parents of the main character are present and don't die during the course of the movie: 101 Dalmations, Peter Pan (Wendy's parents), and The Incredibles.

Which is kind of sad.

Unless you are Belle and into Beastiality.
Didn't he change into a human at the end?

Seriously people... bastardizing wierd fairy tales is one thing that I can slightly put up with...

But bastardizing history and putting it on the same plane as the previous disney movies... I can't handle that.
I think Pocohantas is my least favourite...ok, let's just say it: MOST HATED of Disney movies, because of the pathetic native stereotypes all through it. Noble savage and all that...and then the second one where she gets all dressed up and goes to England...when natives at that time were basically circus freaks in Europe...*gag*

Yes, yes! We should all boycott Disney! Then when our children complain there is nothing to watch we will set them in front of a TV drama, an action flick were loads of people get wasted, or some good
old pornography!
I am truly not sorry at all if Disney is too good for you. I personally do not watch any Disney movies any more but they tend to be the best children's movies; even if they drag out sequels like movies like Aladdin 5 or The Lion King 3. It is great you do not like them, but look at what there would be without them. Sorry if I am too unilateral for you politically, sorry if I am just too conservative, and sorry I comprehend more family values than most of you. Although, I do not think I will be sorry, I will allow you to be sorry.

Their capacity to completely forget to include
the moral of a story when they make a cartoon of it.

Example: The little mermaid
- Main moral of the original story (excluding the religious message):
Even if you are a very nice girl that makes a lot of sacrifices for her prince, he can still choose another nice girl over you.
- Way Disney included this: not.
Isn't that something that needs leaving out, they are trying to make a movie with proper morals.

Yeah, even in Mulan, after masquerading as man and
fighting in wars, turns into a good girly girl again at the end in
order to attract her knight in shining armor. *gag*It is a standard Americanism, I guess you could call it; the guy always gets the girl. It is the way the majority of people in this culture like movies to end.

All of these movies (the ones with a female central
character) seem to be saying that all women need is to find a handsome
prince to love, and everything will be ok. Submit to your
fate!It is a love story, is that not the way it should be? The handsome prince is a metaphor for the right man. It has always been like that, it probably always will be. Live with it.

I'd like to see a film with a homosexual
ending...Princess Jasmine and Mulan...Yes, I would like to see this too. Wait, I have. I forget the name of the Cartoon, as it is Japanese and hard to remember, but yes, it was a good movie.

Endless merchandising to take advantage of
children. Endless contracts with MacDonalds to poison said
children. McDonalds.

i think this is number 9:support of the Nazis
back in the day. You are a fool a fool, a fool fool fool. They did not support the Nazis back in the day, if they did, I would like a source. Google has no trustworthy sources pointing to that conclusion.
As they made anti-Nazi Propaganda, they secretly supported the Nazis, oh that is clever! You are a brilliant man! Jeez, I want you teaching my kids!

Ruining perfectly good shakespeare with happy endings
American Culture doesn't tend to like tragedy. It's a rather obvious that not many tragedians make childrens movies. On top of that, a lot of movies are bastardized versions of Shakespearean work.
You speak an infinite deal of nothing.
-The Merchant of Venice

Questionable: May also be responsible for the over-use of panty shots in anime.
Hahah, that's classic. First time I've ever heard it too!

Pixar is Disney's slave. They produce beautiful work and DIsney hogs the credit.

Didn't they try to sperate from disney?
Yes but Disney's financial success was a bit too large for Pixar to throw it away.


As much as I would love to go through the entire thread and burlesque more people; however I'm bored and I have more important things to do.

oh and Walt Disney the founder was a racist who supported the Nazies .

would that surprise any1?

the man said only female workers could have mustaches

the man was not at all nice and like a grandfather santa clausey guy!

he was a sick bastard! plain and simple

Yes, yes! We should all boycott Disney! Then when our children complain there is nothing to watch we will set them in front of a TV drama, an action flick were loads of people get wasted, or some good
old pornography!
I am truly not sorry at all if Disney is too good for you. I personally do not watch any Disney movies any more but they tend to be the best children's movies; even if they drag out sequels like movies like Aladdin 5 or The Lion King 3. It is great you do not like them, but look at what there would be without them. Sorry if I am too unilateral for you politically, sorry if I am just too conservative, and sorry I comprehend more family values than most of you. Although, I do not think I will be sorry, I will allow you to be sorry.

Oh get off your high horse! Yes, not wanting my kids to watch Disney OBVIOUSLY means I prefer them to watch veiled pornography. Excuse me while I roll my eyes. :rolleyes: The family values in Disney are pretty warped...and if that's all you can comprehend, I'm sorry you lack the vision to see beyond it.

Where would we be without Disney? Heaven's forbid we PLAY with our kids instead of parking them in front of insipid "entertainment" period? I could care less if Disney folded...it wouldn't really affect our viewing habits one way or the other. Does that make me a woman who has no family values? Please. Spare me your Disney-flag waving....hey...do you work for them or something?

As much as I would love to go through the entire thread and burlesque more people; however I'm bored and I have more important things to do.Are you sure?

Didn't he change into a human at the end?

Yes, he did but their moral was that she should have accepted him the way he was...which she did no matter him being human or not. I think her love for him set him free or something. So, in actuality it was a disappointment to Belle and she ran into the arms of that weird octopus witch from Little Mermaid.

Disney has made several cartoons about the Nazis, just like WB (although WB tended to be more visualy anti-nazi). There are three banned Disney cartoons about the Nazis that I know of, Der Fuehrer's Face, Education for death, and Hitler's Children. The cartoon Nazis are your superiors was never proved to be actually made. All are banned now.

One thing I do like about Disney. They have gay day at Disneyworld. :D

One thing I do like about Disney. They have gay day at Disneyworld. :D

Walt Disney must be spinning in his cryogenic freezer :p

Isn't that something that needs leaving out, they are trying to make a movie with proper morals.

How is this not proper morals ? Is a girl *obligated* to fall in love with me if I love her enough, give her expensive gifts and do my very best to court her ?
No - and it is not realistic either. Yet a lot of disney/other feel good movies do suggest that this is always the case. Or that my rival will always be an evil bastard that doesn't deserve her- while in real life he can just be another nice guy.

its D-Day (http://img235.exs.cx/img235/5440/disney2zm.jpg)

Pixar is Disney's slave. They produce beautiful work and DIsney hogs the credit.

Didn't they try to sperate from disney?
And say work for.... Paramont? Maybe they can have the honour of churning out Star Trek: The Animated Series. What about someone less evil... say Satan Enterprises?

The sickly morals. Drumming it into kids' heads to see the world in black and white, good and evil, horrendously simplistic manicheism. Disney must take a lot of the blame for all those people who are incapable of thinking beyond the reassuring simplistic bounds of manicheism, and of seeing the world in its true complexity.

I loathe how they rewrite older children's stories to make them sugary sweet and all fitting into the same pattern. Nice good guy defeat horrid bad guy. Nice good guy happy in the end. And people soak it in...

I did like that analysis someone made of the Marxist undertones, though. I'm sure old Walt would be horrified. :D