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I've been looking over some things about "reparative therapy" to "convert" homosexuals to heterosexuals. Here (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_spit.htm) It shows a 99.98% rate of failure in these types of therapies, meaning that only one out of every FIVE THOUSAND gays or lesbians enrolled into these programs has been converted. Among those who have converted, 86% of the men and 63% of the subjects emerged from therapy still having feelings of attraction to persons of the same-sex. That is, after therapy they are bisexuals, not heterosexuals.
These people are still counted as "ex-gays" because they have sworn off sex with the same sex.
So what does this mean: It is simple. While thousands of people have enrolled in these therapy programs, all of them obviously WISHING to not be gay any longer, only one in every five thousand have managed it. So obviously, it is incredably difficult, in fact nigh impossible to change your sexual orientation.

Also, I would appreciate it if the homosexuals on this forum would post their own testimony to not having chosen who they are attracted to.

Yeah. I'm not gay but I knew it wasn't a choice.

And here's a conversation I had with my dad a while ago.

Dad: okay, lets assume its not a choice, what do you do. Do you treat homosexuals like they have a disease??
Me: Do you treat left-handed people like they're diseased?
Dad: good point

my dad is left-handed.

Just like you don't choose to be attracted to anybody, to fall in and out of love (and if you think that you do choose who you fall in love with, why the hell do people have unrequited love and broken hearts? Wouldn't they just choose not to love them anymore) you don't choose whether these people happen to be of the opposite sex or not.

whenever i read about these people who are so eager to convert gay men into straight men i think....


would you want your daughter to marry one of these men?

isnt it really for the best to just let people be who they are and not expect them to pretend to be what you want them to be?

whenever i read about these people who are so eager to convert gay men into straight men i think....


would you want your daughter to marry one of these men?

isnt it really for the best to just let people be who they are and not expect them to pretend to be what you want them to be?

But... the gay men who go to the therapies WANT to be straight. --Right?

If you think it's a choice, picture yourself making that choice. I know I couldn't. A hairy man-ass just doesn't look good to me.

If you think it's a choice, picture yourself making that choice. I know I couldn't. A hairy man-ass just doesn't look good to me.
:D
Hey, I'm a straight woman, and it ain't all that pretty a picture for me either...

:D
Hey, I'm a straight woman, and it ain't all that pretty a picture for me either...
you know you like it.

you know you like it.
Well...a little...

Wow... I expected an old-school manbeating there.

Its not a choice for certain :D

I dont see why anyone would think is it. ACTUALLY

I wont to hear right now :P or as soon as possible, from someone who thinks it is, and explain to me why they think it is, cos come to think of it, ive never understood why any one would think that and id like to clean up this blip in my understanding :P.

As for the gay thing, err, yes. Gay people, generally, say things like "ive always been gay in retrospect, i just didnt realise it" and thats just that you dont connect that your not like everyone else, not that youve come upon this revelation that you like men :D

for the most part.

Yeah. I'm not gay but I knew it wasn't a choice.

And here's a conversation I had with my dad a while ago.

Dad: okay, lets assume its not a choice, what do you do. Do you treat homosexuals like they have a disease??
Me: Do you treat left-handed people like they're diseased?
Dad: good point

my dad is left-handed.
*hugs*
{if BLARGistania = female then, me = :fluffle:}
lol im left handed too im going to use that one on who ever i can :P

I've been looking over some things about "reparative therapy" to "convert" homosexuals to heterosexuals. Here (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_spit.htm) It shows a 99.98% rate of failure in these types of therapies, meaning that only one out of every FIVE THOUSAND gays or lesbians enrolled into these programs has been converted. Among those who have converted,
These people are still counted as "ex-gays" because they have sworn off sex with the same sex.
So what does this mean: It is simple. While thousands of people have enrolled in these therapy programs, all of them obviously WISHING to not be gay any longer, only one in every five thousand have managed it. So obviously, it is incredably difficult, in fact nigh impossible to change your sexual orientation.

Also, I would appreciate it if the homosexuals on this forum would post their own testimony to not having chosen who they are attracted to.

Try explaining this to likes of VoteEarly, Servus Dei and Commando2.

Any reasonable person can understand that you cannot choose who you fall in love with. But...Some will never understand.

Try explaining this to likes of VoteEarly, Servus Dei and Commando2.

Any reasonable person can understand that you cannot choose who you fall in love with. But...Some will never understand.
*agrees*

Any reasonable person can understand that you cannot choose who you fall in love with. But...Some will never understand.

you just can't choose which sex gives you're attracted to. why do some many people think that homosexuality is purely about love? is being straight about love? no, it just means you're attracted to the opposite sex. whether you fall in love or not is up to you.

It is my honest belief that people (usually men) who are scared of gay people are scared of their own sexuality.

I'm a guy, I'm married and I'm about as straight as they come and I have no issues hanging around gay guys or women - I've even been the "token straight boy" at a party where everyone else was gay. Why? Because I know it has no impact on my own sexuality.

I know I'm not going to "catch gay germs" or something and become gay. I have no issues if my son hangs around gay people as I know he'll discover his own sexuality regardless of who he hangs out with or what we teach him (be it that he ends up straight, bi or gay).

Anyway, reading vehemently anti-gay posts always amuses me simply because the more rhetoric they spew forth, the more I sit there thinking "Gee, you're really insecure aren't you? It must keep you awake at night wondering why you got an erection when you saw that really cute guy today".

I encourage you to think the same way :) Just remember - vehemently anti-gay = closet homosexual!

I've even been the "token straight boy" at a party where everyone else was gay.

funney thing is, that sounds like it'd be a good way to pick up chicks.

Anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice is obviously not in tune with their own sexuality, like His Grace Emperor Salamander VII ( :p ) said. I mean, they didn't decide to be attracted to men or women did they? I know I didn't...

Therfore maybe they're afraid of 'turning gay' or something?

It's clearly not a choice. Try as I might, I can't force myself to be attracted to other guys. It just doesn't work. Same with gays, they can't force themselves to be attracted to something they're not. (Well they can, but then they'd just be lying to themselves)

Just remember - vehemently anti-gay = closet homosexual!

Too true...-_-

(sigh) Nothing worse than a self-hating gay...

It is my honest belief that people (usually men) who are scared of gay people are scared of their own sexuality.

I'm a guy, I'm married and I'm about as straight as they come and I have no issues hanging around gay guys or women - I've even been the "token straight boy" at a party where everyone else was gay. Why? Because I know it has no impact on my own sexuality.

I know I'm not going to "catch gay germs" or something and become gay. I have no issues if my son hangs around gay people as I know he'll discover his own sexuality regardless of who he hangs out with or what we teach him (be it that he ends up straight, bi or gay).

Anyway, reading vehemently anti-gay posts always amuses me simply because the more rhetoric they spew forth, the more I sit there thinking "Gee, you're really insecure aren't you? It must keep you awake at night wondering why you got an erection when you saw that really cute guy today".

I encourage you to think the same way :) Just remember - vehemently anti-gay = closet homosexual!

Agreed.

the argument that it's something people choose just makes my brain hurt. My father loves my mother. He finds her lack of a penis (i'm going out on a limb here, and assuming that my mother is lacking in that respect) a huge turnoff, however. hence, their divorce. But, he struggled for a long time with his sexuality. It was hard for him to accept. It was pretty easy fro the rest of us, as he used to walk around th house singin showtunes, but htat's another topic of discussion. so yeah. choice? no. is it possible to repress? maybe, but you won't be really happy with yourself. lord knows he wasn't till it was out in the open.