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Yep... they're actually talking about forcing kids into kindergarden BEFORE the age of 8 (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5schoolkids22w.htm)

Sheesh! I mean - really! Crayons are really complicated you know..... some kids need that extra year or two to get ready for such a big step.



Of course, some residents are complaining about this new insistance that it's citizens get a bare minimum of education because it is simply.... too expensive.



But hey - I don't want to be accused of just picking on Americans again. So, let me remind the group that steriotypes about scholastic prowess are sometimes just that. Case in point, Japanese geography lessons seem to be sorely lacking also.... (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20050223/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_japan_korea_north)

How the hell can a Japanese person over the age of 13 NOT be able to point to the place on the globe where the madman tests his new missiles by firing them over their homeland?

And here I was under the impression that people would want their kids in babysitti....I mean school...as early as possible!

Canada Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow! Your first post is completely meaningless! Yay for you!

you mean some kids aged 8 there have never been to school?

wow

in holland you have to go to school when you're 4.

Yes, more 'mommy', and 'one on one' time is exactly what kids need to prepare them for the social experience of school. :rolleyes: That and being bigger than every other kid in the class means you are bound to stick out. Oh well, I guess they hope that by 8, the kid could beat up anyone who laughs at him.

I wonder...it didn't say, but was that family AT LEAST homeschooling their kid? Or were they seriously just waiting for him to be 'ready' for education?

8 does seem a little late. Even here, where there are not enough schools for everyone, the latest to enter is 7. Most kids start pre school at 4 or 5.

Hey, some Japanese kids think I live in the USA. Cool. :cool:

i am shocked that they are sent to school so late in life *shock*

well it probably doesnt matter in Alabama because their schools are some of the worst funded public schools in America, so they probably dont get any better education than they get at home anyhoo

Case in point, Japanese geography lessons seem to be sorely lacking also.... (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20050223/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_japan_korea_north)

How the hell can a Japanese person over the age of 13 NOT be able to point to the place on the globe where the madman tests his new missiles by firing them over their homeland?
American college students can't find KANSAS, your point?

American college students can't find KANSAS, your point?

His point was that Americans don't have a monopoly on stupidity.

American college students can't find KANSAS, your point?
He's just trying to avoid being called anti-American...or called a US-basher.

Alabama forces kids to go to school? I wasn't even aware they allowed them to go to school.

His point was that Americans don't have a monopoly on stupidity.
No knowing where another country is one thing, not knowing where part of your own country is just sad. Btw, 76% knowing where N. Korea is is fine compared to US (it spells 'us' yay! now let's find a country who abbreviates as THEM and declare war on it ^_^) My highschool geography class, most of the class was clueless past Canada and Mexico.

*snicker*

Wait... Alabama and Kansas... are states?

Wait... Alabama and Kansas... are states?
You're from Mississippi I take it (can't spell it for shit)

You're from Mississippi I take it (can't spell it for shit)

you spelled it perfectly

No knowing where another country is one thing, not knowing where part of your own country is just sad. Btw, 76% knowing where N. Korea is is fine compared to US (it spells 'us' yay! now let's find a country who abbreviates as THEM and declare war on it ^_^) My highschool geography class, most of the class was clueless past Canada and Mexico.

I can clearly see that no amount of logic and reason will change your opinion of America. You go ahead and think all Americans are stupid.

I can clearly see that no amount of logic and reason will change your opinion of America. You go ahead and think all Americans are stupid.
Well, according to a poll in november, about 51% is.

Well, according to a poll in november, about 51% is.

According to this post, you appear to have something in common with that 51%.

The ironic thing? I voted Nader.

According to this post, you appear to have something in common with that 51%.

The ironic thing? I voted Nader.
Kerry, but mainly for his Vice President.

Well, according to a poll in november, about 51% is.

Why? Because they disagree with you on something? I imagine, with your attitude, you must consider everyone else in the world stupid.

Why? Because they disagree with you on something? I imagine, with your attitude, you must consider everyone else in the world stupid.
Um...am I the only one here who thinks you guys need to calm down?

Um...am I the only one here who thinks you guys need to calm down?
:raises his hand:

Um...am I the only one here who thinks you guys need to calm down?
nope, you are not

2 years, almost 10 thousand posts, kinda points to a person who LOOKS for things to take offense too.

2 years, almost 10 thousand posts, kinda points to a person who LOOKS for things to take offense too.
See...now you're baiting...let's move on...

So anyway...no school until 8. Bad. Mm-hmm.

In most US States, children go to school at ages 4-5. Perhaps Alabama is just gay. They're known for stupid people, racism, and a lack of manners.

In most US States, children go to school at ages 4-5. Perhaps Alabama is just gay. They're known for stupid people, racism, and a lack of manners.
Yes, calling a state GAY is really mature (are you somehow implying that gay people keep their kids out of school? Otherwise, you might choose another adjective).

Blatant stereotyping...some of that mud has just splashed back on you.

In most US States, children go to school at ages 4-5. Perhaps Alabama is just gay. They're known for stupid people, racism, and a lack of manners.
No, if they were gay they'd dress better.

u should listen to my fellow galaxian warrior - you will go far

u should listen to my fellow galaxian warrior - you will go far
I just got promoted today! I'm so excited! When do we get a new name change?

No, if they were gay they'd dress better.
I know a frumpy gay person! Do you think he should be kicked out of the 'gay club'?

Yes, calling a state GAY is really mature (are you somehow implying that gay people keep their kids out of school? Otherwise, you might choose another adjective).

Blatant stereotyping...some of that mud has just splashed back on you.

Wow, you ARE Canadian. Gay, as in slang for stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc. Dumbass.

I know a frumpy gay person! Do you think he should be kicked out of the 'gay club'?
My vote doesn't count. I'm in the straight club.

Wow, you ARE Canadian. Gay, as in slang for stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc. Dumbass.
Dumbass? Gay isn't used that way.

Dumbass? Gay isn't used that way.

It is if you're from the United States, and are a young person.

Wow, you ARE Canadian. Gay, as in slang for stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc. Dumbass.

since when did Gay = stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc.?

Using the word "gay" as a derogatory term sure does make you look smart!

Wow, you ARE Canadian. Gay, as in slang for stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc. Dumbass.
And you are....oh wait, I don't bother to hurl insults, because I prefer to actually discuss things rationally. I almost forgot.

So gay means: stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc.

Canadian means: you are a dumbass.


You have just lost any validity in this discussion. That and your homophobia is showing...tuck it in a bit, junior.

I just got promoted today! I'm so excited! When do we get a new name change?


I dunno but I think this is my favorite title so far!

since when did Gay = stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc.?

Using the word "gay" as a derogatory term sure does make you look smart!

Hey, I didn't make up the word usage. It's just here. I can use whatever word I want. Just because this particular idiomatic word isn't used where you are doesn't make it bad, or stupid. Elitist jackass.

It is if you're from the United States, and are a young person.
Don't paint all young people with the brush of ignorance you apparently use to part your hair. Being young does not automatically mean being insensitive, rude, ignorant or pointless. Acting like it, at whatever age, does.

It is if you're from the United States, and are a young person.
Grow up.

It is if you're from the United States, and are a young person.



I'm American. Ohhhhhhhhhh you mean pre-pubescent?

Don't paint all young people with the brush of ignorance you apparently use to part your hair. Being young does not automatically mean being insensitive, rude, ignorant or pointless. Acting like it, at whatever age, does.

It's a common word, idiot. It's used, and is part of youth culture. Gay teens themselves use it. It has nothing to do with the sexual context in this case. Get over yourself, and accept the facts.

Hey, I didn't make up the word usage. It's just here. I can use whatever word I want. Just because this particular idiomatic word isn't used where you are doesn't make it bad, or stupid. Elitist jackass.
BAAHAAAAA!!!!!

No, the meaning you attach to the word makes it bad, and stupid.

And back atcha...minus the elitist. :D

I'm American. Ohhhhhhhhhh you mean pre-pubescent?

No I mean young adults. Stop taking offense. I mean, I'm a Democrat, but damn, you people are the types of Liberals everyone wants to kill.

BAAHAAAAA!!!!!

No, the meaning you attach to the word makes it bad, and stupid.

And back atcha...minus the elitist. :D

You're right, and the meaning in that context, was "stupid". Retarded ass Canadian slut.

No I mean young adults. Stop taking offense. I mean, I'm a Democrat, but damn, you people are the types of Liberals everyone wants to kill.
Flame...and reported as such.

You're right, and the meaning in that context, was "stupid". Retarded ass Canadian slut.
i imagine thats flame as well...

You're right, and the meaning in that context, was "stupid". Retarded ass Canadian slut.

well it was not so nice knowin ya. Have a good deat. :)

And you are....oh wait, I don't bother to hurl insults, because I prefer to actually discuss things rationally. I almost forgot.

So gay means: stupid, idiotic, retarded, etc.

Canadian means: you are a dumbass.


You have just lost any validity in this discussion. That and your homophobia is showing...tuck it in a bit, junior.

I'm not homophobic in the least bit. I have gay friends. As I said, it's just a common word usage. Gay people themselves will say "Wow, that's gay". It's not a problem here. If you're the type of people that happens to find something wrong with what people say so easily, well, you just need to get lives. Honestly, you're no better than the Conservatives you insult.

Americans should get their act together. It's crap like this which fuels your global image as a nation of ignorant fools.

A friendly reminder: everyone chill out.

I'm dismayed that Alabama allows children to stay out of school until age 7. Children need to socialize with other children, as well as learn the elementary things -- simple arithmetic, simple reading, colors, weather....

In NYC, unless your child goes to pre-school at 4, s/he is pretty well unprepared and way behind in kindergarten.

Given the fiasco that social promotion has become (promoting kids to be with their same-age group so their self esteem is not harmed) and knowing how cruel kids can be about knowing someone is older than they and possibly 'left back', the situation some parents are putting their kids in is really shameful. I'd be inclined to say in this situation that the kindest thing to do with a child whose entry into school has been delayed for two years would be to homeschool them.

Flame...and reported as such.

Well, if you want me to "flame" I will. However, stating a fact, and not that I wanted to do it personally, is not flaming.

having not gone to pre-school I felt out of place in kindergarten in Calif too.

I started nursery at 3, and school at 4, due to some strange thing to do with my birthday... meant being a year younger than everyone else, mind. Of course, I used that to my advantage, and lied, quite blatantly, that I had been moved up a year for being a genius. Amongst the people I talked to at the time, that wasn't a bad thing, mainly because they in turn were younger than me. So I was the toughest and the smartest, but in actuality neither. I'm just a good actor, and from the youngest age, too. But now that small part of nostalgia is done...


8? I'm agreeing with everyone who says that this is/was a bad thing. Social skills need to be developed from a young age, even if it is just to teach them how to survive in a social environment, especially given the emphasis it currently recieves in the modern world. People who can't function as part of a group really aren't given a fair chance to get on in the world, so we should at least be making sure that everyone can.

American college students can't find KANSAS, your point?
but theres no reason to care about kansas

The title of this thread is a great joke. Alabama doesn't educate people. The school system is rated better than only one other state in the Union. Thank God for Mississippi. I had friends who were passed through high school, despite being unable to read, simply so the school could be rid of them.

That said... yeah. Kindergarten in (some parts, at least) Alabama starts at age 5. I wasn't aware this was a news story, though, since they've been doing it at least since I went to kindergarten 16 years ago.

Americans should get their act together. It's crap like this which fuels your global image as a nation of ignorant fools.
Dude, that's such a gay comment.

There are some idiotic states that could care less about education. However, Ireland is not a country that should be talking, as they have far off counties with country folks who couldn't care less about school as well. Not to mention, you don't see Americans walking around blowing up places for entertainment.

What does it mean In Alabama when the baby is drooling from both sides of the mouth?------Trailor's level. Bu-dump dump!
Well as for school before 8 years old, they really should have their sex ed before they have sex. As it is now their Uncles teach them.

There are some idiotic states that could care less about education. However, Ireland is not a country that should be talking, as they have far off counties with country folks who couldn't care less about school as well. Not to mention, you don't see Americans walking around blowing up places for entertainment.
Timothy McVeigh ring a bell...the Unibomber...I'll just stop there for the heck of it.

There are some idiotic states that could care less about education. However, Ireland is not a country that should be talking, as they have far off counties with country folks who couldn't care less about school as well. Not to mention, you don't see Americans walking around blowing up places for entertainment.
completely ignoring the fact that Northern Ireland (where they blow the places up, yea?) has one of the best education systems in Europe

I honestly don't have a big problem with it as long as those kids are being homeschooled. If they aren't going in because of developmental delays, I hope that the parents are accessing community resources for those kids to help them catch up. I can't see how putting them in at 5 is going to hurt them though...I would need some examples of this to work from.

Timothy McVeigh ring a bell...the Unibomber...I'll just stop there for the heck of it.

Notice how that setence was in present tense, my little Canadian skank? Learn to read. When was Tim McVeigh? Ten years ago. When was the last IRA bombing? Within the last year, at least. Moreover, how many Irishmen are involved in the IRA? Thousands.

Notice how that setence was in present tense, my little Canadian skank? Learn to read. When was Tim McVeigh? Ten years ago. When was the last IRA bombing? Within the last year, at least. Moreover, how many Irishmen are involved in the IRA? Thousands.
theres two facts wrong straight out of the box

theres two facts wrong straight out of the box

Name them.

Anyway, straying from the topic here.

Is playschool anywhere mandatory? How young can you be to enter playschool? I wonder if that will be the next step...it took quite a while for kindergarden to become mandatory.

Name them.
last IRA bomb and number of people involved in the IRA

the actual IRA has very few members, and hasnt bombed anyone in a couple of decades i believe

the various offshoots - which are not the proper IRA - are different though

last IRA bomb and number of people involved in the IRA

the actual IRA has very few members, and hasnt bombed anyone in a couple of decades i believe

the various offshoots - which are not the proper IRA - are different though

Oh, excuse my error then. However, my point was still proven.

Notice how that setence was in present tense, my little Canadian skank? Learn to read. When was Tim McVeigh? Ten years ago. When was the last IRA bombing? Within the last year, at least. Moreover, how many Irishmen are involved in the IRA? Thousands.

What does time matter? It happened (and lets not forget abortion clinic bombings as well) so your point was proven wrong. Try to show a little maturity in your posts and you may be taken more seriously.

Oh, excuse my error then. However, my point was still proven.
well what actually was your point?

that someone from northern ireland cant talk about education?

we have one of the best education systems in europe my friend

In any case "blowing things up" has nothing to do with the education system...nor is it a valid standard to judge it with.

Hey Nadkor...is it true that if you can prove Irish decent, you can attend post-secondary studies in Ireland for half the price (I'm not sure if that's half an international student's tuition or not)? Is post-secondary education free in Ireland?

In any case "blowing things up" has nothing to do with the education system...nor is it a valid standard to judge it with.
Yeah, the Unabomber was a smart fella. Crazy as a shithouse rat though.

You guys should chill out. None of this is on topic, and flame wars are decidedly against the rules. If you can't refrain from flaming someone, you should take a break and come back when you blood isn't as hot.

In any case "blowing things up" has nothing to do with the education system...nor is it a valid standard to judge it with.

Oh, I think it does. The education system, as well as the home, has a lot to do with what kind of people children grow up to be. People with horrible schools, and horrible communities tend to spawn unproductive and criminal people. It's a vicious cycle. Many Irish, as well as Northern Irish youth, are drawn into various criminal gangs based on their Protestant and Catholic status. That says a lot for their respective education systems.

Roma ISlamica are you offended because you are from Alabama or something? You are getting very personal with your attacks. Can you not show a bit of decency when you debate with people?

Hey Nadkor...is it true that if you can prove Irish decent, you can attend post-secondary studies in Ireland for half the price (I'm not sure if that's half an international student's tuition or not)? Is post-secondary education free in Ireland?
i have absolutely no idea, sorry

never tried to go to uni in the south

Oh, I think it does. The education system, as well as the home, has a lot to do with what kind of people children grow up to be. People with horrible schools, and horrible communities tend to spawn unproductive and criminal people. It's a vicious cycle. Many Irish, as well as Northern Irish youth, are drawn into various criminal gangs based on their Protestant and Catholic status. That says a lot for their respective education systems.
I'm sorry, I don't see what this has to do with the original post, or the topic at all.

What does time matter? It happened (and lets not forget abortion clinic bombings as well) so your point was proven wrong. Try to show a little maturity in your posts and you may be taken more seriously.

Notice how they are adults, products of education and culture from some 30 odd years ago. So, it appears you're wrong.

Yeah, the Unabomber was a smart fella. Crazy as a shithouse rat though.
Is that necessarily a bad thing, though?
:D

Hey Nadkor...is it true that if you can prove Irish decent, you can attend post-secondary studies in Ireland for half the price (I'm not sure if that's half an international student's tuition or not)? Is post-secondary education free in Ireland?

thats it I'm moving to Ireland

Oh, I think it does. The education system, as well as the home, has a lot to do with what kind of people children grow up to be. People with horrible schools, and horrible communities tend to spawn unproductive and criminal people. It's a vicious cycle. Many Irish, as well as Northern Irish youth, are drawn into various criminal gangs based on their Protestant and Catholic status. That says a lot for their respective education systems.
no...they get drawn in to fight for a political ideal

and as i have already said, the standard of education in NI is higher than most places in the EU, and is generally accepted as the highest in the UK. which has a good education system anyway

if we have a better education system than other parts of the UK, why arent they fighting?

it has nothing to do with education, it has everything to do with politics and religion

I'm sorry, I don't see what this has to do with the original post, or the topic at all.

It was an argument. Most of what you said didn't have anything to do with it either, retard. Stop being a damn hypocrite.

Is that necessarily a bad thing, though?
:D
Not necessarily, but it was in his case.

Notice how they are adults, products of education and culture from some 30 odd years ago. So, it appears you're wrong.

Wrong about what?

You said Americans do go around blowing things up when in fact they do.

Or are you referring to somethign else? Plus like Nakdor said - Northern Ireland has one of the best educational systems. Can you disprove that? IF so then maybe yoru point about blowing things up because they didnt learn how to color inside the lines woudl be a valid poitn but you certainly can't defend Alabamas school ssytem can you?

Wrong about what?

You said Americans do go around blowing things up when in fact they do.

Or are you referring to somethign else? Plus like Nakdor said - Northern Ireland has one of the best educational systems. Can you disprove that? IF so then maybe yoru point about blowing things up because they didnt learn how to color inside the lines woudl be a valid poitn but you certainly can't defend Alabamas school ssytem can you?

Of course I don't defend Alabama. They suck. And no, they DON'T. Tim McVeigh was '95. That Eric Rudolph guy was '96. Name a case since then. Present tense buddy. You can't even name something in the last couple of years.

It was an argument. Most of what you said didn't have anything to do with it either, retard. Stop being a damn hypocrite.

Oh well I can see that you have no idea what a mature conversation should be like so I shall stop trying to reason with you like an adult (or a young adult as you claim to be).

Good day. :confused:

thats it I'm moving to Ireland
Na...I'd prefer somewhere a tad hotter...though I LOVE the Irish accent!

Oh well I can see that you have no idea what a mature conversation should be like so I shall stop trying to reason with you like an adult (or a young adult as you claim to be).

Good day. :confused:
Yeah, I've pretty much given up on that too.

Anyway, what shall we do next, my fellow Galaxian Warrior?

In most US States, children go to school at ages 4-5. Perhaps Alabama is just gay. They're known for stupid people, racism, and a lack of manners.

You know its kind of ironic when you call Alabama stupid when your dumb state botched an election because it couldn't figure out the ballots... :rolleyes:

Na...I'd prefer somewhere a tad hotter...though I LOVE the Irish accent!
it can be hot here!

*ignores the fact that it snowed very recently*

it can be hot here!

*ignores the fact that it snowed very recently*
There is a great quote from Snatch that doesn't really apply to Ireland, but I love anyway...it goes something like,

"England has beaches..."

"Yeah, but who the f*ck wants to see 'em?"

:) Just kidding...I'd love to visit Ireland...once I get back from Costa Rica!

Out of curiosity when was the last IRA bombing?

Yeah, I've pretty much given up on that too.

Anyway, what shall we do next, my fellow Galaxian Warrior?

Shall we save the mystic ice ruby from the evil grip of the space pirates?

Out of curiosity when was the last IRA bombing?
last actual IRA bombing....many, many years ago. i would be surprised if it was as late as the 80s

last splinter group bombing...in Northern Ireland it was 1998 in Omagh, elsewhere 2002 (i think) - a firebomb on the BBC headquarters

well, splinter groups tried a couple of incendiarys coming up to christmas, but nothing really came of that, the devices were found and made safe

There is a great quote from Snatch that doesn't really apply to Ireland, but I love anyway...it goes something like,

"England has beaches..."

"Yeah, but who the f*ck wants to see 'em?"

:) Just kidding...I'd love to visit Ireland...once I get back from Costa Rica!
Irelands nice, gorgeous scenery...giants causeway and stuff like that, the people are the friendliest you will ever meet, and the alcohol is great, but there are some places where i wouldnt recommend a visit in the middle of July

last actual IRA bombing....many, many years ago. i would be surprised if it was as late as the 80s

last splinter group bombing...in Northern Ireland it was 1998 in Omagh, elsewhere 2002 (i think) - a firebomb on the BBC headquarters

well, splinter groups tried a couple of incendiarys coming up to christmas, but nothing really came of that, the devices were found and made safe
Do you feel particularly unsafe living in Belfast? Or is it just business as usual?

I ask because most Colombians I know gush about their country, even though it is known to be quite violent...they say they've never really encountered it themselves...and these aren't the rich folk locked away in gated communities either.

Na...I'd prefer somewhere a tad hotter...though I LOVE the Irish accent!

In truth I really wanna move on over to Holland! It's so beautiful there (architecture especially *I wish the US paid more attention to making our surroundings more beautiful - ah well*) and I am a big fan of smoking marijuana and not going to jail for it.


I'd love to try out Canada too

Well, according to a poll in november, about 51% is.

Wow, and even given this the US somehow manages to have twice the growth rate and half the unemployment as major European nations. Its easy to call someone a moron, but when they do a better job than you, how does that reflect on your own competance. Oh, I forgot, in europe actual ability and results don't count as long as someone means well.

Fix your own house before you start calling others stupid.

Irelands nice, gorgeous scenery...giants causeway and stuff like that, the people are the friendliest you will ever meet, and the alcohol is great, but there are some places where i wouldnt recommend a visit in the middle of July
How come?

I want to see the castles.

And the Blarney Stone.

And a leprachaun.

And the pot of gold.

But mostly the beer...

How come?

I want to see the castles.

And the Blarney Stone.

And a leprachaun.

And the pot of gold.

But mostly the beer...

a fine list
and shared by your fellow galaxian warrior

Do you feel particularly unsafe living in Belfast? Or is it just business as usual?

I ask because most Colombians I know gush about their country, even though it is known to be quite violent...they say they've never really encountered it themselves...and these aren't the rich folk locked away in gated communities either.
alot of its hyped up, you can walk round Belfast all you like and you wont even know that it spent 25 years being blown up

its got a pretty average crime rate, although obviously the paramilitaries are still operating theyve turned to drugs and stuff like that to make money - theyre more like your average gangster now, they arent as concerned with bombs and such

so yea, i feel perfectly safe, it would be a lie to say ive never felt threatened in any way (i remember sitting in history and hearing a bomb being defused by the army, and the teacher going "oh, another bomb", and we were evacuated a few times - our school is right in the city centre), but not really anymore, its a hell of alot better than even i can remember

How come?

I want to see the castles.

And the Blarney Stone.

And a leprachaun.

And the pot of gold.

But mostly the beer...
middle of July is the marching season, notorious for sporadic riots and general lawlessness

the castles? Dunluce Castle - stunning. and on the Antrim Coast - one of the most beautiful places you will ever see...the giants causeway is only one small part of it

Dunluce Castle (http://www.touristnetuk.com/ni/dunluce-castle/images/Castle2.jpg)

i am shocked that they are sent to school so late in life *shock*

well it probably doesnt matter in Alabama because their schools are some of the worst funded public schools in America, so they probably dont get any better education than they get at home anyhoo

Having been in the education system in many different states, I'd say Alabama's is really no worse than anyone else's. In the US that is. The education system needs an overhaul and 'no child gets ahead' err...I mean left behind, isn't helping.

middle of July is the marching season, notorious for sporadic riots and general lawlessness

the castles? Dunluce Castle - stunning. and on the Antrim Coast - one of the most beautiful places you will ever see...the giants causeway is only one small part of it

Dunluce Castle (http://www.touristnetuk.com/ni/dunluce-castle/images/Castle2.jpg)
Wow...this is turning into a tourism promo of Ireland....I likey...

Wow...this is turning into a tourism promo of Ireland....I likey...
what can i say?

i think the place is beautiful

Well, time to go home...I have to say the highlight of my day was being called a Canadian skank, as opposed to just a regular old skank:). Have a great night everyone!

Well, time to go home...I have to say the highlight of my day was being called a Canadian skank, as opposed to just a regular old skank:). Have a great night everyone!
bye bye :)

Having been in the education system in many different states, I'd say Alabama's is really no worse than anyone else's. In the US that is. The education system needs an overhaul and 'no child gets ahead' err...I mean left behind, isn't helping.

I beg to differ. I've gotten a 1410 on the SATs, which is higher than many students from European or Asian countries and whatnot.

Having been in the education system in many different states, I'd say Alabama's is really no worse than anyone else's. In the US that is. The education system needs an overhaul and 'no child gets ahead' err...I mean left behind, isn't helping.


I've been thru public education systems in Arizona, California and Wyoming and found wyomings to be the best of the three. Although it was in a rich area so it was like goign to private school. Arizonas was the worse but that is only because it was in a small mormon town population 100. *shudder* It was aweful, the land value was null and void practically. I lived in a poor neighborhood in calif and so it was a very mediocre school system.

I would say that giving schools money based on the property value of the homes surrounding it (or whatever the way they fund them is *I thought it was something similar to this*) is a horrible idea. I know that Alabama is full of the lowest funded school systems in the US so I made the correlation from first hand experience.

what can i say?

i think the place is beautiful

It's actually one of teh countries that my GF and I plan to visit on our Honeymoon next year in May.

We also thought about Chezcheslovakia and Holland.

You know its kind of ironic when you call Alabama stupid when your dumb state botched an election because it couldn't figure out the ballots... :rolleyes:

I don't think it had anything to do with not figuring out ballots. Not really anyway. I think it had to do with Bush using his brother to full advantages, if you get my drift. Besides, I have intelligence, and I have Ivy League schools after me. How many Alabamians can say that? Probably not too many.

last IRA bomb and number of people involved in the IRA

the actual IRA has very few members, and hasnt bombed anyone in a couple of decades i believe

the various offshoots - which are not the proper IRA - are different though
Yea Roma is very wrong, but I would have counted Omagh as the last IRA bombing, no? That was 1998.

Well, time to go home...I have to say the highlight of my day was being called a Canadian skank, as opposed to just a regular old skank:). Have a great night everyone!

nitey nite - I should actually do a bit of work myself. I'm off - Peace and beaver grease.

Yea Roma is very wrong, but I would have counted Omagh as the last IRA bombing, no? That was 1998.
that was done by the 'Real IRA' who are a splinter group from the Provisional IRA who i think are an offshoot from the original IRA

now, if we count the original IRA then god knows when their last bomb was

if we count the Provisionals (who were mostly responsible for the republican side of the troubles that started in the 70s)then i think it might have been the canary wharf bomb in 1996

Kerry, but mainly for his Vice President.

If you voted for Kerry, I'd assume you'd have the intelligence not to call those who voted for Bush stupid, but I guess not.

I don't think it had anything to do with not figuring out ballots. Not really anyway. I think it had to do with Bush using his brother to full advantages, if you get my drift. Besides, I have intelligence, and I have Ivy League schools after me. How many Alabamians can say that? Probably not too many.

No, I think it has more to do with the fact that many Floridians are just to stupid to use a damn ballot. There are also way too many old people there. Florida sucks.

I don't think it had anything to do with not figuring out ballots. Not really anyway. I think it had to do with Bush using his brother to full advantages, if you get my drift. Besides, I have intelligence, and I have Ivy League schools after me. How many Alabamians can say that? Probably not too many.

Bad grammer there bud. Id say many Alabamians get the same chances people in other states get.. hell especially Florida. Bama has great Ivy League schools aswell... just as good as Florida.

Dont listen to stereotypes my friend.. Alabama is really a great and industrious state, and with the high standard of living there are many people who go on to do great things whether it be in the military, or in politics.

Bad grammer there bud. Id say many Alabamians get the same chances people in other states get.. hell especially Florida. Bama has great Ivy League schools aswell... just as good as Florida.

Dont listen to stereotypes my friend.. Alabama is really a great and industrious state, and with the high standard of living there are many people who go on to do great things whether it be in the military, or in politics.
Do tell, what Ivy League school is in Alabama?

LOL. OMG. That guy is such an idiot! Ivy League Schools in Alabama! That'll be the day! Just because Ivy League Schools are after me doesn't mean I meant they were in Florida you retard. They are in the Northeast, retard. LOL.

if we count the Provisionals (who were mostly responsible for the republican side of the troubles that started in the 70s)then i think it might have been the canary wharf bomb in 1996

Manchester?

Manchester?
what year was that?

i thought it was 95, im probably wrong

what year was that?

i thought it was 95, im probably wrong
96.

Couple of months after Canary Wharf. Could be wrong though.

Although I'm not sure if Manchester really counts since it did far more good then harm. (No one died and it helped the renewal of the City centre).

i am shocked that they are sent to school so late in life *shock*

well it probably doesnt matter in Alabama because their schools are some of the worst funded public schools in America, so they probably dont get any better education than they get at home anyhoo

funding has almost nothing to do with it, lousy schools are lousy whether they have money or not.

here in California, we have some of the best-funded lousy schools in the world.

I teach high school, and routinely get kids that are not "challenged" or have any noticeable disability, but in their previous 8 years in the California school system, they somehow forgot that high schoolers need to know how to read and write. they sure as hell know how to install a condom, and what all the latest drugs are, but can barely write their own name.

it has nothing to do with funding, idiot teachers unions pushing pet curriculums mabey... public schools should be disbanded, in favor of for-profit/results driven schools. millions of lousy teachers will be homeless...

96.

Couple of months after Canary Wharf. Could be wrong though.

Although I'm not sure if Manchester really counts since it did far more good then harm. (No one died and it helped the renewal of the City centre).
still a bomb i suppose

ok, so the last provo bomb i can think of was manchester 96

LOL. OMG. That guy is such an idiot! Ivy League Schools in Alabama! That'll be the day! Just because Ivy League Schools are after me doesn't mean I meant they were in Florida you retard. They are in the Northeast, retard. LOL.

My bad, meant good SEC schools. Still no call for the flaming.. just goes to show your maturity I guess. ;)

you mean some kids aged 8 there have never been to school?

wow
I see you have never visited a southern state outside of their biggest cities

Do tell, what Ivy League school is in Alabama?
The UD - University of Delusion

You were making fun of southern Americans. There's a difference.

The difference being that I don't mind.

Ok, the friendly approach apparently did not work.

Roma Islamica, KNOCK OFF THE FLAMING.

Yep... they're actually talking about forcing kids into kindergarden BEFORE the age of 8 (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5schoolkids22w.htm)

Sheesh! I mean - really! Crayons are really complicated you know..... some kids need that extra year or two to get ready for such a big step.



Of course, some residents are complaining about this new insistance that it's citizens get a bare minimum of education because it is simply.... too expensive.



But hey - I don't want to be accused of just picking on Americans again. So, let me remind the group that steriotypes about scholastic prowess are sometimes just that. Case in point, Japanese geography lessons seem to be sorely lacking also.... (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20050223/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_japan_korea_north)

How the hell can a Japanese person over the age of 13 NOT be able to point to the place on the globe where the madman tests his new missiles by firing them over their homeland?


By 8 yrs old they should be in the fourth grade at least! I think its best to get children learning asap. First year or two should be bonding time with parents and being loved on alot. At 2 or 3 yrs old, start learning.

I see you have never visited a southern state outside of their biggest cities
ive never visited a southern state, only ever been to Pittsburgh

i dont live in America you see

i was just surprised that there was a first world country where kids could start school that late...here kids start at 4/5

I was enrolled at a private pre-school at about age 4-5, rather expensive actually. Most of the people there were reprobate scum who I hated and didn't get along with. I only know a few of them still today, one of them turned out okay, but the tables have turned (he picked on me then, but I could so kick his butt today)

96.

Couple of months after Canary Wharf. Could be wrong though.

Although I'm not sure if Manchester really counts since it did far more good then harm. (No one died and it helped the renewal of the City centre).

the manchester bomb was a good thing, as soon as everyone realised no-one was dead.

i was going to point out that the average iq in alabama is quite retarded until i realised that

a) it was mississippi that got an average of 85
b) lots of internet sources claiming that this (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm) information is unsubstantiated nonsense

I was enrolled at a private pre-school at about age 4-5, rather expensive actually. Most of the people there were reprobate scum who I hated and didn't get along with. I only know a few of them still today, one of them turned out okay, but the tables have turned (he picked on me then, but I could so kick his butt today)

and after all, butt-kicking ability and pickonery are the two most important things that an education system can instil.

Forgive me if I make untoward assumptions, but by "reprobate scum" don't you usually mean non-whites, liberals and folks who prefer negotiation to warfare?

and after all, butt-kicking ability and pickonery are the two most important things that an education system can instil.

Forgive me if I make untoward assumptions, but by "reprobate scum" don't you usually mean non-whites, liberals and folks who prefer negotiation to warfare?
Yeah, I'm sure they were all trying to share crayons with him and tell on him for not playing nicely

Yeah, I'm sure they were all trying to share crayons with him and tell on him for not playing nicely


How about 2-3 holding me down on the ground and 1 of them kicking me in the stomach and face until somebody else helped me fight them off.

Until you've been in my shoes and had my experiences, don't you ever claim to know what I've been through, and don't you ever patronize or trivialize me.

and after all, butt-kicking ability and pickonery are the two most important things that an education system can instil.

Forgive me if I make untoward assumptions, but by "reprobate scum" don't you usually mean non-whites, liberals and folks who prefer negotiation to warfare?

There were no non-whites at the pre-school, none that I recall anyway.

How about 2-3 holding me down on the ground and 1 of them kicking me in the stomach and face until somebody else helped me fight them off.

Until you've been in my shoes and had my experiences, don't you ever claim to know what I've been through, and don't you ever patronize or trivialize me.
Thwn don't be such an inteolerant, racist jackass, it's so easy to patronize those, and don't pretend the same shit didn't happen to me.

Thwn don't be such an inteolerant, racist jackass, it's so easy to patronize those, and don't pretend the same shit didn't happen to me.


I don't really care what happened to other folks, the difference is most of them are stuck on it, and think society and the government or even God, owe them some magical way into happiness.

I expect nothing from everybody, and I'll settle for nothing from nobody.

Nobody owes me anything, and I don't want anybody to think they owe me anything.

It works rather well this way, the less people you deal with, the less chance you take of ever being let down.

How about 2-3 holding me down on the ground and 1 of them kicking me in the stomach and face until somebody else helped me fight them off.

Until you've been in my shoes and had my experiences, don't you ever claim to know what I've been through, and don't you ever patronize or trivialize me.

I can patronise you and trivialise you all i want. And I now suspect your bizarre beliefs regarding predestination, racial superiority, weapons ownership etc are twisted attempts to prove to yourself that you aren't trivial.

Lots of kids got bullied in school. I did. But I got over it.

...most of them are stuck on it, and think ... God, owe them some magical way into happiness.

I expect nothing from everybody, and I'll settle for nothing from nobody.

Nobody owes me anything, and I don't want anybody to think they owe me anything.

You absolutely raving hypocrite.

Do you not think your "predestination" nonsense is expecting happiness from god?

And far from thinking that nobody owes you anything, you certainly believe that I owe you respect, otherwise you wouldn't be so arsy about people patronising you. And the last time we discussed it, you told me that the people of South Africa owe you some land.

I can patronise you and trivialise you all i want. And I now suspect your bizarre beliefs regarding predestination, racial superiority, weapons ownership etc are twisted attempts to prove to yourself that you aren't trivial.

Lots of kids got bullied in school. I did. But I got over it.



I didn't get over, I just learned to the fight to the point I was able to take two kids at once. By the time I was 10-12, most folks just left me the heck alone.

Indeed I once had a problem with 3 kids, I could have handled 2 of them, but not 3. But my best friend, he came charging in and clobbered the crap out of one of them... I remember that day, punched a kid in the mouth so hard, I cut my hand open when it flew across his teeth. I also loosened a large number of his teeth and I do believe I gave him a large bruise on the face and possibly if I recall, a bloody nose.

At any rate, nothing beat a good ole fight, especially when I'd jump kick somebody in the chest, overpower them and get them on the ground, pin their arms down with my knees, and then just leisurely pummel them senseless with a few dozen blows to the head (usually by the time you got 10-20 hits in, 3-4 teachers or other adults would pull you off them, but it was all good fun)

I didn't get over, I just learned to the fight to the point I was able to take two kids at once. By the time I was 10-12, most folks just left me the heck alone.

Indeed I once had a problem with 3 kids, I could have handled 2 of them, but not 3. But my best friend, he came charging in and clobbered the crap out of one of them... I remember that day, punched a kid in the mouth so hard, I cut my hand open when it flew across his teeth. I also loosened a large number of his teeth and I do believe I gave him a large bruise on the face and possibly if I recall, a bloody nose.

At any rate, nothing beat a good ole fight, especially when I'd jump kick somebody in the chest, overpower them and get them on the ground, pin their arms down with my knees, and then just leisurely pummel them senseless with a few dozen blows to the head (usually by the time you got 10-20 hits in, 3-4 teachers or other adults would pull you off them, but it was all good fun)


thus proving my point that all you are about is looking hard in case the bullies come back. odd that you choose to pick on black folks though, when all your tormentors have been the whites that you consider superior.

Perhaps you are one of those victims who has to consider their attackers superior so you can tell yourself that superior people beat you. of course you want to identify yourself with your superior white attackers, so you victimise blacks to show that you are one of the bullies, not one of the victims.

thus proving my point that all you are about is looking hard in case the bullies come back. odd that you choose to pick on black folks though, when all your tormentors have been the whites that you consider superior.

Perhaps you are one of those victims who has to consider their attackers superior so you can tell yourself that superior people beat you. of course you want to identify yourself with your superior white attackers, so you victimise blacks to show that you are one of the bullies, not one of the victims.


I never once fought a black kid, ever.

I never even called a black kid a name until they started calling me "Whitey" and thus made me aware of the fact that I was indeed, different from them.

I didn't wake up one day and say, "Hey, let's try not liking coloreds today." I studied the issues, made observations about my environment, how I saw people acting. And anyway, I never liked 95+% of whites, so really, I hate most people, it's only natural then that people I have no common ground with, I can't stand them much either.

I never once fought a black kid, ever.

I never even called a black kid a name until they started calling me "Whitey" and thus made me aware of the fact that I was indeed, different from them.

And it is therefore their fault that you are now a racist? Way to be influenced by your environment and owe the defining aspects of your personality to people you don't know or care about.

And it is therefore their fault that you are now a racist? Way to be influenced by your environment and owe the defining aspects of your personality to people you don't know or care about.


It really is the most scientifically sound system if you base it on the fact that Gobineau really had something going. Read his works and don't make opinions before you take in all the facts.

I had 15 years of public education indoctrination and societal brainwashing before I was finally open to the truth and accepted the truth.

And it is therefore their fault that you are now a racist? Way to be influenced by your environment and owe the defining aspects of your personality to people you don't know or care about.
This calls for a Maddox link
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sideways
In short, VoteEarly shouldn't watch that movie

It really is the most scientifically sound system if you base it on the fact that Gobineau really had something going. Read his works and don't make opinions before you take in all the facts.

I had 15 years of public education indoctrination and societal brainwashing before I was finally open to the truth and accepted the truth.
And you know that this is in fact the truth and not another - more insidious - level of brainwashing how, exactly?

It really is the most scientifically sound system if you base it on the fact that Gobineau really had something going. Read his works and don't make opinions before you take in all the facts.

I had 15 years of public education indoctrination and societal brainwashing before I was finally open to the truth and accepted the truth.

Your predispostition to believe garbage about racial superiority is bound up with your feelings of personal inferiority stemming from your experiences in childhood. You're a textbook case.

Your predispostition to believe garbage about racial superiority is bound up with your feelings of personal inferiority stemming from your experiences in childhood. You're a textbook case.


I can go outside right now and a drive through the ghetto can assure me I'm superior. I'm not a 'textbook" anything. Indeed the left dominates psychiatry and makes a word or group of words, for anything they don't like.

"No sane man could be a racist, you must have issues." - Any given leftist

And the last time we discussed it, you told me that the people of South Africa owe you some land.

My dad's family finally got reparations for having their land stolen by the apartheid government. :) Each surviving sibling only got 2000, I can't remember if it was Rand or Dollars, but it's more the symbolism. They never really got over that.

I can outside right now and a drive through the ghetto can assure me I'm superior. I'm not a 'textbook" anything. Indeed the left dominates psychiatry and makes a word or group of words, for anything they don't like.

"No sane man could be a racist, you must have issues." - Any given leftist

We've identified your issues. No sane man can be a racist because it is a fundamentally illogical position contraverted by all known facts.

Anyway, we were talking about your childhood. When did you start feeling inferior?

I can outside right now and a drive through the ghetto can assure me I'm superior. I'm not a 'textbook" anything. Indeed the left dominates psychiatry and makes a word or group of words, for anything they don't like.

"No sane man could be a racist, you must have issues." - Any given leftist
because no racist has sane claims. You say you are a racist because black kids called you whitey? If a black guy came up and called me a cracker I'd laugh my damn ass off at him, not become a racist.

You feel superior because you drive through the ghetto? Good job, you feel superior to people below the poverty level. I take it you feel REALLY good about yourself when you go to the zoo. I'll give you some addresses around here where you can drive through and feel inferior, and most of the houses in that neighborhood are owned by black people and cost more than you could probably afford in your entire life if you saved up every penny.

We've identified your issues. No sane man can be a racist because it is a fundamentally illogical position contraverted by all known facts.

Anyway, we were talking about your childhood. When did you start feeling inferior?


Never, I always felt better than those around me, since my personal morality and self-control was so great.

If I felt inferior and had no self-esteem, by the textbook, would I not have engaged in all the promiscuous activities I could have so easily engaged in?

I_Hate_Cows]You feel superior because you drive through the ghetto? Good job, you feel superior to people below the poverty level. I take it you feel REALLY good about yourself when you go to the zoo. I'll give you some addresses around here where you can drive through and feel inferior, and most of the houses in that neighborhood are owned by black people and cost more than you could probably afford in your entire life if you saved up every penny.

He should come to a med school lecture. :D Lots of ethnic diversity there. And everyone is smart! :eek:

(with the possible exception of me *shifty*)

because no racist has sane claims. You say you are a racist because black kids called you whitey? If a black guy came up and called me a cracker I'd laugh my damn ass off at him, not become a racist.



Oh my, no. It's not so easy as that, you don't get it. I've watched for a decade as America slides into decline. I was always taught, "Keep an open mind" and so I did, and I was open to ALL ideas as to why there is such disparity and strife. The left just hates the particular idea I was open to, and eventually accepted.

It took about 1-2 years for me to fully accept and come to terms with the fact that the ideas I was considering accepting, were correct and thus worth accepting.

because no racist has sane claims. You say you are a racist because black kids called you whitey? If a black guy came up and called me a cracker I'd laugh my damn ass off at him, not become a racist.

You feel superior because you drive through the ghetto? Good job, you feel superior to people below the poverty level. I take it you feel REALLY good about yourself when you go to the zoo. I'll give you some addresses around here where you can drive through and feel inferior, and most of the houses in that neighborhood are owned by black people and cost more than you could probably afford in your entire life if you saved up every penny.


Once I get out of college, I'll be making about 100-150 thousand a year and this will only increase once I get the MBA I am seeking.

The company my father works for pays managers well, very well, particularly at the branch he works for.

Well, it's good to see that my thread didn't get hijacked into a whining diatribe of bravado and delusions of superiority in my absense...

:rolleyes:

Oh my, no. It's not so easy as that, you don't get it. I've watched for a decade as America slides into decline. I was always taught, "Keep an open mind" and so I did, and I was open to ALL ideas as to why there is such disparity and strife. The left just hates the particular idea I was open to, and eventually accepted.

It took about 1-2 years for me to fully accept and come to terms with the fact that the ideas I was considering accepting, were correct and thus worth accepting.
OK, provide SANE and indisputable claims to back up your racism and I will concede

OK, provide SANE and indisputable claims to back up your racism and I will concede


I have to be off to class shortly, but I will later tonight, TG or IM me if you want to get into a real live, back and forth, debate.

I'd say anything from Arthur De Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Lothrop B. Stoddard, it's very good work. I'll cite specifics later today.

Never, I always felt better than those around me, since my personal morality and self-control was so great.

If I felt inferior and had no self-esteem, by the textbook, would I not have engaged in all the promiscuous activities I could have so easily engaged in?

It's a big textbook. Some people go for promiscuity. But your feelings of inferiority and your lack self esteem have by the textbook led you to engage in fascism, uniform wearing, the gathering of guns and ammo, racism, a delusion that God has predestined you for greater things, paranoia, an obsession with your own narrow view of moral rectitude, etc.

Well, it's good to see that my thread didn't get hijacked into a whining diatribe of bravado and delusions of superiority in my absense...

:rolleyes:

well, voteEarly is as voteEarly does. or something.

It's a big textbook. Some people go for promiscuity. But your feelings of inferiority and your lack self esteem have by the textbook led you to engage in fascism, uniform wearing, the gathering of guns and ammo, racism, a delusion that God has predestined you for greater things, paranoia, an obsession with your own narrow view of moral rectitude, etc.


I actually have a very high self-esteem, I feel great about myself and I'm rather happy with where my life is going.

I actually have a very high self-esteem, I feel great about myself and I'm rather happy with where my life is going.

You have ostensibly a very high self esteem, based on your delusional feelings of superiority to non-whites and those whites who you feel don't conform to your anal moral code, and based also on your delusional theory that god has predestined you to great things.

The reason you have built yourself a high self esteem using these delusions is the attemp by your ego to build over the deep seated inferiority complex in your id, brought about by your experiences as a child.

The pressure from your ego to achieve is the great driving force that has given you both the motivation to study and the ambition to gain an MBA and a high salary to compensate for what your subconscious sees as your innate shortcomings. Like how could you be inferior if you're so rich?

People who are so driven often build themselves up by looking down on people who haven't acheived so much, telling themselves that anyone who acheives less than them is somehow inferior to them. Little do they realise that on the whole, most of the highest acheivers, particularly in business, are inadequates driven by a need to prove themselves, and the reason that other people acheive less is that they are less driven, since they accept and are happy with themselves as they are.

At any rate, nothing beat a good ole fight, especially when I'd jump kick somebody in the chest, overpower them and get them on the ground, pin their arms down with my knees, and then just leisurely pummel them senseless with a few dozen blows to the head (usually by the time you got 10-20 hits in, 3-4 teachers or other adults would pull you off them, but it was all good fun)
Ah, the voice of "good Christianity". :rolleyes:

"No sane man could be a racist, you must have issues." - Any given leftist
Most right-wingers would say the same thing. Sorry, but racism is dying.

No, I think it has more to do with the fact that many Floridians are just to stupid to use a damn ballot. There are also way too many old people there. Florida sucks.

"to stupid"? What exactly does that mean? Check your grammar/spelling before you talk about others being stupid.

"to stupid"? What exactly does that mean? Check your grammar/spelling before you talk about others being stupid.
Uh-oh...are we in a bad mood again today?

Bad grammer there bud. Id say many Alabamians get the same chances people in other states get.. hell especially Florida. Bama has great Ivy League schools aswell... just as good as Florida.

Dont listen to stereotypes my friend.. Alabama is really a great and industrious state, and with the high standard of living there are many people who go on to do great things whether it be in the military, or in politics.

I don't see any grammatical mistakes in my message. However, I see several grammar/spelling mistakes in yours. So much for the supposedly "Ivy League" (haha) educated Alabama.

My bad, meant good SEC schools. Still no call for the flaming.. just goes to show your maturity I guess. ;)

Just goes to show your stupidity.

"to stupid"? What exactly does that mean? Check your grammar/spelling before you talk about others being stupid.
Leaving out a 'o' is hardly high up on the amount of grammar/spelling crimes a person can commit :rolleyes:

Leaving out a 'o' is hardly high up on the amount of grammar/spelling crimes a person can commit :rolleyes:

Yet, when you talk about people being idiotic, you hold yourself up to that standard.

Just goes to show your stupidity.

You've made worse factual errors.

If that showed his stupidity, what does that say about your intellectual prowess?

You've made worse factual errors.

If that showed his stupidity, what does that say about your intellectual prowess?

Name them.

Ok, the friendly approach apparently did not work.

Roma Islamica, KNOCK OFF THE FLAMING.
I just wanted to point this out Roma in case you haven't seen it yet...you've been asked to stop flaming.

Yet, when you talk about people being idiotic, you hold yourself up to that standard.

A persons ability at proper grammar and spelling is no reflection on how clever they are.

I just wanted to point this out Roma in case you haven't seen it yet...you've been asked to stop flaming.

Yes, because that's exactly what I just did, right?...

EDIT: I figured I'd specify the sarcasm in case you didn't comprehend it.

Yes, because that's exactly what I just did, right?...
well...no, you were calling people stupid

well...no, you were calling people stupid

I don't believe I've called anyone stupid since I was asked not to flame. Find an example.

Just goes to show your stupidity.
Example.

Example.

My bad, forgot about that one. I must say, I had to counter that direct attack. But yes, I did indeed say it, just overlooked it.

Why don't we all just to try to focus on a topic instead of picking apart people's spelling and grammar, or making assumptions about their intelligence or whatever.

Name them.
Have short term memory do we?

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8290149&postcount=67) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8290115&postcount=64) spring to mind.

Have short term memory do we?

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8290149&postcount=67) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8290115&postcount=64) spring to mind.

The second one is definitely up for debate. As for the first one, so I was off by a couple of years? The talk of bombing was definitely recent in the House of Commmons even, as I watch Prime Minister's Questions on CNN. IRA, whether or not you regard it as legitimate IRA activity, is definitely alive and well.

The second one is definitely up for debate. As for the first one, so I was off by a couple of years? The talk of bombing was definitely recent in the House of Commmons even, as I watch Prime Minister's Questions on CNN. IRA, whether or not you regard it as legitimate IRA activity, is definitely alive and well.
i would think he was referring to "my little Canadian skank?" (to Sinuhue)

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Calling people idiots, retards, skanks, sluts, jackasses, or gay (as a synonym for stupid) is flaming.

I had reminded people to behave, then I directly warned *you* to stop, Roma Islamica. Apparently, you do not choose to follow the sites' rules about not flaming, nor reminders from the staff that you are crossing the line. Therefore, you're getting a week to cool off.

iForumban.

Once I get out of college, I'll be making about 100-150 thousand a year and this will only increase once I get the MBA I am seeking.

The company my father works for pays managers well, very well, particularly at the branch he works for.
125k directly out of college for a manager? I call BS. High level managers (first vice presidents, for example) don't make that much, much less a fresh out of college manager.

The second one is definitely up for debate.

In what way?

That NI doesn't have a good educational system?

As for the first one, so I was off by a couple of years? The talk of bombing was definitely recent in the House of Commmons even, as I watch Prime Minister's Questions on CNN. IRA, whether or not you regard it as legitimate IRA activity, is definitely alive and well.

The IRA has effectively been dead for ages now.

You could be thinking about the various offshoots like the Provos, the Real Ira or the Continuity IRA. Very different to the actual IRA.

Anyway, at best you off by a couple of decades as to the last IRA bomb. This is completely ignoring the amount of Irishmen that you said were part of the IRA.

Um...am I the only one here who thinks you guys need to calm down?

Heh, I remember when Sinuhue scolded me for getting irritated with someone....

125k directly out of college for a manager? I call BS. High level managers (first vice presidents, for example) don't make that much, much less a fresh out of college manager.


The company my father works for, he tells me I'll have no problem getting a job there and getting that pay.

The company my father works for, he tells me I'll have no problem getting a job there and getting that pay.

Yum! Sounds like a sweet, sweet case of nepotism to me.

8?! I was put into school when I was five, because that was the law.

As for ignorant (not necessarily stupid, just uninformed) Americans, I recently watched an episode of "Street Smarts" (a game show where contestants have to guess whether the people picked off the street will be able to answer fairly simple questions correctly). On this episode they only asked one question of all the people: "How many states are there in the United States." Out of all of them, only 5 or so actually answered correctly with 50. The rest of them got it wrong, including a teacher. One guy actually answered 32. When asked which state was his favorite, he replied "Boston." :headbang:

Yum! Sounds like a sweet, sweet case of nepotism to me.
Yup, getting a job out of favouritism rather than talent or qualifications, that really lifts your self esteem, doesn't it?

Besides, business isn't the most respectable field in the world. I mean, it's all about making yourself (and your company) money, not about doing a single positive thing for anyone... How superior.

Meanwhile, I get to work my arse off for 7 years. Work 60 hour weeks for around $40 000 (Which is actually a rather good starting salary, although the hours are shit as an intern). THEN have the joy of studying AND working full time before I'm qualified fully. It's 4 years to become a GP and at least 6 for other specialties. W00t.

At least I'll know I earned it.

Yup, getting a job out of favouritism rather than talent or qualifications, that really lifts your self esteem, doesn't it?

Besides, business isn't the most respectable field in the world. I mean, it's all about making yourself (and your company) money, not about doing a single positive thing for anyone... How superior.

Meanwhile, I get to work my arse off for 7 years. Work 60 hour weeks for around $40 000 (Which is actually a rather good starting salary, although the hours are shit as an intern). THEN have the joy of studying AND working full time before I'm qualified fully. It's 4 years to become a GP and at least 6 for other specialties. W00t.

At least I'll know I earned it.


My father says that's typically what they start managers off at in the company he works for, varying from 75-125k the first year, and going from 125-150 after 4-5 years. Depending on grades, if you had an internship, where you had it, how it went, etc.

So it'll be either totally from merit, or I'll just make less. But I don't see why I won't keep doing well in college and why I won't do well at the internships I'll be getting (I'm already applying for some, I'm sure to get at least 1)

Anyway, I don't think he has a position high enough in the company to have any say in who gets hired and who makes what.

I have to be off to class shortly, but I will later tonight, TG or IM me if you want to get into a real live, back and forth, debate.

I'd say anything from Arthur De Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Lothrop B. Stoddard, it's very good work. I'll cite specifics later today.


Here we go I said I'd post it and here it is. Thank me for this, I had to find the book, find the page, and then type it out into this post, since his work is not really posted much online.



According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines (The Inequality of Human Races) by Arthur De Gobineau.

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.


The exact table as follows:



White races:
Avg number of grains:87
Max number of grains:109
Min number of grains: 75




Yellow Races (Malays and Mongols):
Avg number of grains (Malays):83
Avg number of grains (Mongols):81
Max number of grains (Malays):93
Max number of grains (Mongols):89
Min number of grains (Malays):69
Min number of grains (Mongols):64



North American Indians:
Avg number of grains:82
Max number of grains:100
Min number of grains:60



Black Races:
Avg number of grains:78
Max number of grains:94
Min number of grains:65

Cranial capacity has been proven to have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with intelligence.

If you don't trust me, come to Melbourne Uni and speak to some very eminent professors...

Cranial capacity has been proven to have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with intelligence.

If you don't trust me, come to Melbourne Uni and speak to some very eminent professors...


In 1970, you could go to Moscow and talk with "Brilliant professors" about how "Communism is the best system in the world and is the most overall sound system."

So what, a bunch of folks who got degrees by towing the line, think they're objective, but really they're just captives to modern social fads.


"The intellectuals, who think themselves free and objective thinkers but are really captives of fashion" -

Jean Raspail, The Camp of the Saints

So you basically just believe whatever you want to believe right?

Advances in science mean nothing?

And yeah, filling skulls with peppercorns is really great scientific method. :rolleyes:
Besides which, measuring intelligence is very arbitrary. And you have drawn no conclusions regarding that anyway, so what ARE you trying to prove?

I'd rather listen to my professors than someone who sees visions, thanks.

In 1970, you could go to Moscow and talk with "Brilliant professors" about how "Communism is the best system in the world and is the most overall sound system."

But they wouldn't be able to properly prove it to be.

Also Communism is a ideology, what Preebles said was scientific.

The analogy is flawed

So what, a bunch of folks who got degrees by towing the line, think they're objective, but really they're just captives to modern social fads.

"The intellectuals, who think themselves free and objective thinkers but are really captives of fashion" -

Jean Raspail, The Camp of the Saints

Still, you have proved nothing to the contrary.

Besides, true Communism has never been achieved, so what those professors said may well be true. ;)
AND there so many different types of Communism it probably is :p

But they wouldn't be able to properly prove it to be.

Also Communism is a ideology, what Preebles said was scientific.

The analogy is flawed



Still, you have proved nothing to the contrary.


Read the Bell Curve, it's proof enough, real, not pseudo-science. The idea that race doesn't even exist, it's just a social construct, is a false idea.

Why then did my parents, both 100% white, have a white child? Was I born without a skin color but received white skin via "racial socialization"?

So if society gives me the image and assigns me the role of a black, I can become black?

(my sociology book actually says something that we are "socialized into race" and it's not biological)

At the very least, they ought to acknowledge skin colors are different because of genetic differences. And furthermore, forensics experts and anthropologists can tell the race of a skeleton when they find a decayed body in the woods, etc.

Besides, true Communism has never been achieved,


Typical communist lie so they can write themselves carte blanche to keep trying again and again, thus killing more right-wingers and whites in gulags, each time, then claiming, "Oh that wasn't real communism, let us try again!"

Why then did my parents, both 100% white, have a white child? Was I born without a skin color but received white skin via "racial socialization"?
That's genetics, not race. :rolleyes: Go read some real science.


Typical communist lie so they can write themselves carte blanche to keep trying again and again, thus killing more right-wingers and whites in gulags, each time, then claiming, "Oh that wasn't real communism, let us try again!"

Yeah, Communists are all about killing whitey. :rolleyes: You're such a victim VoteEarly. Poor little you.

And Communists need to try again because they have failed. What would you have them do, sit on their arses? But then again, like I said there are many many different views on the ideology, so there is NO CONSPIRACY!

Go read some real science.



I already have, by Count Charles Arthur De Gobineau, called, "The Inequality of Human Races".

I already have, by Count Charles Arthur De Gobineau, called, "The Inequality of Human Races".
Care to outline his method? Some stats, maybe p values? Peer reviews? Meta-analyses?

I somehow doubt it would hold up before any criticism.

I already have, by Count Charles Arthur De Gobineau, called, "The Inequality of Human Races".
What? The constantly disproved shit writted over 100 fucking years ago?

Real cutting-edge science there, fella.

What? The constantly disproved shit writted over 100 fucking years ago?

Real cutting-edge science there, fella.


Anybody who says, "Writted" and who can't put a sentence together, "That constantly disproven* not disproved..."

Argh, you have no ground on which to stand to speak on intellectual matters.

Anybody who says, "Writted" and who can't put a sentence together, "That constantly disproven* not disproved..."

Argh, you have no ground on which to stand to speak on intellectual matters.
The last resort of someone with no leg to stand on, picking on spelling and grammar...

And still, no statistical verification? No scientific method?

The last resort of someone with no leg to stand on, picking on spelling and grammar...

And still, no statistical verification? No scientific method?


Something written 100 years ago is not inherently less valid. You dismiss it as "old trash" basically. Ask yourself, "How old is the Constitution?".

When you start dismissing old texts just for being old, expect me to criticize you in all regards.

Something written 100 years ago is not inherently less valid. You dismiss it as "old trash" basically. Ask yourself, "How old is the Constitution?".

I did not do that. I dismiss it as unscientific trash. For the third time. WHERE ARE YOUR STATS AND AN ANALYSIS OF THEM? AND AN ANALYSIS OF THE METHOD. It can't claim to be science unless it has that.

And the constitution isn't science. Stop trying to prove things with bad examples.

I did not do that. I dismiss it as unscientific trash. For the third time. WHERE ARE YOUR STATS AND AN ANALYSIS OF THEM? AND AN ANALYSIS OF THE METHOD. It can't claim to be science unless it has that.

And the constitution isn't science. Stop trying to prove things with bad examples.


If you won't accept the table of data showing the cranial capacity, then you'll never be open to any further real science, and thus I cannot debate with you.

If you won't accept the table of data showing the cranial capacity, then you'll never be open to any further real science, and thus I cannot debate with you.

BWAHAHAHAHA.

Keep tellin yourself that darlin.

Well, if kids go late to school, they will finish late and therefore spend less time unemployed.

On the other hand, people who work less pay less taxes and insurance premiums, making both more expensive.

check out http://www.answers.com/topic/race-and-intelligence?hl=brain&hl=size&hl=intelligence
It shows that there is correlation between race and intelligence, and at another page on the site it shows a correlation between larger brain size and intelligence. The order of intellgent races that they give: Jews, East Asians, Caucasians, African Americans, and Africans.

However, I strongly believe that using only intelligence as a measure of supiriority is a shallow, single dimesntional view that is worthless. I'm sure that VoteEarly would still (forgive me for putting words in your mouth, but this is what I seem to gather from your other posts) feel supirior to all us "reprobates" (or however it's spelled), even if we all were much smarter than he.

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Not intelligence ;)

VoteEarly, at what company does your father work? Just out of curiosity.

check out http://www.answers.com/topic/race-and-intelligence?hl=brain&hl=size&hl=intelligence
It shows that there is correlation between race and intelligence, and at another page on the site it shows a correlation between larger brain size and intelligence. The order of intellgent races that they give: Jews, East Asians, Caucasians, African Americans, and Africans.


VoteEarly, at what company does your father work? Just out of curiosity.


I tend to think that some Jews are white (Khazarics are the parasites who falsely claim to be Jews. But there are many racially white, religiously jewish, folks in Europe... Anyway the order of intelligence as I see it goes.

Whites
Semites
Japanese
Arabs
Indians
American Indians
South-East Asians
Mestizos
American Negro
African Negro
Pacific Islanders
Australian Aboriginie


I base that on overall historical, cultural, intellectual, and technological achievements. Modern IQ tests will likely favor Asians because they have not suffered the dumbing down of their schools as have most white nations. But if we look to history, we see a history of brilliant white achievement.

I like how I backed you up with evidence...

And then you completely disregarded the conclusions of the actual study, and instead gave us your own opinion. I thought we were going to stick with actual science here, not VEscience.

I base that on overall historical, cultural, intellectual, and technological achievements. Modern IQ tests will likely favor Asians because they have not suffered the dumbing down of their schools as have most white nations. But if we look to history, we see a history of brilliant white achievement.


Yes sir you are correct. It was the "white" person that made the world what it is today

Yes sir you are correct. It was the "white" person that made the world what it is today

:cool:

I think VE hould be banned from using "zero" since it was dirty brown people who invented it. Back to Roman numerals you!

And yup, still no hard science...

Oh and Bodesty, IQ tests seriously suck at measuring intelligence, so I wouldn't go believing them too much. And aren't those correlation figures not in support of the brain size/intelligence theory? And cmon, WIKIPEDIA? Journal articles please.

I like how I backed you up with evidence...

And then you completely disregarded the conclusions of the actual study, and instead gave us your own opinion. I thought we were going to stick with actual science here, not VEscience.


This is based on Gobineau, Chamberlain, Stoddard, Darwin, Galton, etc.

:cool:

I think VE hould be banned from using "zero" since it was dirty brown people who invented it. Back to Roman numerals you!

And yup, still no hard science...

Oh and Bodesty, IQ tests seriously suck at measuring intelligence, so I wouldn't go believing them too much. And aren't those correlation figures not in support of the brain size/intelligence theory? And cmon, WIKIPEDIA? Journal articles please.

Well its a bit hard to come up with the facts on the net about race in dealing inventions and social inventions. The information is biased towards minorities. The reason is that if anyone put down that "White" people contributed the most to our world. They would be labled as an racist.

Hey, with Wikipedia at least it's independent verification of claims, rather than dull my-word-versus-your-word arguments. And that site cited their information.

We must define intelligence as something...I agree that IQ may not be a good representation of whatever intelligence is, as it does not account for non-logical inteligence (artistic, musical, personal etc.) but at least it's a place to start. And I think that that study, assuming that it's true, proves racial superiority.

Honestly, how do you expect me, or anyone, to find journal articles at whatever ungodly (excuse me, VE) time it is where ever we happen to be living?

Well its a bit hard to come up with the facts on the net about race in dealing inventions and social inventions. The information is biased towards minorities. The reason is that if anyone put down that "White" people contributed the most to our world. They would be labled as an racist.


Not if they weren't white... And a lot of people aren't.

I have some journal articles.


The question is not whether Murray and Herrnstein's argument is "racist"; the question is whether the empirically measured differences among racial groups reflect "intelligence." The tests do indeed measure something, but it is not "intelligence." Rather, they measure what I have called "modern consciousness," a set of intellectual skills that are particularly relevant to operating in the highly specialized worlds of modern technology and rationalistically organized bureaucracies. These core institutions of modern society are produced by, and in turn produce, peculiarly modern cognitive styles: the ability to operate on high levels of abstraction; to break reality down analytically into components; to keep multiple relationships in mind simultaneously; and, especially significant for IQ testing, to relate present tasks to possible future consequences. This last skill, by definition, can be achieved only on the basis of past experiences and habits of thought that individuals acqire during the earliest period of socialization, when a basic matrix of cognition develops....
Murray and Herrnstein's methodological fixation blinds them to a different way of understanding these phenomena. The deficiency is especially conspicuous in their interpretation of the relatively low scores of African-Americans as a group. While everyone would agree that some individuals are smarter than others and that IQ is not as malleable as some have argued in the past, there is good evidence that socialization practices (particularly in the early years) and factors of family structure and interaction, of neighborhood and religion, help shape an individual's cognitive structure. If one looks at the data presented in this book from the "modern consciousness" analytical framework, it becomes clear that African-Americans, as a group, continue to lead lives distant from the centers of modernity. Hence they have not yet been fully initiated into the habits of thought underpinning the operations of sophisticated technologies and organizational structures. Yet there is no reason to suppose that this could not be changed through the practices that help form modern consciousness.
In other words, they weren't testing intelligence at all...


Abstract Rushton and Ankney (1995) show that new Magnetic Resonance Imaging MRI studies allow the statement that brain size and IQ are correlated. However, the evidence does not justify statements about the relation of brain size and IQ across race and sex. Rushton & Ankney's comparisons of brain size across races are based on brain weights corrected for body weights, but the corrections are not justifiable for within-species comparisons. Large variations of brain size within race groupings (as defined by Rushton & Ankney), and large secular changes in brain size add to doubts about the validity of Rushton & Ankney's arguments about race/brain size/IQ relations. Rushton & Ankney suggest that sex differences in brain size relate to sex differences in IQ and spatial abilities; however, the sex differences in IQ do not stand in proportion to differences in brain size, and spatial performance in women does not correlate with brain size. Scaling brain size across sexes remains an unsolved problem.
Flawed studies and bad maths. Picking and choosing which correlations to pay attention to in order to prove your point.


Studies estimate that genes account for between 30 and 80% of our intelligence. Using meta-analysis-a statistical method that allows researchers to compare data from different experiments-a group of researchers showed that, when all these studies are taken together, genetics appear to determine roughly half of intelligence, environment the other half.

The question of whether human races possess different intellectual capacities comes, at least in part, from an early twentieth-century observation that African Americans' IQ scores were, on the average, 15 points lower than those of white Americans. Recently, the black/white IQ difference has decreased; today it's closer to 10 points.

It's difficult to see how a five-point change in the IQ difference between black and white Americans could have come about in less than a century if genetics caused the difference entirely. Even more interesting, Americans and western Europeans today score 15 points higher on identical IQ tests than their great-grandparents did. A 15-point difference in IQ is significant (an IQ of 100 is "average," 130 "gifted"); but we clearly aren't more intelligent than our great-grandparents. It seems that environmental factors can and do play havoc with our attempts to measure intelligence.

Finally, a study of black children adopted by white versus black families in America showed that the black children raised by whites had higher IQ scores than those raised by blacks-suggesting an environmental cause. When the studies are taken together, the many caveats involved with the role of genetics and environment make it hard to draw firm conclusions. But the balance of data suggests no racial difference in intelligence.

Seeing as how race is a genetic thing, it CANNOT be the main determinant of differences in IQ, considering these finding. Not references to other literature, meta-analyses and such. OMG, science!

It's hard to tell what your child needs.

Unless that parent is very "in tune". Parents can really fck a kid up imo, but not so much that its out of being fixed.

Do the best the best you can, with your heart in the right place and thats all you can hope for.

what can I say but I am obviously in the presence of person with greater IQ than myself ;) heehee

Seriously, I am impressed. And VE is worng.

what can I say but I am obviously in the presence of person with greater IQ than myself heehee

Seriously, I am impressed. And VE is worng.

I'm trying to distract myself from doing work. :p Trawling for journal articles is as good a way as any.

Did you just google for them, or did you search a specific site? I want to learn... :)

Did you just google for them, or did you search a specific site? I want to learn...
Findarticles (www.findarticles.com) It's great for essays and stuff. Basically a whole heap of journal articles from all field collected in one place.

I also like e-medicine (www.emedicine.com.au) for science/medical related things. :)

Glad to be of use.