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one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas had betrayed him, therefore he would not be a maytr, therefore Christianity would have little appeal over the older religions and it probably would either die out or go the way of a small cult.

2. Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus which would lead to the same consequences.

3. Constantine lost at the Battle of Milvian Bridge.

The Christians stopped the blood preaching!

all this religion crap could have been avoided if. . . one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas...

WTF? As I recall Jesus was killed first and then Judas hung himself...

WTF? As I recall Jesus was killed first and then Judas hung himself...
I think he meant before he met Judas

forgot to finish the sentance : before Judas betrayed Jesus

it's pointless to argue about this... it's been done before and everybody just flames each other and it all ends very badly

Or if people long ago woke up and grasped the idea of following their own spiritual path without the damn need to force/persuade/beguile/brainwash others to hold the same beliefs they hold.

Organised religion is for people who can't think independently. Deists rule! :p

Thank you, I am an athiest, but I do agree.

Perhaps if humanity never came into being?

I am very much a theist --a Christian, in fact, and yet am still very able to think independently, in fact so because of my theism

so why did you write deism?

Maybe if the Vatican hadn't called for all christians to take the holy land.

the sins of the past cannot be held accountable by the current incarnation of Holy Mother Church. as for the rest, it did happen, so arguing about what ifs doesn't change anything. as i've stated in countless other arguements, "the Greater Way may be found in the Lesser."

Or if the christians hadn't directly lifted the Rites of Mithras for their own mass minus the baby sacrificing.

all this religion crap

I think you meant "all this Christianity crap"
I know it may be hard for Unitedstatesians to realize, but Christianity is NOT the only religion in the world.

I think you meant "all this Christianity crap"
I know it may be hard for Unitedstatesians to realize, but Christianity is NOT the only religion in the world.


Calvinism is however, the only true religion in the world. But we're not interested in "converting heathens". We've never been concerned with a nominal adherence to the Five Points. We only want God's Elect, if God does not want you, we do not want you.

Calvinism is however, the only true religion in the world. But we're not interested in "converting heathens". We've never been concerned with a nominal adherence to the Five Points. We only want God's Elect, if God does not want you, we do not want you.
Well I certainly don't want any of you, so it all works out well.

If... The Egyptians would have done their part :D

Of course, you would just be listening to a bunch of Jews whining about the exact same things, minus Jesus.
That or lots of Pagan Romans.

And think about how BORING history would be. What would be the POINT of history class? A series of relativly pointless imperialistic wars against evil barbarians.
And I imagine Atilla would have gone on to sack Rome, named himself Emperor, and then built the ships needed to sack North America :P

one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas had betrayed him, therefore he would not be a maytr, therefore Christianity would have little appeal over the older religions and it probably would either die out or go the way of a small cult.

2. Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus which would lead to the same consequences.

I was only the other day saying how I dislike christianity for destroying jesus reputation and bringing his name into disrepute.

Christianity is guilty of the biggest character assassination in history!!!

All of this religion crap could have been avoided if we'd never developed language and conciousness!

Unfortunately we did and now we've got to deal with it, which basically means that we end up with hundreds of different groups going "We're right, you're not!" slightly less going "we're all basically into the same thing, we should be nice and get along?" and even fewer going "well we might be right, but then again maybe not, so let's just be good."

As to whether any of them are actually right...

one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas had betrayed him, therefore he would not be a maytr, therefore Christianity would have little appeal over the older religions and it probably would either die out or go the way of a small cult.

2. Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus which would lead to the same consequences.

and buddha hadn't worried about the sick people outside his palace, an mohammed had stuck to selling camels, and the people of india hadn't had a religion, and so on and so on and so on.

christianity is some water in a big river.

Calvinism is however, the only true religion in the world. But we're not interested in "converting heathens". We've never been concerned with a nominal adherence to the Five Points. We only want God's Elect, if God does not want you, we do not want you.

I'm glad that VoteEarly is one of god's elect. Although I wonder when it was that god told him. Wouldn't it be funny if VoteEarly got to heaven and Peter said "your name's not down - you're not coming in" ?

Calvinism is however, the only true religion in the world. But we're not interested in "converting heathens". We've never been concerned with a nominal adherence to the Five Points. We only want God's Elect, if God does not want you, we do not want you.

I like that idea. Sort of like Christianity minus the zealot-ness.

The zealot-ness is pretty much annoying.

I still think Jesus was killed by the ancient version of the CIA.

I like that idea. Sort of like Christianity minus the zealot-ness.
Eh? He/she is a zealot, "a fanatical and uncompromising follower of a religion or policy" quite clearly.

The fact that he/she doesn't care whether we are or not is irrelevant or would be if he/she would stop telling everybody else they're going to hell or believing the wrong things constantly.

"Calvinism is the only the true religion."

Wow. You know, people like you fly planes into buildings.

Calvinism only wants "God's elect?" And i suppose you consider yourself one of this "elect"?

So, one day when the calvinist "true religion" dies, no one will ever go to heaven again. How sad.

This is the sorry bullcrap that turned me away from organized religion. The religion can easily boost the self esteem of its own members by proclaiming they are better then anyone else, that they are "the elect." It seems calvinism has taking the next step by saying that not only are others worthless, they are not even worth trying to save (therefore saving a lot of time and effort for the church)

At least, thats the way i see it. If this is "flaming", then you can consider "Calvinism is the only true religion" as "flaming" too.

Calvinism is however, the only true religion in the world. But we're not interested in "converting heathens". We've never been concerned with a nominal adherence to the Five Points. We only want God's Elect, if God does not want you, we do not want you.

What makes you think you're part of the elect? If spaces are limited how do you know God hasn't filled them all and now he's laughing at the people he makes think are part of the elect when he's also watching them burn in hell. (implying of course that time is no issue to God)

I think you meant "all this Christianity crap"
I know it may be hard for Unitedstatesians to realize, but Christianity is NOT the only religion in the world.

Seconded.

And You guys mostly live in 'used to be Christian nations'.

one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas had betrayed him, therefore he would not be a maytr, therefore Christianity would have little appeal over the older religions and it probably would either die out or go the way of a small cult.

2. Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus which would lead to the same consequences.
Which is a moot point because both happened.

i think ppl should just realize that early religions where based off ppl trying to explain why things happened....i mean look at greko-roman gods:zuess throws lighteningbolts wich are scientifically explainable

Which is a moot point because both happened.

And, if you look at what is preached in the Bible, both were destined to happen anyway (Suffering servant narrative in Isaiah et al)

But, given that I am a Christian, I must of course be a zealot who listens to nobody, is rude and hateful, and unable to think- why else would anyone believe in God? which renders my comments pointless.

And, if you look at what is preached in the Bible, both were destined to happen anyway (Suffering servant narrative in Isaiah et al)

But, given that I am a Christian, I must of course be a zealot who listens to nobody, is rude and hateful, and unable to think- why else would anyone believe in God? which renders my comments pointless.
Indeed. I was going to say something like that, but you put it so much more elegantly. :)

i think ppl should just realize that early religions where based off ppl trying to explain why things happened....i mean look at greko-roman gods:zuess throws lighteningbolts wich are scientifically explainable
I thought that's was science was...people trying to explain what's happening. I mean, we think that lightning are electric discharges, but 500 years from now some guy invents some machine that shows that we were all idiots and that it really was Zeus.

What people fail to realize is that religions are not an explanation of how things happen, but why things happen. Science explains how, religion explains why.

But, given that I am a Christian, I must of course be a zealot who listens to nobody, is rude and hateful, and unable to think- why else would anyone believe in God? which renders my comments pointless.

That you are a Christian, doesn't necessarily make you a zealot in my eyes at all. My comment was directed at one individual, if you check back over some of his/her (sorry don't know which sex) posts from the same day, I think it may become obvious why it was made.

one of two things happened.

1. Jesus was killed before Judas had betrayed him, therefore he would not be a maytr, therefore Christianity would have little appeal over the older religions and it probably would either die out or go the way of a small cult.

2. Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus which would lead to the same consequences.

...but God's will was for him to die on the cross for us, so I'm guessing that

a)Jesus couldn't have been killed prior to the cross and

b)Had Judas tried to kill Jesus he would have failed, and if he had refused to betray Jesus, someone else would have taken his place. His death on the cross was going to happen because it was God's way of giving us a chance at salvation.

that's what i figure anyway, had the two things of which you speak been attempted.

how do you know he was supposed to die on the cross? what if he'd died in a lion pit?