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For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads. I gave a practice challenge during them, but nobody was able to meet it. So this time, I'll offer an even simpler challenge:

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

Your computer exists because without it you wouldn't be able to post or read my reply to your post.

....This is basically impossible to prove. Nevertheless, I'll try to.
You breathe, and are not dead, so air, or something that fills the function of air, exists, whatever it might be.

this is a very weak attempt, and poorly written too, but this is an evil thread. And you are an evil person. I bet you even have a white cat.

you pretty much cant, theres always some way of casting doubt on it

For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads. I gave a practice challenge during them, but nobody was able to meet it. So this time, I'll offer an even simpler challenge:

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

Can you even prove you even exist?. Okk I cant really contribute to this cause I am stupid and I dont think it is possible...

Thanks for your time

Your computer exists because without it you wouldn't be able to post or read my reply to your post.
Hmm?
How do I know it is really a computer? How do I know I am not simply hallucinating posting that and reading and responding to posts?

If you bleed, does your blood stop to exist? Even if you could put it back?

....This is basically impossible to prove. Nevertheless, I'll try to.
You breathe
I breathe? I don't know that. I might not breathe.

this is an evil thread.
Yup!
And you are an evil person.
Yup!
I bet you even have a white cat.
Damn. No.
One of my neighbors has a white cat, though. Does that count?

how do you know you arent a brain hooked up to a computer feeding in the right signals to make it seem like we all exist?

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

The keyboard you typed this message on exists.

If you bleed, does your blood stop to exist? Even if you could put it back?
:confused:
Huh?

Does anyone know how to prove to a person that that person does not exist? I've forgotten how, but its pretty funny.

:confused:
Huh?
Gotcha

how do you know you arent a brain hooked up to a computer feeding in the right signals to make it seem like we all exist?
Exactly!
How do I know if I am even connected to any physical entity?
How do I know that I'm not just a nonphysical mind being fed sensations by some greater being?

Gotcha
:confused:
Huh again?

Exactly!
How do I know if I am even connected to any physical entity?
How do I know that I'm not just a nonphysical mind being fed sensations by some greater being?
You can you be fed by/feed something, if there is nothing to fed to/from?

Exactly!
How do I know if I am even connected to any physical entity?
How do I know that I'm not just a nonphysical mind being fed sensations by some greater being?

if that's true, then that greater being would exist, and something outwith yourself would exist. Simply by being, something outwith yourself exists.
or not. I forget.

if that's true, then that greater being would exist, and something outwith yourself would exist. Simply by being, something outwith yourself exists.
or not. I forget.
but it would also mean that every single thing in her world was non-existant

everything she cared about, every person she knew, would all be a figment of her imagination

hmm...

but it would also mean that every single thing in her world was non-existant

everything she cared about, every person she knew, would all be a figment of her imagination

hmm...
OOOOOOOR

they do exist and everybody should stop thinking about The Matrix

For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads. I gave a practice challenge during them, but nobody was able to meet it. So this time, I'll offer an even simpler challenge:

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

Prove to me why you exist, why don't ya, and maybe I'll prove to you that other things exist.

OOOOOOOR

they do exist and everybody should stop thinking about The Matrix
thats the sort of stuff you have to think about when you do philosophy

we were going over concepts just like that in our tutorial yesterday

hurts my head :(

but it would also mean that every single thing in her world was non-existant

everything she cared about, every person she knew, would all be a figment of her imagination

hmm...

Well, I've got the test to see whether I'm imagining life, the universe and everything....
Lucid dream powers... go!

*glances down*

Nope, nothing. I'm here, and this world is as mundane as I suspected. Damn you, damn the world, and damn the Wright Brothers!

thats the sort of stuff you have to think about when you do philosophy

we were going over concepts just like that in our tutorial yesterday

hurts my head :(
Awwww :(

Why don't you study for something easier.... Like rocket scientist?

Awwww :(

Why don't you study for something easier.... Like rocket scientist?
overqualified :eek:


its only for this year, then im dropping it.

its confusing and it makes my head hurt, just not worth the effort

Jesussaves.

There is no possibility, none, that even in the most deluded of moments your mind could have created a hallicinatory being as cracked as jesussaves. So he has to be external to you.

Do I win?

For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads.

*whistles innocently*

*Did not just post a thread ranting about the Creationist man she met today*

*whistles innocently some more*

You are the same energy as the world... so if you exist how can the rest of the world not exist if you are the same thing. I do not mean the same energy as different things but all one entity...

overqualified :eek:


its only for this year, then im dropping it.

its confusing and it makes my head hurt, just not worth the effort
I know your pain.

I stopped thinking about all that crap, when I invented beer

I know your pain.

I stopped thinking about all that crap, when I invented beer
you invented it?

*bows down*

youre like...my idol

Jesussaves.

There is no possibility, none, that even in the most deluded of moments your mind could have created a hallicinatory being as cracked as jesussaves. So he has to be external to you.

Do I win?


In the same vein, Winston Churchill. There is no way that you could imagine someone that cool. He has to be external.
Also, Al Capone, for the same reason, but slightly less so.
And Winston Churchill quotes get points. And points mean prizes.

you invented it?

*bows down*

youre like...my idol
:eek: You drink beer and philosophize?

Of course your head hurts

For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads. I gave a practice challenge during them, but nobody was able to meet it. So this time, I'll offer an even simpler challenge:

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

That can't be proven. You are inseperable from everything and therefore one with the universe.

:eek: You drink beer and philosophize?

Of course your head hurts
suppose its gonna have to be one or the other :(

*drops philosophy*

Actually, it isn't impossible to prove the existence of things external to yourself.

There are three things that come to mind:

Option 1 - Our senses are accurate and not fooled, which basically means that what we see, feel, taste, touch & hear are all correct. Existence of external objects is proved by observation.

Option 2 - Our senses are being "tricked" (the Matrix theory) but in that case, what is doing the tricking? If we assume there is an external source to the trickery then we must therefore accept that although we cannot know it, there is an external object.

Option 3 - Our senses are being "tricked" but the source of it is our own mind. Which leads to the question of "If we exist in mind only and all else is a void and the only thing we know is our own delusions, then what is the source of inspiration for our delusions?"

Perhaps there are other choices... if I've got any big flaws in my thinking, please point them out as I'm always keen to improve.

suppose its gonna have to be one or the other :(

*drops philosophy*

Nah, the only good way to do philosophy is down the boozer. Don't drop it, it is one more good excuse to stay for another pint.

Nah, the only good way to do philosophy is down the boozer. Don't drop it, it is one more good excuse to stay for another pint.
nah, the best way to do it is while high

nah, the best way to do it is while high

True. Have a cookie. :cool:

True. Have a cookie. :cool:
yay, cookie :cool:

nah, the best way to do it is while high
or both :eek:

or both :eek:
we have a winner :D

Argh... while typing my reply the thread turned to cookies...

*sigh* No chance of a reply now.

Can I have a cookie then?

i give up

For the moment, it seems we're over with the "Prove God exists" threads and the "Prove evolution" threads. I gave a practice challenge during them, but nobody was able to meet it. So this time, I'll offer an even simpler challenge:

Prove to me that any object outside myself exists.

Have loads of fun practicing!

We were just talking about this in my logic class last night. So here's the proof of how you can't prove that the outside world exists.

We don't actually have the outside world (ow). All we have is our perceptions of the outside world(perow).
For trying to prove one thing from another, there are two relationships possible. Either the two are equivilent, or one implies (if...then...) the other.
But, ow=/=perow.

(ow implies perow
perow
therefore, ow) invalid argument. If you don't believe me, check your logic book.

(perow implies ow
perow
therefore, ow) vaild. However, the first premise implies that there is an ow to give us perow, so it is just a reforming of the last argument.

We have exhausted the possibilites.
Therefore, it is not possible to logically prove that the outside world exists.