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Hypothetical situation: Something truely near and dear to you (your religion, booze, homosexuality, heterosexuality, sexuality, or whatever) has recently been outlawed - as a capital offense.

1) Do you continue practicing/using it?
2) Assuming a yes answer to #1, you have been ratted out and the police arrive in force to arrest you. What do you do?

Such as marijuana? I continue to use it, and if the police really want to arrest me for it, then they shall. It's not like I don't know it's a crime.

1) Do you continue practicing/using it?
2) Assuming a yes answer to #1, you have been ratted out and the police arrive in force to arrest you. What do you do?

1) Yes.
2) Go out in a hail of bullets.

I can't think of anything they could ban that I wouldn't be able to give up.

Oh God, except caffeine. I need my sweet, sweet caffeine. Eh, I'd just shift onto sugar, I guess.

Hypothetical situation: Something truely near and dear to you (your religion, booze, homosexuality, heterosexuality, sexuality, or whatever) has recently been outlawed - as a capital offense.

1) Do you continue practicing/using it?
2) Assuming a yes answer to #1, you have been ratted out and the police arrive in force to arrest you. What do you do?
several things that are dear to me are currently illegal, and yes i continue to do them. i believe the laws prohibiting me from those activities are unconstitutional. i also believe that i should be free to choose things like what i put into my own body and who i choose to have sex with, and as long as my choices do not interfere with the freedoms of any other citizens the government has no business forbidding me these rights.

if the police attempted to arrest me for breaking these laws, i would be more than willing (and able) to take my case to the Supreme Court. i would be delighted to humilate any politicians or law enforcement personel who wanted to pick on me, because i am the posterchild for successful youth; i came from a poor background, graduated at the top of my class, tripple majored, and now study for my PhD...if they want to "make an example" of somebody, i am just about the worst person they could possibly pick.

however, i don't believe i will ever be prosecuted for my actions, because none of them harm a single person, and the cops have better things to do with their time.

several things that are dear to me are currently illegal, and yes i continue to do them. i believe the laws prohibiting me from those activities are unconstitutional. i also believe that i should be free to choose things like what i put into my own body and who i choose to have sex with, and as long as my choices do not interfere with the freedoms of any other citizens the government has no business forbidding me these rights.

I think the question is more geared towards what would you be willing to give your life for.

1.)Yes
2.)Change my underwear soon as cos they were no longer clean after the cops raided my place :(

Such as marijuana? I continue to use it, and if the police really want to arrest me for it, then they shall. It's not like I don't know it's a crime.

Even considering the stipulation that it's now a capital offense?

If it is *truly* dear I will state so openly and either try to reverse the decision (assuming a free country with freedom of speech). Failing that I will - if possible- leave for a country where it is legal.
Failing that too I am unsure. I *think* I would ignore the law, but do so openly. I will not resist the police when they come for me, not break the law in secret.

All of the above is invalid if the country in question is not 'free'.

I think the question is more geared towards what would you be willing to give your life for.
"give my life" is a bit vague. i will say this much: if the US federal government passes an ammendment barring gay marriage, i am leaving the country. if abortion is made illegal by the federal government, i am leaving the country. i will not allow my tax dollars to support an unjust government, nor will i allow my talents to increase the prosperity of a nation that does not recognize individual freedoms and equal rights.

Even considering the stipulation that it's now a capital offense?

Well what am I going to do? Try to resist arrest, and likely get killed?

1)yes
2) Take as many of them with me as i can. :mp5:

"give my life" is a bit vague. i will say this much: if the US federal government passes an ammendment barring gay marriage, i am leaving the country. if abortion is made illegal by the federal government, i am leaving the country. i will not allow my tax dollars to support an unjust government, nor will i allow my talents to increase the prosperity of a nation that does not recognize individual freedoms and equal rights.

Well he said it would be a capital offense, so I figured he was asking is there anything that is so important to you that you would continue to do it despite the fact that you could be executed for it.

I would do as I pleased, if I thought it critical and unfair, and I would accept the consequences of my actions if I were to be arrested.

I think the question is more geared towards what would you be willing to give your life for.

Yes, in part. But the second part is more do you go to your execution quietly or fighting? And if you go fighting, in what way?

(Partly inspired by my current sig. ;))

1) Yes
2) I would say something witty and get my ass kicked aferwards.

Yes, in part. But the second part is more do you go to your execution quietly or fighting? And if you go fighting, in what way?

(Partly inspired by my current sig. ;))

Ah, well then I'll elaborate. If the police came to arrest me, I would go quietly. I'm going to probably die whether or not I fight the arrest, and if I do fight the arrest, then innocent people might be put in harm's way, not to mention the police officers have done nothing to deserve being killed just for doing their jobs. So I'd "man up" and accept the consequences of knowingly breaking the law.

Hypothetical situation: Something truely near and dear to you (your religion, booze, homosexuality, heterosexuality, sexuality, or whatever) has recently been outlawed - as a capital offense.

1) Do you continue practicing/using it?
2) Assuming a yes answer to #1, you have been ratted out and the police arrive in force to arrest you. What do you do?
1. Perhaps. It would depend upon who was in charge when it was outlawed.

2. My informal intel network would have notifed me in advance, so I would be gone before they got here. As to what actions I would take afterward, I will leave that to your imagination, but it would involve a secret organization of veterans, high-powered sniper rifles, 3,000 lbs of C-4 explosives and several miles of det cord! "Mess with the best, die like the rest!" Mwahahahaha! :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper:

1. Perhaps. It would depend upon who was in charge when it was outlawed.

I'm interested as to the reasoning behind this.

Well for example it is illegal for me to get married to anyone in this country that i will be able to love in a complete manner. Furthermore that marriage would not be recognised if I returned to this country. This is an infringement on what I perceive to be a right. Interestingly this very dilemma you have suggested is occurring during the upcoming state election on Saturday where the Opposition has stated that it will “review” queer-legislation and remove to rights to access the Family Court system or IVF as well as prohibiting same-sex adoption.

I’m not really old enough to be influenced by this legislation in any meaningful way and so for now I will participate in a mild sense of agitation to prevent this change and infringement on my rights. If one day I wanted to adopt or marry someone then I would look at the likelihood of change occurring if I thought it too distant or unlikely then I would go into a voluntary exile. I don’t know if marriage is essential to a relationship but I think it’s a Right. Should I ever love someone so deeply and longingly that I wanted to marry them I think I would seriously consider moving, probably to Canada.

I'm interested as to the reasoning behind this.
You are, eh? That's fascinating! :D

You are, eh? That's fascinating! :D

That's it. No cookie for you.

That's it. No cookie for you.
ROFLMAO! Aww! :(

Are you implying that I didn't respond to your post? ;)

1.)Yes
2.)Change my underwear soon as cos they were no longer clean after the cops raided my place :(

Lol! Made my day.

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1) Yes
2) ESCAPE! Run to the next door neighbouring country or fly overseas to some other country and ask for immunity.

ROFLMAO! Aww! :(

Are you implying that I didn't respond to your post? ;)

No. You replied. Just in a jerky manner. Hence the expropriation of cookies.

1. Perhaps. It would depend upon who was in charge when it was outlawed.

Can you elaborate?

2. My informal intel network would have notifed me in advance

Nope. The stipulation is that you've been ratted out. (Someone who secretly resents you for example.)

If it was something that i felt so important that i'd risk the death penalty to protect (right to racial equality, for example) then i'd definately be in contact with a lot of people who felt the same way. If the police came for me we'd riot.

For more minor things ... i have no fear of death, so the death penalty wouldn't massively bother me. How my family woudl feel is something i'd have to consider very carefully, and possibly i'd give up something that wasn't a massive infringement on civil rights for their sake.

No. You replied. Just in a jerky manner. Hence the expropriation of cookies.
Oh no! Not the dreaded "cookie expropriation!" :D

Well, since you're such a nice guy I'll explain my reasoning, even though you never really asked. :p

If the organization or institution which outlawed whatever it was, were the legitimately elected representatives of the people, I would acquiese. If not, I might not. Happy now? :D

1. Can you elaborate?

2. The stipulation is that you've been ratted out. (Someone who secretly resents you for example.)
1. Just did. See above.

2. You underestimate the efficacy of my intel network! :D

If the organization or institution which outlawed whatever it was, were the legitimately elected representatives of the people, I would acquiese. If not, I might not. Happy now? :D


So if a legitimate US congress outlawed Christianity as a capital offense (with the appropriate changes to the 1st amend.), you'd acquiese?

1. Just did. See above.

2. You underestimate the efficacy of my intel network! :D

Just did. ;)
No such thing as perfect intel. (Or to put it another way, your resistance cell is infiltrated, your family turns you in, etc. All of which are liable to happen, as every resistance movement can tell you. No movement escapes without casualties.)

1) I'd still do it, all the while working within the system to get the law overturned.

2) It'd have to be the Feds... The local cops here would stand with me. And there'd be a lot of dead Feds. This scenario is exactly what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

Hypothetical situation: Something truely near and dear to you (your religion, booze, homosexuality, heterosexuality, sexuality, or whatever) has recently been outlawed - as a capital offense.


You don't have to go that far. Ripping your DVD's to your laptop to watch on the road or defeating the copy protection on CD's is now illegal in the US.


1) Do you continue practicing/using it?
2) Assuming a yes answer to #1, you have been ratted out and the police arrive in force to arrest you. What do you do?

1) Yes.
2) I pay the fine or do the time.

1) I'd still do it, all the while working within the system to get the law overturned.

2) It'd have to be the Feds... The local cops here would stand with me. And there'd be a lot of dead Feds. This scenario is exactly what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

:D As I said above, this was partly inspired by the song quoted in my sig. Which is the point exactly about the second amendment. ;)

You don't have to go that far. Ripping your DVD's to your laptop to watch on the road or defeating the copy protection on CD's is now illegal in the US.

1) Yes.
2) I pay the fine or do the time.

Remember the stipulation - whatever it is is now a capital crime.
Would you really accept the death penalty rather than pay for your music?

Remember the stipulation - whatever it is is now a capital crime.
Would you really accept the death penalty rather than pay for your music?
Huh, I must have skipped over that part. Capital punishment, eh? I'm glad I live in a civilized country... Anyway, the situation may require good old rebellion and sedition... so, there.

Oh, and it's not the paying for your music that worries me, but what you can do with it after you paid for it.

if it were something truly DEAR to me, like say...ice cream, i would asses the likelihood of getting caught. after all i can make my own ice cream in the privacy of my own home. therefore id likely take the chance now and then, make some in the middle of the night and eat it all in one sitting. (no different from what i do now)

if some skinny bastard ratted me out, id go peacefully and take my chances with a new mexico jury. considering how difficult it is to get a conviction for MURDER here, i think id have a very good chance of getting off on a charge of illicit icecream eating.