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Government is planning to force Whites to attend school with Blacks/Hispanics (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050218/ap_on_re_us/nebraska_schools_hispanics_1)
... "It bothers you when people come into your town and make comments like `You've got lots of Mexican kids,'" Eisenhauer said. "I feel distressed if they would opt out for that reason."

Once again, the corrupt American government is forcing their sick sociology experiment on America's children. This is going on all over the country. The article starts with an "Eisenhauer" complaining about "segregation." Eerily reminiscent of the criminal president Eisenhower's brutal practices in forcing integration almost half a century ago...

...huh?

No, that wasn't a "huh?" of not understanding what you said, that was a "huh?" of disbelief that someone could believe something that racist in this day and age. My school is a little over 50% african-american and that doesn't bother me at all, whatsoever. Some of my best friends are black, and I dated an african-american girl last year. Your views scare and confuse me, Servus Dei.

Your views scare and confuse me, Servus Dei.

You're not alone. "Troll" is the best word to describe him.

Servus Dei, what's wrong with blacks and Hispanics? I really am curious, and would appreciate if you could enlighten me.

I just don't get it. :rolleyes:

Whites should not be forced to integrate (and have to pay for) the education of non-Whites.

Whites should not be forced to integrate (and have to pay for) the education of non-Whites.
I'm guessing you're a white supremacist then? :rolleyes:

I'm guessing you're a white supremacist then? :rolleyes:

He's a lot of things.

Whites should not be forced to integrate (and have to pay for) the education of non-Whites.

What about black and Hispanic familys? They pay taxes too, thus funding the public school system. Shouldn't they be allowed to attend the schools they want?

here's an analagy:

jesussaves:religion::severus dei:

a) racial intolerance
b) white supremacy
c) rabid xenophobia
d) all of the above


i'll give you a clue: it's the only one with more than three words

Whites should not be forced to integrate (and have to pay for) the education of non-Whites.

I hear banjo music!

What about black and Hispanic familys? They pay taxes too, thus funding the public school system. Shouldn't they be allowed to attend the schools they want?
While immigration problems are another issue, if they are here, then they can attend schools just as Whites do- but Whites shouldn't be forced to attend the same ones. Whites' education should not be subjugated so they can pay for special Spanish classes (without even learning English) and security guards for obvious reasons.

While immigration problems are another issue, if they are here, then they can attend schools just as Whites do- but Whites shouldn't be forced to attend the same ones. Whites' education should not be subjugated so they can pay for special Spanish classes (without even learning English) and security guards for obvious reasons.

Hey!

What's your views on W. Wilson?

While immigration problems are another issue, if they are here, then they can attend schools just as Whites do- but Whites shouldn't be forced to attend the same ones. Whites' education should not be subjugated so they can pay for special Spanish classes (without even learning English) and security guards for obvious reasons.
:confused:

I guess the reasons aren't so obvious, because I don't understand.

I'm all for the "you go to school where you live" philosophy, where race is totally ignored in registration with the school.

If you don't want to go to school with minorities, move to rural Wyoming.

While immigration problems are another issue, if they are here, then they can attend schools just as Whites do- but Whites shouldn't be forced to attend the same ones. Whites' education should not be subjugated so they can pay for special Spanish classes (without even learning English) and security guards for obvious reasons.
ELOHELOHELOHEL.

Hint: It's not a right to be able to pick your own school. I can't.

:confused:

I guess the reasons aren't so obvious, because I don't understand.
Negroes = Crime

Negroes = Crime

Isn't that like saying :

White Catholic Priests = Child rapists?

Avast!

Off The Starboard Bow, Mateys, We've Spotted Another Troll!!!!!



Thar She Blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avast!

Off The Starboard Bow, Mateys, We've Spotted Another Troll!!!!!



Thar She Blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ready the trolling boats and harpoons!

And they want test scores to go up? Not with them spanish mugs...

http://www.elegantfoods.net/graphics/products/efbcookieblackwhite.jpg
America should be like this, just with yellow sprinkles.

Isn't that like saying :

White Catholic Priests = Child rapists?
To be accurate:
Novus Ordo Priests = Homosexual Child rapists

While immigration problems are another issue, if they are here, then they can attend schools just as Whites do- but Whites shouldn't be forced to attend the same ones. Whites' education should not be subjugated so they can pay for special Spanish classes (without even learning English) and security guards for obvious reasons.

So, what you're basically saying is that the government should set up seperate schools for whites, paid for with taxpayer money, many of whom are black, Hispanic, or whatever, and said taxpayers should not be permitted to attend this special schools?

You logic is, well...lacking.

What special Spanish classes? Do you mean ESL? Or classes specifically in Spanish? I'm not sure what you're talking about, so I'll leave this alone for now.

And please explain the 'obvious reasons' for security guards?

Isn't that like saying :

White Catholic Priests = Child rapists?
and Arab=terrorist

Avast!

Off The Starboard Bow, Mateys, We've Spotted Another Troll!!!!!



Thar She Blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arm the stupidpults!

Ready the trolling boats and harpoons!
Oh no! The topic of race came up! It must be trolling, since all the races are all really living happily ever after! :rolleyes:

Negroes = Crime

Oh, all the schools shootings perpetrated by blacks? Those happen like every...never.

So, what you're basically saying is that the government should set up seperate schools for whites, paid for with taxpayer money, many of whom are black, Hispanic, or whatever, and said taxpayers should not be permitted to attend this special schools?

You logic is, well...lacking.

What special Spanish classes? Do you mean ESL? Or classes specifically in Spanish? I'm not sure what you're talking about, so I'll leave this alone for now.

And please explain the 'obvious reasons' for security guards?
he already did, he said, and I quote:

Negroes = Crime

:rolleyes:

and Arab=terrorist
That's quite apparent.

To be accurate:
Novus Ordo Priests = Homosexual Child rapists

Actually the recorded history shows it's been going on for over 50 years.

So the Pre Vat II Priests = Child Rapists.

Oh and an educational point. Homosexuality != Pedophillia.

What's all this about being forced to go to school with a diversified student body? I cant speak for others, but I value diversity as a core to life. Even if you dont like it, you cant live in a bubble forever. And even if you are racist, then i strongly encourage you to leave the ignorant bubble you live in, and look around.

That's quite apparent.
:rolleyes:

Actually the recorded history shows it's been going on for over 50 years.

Novus Ordo priests nonetheless under the Jewsuits...

he already did, he said, and I quote:

Negroes = Crime

I know, but I want to see if he can elaborate or just keep repeating the same thing over and over.

Novus Ordo priests nonetheless under the Jewsuits...
Your ignorance has left me speachless

What's all this about being forced to go to school with a diversified student body? I cant speak for others, but I value diversity as a core to life. Even if you dont like it, you cant live in a bubble forever. And even if you are racist, then i strongly encourage you to leave the ignorant bubble you live in, and look around.

Yeah, but some people have turned their bubbles into hamster balls, and they tend to get around a lot. I used to have roommates with hamsters, and I treat the hamster ball-people much like I did the rest of the rodents.

I know, but I want to see if he can elaborate or just keep repeating the same thing over and over.
The statistics prove it.

Novus Ordo priests nonetheless under the Jewsuits...

Doesn't matter. As a whole the organization protected them and hid them.

Aiding and abetting is a crime.

BTW: You didn't answer the question. Opinion on Woodrow Wilson?

Yeah, but some people have turned their bubbles into hamster balls, and they tend to get around a lot. I used to have roommates with hamsters, and I treat the hamster ball-people much like I did the rest of the rodents.

The only problem with that is that the ball keeps anything from getting in, and the hamsters never get a real sense of their surroundings.

The statistics prove it.

And which ones are those?

FBI Records Prove:

# Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
# Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
# Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
# In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
# Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
# About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
# Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
# On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
# Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
# Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
# Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
# Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
# In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
# In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.

The only problem with that is that the ball keeps anything from getting in, and the hamsters never get a real sense of their surroundings.
I think the more important question is, are we going to have society force people to do what is good for themselves? Because under that arguement, well, that's a dangerous arguement.

Opinion on Woodrow Wilson?
A wicked heretic...

The statistics prove it.

prove what? that "Negro's = Crime"? pfft, if you're going to use that as evidence, at least post the info correctly:

Arrogance = Crime

FBI Records Prove:

# Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
# Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
# Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
# In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
# Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
# About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
# Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
# On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
# Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
# Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
# Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
# Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
# In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
# In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.
And that obviously makes every single black an evil murdering rapist.
:rolleyes:

*SNIP*

You left off that most serial killers tend to be white.

I don't know about pedophillia but if you go by the Church; white.

I think the more important question is, are we going to have society force people to do what is good for themselves? Because under that arguement, well, that's a dangerous arguement.

I never said the government should do anything, im saying that people just need to open their eyes and stop thinking in terms of race, sex, or creed, and start thinking in terms of Humanity.

ELOHELOHELOHEL.

Hint: It's not a right to be able to pick your own school. I can't.

It's a right in Australia... Mind you, we don't get milk/lunch from the government and we have to make our own transport to and from school.:)

Wait, they're trying to force white kids into another school?

People are allowed to be ignorant. If they don't want to let their children to go to a school for any stupid reason, they are perfectly entitled to.

This is completely different than the Black segregation of the 50s because Blacks were not allowed in certain schools. All of these students (hispanics and whites) are allowed in any school they desire, so why can't the parents choose a school for their child, even if it is for incredibly ignorant reasons?

What's next, mandatory foreign exchange students? If people want to live in their small, ignorant world, let them. I'm sick and tired of the government trying to legislate "morals" and social issues.

Government is planning to force Whites to attend school with Blacks/Hispanics (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050218/ap_on_re_us/nebraska_schools_hispanics_1)
... "It bothers you when people come into your town and make comments like `You've got lots of Mexican kids,'" Eisenhauer said. "I feel distressed if they would opt out for that reason."

Once again, the corrupt American government is forcing their sick sociology experiment on America's children. This is going on all over the country. The article starts with an "Eisenhauer" complaining about "segregation." Eerily reminiscent of the criminal president Eisenhower's brutal practices in forcing integration almost half a century ago...
*Canuckheaven* looks at thread, looks at Servus Dei's sig, shakes head in disbelief and leaves.

A wicked heretic...

Hmph. Thought you would like him since he was a white Supremist.

Hmph. Thought you would like him since he was a white Supremist.
He was a Protestant supremist.

did it ever occur to you that the crime rate is naturally higher in denser areas?

and that blacks tend to live in the inner cities?


the fact that crime happens more in cities and that blacks live in the cities are not at all related.

cities in regions not known for racial diversity have higher crime rates than interracial, or even all-black, rural areas.


it would really make me sad to think that the human brain is capable of being missing with such an extent of motor control remaining. that's why i prefer to think that you are a troll

Wait, they're trying to force white kids into another school?

People are allowed to be ignorant. If they don't want to let their children to go to a school for any stupid reason, they are perfectly entitled to.

This is completely different than the Black segregation of the 50s because Blacks were not allowed in certain schools. All of these students (hispanics and whites) are allowed in any school they desire, so why can't the parents choose a school for their child, even if it is for incredibly ignorant reasons?

What's next, mandatory foreign exchange students? If people want to live in their small, ignorant world, let them. I'm sick and tired of the government trying to legislate "morals" and social issues.

Thats not whats happening at all. All thats happening is that the education system has been desegrageted.

FBI Records Prove:

# Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.
# Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
# Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
# In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
# Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
# About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
# Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
# On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
# Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
# Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
# Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
# Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
# In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.
# In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.

And what would be your solution to this "alleged" problem? Let us get a little deeper into what you want to accomplish.

Thats not whats happening at all. All thats happening is that the education system has been desegrageted.
No, the U.S. government is forcing White children to go to school with non-Whites deliberately by re-arranging the school system and closing down predominantly White schools.

Hmph. Thought you would like him since he was a white Supremist.

One has to be the right sort of racist bigoted zealot to satisfy some people, it seems.

Servis' sig = "It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.
Pope Pius IX

My family are Roman Catholic too and so will most of the Hispanic people you are talking about. Read your own sig huh Servis. Might help you notice you contradict yourself!

And what would be your solution to this "alleged" problem? Let us get a little deeper into what you want to accomplish.


"Servant of God" I ask again how to propose to fix the alleged problem?

"Servant of God" I ask again how to propose to fix the alleged problem?
Stay away.

No, the U.S. government is forcing White children to go to school with non-Whites deliberately by re-arranging the school system and closing down predominantly White schools.
"closing down predominantly white schools"?
That's a far stretch from what was actually said. Anywhere.
They'd have to be shutting down most of the schools in my area. If not all, based on what you mean by "predominantly".

No, the U.S. government is forcing White children to go to school with non-Whites deliberately by re-arranging the school system and closing down predominantly White schools.

isnt it possible that the schools wanted this too?

isnt it possible that the schools wanted this too?
So the tax-paying families who pay for any schools to be open are irrelevant?

isnt it possible that it was actually the school district's idea to do this? and even if it was the government's decision, then its being done by an overly religious president whos been bringing creed into the government, so blame your brother.

isnt it possible that it was actually the school district's idea to do this? and even if it was the government's decision, then its being done by an overly religious president whos been bringing creed into the government, so blame your brother.
Which president is this? :confused:

So the tax-paying families who pay for any schools to be open are irrelevant?

no, im saying that your entire arguement is irrelevent. suppose, (that by an extremely huge stretch) that you're right, whats done is done anyway. so even if you were right, the government's made its stand. fortunately, though, youre not. your sense of "White Catholic Sumpremacy" is a condratictory ideal in today's world, considering that a lot of Catholics arent white. Spain and Mexico are examples of "minority" nations that have Catholisism as their national religion.

So the tax-paying families who pay for any schools to be open are irrelevant?

Precisely. Oh, wait, they only count if they're white, isn't that right, S.D.?

Precisely. Oh, wait, they only count if they're white, isn't that right, S.D.?
The others have their schools already.

Which president is this? :confused:

President George W. Bush, the same president who won the election based mainly on religious morals, and the same president who opens every Congress session with a prayer, and the same president who believes that speading his views to the world is a primary goal.

President George W. Bush, the same president who won the election based mainly on religious morals, and the same president who opens every Congress session with a prayer, and the same president who believes that speading his views to the world is a primary goal.
Bush would indeed make a very religious Jew.

Bush would indeed make a very religious Jew.

Are the Jews out attacking boys?

Servus Dei you realize that Pope Pius XI was against racism right?

Bush would indeed make a very religious Jew.
Actually, Jorge Boooooooooooooooo(should I stop here?)ooooooooooooooosh, as you call him, is actually of a Protestant sect

Actually, Jorge Boooooooooooooooo(should I stop here?)ooooooooooooooosh, as you call him, is actually of a Protestant sect
A Zionist Protestant sect

Oh and Servus Dei the Vatican condemned segregation before Vatican II. Several segregationist Catholics in the South were excommunicated for trying to segregate Catholic schools.

Bush would indeed make a very religious Jew.

Just one problem with that.... hes Christian.

Damn it! We're all people, we have the same physical makeup, our genetic coding is almost completely the same! We are Homo Sapiens Sapiens! Not whites, blacks, hispanics, we're all people! Why can't you get that through your thick heads.

Nobody wants Southern-style segregation. Just peace for all. Every thing got screwed up after they forced a temporary end to the glory of the Middle Ages...

Damn it! We're all people, we have the same physical makeup, our genetic coding is almost completely the same! We are Homo Sapiens Sapiens! Not whites, blacks, hispanics, we're all people! Why can't you get that through your thick heads.


As i said earlier, we all need to stop thinking in the terms of race, sex, or creed, and start thinking in the terms of Humanity.

Just one problem with that.... hes Christian.
No... he's Protestant.

No... he's Protestant.

Protestant.... let me guess, you hate him for his religion because he follows a faith that denounced the Catholic church?

No... he's Protestant.

How many Protestants have attacked boys?

Servus, you say that the Bible and everything the Church says must be taken literally, correct?
It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.
So then, if I'm going to perish in this flood, wouldn't something along the lines of a life raft or a life preserver save me? What bout learning how to swim?

As i said earlier, we all need to stop thinking in the terms of race, sex, or creed, and start thinking in the terms of Humanity.

Finally someone who I can agree with.

Protestant.... let me guess, you hate him for his religion because he follows a faith that denounced the Catholic church?
Primarily for his poor leadership skills...

Primarily for his poor leadership skills...

Elaboration? :confused:

Nobody wants Southern-style segregation. Just peace for all. Every thing got screwed up after they forced a temporary end to the glory of the Middle Ages...

Oh yeah, those glorious middle ages. Lots of violence, prejudice, oppression and ignorance. Oh, and catapults. The catapults were nice, I suppose.

Oh yeah, those glorious middle ages. Lots of violence, prejudice, oppression and ignorance. Oh, and catapults. The catapults were nice, I suppose.

Dont forget the Crusades! I'm sure our "friend" here thinks those are glorious...

Elaboration? :confused:
Iraq, "terrorism," etc.

Government is planning to force Whites to attend school with Blacks/Hispanics (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050218/ap_on_re_us/nebraska_schools_hispanics_1)
... "It bothers you when people come into your town and make comments like `You've got lots of Mexican kids,'" Eisenhauer said. "I feel distressed if they would opt out for that reason."

Once again, the corrupt American government is forcing their sick sociology experiment on America's children. This is going on all over the country. The article starts with an "Eisenhauer" complaining about "segregation." Eerily reminiscent of the criminal president Eisenhower's brutal practices in forcing integration almost half a century ago...
"forcing kids of different races to go to school together" is it?
oh dear :rolleyes:
its despicable that parents would want to send their kids to single-race schools in the first place, if i have understood the thread correctly :confused:

As i said earlier, we all need to stop thinking in the terms of race, sex, or creed, and start thinking in the terms of Humanity.
thats more like it :)

Don't forget all the mud and horses and stuff. Oh, and Europe being hugely backward as a whole compared to almost everywhere else in the civilised world.

Iraq, "terrorism," etc.

For once i agree with you, but thats another issue for another day.

Don't forget all the mud and horses and stuff. Oh, and Europe being hugely backward as a whole compared to almost everywhere else in the civilised world.
Europe was the civilized world!

The Middle Ages had one nice thing- the Vassal traditionally threw big parties maybe twice a year. You got to drink much ale. Apart from that.... bad. Unless you were a knight, in which case it was mediocre. Or a king, in which case it was good, in a sub-par sort of way. But if you were a truly free person (bandit, bard, wanderer, [any other person that would be condemned as a raving loony]), you had a very interesting life. And Servesus... keep the circular logic. I like the circular logic. (Apparently, you believe in a God because said God said he exists and this was written down)

I'm not saying the Middle Ages were great, but the first 2 crusades were justified.

Europe was the civilized world!

*Chuckles quietly* Read up on your history, and compare the state of affairs in France and England in the 14th centiury with that existing in China and arabia. If your mind can't cope with being shown that whites aren't inherently superior, I wouldn't be surprised.

*Chuckles quietly* Read up on your history, and compare the state of affairs in France and England in the 14th centiury with that existing in China and arabia. If your mind can't cope with being shown that whites aren't inherently superior, I wouldn't be surprised.
Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.

Servus, why don't you like Bush? He opposes immoral things, like abortion, contraception, homosexuality, ect. He has good morals. Or is it just because he is a Protestant that you don't like him.

Europe was the civilized world!

Actually, the Middle East, the Far East, and to a lesser extent the Italian city states bordering on the Medditerranean were. Until the Rennaissance, Europe was in a major slump, what with the epidemics... the poor standard of living.... the usage of human crap as manure (the human digestive system gives stuff very bad for crops)..... the kings.... yeah... don't forget the bandits.

I) Bush actually does not stand out as being pro-life.

II) He supports granting homosexuals a form of "marriage."

III) He goes to war and lets men die for a whole slew of lies to suit his own interests.

IV) He's a heretic!

Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.

Yea damn those Arabs for giving us the number system.

While China was more civilized than Europe the Middle East was not.

Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.

Indeed. They were even more savage round here, what with the feudal system in much of Europe, perennial wars between kingdoms and duchies, and a culture that was essentially lawless. Note please the respective states of technology, medicine and philosophy at the time in Asia, the Middle East and Europe. This will require you to read and engage your mind. It's fun, honest.

Actually, the Middle East, the Far East, .
Actually, they were barbarian mongrels, not the civilized Europeans.

Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.
are you really racist or just doing this to wind people up?

Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.

Yeah... and Fredrick Barbarosa's war onto Rome was entirely caused but Mongols....

are you really racist or just doing this to wind people up?
I'm not racist. Just pointing out facts...

Servus you still haven't answered my question why do you oppose integration? Pope Pius XI and Pius XII were both in support of integration and excommunicated segregationist Catholics.

Things were pretty violent with those savage mongols and Arabs of course.

The "savage mongols" were leading raids through Russia and then into Europe. The Arabs were going through a golden, relatively unsavage age in which they came up with what those heathens in the mid-early second millenium used to set the Rennaissance in motion. And I wouldn't call the Vikings and their lot (Varyags, etc.) very civilized.

The "savage mongols" were leading raids through Russia and then into Europe. The Arabs were going through a golden, relatively unsavage age in which they came up with what those heathens in the mid-early second millenium used to set the Rennaissance in motion. And I wouldn't call the Vikings and their lot (Varyags, etc.) very civilized.
The Arab Mohammedans were just going around slaughtering Christians and desecrating Holy Sites until the Holy Crusades even attempted to stop their violence.

Servus you still haven't answered my question why do you oppose integration? Pope Pius XI and Pius XII were both in support of integration and excommunicated segregationist Catholics.
The Catholic Church does not have a stance on such issues. As far as American Racism, the Church never endorsed it. The Protestant brought the negro over to help do work as his slave and Catholics had nothing to do with it.

Kindly avoid capitalising abstract nouns. Also, again, I urge you to read, engage what I optimistically call your mind, and perhaps find out that all of your words are utter, complete nonsense based upon supposition and paranoia.

Nobody wants Southern-style segregation. Just peace for all. Every thing got screwed up after they forced a temporary end to the glory of the Middle Ages...

So, is this "glory of the Middle Ages" including the Black Plauge, death from minor diseases, crappy weapons, horrible living conditions, no bathing, and...let's see...oh yeah, public executions, we can't forget those!

ARgghhh, tolerance BAAD

The Arab Mohammedans were just going around slaughtering Christians and desecrating Holy Sites until the Holy Crusades even attempted to stop their violence.

-Buzzer Sound-

I am sorry I have to challenge you on that one.

The Christians living under the Turk wrote that life was actually better. Less corruption then when life was run by the Christians.

Actually, they were barbarian mongrels, not the civilized Europeans.

No no no.... China- Emperor, currency, gun-powder... rockets... an effective road system? Yes.
Arabia- large empire... cool looking swords... architecture... mathematics (including Algebra, based on the writtings of this Arab guy)...? Yes.

Europe- Feudalism (I sure bet you would have liked being a peasant, Servus)... corrupt knights... corrupt lords and kings... bandits.... much warfare... knowledge being stored, but not produced until the Rennaissance (set into motion using Arab ideas)...? Yes.

-Buzzer Sound-

I am sorry I have to challenge you on that one.

The Christians living under the Turk wrote that life was actually better. Less corruption then when life was run by the Christians.
Sorry, incorrect. The Mohammedans had essentially killed off the substantial Christian populations in Holy Cities such as Jerusalem.

I'm not racist. Just pointing out facts...
so, in the middle ages, Europeans weren't savage?
the asian cultures were different from those of europe, but were highly advanced - especially in metallurgy and medicine (as far as i know)...

anyway im not going to get drawn into a 'x race/cultrue was better/worse than y' load of toss. the important fact to realise is that whatever your opinion of certain racial minorities' historical culture, this does not in any way reflect either the culture today, nor does it reflect in any way upon the individuals of that race. simply put, you may believe that certain cultures were once 'savage', but they are not anymore, and the individuals decended from that culture - living in the USA or wherever - are no more 'savage' than you or i. this is a ridiculous generalisation to make imo.

why are you guys harking back a time when the world was ruled by the sword? Be thankful we live in a society where when people open assault people like Servus ( and they will cos no one with views like yours gets away with it) will be jailed. See in this world justice is not just for one person. It is for all because we live in a society of equals.

-Buzzer Sound-

I am sorry I have to challenge you on that one.

The Christians living under the Turk wrote that life was actually better. Less corruption then when life was run by the Christians.

The Turkish were barbarians, Servus Dei was actually right about that. They banned pilgrims from Jerusalem, burned down the Church of the Holy Sepelcure, and looted and massacred Constantinople.

This thread is about today and the future anyway...

The Arab Mohammedans were just going around slaughtering Christians and desecrating Holy Sites until the Holy Crusades even attempted to stop their violence.

Thats interesting.... considering that it was Catholics who launched the war against the Arab peoples of Iberia....

Thats interesting.... considering that it was Catholics who launched the war against the Arab peoples of Iberia....
What? :rolleyes:
I never heard of such a story.

Anyway thank God for the Reconquista!

Servus do you honestly think Jesus would go around burning people at the stake? Or attacking other countries? No, of course not. Yes, I am a very conservative Catholic but I realize the Church, while founded by Jesus, is not perfect and has made errors that need to be noticed. Even Pope St. Peter the Rock sinned, denying the Lord 3 times. The Catholic Church is not perfect, but the Lord is with it still. You don't have to defend the bad things it did like the Inquisition and selling of indulgences to love it.

Don't defame the Holy Inquisition.

Servus do you honestly think Jesus would go around burning people at the stake? Or attacking other countries? No, of course not. Yes, I am a very conservative Catholic but I realize the Church, while founded by Jesus, is not perfect and has made errors that need to be noticed. Even Pope St. Peter the Rock sinned, denying the Lord 3 times. The Catholic Church is not perfect, but the Lord is with it still. You don't have to defend the bad things it did like the Inquisition and selling of indulgences to love it.
Jesus went around tapping the sick and saving souls, burning folks was not on his agenda

Don't defame the Holy Inquisition.
Me: Gee, I didn't expect the spanish inquisition...

Cardinal Ximinez: Noooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Cardinal Ximinez: "BIGGLES! PUT HER IN THER COMFY CHAIR!"

**Dramatic chord**

Ximinez: "Now! You will stay in the comfy chair until lunchtime, with only a cup of coffee at eleven!"

Arabic peoples of the era immediately preceding the Crusades were generally more civilized than Europeans. Turks were not. The various Turks were roving bands of murderours, backstabbing mercenaries that eventually got their claws into the imperial game. Another important note, Arabic learning originates in the same people as European learning, the Greeks.

Don't defame the Holy Inquisition.

The "Holy" Inquisition was a disgrace to the name of Christ.

God save the Inquisition!

God save the Inquisition!

Tell me, would Jesus burn people alive?

I'm not racist. Just pointing out facts...
Nationality of Popes

Of the 264 popes (262 to be exact because Pope Benedict IX, during the dreadful medieval fights between popes and anti-popes, was elected three times) 205 were Italians, (of whom 106 were Romans), and 57 foreigners; comprised of 19 Frenchmen, 14 Greeks, 8 Syrians, 5 Germans, 3 Africans, 2 Spaniards, 1 Austrian, 1 Palestinian, 1 Englishman, 1 Dutchman, and 1 Pole.

yep, if anything clears it up, this does.

he's a troll.


btw, has anyone seen jesussaves lately?

my multiple-account sense is tingling.

Tell me, would Jesus burn people alive?
The Holy Inquisition did not burn people alive. The Catholic Church never did. Some secular Spanish authorities did in the Spanish Inquisition...

Nationality of Popes

Of the 264 popes (262 to be exact because Pope Benedict IX, during the dreadful medieval fights between popes and anti-popes, was elected three times) 205 were Italians, (of whom 106 were Romans), and 57 foreigners; comprised of 19 Frenchmen, 14 Greeks, 8 Syrians, 5 Germans, 3 Africans, 2 Spaniards, 1 Austrian, 1 Palestinian, 1 Englishman, 1 Dutchman, and 1 Pole.
What's your point?

Okay, I'm obviously clueless as to why having blacks and hispanics in school with whites would be wrong. So clue me in. Please. My school is about split. And I'm even half black. I seriously don't know what went wrong. America was doing so good. Not being racist and all...

Okay, I'm obviously clueless as to why having blacks and hispanics in school with whites would be wrong. So clue me in. Please. My school is about split. And I'm even half black. I seriously don't know what went wrong. America was doing so good. Not being racist and all...
The educational environment for Whites is degraded.

Obviously someone has a very warped sense of history. Yeah slavery ended nearly 150 years ago, but segregation had huge economic consequences. One of the major goals of the civil rights movement was for blacks to take control of the economy of their sections of the city, which I might add had been vacated by whites due to something called white flight.

P.S. For much more information on the topic. Search Malcolm X's Ballot or the Bullet Speech it is an eye opener. As well you chose to make your comment the day after the 41st anniversary of Malcolm X's death.

The educational environment for Whites is degraded.



Whites degrade it themselves and I can say that being white and being in a school full of whites.

Whites degrade it themselves and I can say that being white and being in a school full of whites.
Oh? :confused: So Whites are the problem now? :rolleyes:

Well, my high school is where they send all th problem kids, ESL students, and mentally handicapped students, it is very annoying to be in class with kids who do not know how to speak english and teachers who are not trained to deal with something like this. I am getting a B in my Gym Class, my Gym Class! The reason is because many of these ESL students come from countries where basketball, football, volleyball, etc. are never played, in class we have to try and pass the ball in b-ball, everyone is supposed to take one shot minimum per game, I try to get everyone a chance to get a shot but some refuse to take the shot while others will just travel and double dribble, the teacher says I do not try hard enough and so my grade suffers (like hell I don't try enough, I tore a tendon in my knee, that is how hard I was trying). I can understand why many of these "whites" would want to get out of the city schools where many of the kids speak little to no english, teachers have to go at the pace of the slowest student, this means that when their are a couple of ESL students in one class the majority of the class' (english speaking, not white) education suffers because they are constantly held up. I think that their should be school built specifically for ESL students, that way the majority are not held back. This is less of a race issue and more of a language barrier, it is just a coincidince of sorts that the english speaking kids are all white. But when 1/3 of the school is in an ESL program I can understand why the families that can would try to get their kids out of those schools.

The Holy Inquisition did not burn people alive. The Catholic Church never did. Some secular Spanish authorities did in the Spanish Inquisition...

St. Joan of Arc? Face it, we all accept the Inquisition did wrong.

Oh? :confused: So Whites are the problem now? :rolleyes:




Believe me, whites are not perfect, angelic human beings who are some how superior to blacks and hispanics.

Nationality of Popes

Of the 264 popes (262 to be exact because Pope Benedict IX, during the dreadful medieval fights between popes and anti-popes, was elected three times) 205 were Italians, (of whom 106 were Romans), and 57 foreigners; comprised of 19 Frenchmen, 14 Greeks, 8 Syrians, 5 Germans, 3 Africans, 2 Spaniards, 1 Austrian, 1 Palestinian, 1 Englishman, 1 Dutchman, and 1 Pole.

Where did you get these numbers? I coud have sworn there were more Spaniards (although to be fair, at the moment I can only remember the one Spanish pope, Rodrigo Borgias). And, point of curiousity, was your point that the Catholic Church is (because most popes were Italian) or is not (because of the non-Italians) racist?

St. Joan of Arc? Face it, we all accept the Inquisition did wrong.
Her situation was really not related to the Inquisition...

Where did you get these numbers? I coud have sworn there were more Spaniards (although to be fair, at the moment I can only remember the one Spanish pope, Rodrigo Borgias). And, point of curiousity, was your point that the Catholic Church is (because most popes were Italian) or is not (because of the non-Italians) racist?
Point being that it is equal opportunity or at least not racist. That web site is:

http://www.popechart.com/facts.htm

Servus Dei appears to forsake his religion on basis of racial inequality?

Her situation was really not related to the Inquisition...

Explain. They burned her.

She was burned by Catholics, yes, but not as part of the Spanish Inquisition. Religion really only enters in about her because it was a pretext to eliminate an enemy. Specifically, killing her eliminates the enemy, but does not solve the problem. Instead, it creates more problems through martyrdom. However, if it is established that she was killed for heresy, martyrdom becomes a more remote possibility.

And to CanuckHeaven, thanks for the site.

Point being that it is equal opportunity or at least not racist. That web site is:

http://www.popechart.com/facts.htm

Servus Dei appears to forsake his religion on basis of racial inequality?

Your statements prove what?

Your statements prove what?

Since he is offline and I am bored, here we go. His statements are formed to prove that the papacy, the head of Catholicism does not conform to a single racial stock, thus undermining the position of Catholic racism. The problem lies in that to effectively attack your position, you need to clearly lay it out. All that is clear is that you (or at least the persona you are presenting) are opposed to race-based redistricting. It seems apparent that this is due to a fair dose of traditional Catholic/Racist zeal, but your throwing out other arguments, whose validity I don't feel like commenting on, puts some doubt on the matter. Personally, I believe that if you are what you claim to be (which I have my reasons to doubt), the greatest attack that can be levelled is to ask you to remember the Ethiopian of the New Testament.

Since he is offline and I am bored, here we go. His statements are formed to prove that the papacy, the head of Catholicism does not conform to a single racial stock, thus undermining the position of Catholic racism. The problem lies in that to effectively attack your position, you need to clearly lay it out. All that is clear is that you (or at least the persona you are presenting) are opposed to race-based redistricting. It seems apparent that this is due to a fair dose of traditional Catholic/Racist zeal, but your throwing out other arguments, whose validity I don't feel like commenting on, puts some doubt on the matter. Personally, I believe that if you are what you claim to be (which I have my reasons to doubt), the greatest attack that can be levelled is to ask you to remember the Ethiopian of the New Testament.
Ethnic diversity in the papacy really doesn't prove much...

Ethnic diversity in the papacy really doesn't prove much...

A stunning response. Absolutely stunning. Sure to silence your opponents. :rolleyes: :headbang:

How so?

And what do you say about the rest of his post?

Europe was the civilized world!
This is where history disagress with you. the medeivel period was a time of lost knowledge. THe ancient ways were forgoten and it took nearly 800 years for the whole of Europe to get back on the right track. Another name for this tiem period is the "Dark Ages". This period ended with the renaissance which started coincidentally in Italy ( home base of the Catholic church)

While Europe had its dark age Asia Minor(the middle east) was goign through its golden age. This is when great thigns like Algebra and Geometry were created by the people indeginous to this region (IN your narrow view "terrorists" all) .

The far east was more developed than Europe at this time over a thousand years prior and by then was more than capable of descimating anything the West coudl have offered as a defense. Ghengis Khan the Mongolian still holds the world record for largest empire to date.

SO no Europe in those backwards times was not civilized by any standard.

OH i forgot to mention the great civilizations of Africa and NOrth AMerica which were both superior in this period as well.

St. Joan of Arc? Face it, we all accept the Inquisition did wrong.
i do not agree with the post originator on any other point ( accept maybe the Bush is mistaken thing) but i do need to correct you here. the inquisition had nothing to do with Joan of Arc.

However on your assertion that Tomas de Torquemada and company were wrong woudl be at the very least an understatement. The inquisition continued officially in spane until the 19th century ( a little known side fact i thought i woudl throw in there)

Thats interesting.... considering that it was Catholics who launched the war against the Arab peoples of Iberia....
another interesting fact is that it was the Catholics and not the Muslims who were responsible for the fall of Bynzantium. The Knights Templars crippled Constantinople when the sacked it for loot and treasure. After being welcomed in after their hard toils in the near east.

I) Bush actually does not stand out as being pro-life.

II) He supports granting homosexuals a form of "marriage."

III) He goes to war and lets men die for a whole slew of lies to suit his own interests.

IV) He's a heretic!

Wow, yay, I agree with the troll on I) and III)! Yay!

Ethnic diversity in the papacy really doesn't prove much...
Actually it proves a lot. By the comments that you have made on this thread, you appear to be in conflict with the hierarchy of your church (Roman Catholic), and that you are also in conflict with the Bible itself.

May Satan swalow all of your souls. Praise be to Lucifer our merciful destroyer. Just playing around but I do find it very interesting that people can beleive in somethign so strongly they let it blind them so much.

May Satan swalow all of your souls. Praise be to Lucifer our merciful destroyer. Just playing around but I do find it very interesting that people can beleive in somethign so strongly they let it blind them so much.
I just find it fascinating that someone can focus so strongly on another person's ethnic background or native language that they forget that person is also human.

I just find it fascinating that someone can focus so strongly on another person's ethnic background or native language that they forget that person is also human.Ah, but it's so much easier to hate, persecute and kill someone if you don't consider them human.

How miserably true.

I've always thought of others as 'people' first - culture and ethnic background only come into play with things like family gatherings and festivals.