NationStates Jolt Archive

Graph kinda shows it all. Even if it's from a conservative site, he has the reference to his data.

Arm sales to Iraq (http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/bureau/000113.html)

The data source he's using is SIPRI.

That's on the verge of unimpeachable.

this reputable source disagrees (www.gregoryandrus.com/iraqwmd.html)

I sold the weapons to saddam. and I stole the Jack Ruby too hahahahahaahahaha

this reputable source disagrees (www.gregoryandrus.com/iraqwmd.html)

Here is the direct link to his source. You decide if it's reputable or not.

SIPRI (http://web.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/atirq_data.html)

Ok, we've established that Iraq was armed by the Soviet Union and France. Now what?

Funny that those that armed him were the same that opposed the war. Maybe the realised that if Saddam did poorly against US arms that they couldnt sell anymore. But yet Iran and Venezuela and N Korea are all buying from the same idoits. Yes I said Venezuela<---- the new hotspot.

this reputable source disagrees (www.gregoryandrus.com/iraqwmd.html)
I don't think the US made all those T-72 tanks.

Reputable or not, here is the disclaimer from that website:

"When using SIPRI data for arms transfers made to Iraq after 1990, the following points should be taken into account:

a] Although the SIPRI Arms Transfers Project has monitored reports of transfers of major conventional weapons to Iraq since 1990, none of these reports have been sufficiently well documented to confirm a transfer has taken place.

b] The SIPRI Arms Transfers Project only reports transfers of complete major conventional weapon systems. Thus, reports that indicate Iraq has obtained parts of a given weapon system, even if confirmed, would not be registered as a transfer."

Leaving some things out are we? This list only contained complete major arms transfers, and after 1990 the arms transfers were not confirmed.

Oops, you left out major details that place your argument in grave danger of being totally irrelevant! Better luck next time; this graph you gave us only shows a tiny fraction of arms sales.

Besides, I don't understand much of you point as is, so what if Russia was the one who sold Iraq its conventional arms systems; Russia sold a LOT of conventional weapons, especially during the cold war.

Reputable or not, here is the disclaimer from that website:

"When using SIPRI data for arms transfers made to Iraq after 1990, the following points should be taken into account:

a] Although the SIPRI Arms Transfers Project has monitored reports of transfers of major conventional weapons to Iraq since 1990, none of these reports have been sufficiently well documented to confirm a transfer has taken place.

b] The SIPRI Arms Transfers Project only reports transfers of complete major conventional weapon systems. Thus, reports that indicate Iraq has obtained parts of a given weapon system, even if confirmed, would not be registered as a transfer."

Leaving some things out are we? This list only contained complete major arms transfers, and after 1990 the arms transfers were not confirmed.

Oops, you left out major details that place your argument in grave danger of being totally irrelevant! Better luck next time; this graph you gave us only shows a tiny fraction of arms sales.

Besides, I don't understand much of you point as is, so what if Russia was the one who sold Iraq its conventional arms systems; Russia sold a LOT of conventional weapons, especially during the cold war.

And there's nothing wrong with selling conventional weapons. Let's take a looksie at those non-conventional weapon sales, shall we?

Hmm...these are only for conventional weapons. I'll double-check to see how many of these sales were made BEFORE the Gulf War (if they say so in the fact sheet).

Anyone got stats for the WMD-related material he obtained from whomever?

Check chemical weapon sales. Thats a little more skewed in the United States' favor.

Check chemical weapon sales. Thats a little more skewed in the United States' favor.

How else do you think we knew he had WMD?! We sold him all that crap so he could fight Iran.

I don't think the US made all those T-72 tanks.


holy shit, i didn't think you'd actually take it seriously.

i wrote that up in a minute and uploaded it to my website.

i'm making the point that anyone can post anything on the internet, and i've never heard of that site or the site that he got his information from, so i am simply being cautious about who i get my information from.

to me, he is no more believable than my fake statistics would (or should) be to anyone else.

Bah!... why are people argueing this... there obvisously going to be using used soviet stuff

And there's nothing wrong with selling conventional weapons. Let's take a looksie at those non-conventional weapon sales, shall we?

Unconventional weapons are fun. Especially marshmellows.

Bah!... why are people argueing this... there obvisously going to be using used soviet stuff
*idly wonders how long those French MBT's held up*

Check chemical weapon sales. Thats a little more skewed in the United States' favor.


Actually the chemical weapons were supplied by Singapore, Netherlands, Egypt, India, Germany, Luxembourg, and Brazil.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/nyt-041303.gif


As for Iraq's biological weapons, anthrax was obtained via their University, which was given test samples from numerous countries(the US being one of them). The Iraqi government sent it's top scientists to Winchester, UK to learn how to make these samples into a weapon.