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Im talking about non-gays keep in mind. No offence, its just they are more like females. This includes young men. ages 13 and up.

You have a serious problem.

No, they should keep it inside and cut themselfs instead.[/sarcasm]

Why not? I can't really see them not doing it making much sense.

are you insane man!!! Noooooooooo! For godssake nooooooooo!

Im talking about non-gays keep in mind. No offence, its just they are more like females. This includes young men. ages 13 and up.
men should talk about their feelings if they want anybody to give a shit about their feelings. if they are okay with nobody caring what they think or what they want, then they can remain silent.

You have a serious problem.

Why?

Whoa, we already have 4 "no" votes!
:eek:

Im talking about non-gays keep in mind. No offence, its just they are more like females. This includes young men. ages 13 and up.
Of course not, men should repress all feelings. They should be let out only in socially acceptable outlets like binge drinking, monster truck rallys, and war.

I for one dont think they should.

its just they are more like females

I know you mean 'no offense' by that, but geez. Not every gay guy acts like a girl.

I for one dont think they should.
Why not?

mmmmmm, sweet war.

Im talking about non-gays keep in mind. No offence, its just they are more like females.
Someone's pretty far back in that closet there.

And of course men should express their feelings. It's not good to keep things bottled up and through discussion, resolution is possible.

I know you mean 'no offense' by the but geez. Not every gay guy acts like a girl.
Pssh what are you talking about girlfriend?


Yeah seriously though, being gay has nothing to do with expressing emotion. Its mostly about being attracted to guys.

I know you mean 'no offense' by the but geez. Not every gay guy acts like a girl.

I know, I have gay friends. Its just too confusing how to catagorize them.

No, of course not. Clearly the appropriate action for men in dealing with their feelings is to bottle them up inside until they explode in a murderous rage and either viciously beat their spouse or go on a three-state killing spree. Clearly.

keeping everything all bottled up certainly isn't doing me any good, so I'd say guys should be more open about their feelings, especially before it becomes ingrained. What starts off as a little thing just grows and grows if you can't vent it.

I know, I have gay friends. Its just too confusing how to catagorize them.Yeah, it's easier to just put labels on everything.

"No, of course not. Clearly the appropriate action for men in dealing with their feelings is to bottle them up inside until they explode in a murderous rage and either viciously beat their spouse or go on a three-state killing spree. Clearly."

That is a good response. You win cookie.

I know, I have gay friends. Its just too confusing how to catagorize them.
You could try *not* categorizing people based on arbitrary similarities. Gay people have one thing in common; nothing more, nothing less.

Feelings?

You mean like, outrage?

In that case, I share my feelings regarding hockey, and that's about it.

Obviously men should never talk about their feelings. Talking about emotions is what women do with each other.

If a man talks about his emotions with another man, he'll start acting like a woman and becoming gay is the very obvious next step.

It's also obvious that gay men all act like women. There is NO way that a tough, rugged man's man would ever think about sex with another man - particularly on those long camping trips he takes with his buddies where they go out into the wilderness for weeks on end with no contact at all with women.

[/sarcasm]

Complete hijack here... but I've always found it amusing that certain activities or occupations are considered "gay" and others not. Dancing, for instance, is often considered less than manly - no idea why... I mean there you are surrounded by a truckload of women in skimpy clothes.

Yet playing a tough sport where no women are present and you all go and hang out in a communal shower afterwards is "manly" and not at all gay.

Go figure hey?

"No, of course not. Clearly the appropriate action for men in dealing with their feelings is to bottle them up inside until they explode in a murderous rage and either viciously beat their spouse or go on a three-state killing spree. Clearly."

That is a good response. You win cookie.

I'd tell you how happy I am to recieve this cookie, but I am a guy and we don't talk about our feelings.

No, they should keep it inside and cut themselfs instead.[/sarcasm]
I agree. It's not like they have anything important to say, anyway. [/sarcasm]

Why not?

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas.

Aw, that's kind of a downer. Well, I hope we can still be fr-

OH SHIT, I'M GAY NOW!

Sure, guys should talk about their feelings. But let's not cross that fine line between talking about them and whining about them. For males or females.

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas.

But here you are, expressing such feelings as pity and nostalgia. How ironicly contradictory.

Yeah, it's easier to just put labels on everything.

I dont label people. But Im not a liberal who thinks everyone should be equal, I enjoy celebrating differences.

Aw, that's kind of a downer. Well, I hope we can still be fr-

OH SHIT, I'M GAY NOW!
Too late, Dude. Existence precedes consciousness. :)

But here you are, expressing such feelings as pity and nostalgia. How ironicly contradictory.

Those arent feelings. If you count those as feelings than that is just weird.

I count feelings as talking about marriage, crying that kind of thing. Its fine to say "I just know I am going to get dumped." Or "It looks like we are going to get a divorce." But I dont believe all feelings should be discussed.

Thats why I respect Mexicans.

I dont label people. But Im not a liberal who thinks everyone should be equal, I enjoy celebrating differences.

You define bigot.

Complete hijack here... but I've always found it amusing that certain activities or occupations are considered "gay" and others not. Dancing, for instance, is often considered less than manly - no idea why... I mean there you are surrounded by a truckload of women in skimpy clothes.

Yet playing a tough sport where no women are present and you all go and hang out in a communal shower afterwards is "manly" and not at all gay.

Go figure hey?
related hijack:

women like men who are more verbal, and prefer men who are more willing to talk about their feelings. yet "traditional" manly men insist on bottling up feelings and acting like 5 year olds by throwing tantrums when they want to express themselves...choices which decrease their attractiveness to WOMEN, but have been shown to be effective posturing for impressing other MEN.

so manly straight men are the ones turning off the women while trying to impress other men. go figure.

Obviously men should never talk about their feelings. Talking about emotions is what women do with each other.

If a man talks about his emotions with another man, he'll start acting like a woman and becoming gay is the very obvious next step.

It's also obvious that gay men all act like women. There is NO way that a tough, rugged man's man would ever think about sex with another man - particularly on those long camping trips he takes with his buddies where they go out into the wilderness for weeks on end with no contact at all with women.

[/sarcasm]

Complete hijack here... but I've always found it amusing that certain activities or occupations are considered "gay" and others not. Dancing, for instance, is often considered less than manly - no idea why... I mean there you are surrounded by a truckload of women in skimpy clothes.

Yet playing a tough sport where no women are present and you all go and hang out in a communal shower afterwards is "manly" and not at all gay.

Go figure hey?

Could you not write sarcasm, its pretty obvious you are being sarcastic.

Yeah seriously though, being gay has nothing to do with expressing emotion. Its mostly about being attracted to guys.
Really? I thought it was about the good fashoin sense.

Those arent feelings. If you count those as feelings than that is just weird.

What are they, then, Merriam Webster?

Those arent feelings. If you count those as feelings than that is just weird.
no, honey, that is just the dictionary.

pity is an emotion. nostalgia is an emotion. try looking them up.

Those arent feelings. If you count those as feelings than that is just weird.
Yeah, 'cuz it's not like feeling pity is a feeling.... :rolleyes:

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas.

Actually you sound both racist and somewhat misogynistic. Perhaps you're not but it is the impression you give via your posts.

The world is no more or less screwed up now as it was back in the 50's (I'm guessing that this is roughly the period you wish you were in)... all that has happened is that our reporting methods are getting better and gender stereotyping (men work, women stay home type stuff) is no longer considered normal.

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity....

You were saying?

Really? I thought it was about the good fashoin sense.
I said mostly! Of course it has to do with fashion sense, no point in even saying that.

It's unhealthy mentaly and physicaly for either gender to keep emotions inside.

I really hate the stereotype of men needing to be stoic in order to be men. Personaly, I think it takes a real man to spill his guts and cry every now and then.

First of all, I didn't see any bisexual option(s). Second of all some emotions can seem irrational. Excuse me cause irrational behavior

Actually you sound both racist and somewhat misogynistic. Perhaps you're not but it is the impression you give via your posts.

The world is no more or less screwed up now as it was back in the 50's (I'm guessing that this is roughly the period you wish you were in)... all that has happened is that our reporting methods are getting better and gender stereotyping (men work, women stay home type stuff) is no longer considered normal.

Actually 50's is about right, but Im thinking from 50's down to earlier times like the 1910's and later to the 1950's.

Could you not write sarcasm, its pretty obvious you are being sarcastic.

Thanks, I was hoping the sarcasm would be apparent.

However I've learnt the hard way that posting sarcasm in a forum can backfire when a whole bunch of people didn't grasp it because of the lack of visual/auditory clues.

So I play safe these days by adding the [/sarcasm] tag which admittedly defeats the purpose a little but saves work in the long run.

You were saying?

Ok, yeah, you got me their.

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas.
I can hardly tell if you're serious, or just amusing yourself. ah well

The reason things seemed better back then was because no one talked about the bad things that were going on. Wives didn't talk about how their husbands beat them, and girls didn't get pregnant in highschool they just got a new brother or sister mysteriously. Things were just as screwed out back then, people were just better at pretending they weren't.

picked wrong one doh! :(

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Excuse me?!

May your life be filled with nothing but women who insist working so that oyu may die a lonely miserable old man because you wanted to be old fashoined and oppressive and feel all big and important because you're the one bringing home the bacon.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.
then*

And how do you know (that men didn't say what the felt or for that matter, that things were less screwed up)

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part)

Funny how there are more people in asia than there ever were in europe. I'm sure that caucasians are the minority world wide. If you're talking strictly about america, then stop saying that the world got worse...

I don't mind discussing my feelings.

However there is a chance I would degenerate into a state of extreme cynicism.

Actually 50's is about right, but Im thinking from 50's down to earlier times like the 1910's and later to the 1950's.

A time that pretty well sucked if you weren't a straight white man. But only we lesser beings would care about that stuff. Yeah, I want to go back to a time when divorcees were considered sluts, regardless of the reason for the divorce. When it was legal for a man to rape his wife. When blacks sat at the back of the bus. No problem. :headbang:

"However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas"
That is racist. And could you explain how the hell that made society collapse, if it did?

I dont label people. But Im not a liberal who thinks everyone should be equal, I enjoy celebrating differences.
How's this: I'm a liberal and I do notice differences, I just don't give a shit. Oh, this guy's black, this girl's a dyke... big deal.

One man's sarcasm is another man's trolling.

A time that pretty well sucked if you weren't a straight white man. But only we lesser beings would care about that stuff. Yeah, I want to go back to a time when divorcees were considered sluts, regardless of the reason for the divorce. When it was legal for a man to rape his wife. When blacks sat at the back of the bus. No problem. :headbang:
I think he would prefer the time when black people used to have to call white people "masta"

Either that or back when cavemen dragged their brides by the hair.

Excuse me?!

May your life be filled with nothing but women who insist working so that oyu may die a lonely miserable old man because you wanted to be old fashoined and oppressive and feel all big and important because you're the one bringing home the bacon.


then*

And how do you know (that men didn't say what the felt or for that matter, that things were less screwed up)



Funny how there are more people in asia than there ever were in europe. I'm sure that caucasians are the minority world wide. If you're talking strictly about america, then stop saying that the world got worse...

Dude, I specifically warned you that I am a weird case that has no logic backing up the post in which you are quoting.

Seriously, I am really screwed up I think that society has collapsed because a baseball team changed cities.

Mister/Herr/Senor 12345543211, do you not doubt the fact that your are sexist and rascist?

Because I look back onto a time where women stayed at home and did house work and men went to work. And I feel pity... for ourselves nowadays.

Oh but the point is, things seemed better than. And back than men didnt really talk about their feelings as much. And back than the world wasnt as screwed up.

However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas.

omg lol I hope youa re kidding!

if not then I feel pity too... for you. Are you really that insecure? Are you worried that you have to compete with women in the workplace or something?

How can you say that in increase in minorities is what is screwing the world up and yet say that you are not racist? explain.

Back when wasnt the world screwed up? I have never known a time when society didnt have its major problems. What tiem are you referring to. Please give examples of hwo teh world was better then and how it is worse now.

I'm genuinely curious as to how you could come up with these conclusions and I would liek to know what country youa re from and your age please.

"However Im a pretty weird case. I think society has collapsed because minority population has increased (even though Im not rascist which is the weird part) and the Dodgers moved to Las Angelas"
That is racist. And could you explain how the hell that made society collapse, if it did?

I really have no reason to back it up, even I know it is bs, its just the way I think. Seriously, even I think that its bs to think that the world is dying because of a moving baseball team.

omg lol I hope youa re kidding!

if not then I feel pity too... for you. Are you really that insecure? Are you worried that you have to compete with women in the workplace or something?

How can you say that in increase in minorities is what is screwing the world up and yet say that you are not racist? explain.

Back when wasnt the world screwed up? I have never known a time when society didnt have its major problems. What tiem are you referring to. Please give examples of hwo teh world was better then and how it is worse now.

I'm genuinely curious as to how you could come up with these conclusions and I would liek to know what country youa re from and your age please.

No, I have my reasons. I just ask you please to ignore them and to ignore my post that you quoted because it is all backed by supersticion. I dont know why I think men should hide their feelings. I just do.

I really have no reason to back it up, even I know it is bs, its just the way I think. Seriously, even I think that its bs to think that the world is dying because of a moving baseball team.
Then why would you try to convince us of something that even you don't truly believe?

i think men should, but i don't cos i'm crap :(

12345543211, which is one of the shittiest names I've ever seen and my nation is named after poo....that's all I have to say.

cos i'm crap

Aw, don't feel bad about yourself man! This 1122.. whatever guy should feel bad right now.

Oh I forgot, he shouldn't have or share feelings.

No, I have my reasons. I just ask you please to ignore them and to ignore my post that you quoted because it is all backed by supersticion. I dont know why I think men should hide their feelings. I just do.

So do you make all your opinions/decisions as baselessly? If you have absolutely no logic behind any of these, why don't you just decide - aw hell, what's the use if you never try to make sense of anything? :headbang:

Aw, don't feel bad about yourself man! This 1122.. whatever guy should feel bad right now.

Oh I forgot, he shouldn't have or share feelings.
yeah i suppose the "cos i'm crap" bit gives weight to the idea that hiding/supressing feelings leads to bad things... :(

I for one dont think they should.
i fyou can't tell a woman how you feel about her, than you ain't much of a man. just an example.

No, I have my reasons. I just ask you please to ignore them and to ignore my post that you quoted because it is all backed by supersticion. I dont know why I think men should hide their feelings. I just do.

well why dont you base yoru opinions on what makes sense to you?

I'd originally crafted a much longer response but it appears Jolt has a timeout feature on these forums... I fail to understand why but as a result my original post is lost to the ether.

Basically, to sum up my post - don't believe the movies you see from the 50's and before. They display a glamorised version and basically utterly false concept of the "happy family". Go do some research on the famous actors of the time - many were alcoholics or drug abusers, often on the edge of a complete breakdown. Even more amusing is that some of the "manly men" male leads were actually gay.

Just because the popular media depicted those times as "simpler living" they most definitely weren't.

I think everyone should be honest about how they feel. If you bottle things up inside you will just explode later on and make things worse. Human beings aren't mind readers. If you want someone to know what is going on with you, tell them.

I hate how being emotional is being feminine:P

(ack fell asleep while posting)

I talk to guys about how they feel...its beeter them bottling it up then taking razor blades

I think it takes a stronger man to express his feelings than one who holds them inside. A man who is afraid to show emotion is usually worried that he wont look "manly" in others eyes. The man who is confident in himself doesnt care what people think about him showing his emotion.

Im talking about non-gays keep in mind. No offence, its just they are more like females. This includes young men. ages 13 and up.


Why shouldn't we? What good is it for us fellas if we just keep everything sealed away? Our relationships with our friends and girlfriends would be a hell of a lot better off, I can tell you that much.

Mr. Wizard

i think men should, but i don't cos i'm crap :(


No you're not man. You're alright by me, and that's sayin' alot alright?

um.... yes...

Why is that even a question? :p

I think they should, but not about EVERY little thing. Guys who are TOO mushy are kind of a turn-off. At least to me anyway.

I voted no, even though we probably should. I persionally just find it easier to bottle stuff up inside and not let any one know about it =)

We discuss our feelings frequently don't we?

Like I was sitting with my buddies at the cafe this afternoon, and saw this damn friggin hot chick walk past by... I told my friends.. "Man.. look at that chick.. I'm so horny I wanna f-ck her upside down"..

But really.. what kind of feelings are you talking about? Their problems? Usually I do talk with friends about my problems, but if your talking about emotions..

IMO, guys aren't very emotional on many levels, I think it's just the way it is. Reading somewhere, Guys supposedly use their inner part of the brain where the instincts more, while girls use their outer part of the brain more. Or something like that, hence they talk alot more, and tend to get more emotional.

Well. I voted that we should discuss feelings, however I will be the first to admit that I very rarely live up to that ideal.

What an odd poster this 12345 kid is. Mind you, you can spot hes a bigot from twenty paces. The statements "Oh im not racist/sexist BUT... make a prejudiced person stick out like a sore thumb.

ALL gays are feminine, and ALL men dont talk about thier problems? Part of the world(america) being screwed up is attributed to rising minorities? Um, im calling bullshit on that one.

Its probably good he thinks men shouldnt share thier feelings if this is the sort of thing he comes out with.

What an odd poster this 12345 kid is. Mind you, you can spot hes a bigot from twenty paces. The statements "Oh im not racist/sexist BUT... make a prejudiced person stick out like a sore thumb.

ALL gays are feminine, and ALL men dont talk about thier problems? Part of the world(america) being screwed up is attributed to rising minorities? Um, im calling bullshit on that one.

Its probably good he thinks men shouldnt share thier feelings if this is the sort of thing he comes out with.

Of course, if you're talking about minorities on a global scale then his statement about those damn minorities screwing up the US is fairly accurate.

I'm sure I don't have to spell out which minority I'm talking about.