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Are you afraid when planes fly over your house? Are you worried another Holocaust could occur?

These are some worries of mine. Just wanted to know if others share them, too.

Nope, not worried at all, but then again my country didn't do any thing to piss them off. ;)

I think we may be looking at another victim of the Fox News network.

If I was, then I'd be a terrified wreck, as Baker East is right by the amazing flight path for the Columbus Airport.

No, mainly because if they tried the same thing with a plane again the passengers would most likely end up tearing them apart.

I've lived fairly near an airport all my life and I'm no more worried about a plane smashing into my house because of terrorism than I am because of increased air traffic and the pressures on the controllers.

I also don't envisage another Holocaust, because I don't see there's a set of races or cultures likely to be deliberately wiped out. I think that whatever you think of the Bush Administration or Al Qaeda (the main combatants in this, world war three) the fact is that both simply have to learn from history if they are to stamp their doctrine on the world. And let's be honest: neither are really likely to make a vast impression for any length of time are they?

Both sides may be extremists, but both have certain histories to remind them of the follies they're engaging in. This war may cost millions of lifes, but it certainly won't see another Holocaust.

Another Hiroshima? Very probably.

If I was, then I'd be a terrified wreck, as Baker East is right by the amazing flight path for the Columbus Airport.
Yeah, pretty much. I lived smack in the middle of the paths of San Francisco International, Oakland Airport, and San Jose Airport. And then there are the bases. I'd be curled up in a corner weeping if I was afraid when planes move over head.

And not just that, but my family's house is in the middle of the Akron-Canton airports flight path.

to be perfectly honest, america deserves everything it gets and i hope more happens to put them right in there place, at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder. and no im not scared of planes and terrorism, becuase if they started on England alot of shit would hit the fan :mp5:

I'm not worried... Nobody is out to get me.

Even with Bush in office, I'm more likely to die of hundreds of other things. What percentage of Americans died due to terrorists? Whatever the amount, I'm more likely to be shot because I asked some jerk to turn down his stereo. Not to leave cancer, heart disease or auto accidents out. I have more to worry about with lightning. It's silly hype to distract Americans from the crap the administration is pulling on the domestic front.

to be perfectly honest, america deserves everything it gets and i hope more happens to put them right in there place, at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder. and no im not scared of planes and terrorism, becuase if they started on England alot of shit would hit the fan :mp5:

Gee, lets get started with nationalistic crap and stereotypes. :rolleyes:

...because I asked some jerk to turn down his stereo.

my mom's best friend was murdered beacuse she asked someone to turn down their stereo. Yeah, you're right I'll probably die from cancer or something. And NO I don't watch fox news.

to be perfectly honest, america deserves everything it gets
You're either an idiot or deliberate flamebait. I detest the current regime and American globalization, but I would not wish the terror of 911 on my worst enemy.
and i hope more happens to put them right in there place, at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder.
At least you'll have a home to call your own then...
and no im not scared of planes and terrorism, becuase if they started on England alot of shit would hit the fan
What shit would this be then? How old are you? Can you remember the Brighton bombings or the pub attacks the IRA carried out? Because I get the impression from your apthetic contribution thus far that you really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

But I don't form first impressions so go ahead and justify your comments. :rolleyes:

What with with the third option about another Holocaust?
Does that have something to do with 9/11?

I have ducked when an exceptionally loud plane goes overhead, but that only happened once or twice...I'm going on a plane next weeks, so...

Since 9/11, I've been scared of what next stupid and dangerous thing the US govt was going to imagine. I'm still scared - seems they're not over with destabilizing regions and attacking countries yet...

... also, I'm avoiding American airline companies, for fear of being reported by some hysterical stewardess and spend months in a US jail...

What with with the third option about another Holocaust?
Does that have something to do with 9/11?

Their just fears of mine just thought I'd put them on the same poll. Don't ask me why.

Since 9/11 I've been more scared of the US government than anything else. By another Holocaust do you mean another genocide? If so then theres been quite a few genocides since then.

I'm a lot more afraid of my rights being chiseled away under the guise of protecting me. The swing to the right the country has taken scares me a lot more than terrorists. And I've come a lot closer to domestic terrorism than to any from somebody in the middle east. Can we say Timothy McVeigh?

heh i live right under air traffic but am i scared? no! yes a holocaust could happen any minute! am i afraid? no! you ve got to deal with the fact that america and russia could blow us all to hell and back 3x over! if any1 targets Washington D.C. im gone...ill be within range to the point where my body vaporizes/incnerates and no im not scarred. we all die eventualy so big fuckin shit if its now tommorow in 300 years!

Nope, not worried at all, but then again my country didn't do any thing to piss them off. ;)


Cant you answer yes or no without a snide little remark? Adding a smilie doesnt make it any less snide either.

And yes. Yes I am worried whenever I think a plane is flying alittle to close to the ground.

Nope, not worried at all, but then again my country didn't do any thing to piss them off. ;)

So where does your appeasement end?

Oh you don't want us to drink alcohol in your country, fair enough.

And you don't want us to drink alcohol in their country either even though it is perfectly fine with their culture.

And you don't want us to drink alcohol in our country either because your people make up 0.7% of our population. HMMMMMMMMMM

Terrorists are attacking our way of life. Not because we did or did not send soldiers anywhere but because they want control and they are willing to use religion as an excuse, not a basis but an excuse.

That smiley is rather sinister.

Terrorists are attacking our way of life. Not because we did or did not send soldiers anywhere but because they want control and they are willing to use religion as an excuse, not a basis but an excuse.
That sounds exactly like what the government is doing under the guise of freedom.

I fear nothing except Allah.

Meh.

Whatever happens happens, in my opinion. But the thought does scare me occasionally, although I'm not too sure if they'd hit NYC again. 9/11 was the scariest day of my life.

The use of the word Holocaust to describe 9/11 is completely inapropriate. A few thousand people died. It was a horrible act of terrorism, but the only thing that makes it stand out from other similar acts is that it happened to the US. We have killed far more innocent people in Iraq than were killed on 9/11.

As far as damage and loss of life goes, the Tsunami in Asia makes 9/11 look like background noise. The number of people who die yearly from car accidents in the US makes 9/11 seem like a small thing.

I worry about people who place so much emphasis on this one terrorist attack - it suggests that they are disturbingly unconcerned with what goes on in the world at large.

So where does your appeasement end?

Oh you don't want us to drink alcohol in your country, fair enough.

And you don't want us to drink alcohol in their country either even though it is perfectly fine with their culture.

And you don't want us to drink alcohol in our country either because your people make up 0.7% of our population. HMMMMMMMMMM

Terrorists are attacking our way of life. Not because we did or did not send soldiers anywhere but because they want control and they are willing to use religion as an excuse, not a basis but an excuse.

The Hamas bomb because they believe the Israelians have taken their land.
Chechnyans bomb because they believe the Russians have taken their land.
The IRA bomb because they believe the British have taken their land.
The Al-Queda bomb because they believe the Americans have taken their land.

It doesn't have anything to do with alcohol or your way of life.

That sounds exactly like what the government is doing under the guise of freedom.

Yay. We'll probably live out our last years in some government re-education camp. The current administration excels in Orwellian doublespeak. They'll have us all wearing tracking devices to protect our freedom before long. :rolleyes:

Yay. We'll probably live out our last years in some government re-education camp. The current administration excels in Orwellian doublespeak. They'll have us all wearing tracking devices to protect our freedom before long. :rolleyes:

So you must be seventy and in the twilight of your life if your worried about living out your last years in a gov. re-education camp seeing as how this administration cant be elected for a third term :p

Cant you answer yes or no without a snide little remark? Adding a smilie doesnt make it any less snide either.

Hey it wasn't snide, it's the truth. I don't believe 3,000 (actually it was a little under) deserved to die for the mess ups' of past, present, future governments of the United States. However, had you just left them alone, this wouldn't be happening. They had no desire to take over the world. They just wanted the west to butt out. Even more than that, the west wants their oil. They say respect all religion, but the US didn't respect middle eastern religion. I'm not saying they deserved it, cause the people who got killed surely didn't. Perhaps if they had hit the White House instead of innocent civilians, I might of thought they did deserve it. Freedom of speech, it's my right to believe as I wish. As it is yours.

It has been over three years. How many weeks did we mourn the over 100,000 victims of the tsunami? Not many, the news stopped covering it after a few weeks. A life is a life, thats how I often see it. No life is worth more than another. In the US people put their lives as more valuable than others. We've bombed the shit out of Iraq and the media hasn't even mentioned how many Iraqis have died.

You know if a close enough star blew up, I'm talking like within a million lights years or something, the shock wave could totally destroy the Earth? That worries me more than the planes.

Hey it wasn't snide, it's the truth. I don't believe 3,000 (actually it was a little under) deserved to die for the mess ups' of past, present, future governments of the United States. However, had you just left them alone, this wouldn't be happening. They had no desire to take over the world. They just wanted the west to butt out. Even more than that, the west wants their oil. They say respect all religion, but the US didn't respect middle eastern religion. I'm not saying they deserved it, cause the people who got killed surely didn't. Perhaps if they had hit the White House instead of innocent civilians, I might of thought they did deserve it. Freedom of speech, it's my right to believe as I wish. As it is yours.

Its a shame you dont realize your own snide remarks. If we leaved them alone Saddam would have taken Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. If we left them alone the Soviets would have won in Afganistan. I'm sorry but leaving them alone isnt an option of ANY nation at the moment. Not any established nation or any developing nation. They cant risk it. Oil= Blood of all economies.

I think of war when planes fly over my house: WWII. :) Chino Airport has, I think, the largest number of WWII vintage warplanes in the country, maybe in the world. I see Liberators, Superfortresses, Dauntlesses, etc. all the time. It's pretty neat, actually. Never do I get 'scared' though.

Its a shame you dont realize your own snide remarks. If we leaved them alone Saddam would have taken Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. If we left them alone the Soviets would have won in Afganistan. I'm sorry but leaving them alone isnt an option of ANY nation at the moment. Not any established nation or any developing nation. They cant risk it. Oil= Blood of all economies.

Yugoslavia dragged on for quite a bit. Why was it an option to let them alone for so long? Zaire? Somalia? Timor? etc etc etc. There are much worse dictators than Saddam. But they don't have any oil (Except of course the crazy regime in Saudi, but they are "you kind" of regime).

Yugoslavia dragged on for quite a bit. Why was it an option to let them alone for so long? Zaire? Somalia? Timor? etc etc etc. There are much worse dictators than Saddam. But they don't have any oil (Except of course the crazy regime in Saudi, but they are "you kind" of regime).


...I thought I pointed this out..are you agreeing with what I said or what?

...I thought I pointed this out..are you agreeing with what I said or what?

Well...I don't think the americans should start waging wars all over the planet in the name of "freedom". If that was your point, then yes I am agreeing with you.

No offense, but you made it seem like we did the right thing but why didn't we go and help those other nations. I think thats what he meant.

Yugoslavia dragged on for quite a bit. Why was it an option to let them alone for so long? Zaire? Somalia? Timor? etc etc etc. There are much worse dictators than Saddam. But they don't have any oil (Except of course the crazy regime in Saudi, but they are "you kind" of regime).

When the British did it, it was White Mans Burden, when the Romans did it it was spreading civilization. Give it a rest. Nothing will change, dont like what the US calls it? Oh well.

So you must be seventy and in the twilight of your life if your worried about living out your last years in a gov. re-education camp seeing as how this administration cant be elected for a third term :p

While it's true I don't have that much respect for the ability of Bush to push his agenda that hard,(he doesn't have enough work ethic to get it done before he leaves office) similiar thinkers are lined up for the jobs. I didn't say our last years would be when we were old. :eek:

It doesn't have anything to do with alcohol or your way of life.

Amrosi, the Bali Bomber, used alcohol as one of the excuses for the attrocity he committed.

He also claimed that the Australian forces which liberated East Timor were another catylist.

Australians stopping militias from slaughtering Timorese citizens was his justification for killing Westerners, Balinese and Indonesians who happened to be in the way of his sick idea of what the world should be.

No offense, but you made it seem like we did the right thing but why didn't we go and help those other nations. I think thats what he meant.

No, I think this "freedom" crap is a pathetic reason for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Besides, it wasn't the reason given at the start of the whole thing. I'm sorry if I was unclear, but basically my point was that I don't like the idea of yanks on a rampage all over the planet in the name of "freedom".

When the British did it, it was White Mans Burden, when the Romans did it it was spreading civilization. Give it a rest. Nothing will change, dont like what the US calls it? Oh well.

Ah, the code of the playground: "Everyone else did it, so it's ok for me".

Its a shame you dont realize your own snide remarks. If we leaved them alone Saddam would have taken Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. If we left them alone the Soviets would have won in Afganistan. I'm sorry but leaving them alone isnt an option of ANY nation at the moment. Not any established nation or any developing nation. They cant risk it. Oil= Blood of all economies.

Oh for Jesus H Christ sake, stop living in the past. There was NO need to take out Saddam. He was a threat to NO one. Jesus, how many experts and Senate reports do you need before you get it?

I don't like the idea of any nation or empire committing atrocities under the guise of "freedom", "white mans burden", etc., etc.

Amrosi, the Bali Bomber, used alcohol as one of the excuses for the attrocity he committed.

He also claimed that the Australian forces which liberated East Timor were another catylist.

Australians stopping militias from slaughtering Timorese citizens was his justification for killing Westerners, Balinese and Indonesians who happened to be in the way of his sick idea of what the world should be.

So? Unabomber wiped his ass on leaves instead of toiletpaper...

The biggest terrorist organizations are the ones that believe their land has been taken and believe they are being oppressed.

Oh for Jesus H Christ sake, stop living in the past. There was NO need to take out Saddam. He was a threat to NO one. Jesus, how many experts and Senate reports do you need before you get it?

Correct, if you didn't happen to be a citizen of Iraq.

Easy guy to get along with too. If he liked you you got anything you wanted.

If he didn't like you he let you stay in a torture chamber or mass grave.

Ah, the code of the playground: "Everyone else did it, so it's ok for me".

I'm sorry..I thought I was only pointing out it happened in the past..and the fact you are surprised that it continues to happen came as a shock to me.

So? Unabomber wiped his ass on leaves instead of toiletpaper...

The biggest terrorist organizations are the ones that believe their land has been taken and believe they are being oppressed.

Yes but they still use religion as their excuse.

If they were truly fighting for freedom then there would be no need to hide behind the religion guise.

Oh for Jesus H Christ sake, stop living in the past. There was NO need to take out Saddam. He was a threat to NO one. Jesus, how many experts and Senate reports do you need before you get it?

You're the one saying we should have left them alone. You stop living in the past. My past includes me seeing hands on 9/11. I'm not going to live that down, ever. I wont live down having to walk home that day, or being concerned of follow up attacks in Manhattan. I no longer care if we should leave them alone. They crossed a line. No amount of justification no amount of "you should have left them alone" will ever erase what they did.

Correct, if you didn't happen to be a citizen of Iraq.

Easy guy to get along with too. If he liked you you got anything you wanted.

If he didn't like you he let you stay in a torture chamber or mass grave.

Spare me the Fox News propaganda. Saddam in 30 years killed maybe 300,000 people and that number is a guess. That includes the war between Iran/Iraq.

Since the war started in 2003, on March 19th (Yes, I remember the day, it was my birthday) the US has already either killed or been the direct cause of almost 100,000. Saddam had nothing on the American army. Give that old sorry song a rest. Not to mention civil war looks likely, I wonder how many will die in that?

You're the one saying we should have left them alone. You stop living in the past. My past includes me seeing hands on 9/11. I'm not going to live that down, ever. I wont live down having to walk home that day, or being concerned of follow up attacks in Manhattan. I no longer care if we should leave them alone. They crossed a line. No amount of justification no amount of "you should have left them alone" will ever erase what they did.
That still isn't justification for the Iraq War.

Yes but they still use religion as their excuse.

If they were truly fighting for freedom then there would be no need to hide behind the religion guise.

Oh come on...
They all believe they are right, and religion is the uniting thing in most cultures... It's the same as the slogan "god bless our troops" written on banners. Everybody uses religion for political reasons.

Fear and religion are powerful controls.

Spare me the Fox News propaganda. Saddam in 30 years killed maybe 300,000 people and that number is a guess. That includes the war between Iran/Iraq.

Since the war started in 2003, on March 19th (Yes, I remember the day, it was my birthday) the US has already either killed or been the direct cause of almost 100,000. Saddam had nothing on the American army. Give that old sorry song a rest. Not to mention civil war looks likely, I wonder how many will die in that?

So socialist, apologist BS is OK?

Lets ask the Kurds, and yes I know Turkey kills them too, if they think only 300,000 died.

I'll stick to my souces of info, you stay with yours and by the way I DONT WATCH FOX!

Oh come on...
They all believe they are right, and religion is the uniting thing in most cultures... It's the same as the slogan "god bless our troops" written on banners. Everybody uses religion for political reasons.

We have not used that slogan. It's more thank Christ none of our soldiers have been killed.

Fear and religion are powerful controls.

Religion should never be mixed with fear.

You know if a close enough star blew up, I'm talking like within a million lights years or something, the shock wave could totally destroy the Earth? That worries me more than the planes.
Nahh. None of the stars close enough to cause us any trouble are going to blow in the next couple hundred thousand years at least.

What you should be worried about is asteroids! There's lots of them, they're hard to see coming - we probably don't even know about most the near misses - and just one could make earth no longer capable of suporting anywhere near 6 billion people for a good long while. :D

For that matter, if you're going to worry, you should worry about cars. If something other than disease or old age is going to kill you, it's probably going to be a car, so worry about that instead of planes.

Spare me the Fox News propaganda. Saddam in 30 years killed maybe 300,000 people and that number is a guess. That includes the war between Iran/Iraq.

So killing 10,000 people a year is ok?

So socialist, apologist BS is OK?

Lets ask the Kurds, and yes I know Turkey kills them too, if they think only 300,000 died.

I'll stick to my souces of info, you stay with yours and by the way I DONT WATCH FOX!


Do you stick to the same sources about all of the massive stockpiles of WMD too?

Perhaps you should pay attention to the fact that - like with the WMD - it turned out that the reports of mass killings was also overblown by expatriots with an agenda (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0%2C12956%2C1263901%2C00.html)


Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.

The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.

In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.'

On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.'

The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports 'to the outer limits' in the case for the threat posed by Iraq.

Downing Street's admission comes amid growing questions over precisely how many perished under Saddam's three decades of terror, and the location of the bodies of the dead.

The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses and murder on a large scale - not least in well-documented campaigns including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against Kurdish villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising - but serious questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein's murders.


But hey, if you want to go on believing everything that was printed BEFORE the war - you go right on ahead. Don't let facts get in the way of a closely held belief.....

I might have had to take a plan overseas to Britain on 9/11/05... I got a little nervous when I saw that.

So killing 10,000 people a year is ok?

No, but it sure wasn't as many as the Americans have killed.. and it's far, far, far from over.

We have not used that slogan. It's more thank Christ none of our soldiers have been killed.

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That's what a slogan looks like.

That's what a slogan looks like.

I'M NOTTA YANK!

I said we, not meaning USA but meaning my fellow countrymen.

I'M NOTTA YANK!

I said we, not meaning USA but meaning my fellow countrymen.

And they are...?

Even with Bush in office, I'm more likely to die of hundreds of other things. What percentage of Americans died due to terrorists? Whatever the amount, I'm more likely to be shot because I asked some jerk to turn down his stereo. Not to leave cancer, heart disease or auto accidents out. I have more to worry about with lightning. It's silly hype to distract Americans from the crap the administration is pulling on the domestic front.
;) I agree whole-heartedly with you.

Are you afraid when planes fly over your house? Are you worried another Holocaust could occur?

Hmm... Now that you mention it, a lot about post-war Iraq does look like Germany after WWI...

Hahah.. Thank Darwin for the troops! :D Or I guess, FOR THE MOTHERLAND!

Well, religion is always a good boost to make soldiers better fighters.

Hmm... Now that you mention it, a lot about post-war Iraq does look like Germany after WWI...

And the US keeps creeping closer to pre-WWII Germany.

I think we may be looking at another victim of the Fox News network.

I think she may have been refferring to all the racial profiling thats goin' on right now in our country. I voted that another holocaust is possible just because I don't have much faith in the nature of humanity. I don't think its likely, right now, though, unless something drastic changes. For one thing, I know if it happened in the US, I'd grab my buddies and as many guns as possible(I live in Alabam, so that's a lot) and do my damndest to stop it, and I believe plenty of other American's would react the same.