NationStates Jolt Archive

Every thread about homosexuality always has the same biblepassages in them. And every time someone will use a counter argument like "leviticus also says you shouldn't shave your beard, wear these types of clothes" etc.

A little search for a complete and comprehensive list of every biblequote that says one should or should not do something turned up very little besides flamewars - and a few mormon sites that declared being against such lists because of the risk that people will just completely focus on them and forget the underlying message. Though I can see their point, I have a feeling that several fundamentalists already do just that. Besides of which, it may give some perspective as to how grave a sin homosexuality is.

So.. does anyone have such a list, or can you give me a link to one ?

EDIT: so far provided: A Bible study of sin - 667 sins referenced (http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Bible_Studies/Sin_list_part_6.htm) (Poptartrea)
The complete Bible (http://www.bible.com/bible_read.html) (Keruvalia)
The complete Qur'an (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/) (Keruvalia)
Society for the practical establishment and perpetuation of the 10 commandments (http://www.tencommandments.org/index.html) (Queens of birdland)
List of the 613 Mitzvot (commandments, Judaism) (http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm) (QahJoh)

All I can say to that is "too damn many."

So.. does anyone have such a list, or can you give me a link to one ?

Here ya go ... pick yer favorite version and enjoy!

Click Me! (http://www.bible.com/bible_read.html)

However, if you want a much better read ....

No! Click Me! (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/)

Otherwise, you're on your own. It's all between you and Allah.

Here ya go ... pick yer favorite version and enjoy!

Click Me! (http://www.bible.com/bible_read.html)

However, if you want a much better read ....

No! Click Me! (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/)

Otherwise, you're on your own. It's all between you and Allah.

A friend of mine told me it wasn't the real Koran unless it was in Arabic. But he was pretty traditional. We met in Tae Kwon Do class and he wouldn't spar with me because he couldn't touch a woman he wasn't married to. He did get me to go to mosque with him a couple of times though.

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Bible_Studies/Sin_list_part_6.htm

I doubt it's complete, but it sure is funny. And I'm not sure why it's Sin list part 6[letter indicating section] either. :confused:

Edit: STRIKING A MAN IN THE GROIN Deut 25:11,12
Amen to that!

A friend of mine told me it wasn't the real Koran unless it was in Arabic. But he was pretty traditional. We met in Tae Kwon Do class and he wouldn't spar with me because he couldn't touch a woman he wasn't married to. He did get me to go to mosque with him a couple of times though.

Yeah I'd say he'd be pretty, shall we say, Orthodox - even though that isn't really a word one can apply in Islam. I've met some brothers who will not shake a woman's hand and some who have no problem with a fond embrace of a good friend. He probably didn't look you in the eye much. This causes some problems with Muslims who believe as such in Western cultures ... it makes us look like we're woman haters, when, in fact, casting down the eyes and such is a sign of respect for the purity (don't read: virginity) of the woman.

Myself, well, I hold that Allah commands us to love one another and that command takes presidence over just about everything else. An embrace or friendly handshake is of no consequence.

The translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali is pretty much universally accepted as the best English translation. There's really nothing wrong with a good and proper translation, but it is essential for all Muslims to learn Arabic so they can read the original.

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Bible_Studies/Sin_list_part_6.htm

I doubt it's complete, but it sure is funny. And I'm not sure why it's Sin list part 6[letter indicating section] either. :confused:

Edit: STRIKING A MAN IN THE GROIN Deut 25:11,12
Amen to that!

667 ... and it says it isn't a complete list. My goodness that's a lot of things to keep up with. So much for that whole "blood of the lamb washing away all sin" thing ... according to them, there's 667+ ways Jesus's crucifiction didn't help.

Zowie. If there was ever an argument *not* to convert, there it is.

A friend of mine told me it wasn't the real Koran unless it was in Arabic.
The site in question agrees: "Note that any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. In fact, each of the translations on this site is actually an interpretation which has been translated." A concept I both agree with and appreciate.

But I was hoping for a more condensed version. I know much of the context would be lost - but the same could be said for every quote that is used to make a point. Edit: shouldn't stop to read some passages ;) I see one is already there...

Blimey lovies...this is hard! How wierd is this, I am not a religious person by any means and I found it scary that the most a search engine can come up with when you type in 'ten commandments' is the film!!

Saying that, I found this freaky little site and here they are..... Qxxx


http://www.tencommandments.org/index.html

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust

What the heck is Averice? I am thick, yes!

xxQxx :rolleyes:

The site in question agrees: "Note that any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. In fact, each of the translations on this site is actually an interpretation which has been translated." A concept I both agree with and appreciate.

But I was hoping for a more condensed version. I know much of the context would be lost - but the same could be said for every quote that is used to make a point.

If the Bible came with that warning, it might cut down (though only slightly) on the number of arguements around here. At least Islam cut it down from the ten commandments to the five pillars. Okay, I'll lay off the jokes, but I at least like the parts of the Koran that tell people to take care of the earth and creatures on it. Seemed a little more earth friendly than most people take from the Bible. But I've read a lot more Bible than Koran. I've only read a select few from the Koran.

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust

What the heck is Averice? I am thick, yes!

xxQxx :rolleyes:

Avarice is Greed.

Given links were added to the first post.
Thanks to all that participated.. and keep them coming please :) The 667 (intriguing number !) did not include the not shaving rule I noticed... or I overlooked it.

According to Judaism, there are 613 commandments: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

I'm not educated enough in the nuances of Christian theology to comment on how many of these are believed to still be binding... (I'd also have to assume it depends on the sect), but I'm guessing not a lot.

A bible study of sin - 667 sins referenced
And you notice it is one more than 666 :)

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust

There was an interesting British study about seven deadly sins. They seem to be a little outdated. Other sins are more relevant to our society. Number one (by Brits) is now cruelty, followed by adultery and bigotry. Then dishonesty, hypocrisy and greed, selfishness being the last on the list.

More about the study
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/heavenandearth/sins/poll.shtml

And you notice it is one more than 666 :)

Maybe the extra one is "thou shalt not count?"

There was an interesting British study about seven deadly sins. They seem to be a little outdated. Other sins are more relevant to our society. Number one (by Brits) is now cruelty, followed by adultery and bigotry. Then dishonesty, hypocrisy and greed, selfishness being the last on the list.

Interesting :) Which reminds me: a Dutch Catholic organisation is currently using alternative translations of the commandments to promote their religion:
1 God is there.
2 I honour.
3 This day is holy.
4 I respect my heritage.
5 I want life.
6 I am faithful.
7 I have enough.
8 I am honest.
9 My love is pure.
10 I am grateful.

(translated from Dutch into English by myself). Promises to oneself, instead of commandments in other words. And while looking much simpler than the official translation, they have some hidden depts. "I want life" for instance implies more strongly than "thou shalst not kill" a respect for all living things in nature. I quite like their idea :)

If you consider the Jewish law in the Torah, which Jesus says he did not come to change (despite what Paul later wrote), there are 613 Mitzvot (or things you must do and things you cannot do) in the Old Testament alone.

Then add the few things that Jesus added (we can assume we have already counted the ones he repeated from the Torah).

Technically, that's hundreds of things.

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust

What the heck is Averice? I am thick, yes!

xxQxx :rolleyes:
The Seven Deadly Sins

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

The Seven Heavenly Virtues

Truth - Truth is a comprehensive term that in all of its nuances implies honesty, accuracy, sincerity, integrity, and reality.


Love - A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection, devotion, and/or compassion toward a person.


Courage - The state or quality of mind or spirit that enables one to face danger, fear, or change with self-possession, confidence, and resolution; bravery.


Wisdom - Knowledge, and the capacity to use the best means for attaining the best ends; good judgment.


Creativity - The ability to produce through artistic or imaginative effort, characterized by originality and expressiveness.


Tolerance - The practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.


Freedom - The power to act, speak, or think without externally imposed restraints.

Its much easier than a list. Anything that violates the following is a sin:
Love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all you strength and with all your mind. This is the first great commandment and the second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself. On these two hang all the law and the prophets.

Add to that, "all that is not of faith is sin."

I'd say that pretty much covers it.