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Do you think people are divided more by nationality, race, class, gender, or religion?

Or are people divided moreso by something else?

Let the opining begin!

Gender of course in race you can say were all the same under the skin but with gender its more complicated

Stupidity.

Politics.

Rivers.

hmm, that's a tough one. i really support people of my race but don't think any other people of different races are worse or better. i'd have to say religion. the illogical christians muslims and jews, vs. nearly everyone else.

Politics.
= class.

depends on the country, really, but people of different nationality work together just fine (in the modern (western) world, in business), people of different race work together ok, different gendered people work together fine, and people of differing religion work together fine (in the UK at least you rarely know you co-workers' religion). people of different economic/social class rarely work together, and are often in opposition.

Can any1 say Jihad?

In my opinion, religion divides most people. Most wars seem to even be based on religion.

Can any1 say Jihad?

I can. It's eay to pronounce. What's your point, and it better not be about 'evil muslims'.

nope muslims arent evil but i do think religion sparks way too much conflict.

hmm, that's a tough one. i really support people of my race but don't think any other people of different races are worse or better. i'd have to say religion. the illogical christians muslims and jews, vs. nearly everyone else.

Illogical? Thanks.

its goten to the point where its not "do you believe in god?" its "do you belive in my god?" that is why im agnostic

Fair enough. Could have just said it though. Now I look the fool.

Eh. I always do anyway.

Moses was good at dividing people, like he divided that sea. Moses owns, Jesus sucks.

Religion. So many people have so much self-worth based on their religious beliefs that they will fight harder to preserve that than almost anything else.

In a larger scale, there is nothing better than the idea of religion to manipulate the masses, so it's the perfect tool for selling almost any agenda to the people.

nope muslims arent evil but i do think religion sparks way too much conflict.

Yup, definitely. Religiion has been used as an excuse for a lot of wars. It may control the masses, but at way too high a cost.

:rolleyes: you guys have it all ewrong. none of those things divides at all. I have friends from many countries, races, religiions, etc. the only thing that divides is personality... for example, :D would not like :sniper: , or even :mad: for that matter...

Politics and religion.

I'm British, so I voted for Class. It's traditional.

I'm British, so I voted for Class. It's traditional.

Definitely. Thankfully I'm middle class. And live in the South.

Air, mostly.

Air, mostly.
Hot air?

Belief systems. This is not just religion, but also includes political positions. (These are not the same as class, OK) In general members of different religions tolerate each other better than followers of different political lines of thought.

It is much easier for a Muslim to agree with a Evangelical Christian, than it is for a neoCon to agree with a Socialist.

One other possibility, Sports teams. (Yankees vs. Red Sox, Man U vs Leeds.)

Can any1 say Jihad?

So the fact that I am in a jihad to not smoke cigarettes divides us?

Wow ... I'm sorry. I didn't know you felt so strongly about it.

Definitely. Thankfully I'm middle class. And live in the South.
Me too. What are the odds, eh? ;)

People are divided most by their own stupid sense of superiority. I.e. my country is better than yours, my religion is better than yours, my class is better than yours, my Mac is better than your PC, etc.

dont bend my words to what you will my point had nothing to do with smoking or the corparate world

dont bend my words to what you will my point had nothing to do with smoking or the corparate world
What he means is that you don't know what "jihad" means. I committed the same faux pas with him a while ago, and was rather embarrassed.

nationality i think

although with the internet, and the ability to go online and talk to thousands of people from different countries around the world, that barrier has fallen quite a bit

dont bend my words to what you will my point had nothing to do with smoking or the corparate world

Then maybe you need to re-examine your definition of "jihad".

heh....we all should...

their minds
forgot to say i vote others

I voted other and believe that idealogies as a whole seperate humans it seems many humans only some together and organize to gain power and control. Why? To enforce their ideals on others thinking they are somehow better than anothers ideals.

Nationality - before nations developed, it would have been religion, but now I'd go with nationality.

Nationality - before nations developed, it would have been religion, but now I'd go with nationality.

?????

As a Communist I believe that the only true division between people is class of which consists of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. All other divisions such as gender, nationality or religion are a result of class differences and these other divisions will disappear in a classless Communist society.

it depends how people weigh their loyalties

I see myself as a Catholic first and am there for more likely to be divided from someone for reasons of religion that anything else

As I Communist I believe that the only true division between people is class of which consists of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. All other divisions such as gender, nationality or religion are a result of class differences and these other divisions will disappear in a classless Communist society.
no.you dont believe in it because classeless is believing in class

What devides us most is fear & ignorance...

it depends how people weigh their loyalties

I see myself as a Catholic first and am there for more likely to be divided from someone for reasons of religion that anything else

what is your second though?

What devides us most is fear & ignorance...
i could agree with you ....but(there is always a but) fear is a reaction(-action) while ignorance is an illusion(accepted or not)

what is your second though?

nationality

?????
In the 1500s it would have been religion.

Since Napoleon, depending on the area, it would be nationality.

i could agree with you ....but(there is always a but) fear is a reaction(-action) while ignorance is an illusion(accepted or not)
Ignorance is quite real...it merely requires a lack of knowledge, and since all knowledge is acquired...

no.you dont believe in it because classeless is believing in class

I believe that within this capitalist system the only divisions are between the bourgeoisie (the exploiters) and the proletariat (who are exploited). I would however like to see a Communist society where all class differences are brought to an end.

Politics, IMHO.

I would however like to see a Communist society where all class differences re brought to an end.

Do you believe that in this system there would be no bones of contention amongst the comrades?

Culture. That's a combination of nationality, race, politics, religion and to an extent class. It also effects the magnitude of gender differences.

class.

Ignorance is quite real...it merely requires a lack of knowledge, and since all knowledge is acquired...
how or when do you know you are actually knowing?

politics!! just look at half of the threads on this website. :rolleyes:

I believe that within this capitalist system the only divisions are between the bourgeoisie (the exploiters) and the proletariat (who are exploited). I would however like to see a Communist society where all class differences re brought to an end.

you won't be able to create a society (classless) if you are thinking there is a difference,you will only create a new one

how or when do you know you are actually knowing?
Short answer: You'll know how & when you know you are actually knowing. Unfortunately, ignorance can be quite deceptive.
I'll come up with a more elaborate answer tomorrow.

BTW, Yannia & Arthymia share their player...

Religion. As proof: The Christian Republic.

Do you think people are divided more by nationality, race, class, gender, or religion?

Or are people divided moreso by something else?

Let the opining begin!
What we choose to believe.

I would have to say religion.

Politics.
But a person's politics is defined by their race, religion, gender, nationality, etc. I voted for class. It just makes so much more sense. Many, many years ago, people lived in different areas based on ethnicity, and while that is still somewhat true today, neighborhoods are divided mostly by class now. I still can't believe religion got the most votes. Class structure is so dominant over the rest of these. If you just look around, it's easier to tell what class/income level a person is than what religion they are.

But a person's politics is defined by their race, religion, gender, nationality, etc.

I don;t think that a person's race should have anything to do with their politics, a black man who decides he is democrat for the siomple fact that he has a higher concentration of melanin is just as ignorant as a redneck who is conservative cause he wants to keep his guns. Many christians are liberals, so i think religeon is a spurious argument. gender is a bit harder to define, liberals see to be a touch more staunch on womens rights, the main one being abortion, but a woman's religion and/or amount of moral fiber would make that argument a moot one. Nationality has nothing to do with politics. Behavior, yes, politics no. Being born British makes me no more liberal or conservative than being born Japanese. Class si definitely the one factor that both binds and seperates people.

For the person that spoke of a classless communist state. There are two classes. Since the likelyhood of a benevolent communistic leader is slim to none (and slim just walked out the door) there would just become the bourgeousis (sp.) and the proletariat x10. The mlore influential people of the so called proletariat woule become the leaders of the nation. Income desparity raises between these leaders and the workers. You now have two classes vastly more different than the ones you seemingly abolished.

I would have to go with ideology as the biggest divider of people, so I chose other. I can get along with people of other races, religions, the opposite gender, and different classes, but someone whose ideals are too different from mine is not going to get along with me.

I gotta go with sense of humor. If you think something's funny and the guy down the street doesn't, you're always gonna point fingers at each others kids for who egged everyone's mailbox on Halloween.

:headbang: :gundge:

Culture. That's a combination of nationality, race, politics, religion and to an extent class. It also effects the magnitude of gender differences.
Agreed. I picked nationality but that's not right as many nations are quite similar. Anyway a rich man and a poor man in Finland have much more in common than a poor man from Finland and a poor man from Uganda.

What are people divided the most by?


Mitosis.

Most? Class.

Period. Because I know what you mean when you stated Class = money.

No matter who you are or how trashy you are .. if you got the money honey .. they got the time.


But the definition of Class (in my mind) isn't money.

Culture. That's a combination of nationality, race, politics, religion and to an extent class. It also effects the magnitude of gender differences.

Similar, but I would reduce it even more to indivuals and call it education. Which is not just the going to school thing, but also what your parents and church taught you, the experiences you had and so on. People are taught certain concepts - like how a good girl behaves, that a random set of lines on a map is valuable if you call it a border, given a specific mindset, both verbal and body language to communicate and so on.

As well as some innate ability to be openminded I assume. Some aspects might be genetic.

Do you think people are divided more by nationality, race, class, gender, or religion?

Or are people divided moreso by something else?

Let the opining begin!


MATHS!!

I would say value systems, which are influenced by religion to a large extent, are the most divisive.

What your value/belief systems are also affects how divisive class, race, and gender are.

I would go for class, and next to that gender, because in both these relations there is exploitation.

I would go for class, and next to that gender, because in both these relations there is exploitation.
As between nationalities and so called races.

Ignorance!

An us-and-them mentality. People of every race, class, religion, what have you, can and do get along....it's just the idiots who have decided that only their own small subgroup counts and everyone else is at best irrelevant -- these are the ones that are divisive.

Air. There's a lot of it between people.

Definitely religion (although, if Christianity, Judaism and Islam didn't exist, then I would probably say language barriers cause the greatest division). It's the "Big 3" that are causing all the ruckus - all other religions can pretty well get along.

I think what divides people the most is... this poll. :D

It's the "Big 3" that are causing all the ruckus - all other religions can pretty well get along.

Nah, mostly Islam causin' the ruckus nowadays...

Islam vs. Christianity - Sudan, Indonesia
Islam vs. Judaism - Israel and its past million wars
Islam vs. Hinduism - India
Islam vs. Buddhism - Sri Lanka

Granted, no religion has a perfect track record, but most modern inter-religious conflict involves Islam.