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What are you politically. I have many libertarian views but am not sure what I am economically.

Political standing? I'm generally standing over near the wall beating my head against it.

Look at the political compass. Or better yet, take the test. Maybe you'll learn something about yourself? :p
You will find me on the NS chart somewhere onthe bottom left.

Depends on the country.

I took the test a while back, but I am skepitcal about such tests. My numbers were:
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00
Economic Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.65
Although, I do think thats correct.

I'm (apparently) moderate socially but I'm extremely authoritarian economically.

I took the test a while back, but I am skepitcal about such tests. My numbers were:
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00
Economic Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.65
Although, I do think thats correct.
Your numbers have been harvested. I'll add them to the chart, on which you can see where most of the NS posters are politically located. It's in my signature.

Also in my signature you can see where I stand. I'm centrist on economics and very libertarian on social issues.

I'm an anarchist, anarcho-communist specifically.

http://s95074994.onlinehome.us/compass.htm

Libertarian-Communist or Anarcho-Communist I guess? :)

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.54

I'm very far left. I promote all social freedoms, and most economic freedoms.

However, the economy should be controlled in some ways, like imports. Some imports should definately be controlled to help some of our manufacturing industries (read: fall of the American steel industry). For controlling the economy, that's about it.

I'd legalize any and all drugs if I had the chance. So what if you inject heroin in your arm? You know good and well what you're doing, and what the consequences may be. It's your body --- Do what you want with it.

I'm for complete religious tolerance. This means that there is to be no persecution of any one for their beliefs. It's just flat-out ridiculous to hit somebody for believing in something that you don't. It is, however, okay to hit said person if they start being obnoxious and insulting.

These are just some of my views on things. I'm sure there are a few people here who'd agree with me on these things, just as there are equally as many here who wouldn't.

Oh Kervoskia try.. www.politicalcompass.org ... to figure out where you stand economicaly.

Look at the political compass. Or better yet, take the test. Maybe you'll learn something about yourself? :p
You will find me on the NS chart somewhere onthe bottom left.
you'll find most people there - myself included :)

(liberal, in answer to your question, btw)

I took the test a while back, but I am skepitcal about such tests. My numbers were:
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00
Economic Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.65
Although, I do think thats correct.
Excellent! It's always nice to meet another socialist. :)

I'm Far-Right.

for one thing an anarch-communist is an oxymoron

Excellent! It's always nice to meet another socialist. :)
Why thank you. However, I am constantly torn between what I want and what can work. For example I think anarcho-socialism is a splendid idea, but is seems too idealistic. Anarcho-capitalism seesm nice but it too is also idealistic. Thats why I like socialism, it works.

I'm very far left. I promote all social freedoms, and most economic freedoms.

However, the economy should be controlled in some ways, like imports. Some imports should definately be controlled to help some of our manufacturing industries (read: fall of the American steel industry). For controlling the economy, that's about it.

I'd legalize any and all drugs if I had the chance. So what if you inject heroin in your arm? You know good and well what you're doing, and what the consequences may be. It's your body --- Do what you want with it.

I'm for complete religious tolerance. This means that there is to be no persecution of any one for their beliefs. It's just flat-out ridiculous to hit somebody for believing in something that you don't. It is, however, okay to hit said person if they start being obnoxious and insulting.

These are just some of my views on things. I'm sure there are a few people here who'd agree with me on these things, just as there are equally as many here who wouldn't.
It appears we share the many of the same views.

for one thing an anarch-communist is an oxymoron

here we go again...

anarcho-communist is not an oxy-moron since the main goal of communism is ultimatley the withering away of the government.

for one thing an anarch-communist is an oxymoron
Read and learn. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism)

It appears we share the many of the same views.


Finally, somebody who can think straight.

The way I see it is that a global economy is very good. However, we are not yet ready for it, although our corporations try to brainwash us into thinking we are, just so they can import extremely cheap foreign labor and skyrocket the prices of goods for massive profit margins.

A global economy needs to be eased in, not greased in. We're not even close to being ready; no nation is. We need import protection laws to keep our manufacturing industries going strong, and we need a high minimum wage law for foreign labor (about $30 an hour is a good bet, and would make any corporation shudder at the thought of "exporting America").

Okay, I decided to take the quiz. I got Economic Left/Right -7.75 and Social Libertiarian/Authoritarian -0.21.

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Hmmm. From that I derive that I am liberal.

for one thing an anarch-communist is an oxymoron

You must not know much about socialism, in particular anarchism, then.

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Hmmm. From that I derive that I am liberal.

more like a Socialist.

Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.87

No idea how accurate that is, though.

Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.87

No idea how accurate that is, though.

eww get away from me!!!

jk lol :D

Economic Left/Right: 4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

Woops, forgot to post my Political Compass stats.

Economic Left/Right: -7.51
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.81


Needless to say, I'm extremely far-lower left, although the Political Compass isn't deep enough to show my true political ideals.

none
but i did the test once and a cpu can not and will not give(translate) my stances(nuances)....

hahahaha! i'm extremely fascist and extremely communist. i always thought fascism was right wing and communism left wing.

-2 & -4 something, a.k.a. libertarian

I'm very far left. I promote all social freedoms, and most economic freedoms.

This is an oxymoron. You cannot be "far left" and "support most economic freedoms". Please don't buy that type of rediculous bullshit. Sounds like you are centrist, or libertarian.

I'm both socially and economically very libertarian (in both Party and philosophy).

I wouldn't call that a libertarian, more like a liberal, but don't cling to labels and I'm talking to the person with -2 and -4.
I think that there should be a minimum wage. People need to have a living wage so they can for one live and be healthy and two be productive. What is your view on welfare?

hahahaha! i'm extremely fascist and extremely communist. i always thought fascism was right wing and communism left wing.
do you mean labels? if then beware. i know (hence)"communists" who are more nationalist than fascists...and fascists who are not this (hence)fascists....

do you mean labels? if then beware. i know (hence)"communists" who are more nationalist than fascists...and fascists who are not this (hence)fascists....
A very good point. It is safer to say that their views are such and such rather than they are such and such.

A very good point. It is safer to say that their views are such and such rather than they are such and such.

:) :) :)
people believe only what they want to believe
. :p

it's fine, if you can't provide for yourself

:) :) :)
people believe only what they whant to. :p
yep. Could you not say that this Red State-Blue State nonsense in US is casuing ideology, or at least spreading it? Because you're giving the connotation that people heer are this and people there are that, and they believe it so much that it causes division.

This is an oxymoron. You cannot be "far left" and "support most economic freedoms". Please don't buy that type of rediculous bullshit.

sure you can. 'the rightful owners of capital can do pretty much whatever they like with it' is absolutely compatible with the most hardline communism possible. you shouldn't buy into the stupid loaded terms pushed by capitalists' spin doctors.

I'm very far left. I promote all social freedoms, and most economic freedoms.

-snip-
That doesn't make you far left (i.e. communist), it makes you a libertarian (which is right-wing).

But your economic score of -7.51 sounds like you answered most of the questions with economically restrictive answers.

However, with -9.81 on social score, you are the most socially libertarian on NS!

yep. Could you not say that this Red State-Blue State nonsense in US is casuing ideology,
what ideology? business?



or at least spreading it? Because you're giving the connotation that people heer are this and people there are that, and they believe it so much that it causes division.
no(hence cause) division, only we live in a fuckin grey world.but it is only relative to me

However, with -9.81 on social score, you are the most socially libertarian on NS!
Keruvalia got beaten!
:eek:

Of course I'm the most socially Libertarian here. I always am, no matter where I go (public or a forum). Do whatever the hell you want with your body; it's not harming me. Marry somebody of the same sex. Go nude in public. Things like this aren't gonna hurt anybody.

I am economically restrictive, but only really in the Political Compass' terms. It just doesn't have enough economic questions to show where I really stand. If it had an adequate amount, I'd say it'd be +5.20, rather than -7.51. I support a free market, but I do however support certain restrictions for trade (to keep our manufacturing industry going), along with very restrictive laws for foreign labor (to keep our corporations from screwing us with extremely cheap, exported foreign labor and ten-fold price inflation).

It's quite strange. I thought there'd be a lot more questions in the Economic part of the test. Anyway, I'm not really that far left, economically.

'the rightful owners of capital can do pretty much whatever they like with it' is absolutely compatible with the most hardline communism possible.
That's hillarious. If by "rightful owners" you mean state, than I'm with you all the way.

I'm a Libertarian Communist. I strongly believe in social and political freedoms while being opposed to all forms of free enterprise.

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03

do you mean labels? if then beware. i know (hence)"communists" who are more nationalist than fascists...and fascists who are not this (hence)fascists....

well, this is what i got:
Economic Left/Right: -7.85
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.68

That's hillarious. If by "rightful owners" you mean state, than I'm with you all the way.

ain't no state under communism, so probably not. but if it were the case that the state was the rightful owner of capital, how would it be an example of unfree-ness for the state to decide how that capital was used?

for the most part, 'economic freedom' is a dummy concept. has no meaning or use other than to poison the debate.

well, this is what i got:
Economic Left/Right: -7.85
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.68

holy shit! looky here everybody, its a stalinist.

holy shit! looky here everybody, its a stalinist.

lmao

I took the test a while ago, I lean to the extreme left economically, I support a centralised economy, no compromises and the political freedoms of the bourgeoisie and the petty-bourgeoisie should be suppressed.

I lean to the centre left socially, I am extremely in favour of gay rights because homosexuality is a civil rights issue which has for too long been left in the dark and supporting it wouldn't harm anybody, the notion that it would erode the foundations of a decent society is nothing but empty, sentimental rhetoric from conservatives who have never touched a sociology book in their life, I also think racial minorities deserve more support, they might be fifty times better off than gay people, but there's still room for improvement, prisons need to be less rough too. Too many prisons have an internal gang culture which needs to be stopped if there' is any hope to rehabilitate criminals. I would also like to see the government take a stand to increase the public's understanding of people with mental illnesses. Free speech is fine and dandy but if there is any liable or slander, particularly with regards to racial or sexual minorities or for the sake of pushing a reactionary agenda, it shouldn't be tolerated.

On the other hand I support the death penalty for repeat offenders (trying too hard to rehabilitate criminals is a waste of money that could be much better spent), I'm against abortion and I'm not COMPLETELY anti-war. I'm also not sure if religious discrimination should really be a civil rights issue, religion unlike race and sexual orientation is actually a choice and the individual should therefore be held accountable, that's not to say that religious groups should be systematically persecuted but if their beliefs are inconsistent with that of an egalitarian system then they're just going to have to deal with it. This last social stance I take is authoritarian but for left wing purposes... I think more environmental abuses need to be punished with prison sentences and in the worst cases, death sentences.

Yeah, I know, all idealistic but a pleasant thought none the less.

Further explain your ideas. They seem to be ont he authoritarian side.

this was surprising to me...

Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.33


According to this, i am alot more moderate than i believe, but this test is exceedingly narrow in it's scope. There is more to life than agreeing and disagreeing, there are often extenuating circumstances.

I took the test a while ago, I lean to the extreme left economically, I support a centralised economy, no compromises and the political freedoms of the bourgeoisie and the petty-bourgeoisie should be suppressed.

I lean to the centre left socially, I am extremely in favour of gay rights because homosexuality is a civil rights issue which has for too long been left in the dark and supporting it wouldn't harm anybody, the notion that it would erode the foundations of a decent society is nothing but empty, sentimental rhetoric from conservatives who have never touched a sociology book in their life, I also think racial minorities deserve more support, they might be fifty times better off than gay people, but there's still room for improvement, prisons need to be less rough too. Too many prisons have an internal gang culture which needs to be stopped if there' is any hope to rehabilitate criminals. I would also like to see the government take a stand to increase the public's understanding of people with mental illnesses. Free speech is fine and dandy but if there is any liable or slander, particularly with regards to racial or sexual minorities or for the sake of pushing a reactionary agenda, it shouldn't be tolerated.

On the other hand I support the death penalty for repeat offenders (trying too hard to rehabilitate criminals is a waste of money that could be much better spent), I'm against abortion and I'm not COMPLETELY anti-war. I'm also not sure if religious discrimination should really be a civil rights issue, religion unlike race and sexual orientation is actually a choice and the individual should therefore be held accountable, that's not to say that religious groups should be systematically persecuted but if their beliefs are inconsistent with that of an egalitarian system then they're just going to have to deal with it. This last social stance I take is authoritarian but for left wing purposes... I think more environmental abuses need to be punished with prison sentences and in the worst cases, death sentences.

Yeah, I know, all idealistic but a pleasant thought none the less.

isagree for the most part economically, but socially, im a little more right of you. I do beleive homsexuality is a decision. I honestly believe that noone is born that way (or straight for that matter, it all depends on stimiulus IMO). I also believe that no ethnic majority or minority should be given preferential treatment. Make people equal, but don;t give minorities an advantage. I've had a black person get the job i wanted when i was more qualified because they had to meet a racial quota (i know i was more qualified because the person in questiuon was my best friend.) But i didn't put up a fuss. I just think it is wrong that there should be a stepping ladder for minorities (blacks in particular, i don;t see many Asian-americans getting help from the gvt. That is whay i am a big supporter of conservative bake sales. It actually shows people how the governemnt treats different races.

For those of you who don;t understand what i am talking about here it is.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20030226.shtml


Blacks: $.50
Latinos $.75

I get their point. But the thing with Reagan on the side scared the hell out of me.

What are you politically. I have many libertarian views but am not sure what I am economically.
Why don't you just take a look at the NS Political Compass composite, which was wonderfully put together by Swimmingpool. It accurately shows everyone's political leanings.

Quasi-Libertarian.

http://www.iol.ie/~roto/nspolc2.jpg


here's a link to the older NS political compass chart.

What are you politically. I have many libertarian views but am not sure what I am economically.


I am politically incorrect.

You are a blue-tard.

Signed
-Church, Griff, Sargent Dude.

I'm politically a centrist, mostly. I'm pro-environment, pro-choice, anti-affirmative action, anti-welfare (or at least in favor of major welfare reforms to prevent slackers from abusing it).

Socially libertarian, I guess. I like the government staying out of our private lives, I favor unrestricted (or only lightly restricted) gun ownership, though I choose not to own one myself. On the other hand, I also favor some gun control measures, such as the mandatory cool-down period.

Economically liberal (I favor taxes and some taxpayer-funded social programs).

All in all, I consider myself a moderate centrist, possibly slightly left-leaning.

ain't no state under communism, so probably not. but if it were the case that the state was the rightful owner of capital, how would it be an example of unfree-ness for the state to decide how that capital was used?

for the most part, 'economic freedom' is a dummy concept. has no meaning or use other than to poison the debate.
You didn't get the joke. I meant, communism, being a utopian pie-in-the-sky dream, eventually here in the real world you're going to have to submit all of your propoerty (including your self--ownership) to the new state.
Now, since I know you and you know me, we could go on back and forth forever about this... let's not.
I respect your idealism, as much as you should respect my own (like the LP has a chance at winning the executive seat someday :p ).

Some dreams just don't die.

Somewhat centrist by the test standards.. Usually I vary from centre to +5 on both accounts.

I've taken the test before, my last results were...

Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

I guess that makes me a Libertarian.

If I were old enough to join a party it would be Republican, but progressive, not at all like the Bush administration.

I don't usually like my political compas results, I'm socially libertarian and economically centrist, put for some reason the compass always puts me at negative on economics. Basically I just want capitalism with reasonable regulations like a minimum wage and environmental controls.

Oh well, not sure what category I would fit in, as I am far left on social issues, centrist on economic issues, and far right in terms of political rights. Not sure if there is any sort of group that argues for that mix of positions.

for one thing an anarch-communist is an oxymoron
Read this and learn a bit more.
Anarchist FAQ (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/)

Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.87

No idea how accurate that is, though.

I'm further right than Roach-Busters, OMG what is going on.

J/k, Its not bad to be right wing.

Anyway, my score is in my signature, but I'll put it here anyway:

Economic: 9.88
Social: 3.54

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Anarch-communistic, huh? Well, at least I have some idea how I might be labeled now.

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

Economic -7.12
Social -5.54

I used to think I was really far left, until I started on NS. But I guess that's because compared to the people living around me I'm really far left. I've lived in the Bible Belt most of my life.

I took the test a while back, but I am skepitcal about such tests. My numbers were:
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00
Economic Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.65
Although, I do think thats correct.

No insult, but how can you use the word libertarian with a -8.65 economically?...it just seems inconceivable.

I'm 5 for economic freedom...I trust the free-market (when it's void of corporate welfare/favors)...In other words, I'm an idealist libertarian, who understands it's not that way. I wish it wasn't, so I wouldn't have to hear so many people say 'that's capitalism'...because it's not. It's Capitalism with a mix of Fascism. And I do believe we can exist without Fascism,...as we did prior to the 1830's.

I'm -2 for social freedom...I'm very neutral on gay marriage. I could careless what happens with it. I don't believe marriage should be by the state, so I don't think it's a 'right'. I'm neutral on abortion, but I lean both ways. The first three months it's protoplasm (despite the religious thoughts), and after that I can understand the arguement. I think all drugs should be legal. I believe everyone owns their body and could do anything with it.

Overall
I think spending should be limited to defense and law and order. I believe that any other program should be voluntary and contractual. That the Constitution should be taken within it's grammar and context. That America would experience true freedom in both their lives, and their pockets.

A classic liberal sort.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92

No insult, but how can you use the word libertarian with a -8.65 economically?...it just seems inconceivable.

Various people on this thread have posted links on Anarcho-Communism.

My advice to you is, if you want to know how; read the links. ;)

Various people on this thread have posted links on Anarcho-Communism.

My advice to you is, if you want to know how; read the links. ;)

Anarcho-communism is nothing like libertarianism. If anything, it would require an economically authoritarian government.

Anarcho-communism is nothing like libertarianism. If anything, it would require an economically authoritarian government.

Anarchism is a form of libertarianism (but not Libertarian, as in the US party). Where I live it is effectively a synonym for it (which is why I usually say I am libertarian rather then use the 'A' word).

And as much as I would love to debate the "it would require an economically authoritarian government" part because:
1. I don't really want to hijack this thread. (Create another one if you want)
2. I have got to go soon and get back to work for an essay.

:)

economically authoritarian government.

define your terms

Anarchism is a form of libertarianism (but not Libertarian, as in the US party). Where I live it is effectively a synonym for it (which is why I usually say I am libertarian rather then use the 'A' word).

And as much as I would love to debate the "it would require an economically authoritarian government" part because:
1. I don't really want to hijack this thread. (Create another one if you want)
2. I have got to go soon and get back to work for an essay.

:)

I know what you are going to say. So let me go ahead and say this, in the initial stages of an anarcho-communist plan, there would need to be several generations worth of aclimation to the system. During this time, it would be necessary for the government to impose a large system of wealth redistribution. The government would be forced to regulate the free market through ownership of corporations. That means for a great deal of time, the government would be forced to be economically authoritarian.

Now, under the ideal anarcho-communism it would be the perfect libertarian system. But the ideal anarcho-communism is a pipe-dream in my opinion.

I know what you are going to say. So let me go ahead and say this, in the initial stages of an anarcho-communist plan, there would need to be several generations worth of aclimation to the system. During this time, it would be necessary for the government to impose a large system of wealth redistribution. The government would be forced to regulate the free market through ownership of corporations. That means for a great deal of time, the government would be forced to be economically authoritarian.

Now, under the ideal anarcho-communism it would be the perfect libertarian system. But the ideal anarcho-communism is a pipe-dream in my opinion.

Really? Prey tell how various Anarcho-Communist communities have managed not to go through this period of "economically authoritarian government."

Really? Prey tell how various Anarcho-Communist communities have managed not to go through this period of "economically authoritarian government."

Prey tell what Anarcho-Communist countries exist. I will look at them and give you an honest opinion of what I think.

To whoever asked me that question about libertarian views. I am a social libertarian and am tryign to figure out what works economically so I just put what I would like to happen.

Various people on this thread have posted links on Anarcho-Communism.

My advice to you is, if you want to know how; read the links. ;)

I understand the concept, but I think that word should never be distorted.


libertarian: One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.

holy shit! looky here everybody, its a stalinist.
Damn straight, we finally have one!

Socially, I'm liberal through and through. Economically, I'm all over the place given the context. Sometimes I'm a Libertarian, sometimes I'm a Socialist. Depends on how cloudy it is that day.

I swear the only posters I have had a decent conversation about communism and anarchy is AnarchyeL and Sinuhue.

Why do ridiculous topics such as religion, racism, and George Bush that dissolve into snide remarks and no points wind on for 20 pages. Yet, a conversation actually about government and economics dies immediately.

Yo all. I'm a very liberal communist with social issues but against free market and like a heavily controlled economy. I swing between Democratic Socialism and communism though and tend to think that the people as a whole should choose how they want their lives governed or not governed.

(-9.75 // -8.88)

Yo all. I'm a very liberal communist with social issues but against free market and like a heavily controlled economy. I swing between Democratic Socialism and communism though and tend to think that the people as a whole should choose how they want their lives governed or not governed.

(-9.75 // -8.88)

How do you reconcile that last sentence with an authoritarian economic government.

How do you reconcile that last sentence with an authoritarian economic government.

You’re right, that doesn’t quite make sense :) . I mean that I value democracy over a rigid uncompromising system, so things should change if people want them to (economics).

Why do ridiculous topics such as religion, racism, and George Bush that dissolve into snide remarks and no points wind on for 20 pages. Yet, a conversation actually about government and economics dies immediately.

Those first topics drive our emotions (with a focus on the subjective), and the second topics are filled with rationality (with the focus on the proven). The subjective conversation can expand endlessly, while the rational is clear, and reduceable.

Damn straight, we finally have one!
:eek:
Where?
Can I... can I...
Touch it?

You'll have to pay...

Those first topics drive our emotions (with a focus on the subjective), and the second topics are filled with rationality (with the focus on the proven). The subjective conversation can expand endlessly, while the rational is clear, and reduceable.

I understand that, but I would figure that, on a website devoted to the maintaining of a governmental system, that rational discussions on governmental topics would be easier to come by.

I guess I will just sit back until the next Jesussaves thread.

Further explain your ideas. They seem to be ont he authoritarian side.

They are, but that wouldn't make it a bad system. There's nothing wrong with the government punishing crimes that are in most Western democracies, considered to be okay just as long as those crimes have negative consequences on other people. I'm sorry if you don't like them, as with so many other people today, anyone who doesn't hold the view that freedom for everyone to do and say what they want is considered to be some sort of bigot. I want a humanitarian government dedicated to social justice and taking care of our planet, not a libertarian government dedicated to rewarding those who dedicate their lives to self-service and prioritising freedom of speech for the mainstream populace above the rights of minorities not to have to be criticised for their race or sexual orientation. People should be judged on the content of their character, not their ethnic origin or which way their hormones lean.

If that makes me authoritarian then so be it.

holy shit! looky here everybody, its a stalinist.

i didn't know who he was till you said that and i looked him up. seems like a pretty good guy. i'd like being in a country under his rule, why's everyone say he's so bad?

i didn't know who he was till you said that and i looked him up. seems like a pretty good guy. i'd like being in a country under his rule, why's everyone say he's so bad?
Ever hear of his massive purges? The gulags?

Oh, and I'm libertarian

Ever hear of his massive purges? The gulags?

Oh, and I'm libertarian

read about those in that, he killed his competitors while he was in power, how's that bad? i can see how later killing all the fellow members of his party was dishonourable, but the rest seems pretty ok.

read about those in that, he killed his competitors while he was in power, how's that bad? i can see how later killing all the fellow members of his party was dishonourable, but the rest seems pretty ok.
Killing everybody who disagrees is okay?
:confused:

They are, but that wouldn't make it a bad system. There's nothing wrong with the government punishing crimes that are in most Western democracies, considered to be okay just as long as those crimes have negative consequences on other people. I'm sorry if you don't like them, as with so many other people today, anyone who doesn't hold the view that freedom for everyone to do and say what they want is considered to be some sort of bigot. I want a humanitarian government dedicated to social justice and taking care of our planet, not a libertarian government dedicated to rewarding those who dedicate their lives to self-service and prioritising freedom of speech for the mainstream populace above the rights of minorities not to have to be criticised for their race or sexual orientation. People should be judged on the content of their character, not their ethnic origin or which way their hormones lean.

If that makes me authoritarian then so be it.
I never said it was a bad system did I?

I'm Libritarian Socialist, halfway to both ends. I'm a follower of the Liberal Party of Canada.

In America we have only two major parties.

In America we have only two major parties.
Unfortunately...
:(

Look at the political compass. Or better yet, take the test. Maybe you'll learn something about yourself? :p
You will find me on the NS chart somewhere onthe bottom left. :p
Yeah, I took it, and I'm on the bottom left as well.

I understand that, but I would figure that, on a website devoted to the maintaining of a governmental system, that rational discussions on governmental topics would be easier to come by.

I guess I will just sit back until the next Jesussaves thread.

It's just like the real world...many times, no one really wants to get anything done, they just want to spout off their opinions. When it comes to actually stating the facts that back their assertions, they run back to their 'morals' and opinions.

I like the circus, though. Clowns will always be needed.

I'm Libritarian Socialist

They have a name for this baffling contradiction in terms... a liberal.

They have a name for this baffling contradiction in terms... a liberal.

A Libertarian Socialist is not a contradiction in terms...