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What is it with you people and religion?

Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:12
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...
Buechoria
20-02-2005, 21:14
Amen to that! (no pun intended)
Saxnot
20-02-2005, 21:15
but not here. That's worse than religion in terms of mindless threads. We should just talk about sandwiches inanely until we all die.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-02-2005, 21:16
Unfortunately, Religion is political. The two, even when separated, are so hopelessly similar in so many respects that one always leads back to the other.

But take heart. There's sports. We can still discuss sports. :)
Silly Sharks
20-02-2005, 21:16
I think the problem is n00bs who just come straight on and make the thread.
Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:18
When I said politics, I was being ironic. These Anti-Bush threads are just as fustraiting as the religious ones. Talk about whatever you want, don't just turn your posts into a flame war.
Engineering chaos
20-02-2005, 21:20
Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?


I disagree. I true athiest would respond: "God?! wtf. who the hell is that then?"

A true athiest never thinks of God
Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:23
I disagree. I true athiest would respond: "God?! wtf. who the hell is that then?"

A true athiest never thinks of God

Such crude minds :headbang: ...
Keruvalia
20-02-2005, 21:23
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God?

You forgot scenario three and four:

Some randomn poster: Why do people start all these threads on religion?!

Atheist/Theist/Agnostic: You're right! We shall stop speaking about one of mankind's oldest institutions.

Or the final scenario:

Some random poster thinks about how they are tired of all the threads about religion, so decides not to start one of their own.
Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:26
You forgot scenario three and four:

Some randomn poster: Why do people start all these threads on religion?!

Atheist/Theist/Agnostic: You're right! We shall stop speaking about one of mankind's oldest institutions.

Or the final scenario:

Some random poster thinks about how they are tired of all the threads about religion, so decides not to start one of their own.
Really? Then why does this 'come get me psuedo-Christians' thread have over 12 hundred replies? Scenario 5 doesn't matter anyway, because its the ones who DO start the threads that I care about. Number 4 is wishful thinking, and I've yet to see a post like mine yet on this board, and I'm here on and off most days.
The Christian Republic
20-02-2005, 21:28
Atheism is a disease of intellectual elitism, it is a disgusting affliction of the mind usually rendering the host open to regressive ideas such as Libertarianism and Anarhco-Capitalism. Like all diseases, Atheism needs to be fought, and that's exactly what we should do. RELIGION STRIKES BACK!
Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:30
Atheism is a disease of intellectual elitism, it is a disgusting affliction of the mind usually rendering the host open to regressive ideas such as Libertarianism and Anarhco-Capitalism. Like all diseases, Atheism needs to be fought, and that's exactly what we should do. RELIGION STRIKES BACK!
You see, if an athiest said that about Christians, you'd be tearing them to shreds in seconds. Please, you bloody extremists are destroying our culture.
Nadkor
20-02-2005, 21:31
You forgot scenario three and four:

Some randomn poster: Why do people start all these threads on religion?!

Atheist/Theist/Agnostic: You're right! We shall stop speaking about one of mankind's oldest institutions.

Or the final scenario:

Some random poster thinks about how they are tired of all the threads about religion, so decides not to start one of their own.
im liking option 4....
Keruvalia
20-02-2005, 21:31
Really? Then why does this 'come get me psuedo-Christians' thread have over 12 hundred replies?

I dunno. I'm smart enough to not click on it. If I don't want to read something, I don't. Novel idea, eh?

Scenario 5 doesn't matter anyway, because its the ones who DO start the threads that I care about. Number 4 is wishful thinking, and I've yet to see a post like mine yet on this board, and I'm here on and off most days.

The point is, your post is self-defeating. It's like calling someone on the phone just to tell them you don't ever want to talk to them again. Why make the call in the first place?

Clue #1: If you don't like all the threads about religion, don't read them.

Clue #2: If you don't like all the threads about religion, don't make a thread calling attention to all the threads about religion.

Just let it go. Let others talk about what they want and you can do the same.
Grarap
20-02-2005, 21:33
I dunno. I'm smart enough to not click on it. If I don't want to read something, I don't. Novel idea, eh?



The point is, your post is self-defeating. It's like calling someone on the phone just to tell them you don't ever want to talk to them again. Why make the call in the first place?

Clue #1: If you don't like all the threads about religion, don't read them.

Clue #2: If you don't like all the threads about religion, don't make a thread calling attention to all the threads about religion.

Just let it go. Let others talk about what they want and you can do the same.
Fair enough, I see that I have been defeated...
The Christian Republic
20-02-2005, 21:39
Atheists give as good as they get as far as I'm concerned.
Jurian States
20-02-2005, 21:42
Grarap has a point about most of the religious threads, it can be applied to threads made on other boards. The problem is most of the people post these threads are hypocrites, (just read some of threads to see what I mean,) and they perfer to generalize groups based on the actions of a few or a single event.

Hey I respect someone belief in no god or in a non-Christian God(s), what I don't respect is when people start bashing others because of their faith or lack there of.
Keruvalia
20-02-2005, 21:56
Atheism is a disease

You think they could make a patch or a cream for it?
Mt-Tau
20-02-2005, 21:59
You think they could make a patch or a cream for it?

LMAO!
Vaelon
20-02-2005, 21:59
Atheism is a disease of intellectual elitism, it is a disgusting affliction of the mind usually rendering the host open to regressive ideas such as Libertarianism and Anarhco-Capitalism. Like all diseases, Atheism needs to be fought, and that's exactly what we should do. RELIGION STRIKES BACK!


Want to buy me some Preparation H for my atheism hemherroids?
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 22:02
If atheism is a disease then religion is the plague. You see, it only needs one or two people to spread, then everyone around that one or two people are infected. And it's so easy to do to.
People need something to believe in, that's why there are so many religious fanatics out there. They just can't cope with the fact that there might not really be a God/gods out there.
On the other hand, the atheists believe that there's nothing out there to believe in.
Vaelon
20-02-2005, 22:06
For the Monistic: You all run the risk of being wrong. Wouldn't it be irony if we found out those dreaded Anglicans were right and everyone else was wrong? (Or for the Anglicans, change Anglicans to Mormons)

For the Atheist: You all run the risk of eternal damnation in all but one instance. The odds really aren't on your side.

For the Agnostic: You've got the best odds out of any, you're open to anything until your death. Maybe everyone gets a deathbed revelation and all the Agnostics go for it because its the most proof they've had of anything in all the years of their life. As far as those left when the earth gets shat on by a meteor, you're eternity may suck for being Agnostic but at least you were open minded.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 22:16
Good point, but if there is no Hell, then we don't run the risk of enternal damnation.
The Christian Republic
20-02-2005, 22:30
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!
Terran Empire
20-02-2005, 22:35
What if every one was wrong.... what if we are like specs on a neutron/electron/proton, what I mean is what if space and every thing we’ve come to know is just one small atom and there are other atoms, other universes, and those atoms come together and form other solid forms that its just a loop that when you reach the limit its like looking into a mirror, what if there is a universe so much bigger than us we cannot comprehend its mere existence, and maybe every one is wrong and what we do in this lifetime or any life time has no real affect in the long run because, what good will it come to a larger universe that if one world inside a proton were to be blown up, and what if the same goes for a universe so much smaller that we cannot comprehend its existence either, and the only reason we cannot find it with neutron microscopes is because they are smaller than neutrons…what if…man….?

I gotta lay off the weed…
Keruvalia
20-02-2005, 22:35
For the Monistic: You all run the risk of being wrong. Wouldn't it be irony if we found out those dreaded Anglicans were right and everyone else was wrong? (Or for the Anglicans, change Anglicans to Mormons)


Nah ... not really. If I stand before the Almighty and it turns out to have been some bizarre version of Jesus all along, I'd simply say, "Well, you shouldn't have given me Free Will, putz. Now point the way to Hell. I got friends waiting."
Keruvalia
20-02-2005, 22:35
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!


I'm sorry, but you will never be able to compete with Jesussaves.
Neo-Anarchists
20-02-2005, 22:45
Atheism is a disease of intellectual elitism, it is a disgusting affliction of the mind usually rendering the host open to regressive ideas such as Libertarianism and Anarhco-Capitalism. Like all diseases, Atheism needs to be fought, and that's exactly what we should do. RELIGION STRIKES BACK!
I like you, you're funny.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 22:50
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!


Ah... You're rage only makes my argument stronger. Come on, cuss at us atheists again, it's like wood for the fire.
Ya see, you're anger only proves that you've read my posts and it makes since to you. So you're mad that you even thought, for even a second, that I might be right.
It's so calming to know that I'm being heard.
Grarap
20-02-2005, 22:52
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!
And you think that this is going to get you into heaven? Personally, I'd like to see them spit on you in hell.
Rockness
20-02-2005, 22:52
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...


Pointless but fun.

Especially 'cause sometimes people do change their opinions.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 22:54
And you think that this is going to get you into heaven? Personally, I'd like to see them spit on you in hell.


Actually, if there is a hell, then the spit would burn up before it hit thier face.
Grarap
20-02-2005, 22:55
Actually, if there is a hell, then the spit would burn up before it hit thier face.
I don't know. Ask satan to do it for you.
Mt-Tau
20-02-2005, 22:57
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!

Hmm. You make a lousy christian, I thought you were supposed to show love and compation for your fellow man. Yet, all I see from you is hatred for those who do not share your faith or opinions. I think you fail to realize that you will never get anyone to see things from your viewpoint when you offend or threaten them.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 22:58
I don't know. Ask satan to do it for you.


I can't, he's not real. And besides he'd have too much fun doing it anyway. Although it might be kinda funny.
Suto ri
20-02-2005, 23:02
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...same thing with the BUSH SUCKS threads or the Homosexuals will take over the world threads or even the Repukicans vrs the Dumbercraps... it does get tiring here.
Swimmingpool
20-02-2005, 23:04
Unfortunately, Religion is political. The two, even when separated, are so hopelessly similar in so many respects that one always leads back to the other.
Really? Funny thing, we don't have that problem in most of Europe.
Rockness
20-02-2005, 23:05
And everyone always forgets the atheist religions. How about the Buddhists? Are they going to hell 'cause they don't believe in a god or is the fact that they have religion enough?

Why are there never any reasonable minded religious people in these debates?

Ah well...
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 23:05
Really? Funny thing, we don't have that problem in most of Europe.


Ya, but on a balance which would be heavier in Europe? Politics or Religion?
Pyromanstahn
20-02-2005, 23:10
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...

You're assuming that all atheists main point in arguing is to prove to Christians that God exists. It may be for some atheists, but not all. Myself, I argue because I believe very deeply that Christianity is damaging to society in the same way that Nazism is damaging to society. I feel that I can, and do make a difference when I argue.
I tend not to try to quote the Bible and prove that something it says is not true. I prefer to argue about the dangerous implications of believing certain things in the Bible.
Similary, most Christians that I respect tend not to espouse miracles and attack science, but remain in philisophical areas of debate.
Attacks on Christianity are only pointless if either:
a) Christianity is true or
b) It is impossible to 'deconvert' Christians from Christianity.
Since I don't believe a) and b) is clearly wrong since I have 'deconverted' one Christian and made many others question Christianity more I, and many atheists like me, have plenty of reason to argue.
Pyromanstahn
20-02-2005, 23:12
Atheists scum are the biggest load of fuckfaces the world has ever seen. Their evil satanic nature will be dealt with in time and their deaths will be celebrated worldwide. I hate Atheists, I wish every Atheist the best in the hellfire though!

DEATH TO ATHEISM!

And may your God bless you too.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 23:14
...and many atheists like me, have plenty of reason to argue.


I argue because I find christians to be retarded, bigotous, arrogent, self-absorbed idiots.
Nimzonia
20-02-2005, 23:15
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...

Don't be silly. Nobody who comes here seriously expects, or even entertains the belief, that they can change someone else's mind. Everyone just likes telling everyone else how stupid they are.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 23:16
Don't be silly. Nobody who comes here seriously expects, or even entertains the belief, that they can change someone else's mind. Everyone just likes telling everyone else how stupid they are.


Yep.
The Christian Republic
20-02-2005, 23:25
I argue because I find christians to be retarded, bigotous, arrogent, self-absorbed idiots.

And the hypocrisy rolled on as the Libertarian Atheists preached tolerance.
Technottoma
20-02-2005, 23:28
And the hypocrisy rolled on as the Libertarian Atheists preached tolerance.


That person that said you were funny was right, you are. I should've added that to my list:

retarded, bigotous, arrogent, self-absorbed, and funny!
Nimzonia
21-02-2005, 02:50
And the hypocrisy rolled on as the Libertarian Atheists preached tolerance.

To be quite frank; on the subject of tolerance, you should shut your face.
Raust
21-02-2005, 03:03
Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...

Religion is the worse kind of politics. The kind where fear of the unknown is pushed aside by people swearing that some supernatural all-powerful force will keep you conscious after all of your metabolic processes have stopped just as long as you place that individual upon a pedastal, allow the organization to make all your political decisions for you and define all others as evil by default.

As for your wonderous miracles. Most of them were written about the same time that people believed human queens were giving birth to half-man half-bull hybrids and that women with wild dogs for legs tore apart ships. All of it, hogwash.
Yupaenu
21-02-2005, 03:07
christian republic, i'd like to meet you somewhere, i'll bring my bow and a bunch of arrows, and you bring your fictional beliefs. i have a chance of dieing and nothing happening, and you stand the chance of dieing and all the bad stuff of your religion happening to you. and also me drawing and quartering you and displaying your entrails in the road as an example to other christians. i'll warn you, i'm not a bad shot either. mwuhuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahhahahahaha!
Vaelon
21-02-2005, 03:29
And everyone always forgets the atheist religions. How about the Buddhists? Are they going to hell 'cause they don't believe in a god or is the fact that they have religion enough?

Why are there never any reasonable minded religious people in these debates?

Ah well...

Oooh, if only a Mahayana Buddhist were here to see you type that! Mahayanas believe that Buddha was one of many Buddhas who are all diety like beings (read: gods) and the quest of life is to become a Buddha and enter into Nirvana. Common misconception though, most Buddhist sects are agnostic. Very few are outright atheistic.

From a Judaeo/Christian aspect though, they would be spending an eternity in Hell because they haven't accepted Jesus as their lord and savior.
JRV
21-02-2005, 03:48
Christian Republic:

Religion is a source of endless entertainment. Reading the Bible is certainly a good laugh (I’m sure it was always intended to be comical, it’s so cleverly written that some people just take it far too seriously…), and talking to a conservative Christian is something else altogether…
Zakinthos
21-02-2005, 03:51
Atheism is a disease of intellectual elitism, it is a disgusting affliction of the mind usually rendering the host open to regressive ideas such as Libertarianism and Anarhco-Capitalism. Like all diseases, Atheism needs to be fought, and that's exactly what we should do. RELIGION STRIKES BACK!

I would call religious fantascism and atheism diseases. Belive me, you deserve one another, one murdering sicko for another. You're both hypocritical in your "holier-than-thou" outlook on the world.
Jurian States
21-02-2005, 04:13
Why are there never any reasonable minded religious people in these debates?

First this is a generalization, and of course reasonable is subject to how you define it. For all anyone knows you could view anyone that is confident in his or her faith as unreasonable. So lets define reasonable as someone who is willing to listen to and debate with another that holds opposing views in a civil manner.

Going by that definition you will likely find most of these people responding to a religious at the beginning before the fanatical, reliougious nuts and the hypocritical, athiest jerks derail said threads into mindless idiocy. Of course quite a few reasonable minded religious people probably avoid said threads on larges sites, such as this one, like the plague.
Atheonesia
21-02-2005, 04:25
I would call religious fantascism and atheism diseases. Belive me, you deserve one another, one murdering sicko for another. You're both hypocritical in your "holier-than-thou" outlook on the world.

As an atheist I resent being lumped into a group of "holier-than-thou" asses. What everyone, atheistic, theist, agnostic, or whatever, needs to realize is that everyone has had different experiences in thier lives that have lead them to thier beliefs. These beleifs can very rarely be written off as ignorant idiocy. That is why we argue, to come to an understanding of the other person's beliefs and what lead them to those beliefs, and hopefully to impart some understanding of ourselves to them.
GoodThoughts
21-02-2005, 04:37
As an atheist I resent being lumped into a group of "holier-than-thou" asses. What everyone, atheistic, theist, agnostic, or whatever, needs to realize is that everyone has had different experiences in thier lives that have lead them to thier beliefs. These beleifs can very rarely be written off as ignorant idiocy. That is why we argue, to come to an understanding of the other person's beliefs and what lead them to those beliefs, and hopefully to impart some understanding of ourselves to them.

What's this a reasonable person on NS!!! From what I have seen all of the above are guilty of being judgemental and worse. We come to a place like to be able to share ideas. I saw someone post some else that there are no foreigners on the internet. I believe that wholeheartdly. We all have a right of post, as long as we follow some few rules of courtesy and good manners.
Vaelon
21-02-2005, 04:41
The Internet: Serious Business. :sniper:
BastardSword
21-02-2005, 04:49
Fair enough, I see that I have been defeated...
And in that Defeat, the Darkness rises within you.
Do you wish for power? (Grafh from Xenogears appears)
O Blossom, upon this fallen one, give the power of the gods to him, bring out his darkside! (close to his speach, but not eh)

Now you battle them using your newly gained Dark Jedi Mind powers. :)


But yeah sometimes Aethist seem to think about gods so much you'd wonder if it is a religion.

I've always wondered qhy people talk mostly about Monotheism, Polytheism, but never Henotheism(the belief system that the jews held before David and the the state Isreal)
Henotheism means one God above all others. It doesn't mean no other gods (they existed), but instead you can't woship them, only Heavenly Father.

Why do the other two beliefs get discussed more?
Blessed Assurance
21-02-2005, 04:59
Really? Funny thing, we don't have that problem in most of Europe.
This coming from ireland, the land of religious tolerance... Yea right
Atheonesia
21-02-2005, 05:41
I have an idea about why a lot of athesits write off religous people as ignorant sheep, and my idea is this: The atheist in question was raised in a religioous setting, and at some point in his/her early adulthood started to question his/her religious beliefs, and eventually came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and that there is no god. Because this person's questioning lead to disbelief he/she now assumes that everyone who believes in a god must have never questioned thier beliefs.
I do not claim that this applies to every atheist, I would, however like to here if people agree or disagree with my assesment.
If this applies to you, please realize the illogical reasoning you have applied, your experiences are not everyone else's. Most people question there beliefs, and just because some still believe does not make them stupid or ignorant. It makes them different.
UpwardThrust
21-02-2005, 05:52
I disagree. I true athiest would respond: "God?! wtf. who the hell is that then?"

A true athiest never thinks of God
Not believing != not knowing
Dragonmoth
21-02-2005, 05:52
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...

God doesn't hate gays and he pities atheists. The reason for this is gays can still believe in God, but atheists don't know the joy of this.

Matthew
Harlesburg
21-02-2005, 05:57
Every day another thread raises its ugly head, usually started by an athiest asking what the hell is up with God? Why does he hate gays and athiests, but loves sinners? Let me tell you, these topics are full of blasphemy to religions and are totally pointless in every way. This is how an athiest would like the argument to end.

Athiest: Look here, how can the Bible/Torah/Koran/Guru Granth Sahib/Dhama be true when (goes into complicated logical reasoning)?

Jew/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist/Zoroastrian: Wow, thats so true. Damn my ancient heratige! My mind is so much clearer now.

That scenario isn't any more likely than this one:

Religious guy/gal/generqueer: But God is infinate, so its impossible to use scientific reaoning against him. How does science explain (tells of wonderous miracles).

Athiest: Praise the Lord! I can't explain that, so it must be true. Give me the number of your nearest Church/Synagogue/Mosqe/Temple.

Religion is something most people will never change their minds on. Arguments on God in this forum are just two fanatics raving at each other, waiting for the other to give up. You're all waisting your time. Wait until you die to find out the truth. Enjoy life whilst you can. Do something that you CAN make a difference in. Politics for example...
he he its so true
UpwardThrust
21-02-2005, 05:58
God doesn't hate gays and he pities atheists. The reason for this is gays can still believe in God, but atheists don't know the joy of this.

Matthew
Fitting because a lot of them pitty believers as well
HadesRulesMuch
21-02-2005, 06:00
The best part of this thread is that even after Grarap admits that it defeats his purpose to make this post, people STILL KEEP POSTING IN IT! Christ! Let it die! ARGH!
UpwardThrust
21-02-2005, 06:02
The best part of this thread is that even after Grarap admits that it defeats his purpose to make this post, people STILL KEEP POSTING IN IT! Christ! Let it die! ARGH!
Why would I care if he defeted his own purpose ... his purpose was not mine so as long as there still is something to comment on...
Bitchkitten
21-02-2005, 06:53
I don't believe that there's a big man in the sky or any such nonsense, but one can't prove a negative. Responsible use of religion never hurt anybody, but there are several nuts on NS that hardly fall in that catagory.(ya'll all know who I'm talking about) Fanatics of any sort should probably be heavily medicated. And kept away from the rest of us.
Atheonesia
21-02-2005, 07:07
Fanatics of any sort should probably be heavily medicated. And kept away from the rest of us.
Sounds a little fanatical don't you think?
Vaelon
21-02-2005, 07:11
God doesn't hate gays and he pities atheists. The reason for this is gays can still believe in God, but atheists don't know the joy of this.

Matthew

Threadstarter was simply using that as a rhetorical question that may be asked in one of these many threads. I'm sure he didn't mean it to be explicit truth.

For the record (I know the Christians should know this): The Christian god doesn't hate gays, he hates homosexuality because it is a sin and goes against the laws laid down in Leviticus that were not made invalid by the word of Jesus in the New Testament.
Vaelon
21-02-2005, 07:12
Sounds a little fanatical don't you think?

::medicates Bitchkitten and The Christian Republic::

I think we're safe.
Terran Empire
21-02-2005, 21:56
I already posted this but i will do it again.


What if every one was wrong.... what if we are like specs on a neutron/electron/proton, what I mean is what if space and every thing we’ve come to know is just one small atom and there are other atoms, other universes, and those atoms come together and form other solid forms that its just a loop that when you reach the limit its like looking into a mirror, what if there is a universe so much bigger than us we cannot comprehend its mere existence, and maybe every one is wrong and what we do in this lifetime or any life time has no real affect in the long run because, what good will it come to a larger universe that if one world inside a proton were to be blown up, and what if the same goes for a universe so much smaller that we cannot comprehend its existence either, and the only reason we cannot find it with neutron microscopes is because they are smaller than neutrons…what if…man….?

I gotta lay off the weed…