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I just wanted a forum where we can share our praise reports and testamonies how God has changed our lives...we don't have to be the minority....even in cyberspace!

Oh....so us Muslims aren't invited then?

I hope I can speak for the rest of the Atheists on the forum that we wish you luck and we DO NOT plan to crash yoru forum. Everyone, please tell me you agree...

wel...from what i know, Allah is the same being as God, so i guess Muslims are welcome?

Islamic Allah and Christian/Jewish God are not the same...Islam is more related to other middle eastern ancient religions...there are clear differences...Islam borrowed some stories from the Hebrew Old Testament.....but are you welcome...of course....we can discuss our faiths

wel...from what i know, Allah is the same being as God, so i guess Muslims are welcome?

Allah is Arabic for God. There is no God (Allah) but God (Allah) and Mohmmad is His Prophet.

As long as it's open minded and comes with free refreshments I'm all for it!

Islamic Allah and Christian/Jewish God are not the same...Islam is more related to other middle eastern ancient religions...there are clear differences...Islam borrowed some stories from the Hebrew Old Testament.....but are you welcome...of course....we can discuss our faiths
well...having spoken to severeal Muslim friends in the past, i get the impression that the Muslim Allah and the Jewish/Christian God are one and the same, with the major difference between Islam and Christianity being that Muslims believe that Jesus was merely a prophet

of course, i may be completely wrong

i am a biblical studies major and i have studied the topic....they seem very close...but there were many like religions in the ancient days.....what makes them clearly different is their like stories...they are contradictary....so muslims out there....you are very close....keep searching....so very close...John 3:16

Islamic Allah and Christian/Jewish God are not the same...Islam is more related to other middle eastern ancient religions...there are clear differences...Islam borrowed some stories from the Hebrew Old Testament.....but are you welcome...of course....we can discuss our faiths

I'm sorry but you have your facts wrong. Islam did not borrow stories. Have you ever read any of the Qura'n? If not here is a little something for you.

When the angel said, 'O Mary! verily, God gives thee the glad tidings of a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, regarded in this world and the next and of those whose place is nigh to God. And he shall speak to people in his cradle, and when grown up, and shall be among the righteous.' She said, 'Lord! how can have a son, when man has not yet touched me?' He said, 'Thus God creates what He pleaseth. When He decrees a matter He only says BE and it is; and He will teach him the Book, and wisdom, and the law, and the gospel, and he shall be a prophet to the people of Israel (saying), that I have come to you, with a sign from God, namely, that I will create for you out of clay as though it were the form of a bird, and I will blow thereon and it shall become a bird by God's permission; and I will heal the blind from birth, and lepers; and I will bring the dead to life by God's permission; and I will tell you what you eat and what ye store up in your houses. Verily, in that is a sign for you if ye be believers. And I will confirm what is before you of the law, and will surely make lawful for you some of that which was prohibited from you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and follow me, for God is my Lord, and your Lord, so worship Him:- this is the right path

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3 - Imran's Family)

i didn't say there were not like versions of the same idea of a story....it has more to do with creation stories and many others in the old testament surrounding where we all came from....christian/jewish vs. muslim view of noah...many stories liek that...that give more or less info...but are definately additions to the original word of God....i do believe it is close...but when you study ancient religions..many had like deities....like stories...they are not all the same...but they are close i will give you that very close

well...having spoken to severeal Muslim friends in the past, i get the impression that the Muslim Allah and the Jewish/Christian God are one and the same, with the major difference between Islam and Christianity being that Muslims believe that Jesus was merely a prophet

of course, i may be completely wrong


The misunderstanding is in how one interpets the word Prophet. Muslims do not think of Christ as just a Prophet. They believe he spoke with the authority of God just as Muhammad did. In Islam there really is no difference between Muhammad and Christ.

I really don't pay attention to the stories at all. I pay attention to my God.

And that Jesus was a prophet.

Personally, I have no clue why God would want or need a son. Or how he could even have one. I'm sure Christians must have some kind of reason why and how, but really...

In any case, if you get right down to it, our God is the same as your God. We're all going up to the same God anyways.

for our muslim friend.....do you know how the quoran(spell?) originated....i understand how the bible did....lets compare..

i didn't say there were not like versions of the same idea of a story....it has more to do with creation stories and many others in the old testament surrounding where we all came from....christian/jewish vs. muslim view of noah...many stories liek that...that give more or less info...but are definately additions to the original word of God....i do believe it is close...but when you study ancient religions..many had like deities....like stories...they are not all the same...but they are close i will give you that very close

It is true the stories have some slight differences, but think of it as added information, added background. Muhammad was sent by God to continue the Revelation of God's message to humanity.

also to our muslim friend....does the quoran have christian new testament texts within it? and if so...what is your take.....if you are familiar with the bible....are the accounts different...

I hope I can speak for the rest of the Atheists on the forum that we wish you luck and we DO NOT plan to crash yoru forum. Everyone, please tell me you agree...

I will not crash it, but I will enjoy seeing it crash and burn as all religious threads do.

bad idea I say this as a complete on fire christian (aithieists, you can take that literally). All that will happen is a Forum for Athieists, liberals, Republicans, Evolutionists, Christian-haters, Lesbians and any other kind of forum will pop up to mimic and mock this one. Then the mods will have enough and close alll the "forums". If you want to talk about a specific aspect of our Christian life/walk then post a thread specifying that, leaving this thread open to any kind of talk about how "God has changed our lives" is not smart. There are plenty of "Gods" out there in everyone's opinion.

for our muslim friend.....do you know how the quoran(spell?) originated....i understand how the bible did....lets compare..

Just so there is no misunderstanding I am not a Muslim. I am a Baha'i. The Baha'i Faith started in Persia or Iran in 1844 and has since that time spread around the world.

The Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad from God and Muhammad shared that Revelation with the people around Him. It was written down in Arabic and not translated to any other language for many hundreds of years. It is considered by unbiased scholars to be in a more pure form because of this.

Indeed, praise God, we are indeed belittled often for our beliefs by Atheists. But they are the most extreme hypocrites so just ignore them. God is great and those who accepted Jesus's love are indeed blessed and they are better because of it.

also to our muslim friend....does the quoran have christian new testament texts within it? and if so...what is your take.....if you are familiar with the bible....are the accounts different...

Muhammad confirms the validity of the teachings of Christ in the Qur'an. Muhammad speaks only with the greatest love for Jesus, as He does for all the figures in the Bible both old and new. If you think of the two religions as one religion that has been seperated by human pride and ego the apparent conflicts between two religions disappear.

The Christian Republic ....."they are the most extreme hypocrites"? bah! Way to live for Jesus there!

The Christian Republic ....."they are the most extreme hypocrites"? bah! Way to live for Jesus there!

Preaching tolerance while belittling others and trying to destroy religion itself (the basis of 'strong' ((Gay)) Atheism) is hypocrisy at it's heigth.

Muhammad confirms the validity of the teachings of Christ in the Qur'an. Muhammad speaks only with the greatest love for Jesus, as He does for all the figures in the Bible both old and new. If you think of the two religions as one religion that has been seperated by human pride and ego the apparent conflicts between two religions disappear.


What did Muhammad teach?

Just in case somebody didn't understand what GoodThoughts wrote:

The Qur'an is the words of God, spoken to Muhammad, in Arabic. So no, it don't take anything directly from the New Testament. It has similar passages, but no direct quotations.

I could find my notebook(s) on the subject, but I'm too lazy to get out of my chair.

Preaching tolerance while belittling others and trying to destroy religion itself (the basis of 'strong' ((Gay)) Atheism) is hypocrisy at it's heigth.

Ah, and the chain reaction of disrespect and accusation without facts goes on. So throw some names at me of athieists on this forum who do that, How about instances IRL?

i was refering to Jesus in the quoran......i didn't mean does it have these books...what i meant was..besides he was a good prophet...what stories of Jesus ar ein the quoran....? what abotu his crucifixion and resurrection

I just wanted a forum where we can share our praise reports and testamonies how God has changed our lives...we don't have to be the minority....even in cyberspace!

You aren't a minority, that is the scary thing. :(

Oh yeah "Praisa Gahda! And G-sussa!"

It's amazing that one group of people could be so influential when they are blind fanatics, what does this say about humanity?

Oh I know, we're a bunch of fucking idiots, that's it.

What did Muhammad teach?

How ironic. Here i am a Baha'i, a religion that has been severely persecuated by Muslim speaking about Islam. Oh well, there is only one religion the religion of God.

Muslims believe in only One God, the same God that Jews and Christians believe in, but some of the ideas about the nature of God are different. What follows comes from an Islamic website.

First, let us clarify that “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for God, just as “Dios” or “Dieu” are the words for God in Spanish and French, respectively. “Allah” is His name, and it is also the word used by Arabic-speaking Christians. So it is wrong to say that Muslims believe in a different god than the Christians and Jews believe in.

God is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, the seen and unseen. God has no wife or consort, no son or daughter, no partner at all in His divinity. He is Eternal, having no beginning or end. He is Absolute, existing without food, drink, sleep, or any other needs. He does not indwell in any of His creatures and they do not indwell in Him.

God is unique and perfect in all of His attributes. He is Ever-Living, Self-Subsisting, the Sustainer. He is All-Knowing, All-Seeing, All-Hearing, All-Wise. He knows the state of things prior to and during their occurrence. He is All-Merciful, Ever-Merciful, and His mercy encompasses all things.

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You aren't a minority, that is the scary thing. :(

Oh yeah "Praisa Gahda! And G-sussa!"

It's amazing that one group of people could be so influential when they are blind fanatics, what does this say about humanity?

Oh I know, we're a bunch of fucking idiots, that's it.

Atheist thinking at it's heigth, somebody starts up a thread for religion (amidst the massive amount of anti-religion threads in here) and they hate it 'WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED, FORCED TO WORSHIP' They scream! If you dont like this thread, THEN DONT BOTHER TO POST IN HERE YOU HYPOCRITE! I am a Greek Orthodox Christian yet your stereotypes on Christians (stereotypes are regurlarly used by racists for the record - And Atheists love them) do not apply to me.

and since you hold Jesus in high regard...what is your spin on John's writings...in Revelation..in regards to the warnings about adding to the story of God.....if John was Jesus' follower and and Jesus is highly respected...wouldn't that mean something....i know mohamed changed things for you ,....but i still don't see how it can be accepted...kinda liek mormanism...extra stories of God...when the OLD TEST. talks about then(the biblical times) and then the end...it does not mention Mohamed....thus contrradicts....islam..thus they cannot be speaking of the Same God

Atheist thinking at it's heigth, somebody starts up a thread for religion (amidst the massive amount of anti-religion threads in here) and they hate it 'WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED, FORCED TO WORSHIP' They scream! If you dont like this thread, THEN DONT BOTHER TO POST IN HERE YOU HYPOCRITE! I am a Greek Orthodox Christian yet your stereotypes on Christians (stereotypes are regurlarly used by racists for the record - And Atheists love them) do not apply to me.

It's not the interfering with my life I am ranting on about. Although you do that pretty well, I am speaking of something else. The sheer ignorance and intolerance of christanity, islam, and judiasm. Religion as a whole can be equated with Fascist thinking.

Atheist thinking at it's heigth, somebody starts up a thread for religion (amidst the massive amount of anti-religion threads in here) and they hate it 'WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED, FORCED TO WORSHIP' They scream! If you dont like this thread, THEN DONT BOTHER TO POST IN HERE YOU HYPOCRITE! I am a Greek Orthodox Christian yet your stereotypes on Christians (stereotypes are regurlarly used by racists for the record - And Atheists love them) do not apply to me.

Oh, go use your cursor to click an icon! You started this in this thread.

Ah, and the chain reaction of disrespect and accusation without facts goes on. So throw some names at me of athieists on this forum who do that, How about instances IRL?

I'll give you an example, in a recent thread on General I was attacked for 'hating homosexuals' and 'not leaving them alone' when I hadn't even said anything about homosexuals. Homosexuals can marry if they wish, just NOT IN A CHURCH! Surely if the church should be completely seperate from state it should be allowed to make it's own rules? If it is an independent institution which NO ONE FORCES YOU TO JOIN then it can follow its own prescribed rules set down in the books.

oh man i always wanted to talk to a greek Christian.....i don't understand the catholic/greek breakoff...can you inform me

It's not the interfering with my life I am ranting on about. Although you do that pretty well, I am speaking of something else. The sheer ignorance and intolerance of christanity, islam, and judiasm. Religion as a whole can be equated with Fascist thinking.

What did Christ, Christ himself say in the New Testament that follows this assertion? If you don't like this thread then leave. It's simple, but you 'strong' (hypocritical) atheists dont get it. We dont care about you, so leave us alone.

oh man i always wanted to talk to a greek Christian.....i don't understand the catholic/greek breakoff...can you inform me

Simple: The Greeks were too loony even for the catholic Italians.

oh man i always wanted to talk to a greek Christian.....i don't understand the catholic/greek breakoff...can you inform me

The Great Schism was caused by the status of the Roman Patriarch and thus after the schism the Eastern Patriarch became independent and formed the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Simple: The Greeks were too loony even for the catholic Italians.

Sorry why were we 'loony'? And where do you come from, pray?

Atheist thinking at it's heigth, somebody starts up a thread for religion (amidst the massive amount of anti-religion threads in here) and they hate it 'WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED, FORCED TO WORSHIP' They scream! If you dont like this thread, THEN DONT BOTHER TO POST IN HERE YOU HYPOCRITE! I am a Greek Orthodox Christian yet your stereotypes on Christians (stereotypes are regurlarly used by racists for the record - And Atheists love them) do not apply to me.
When's the last time you were walking around minding your own business to be confronted by an atheist with a cordless microphone standing on a milk crate preaching that there is no god while his children who should have been in school were peddling copies of The Gay Science?

i was refering to Jesus in the quoran......i didn't mean does it have these books...what i meant was..besides he was a good prophet...what stories of Jesus ar ein the quoran....? what abotu his crucifixion and resurrection

Muhammad confirms the spiritual teachings of Christ. Many muslims believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus and that Muhammad was raised up whole into heaven. The Baha'i Faith teachings that the resurrection should be thought of as spititual in nature and not physical. BTW wasn't Eziekel also raised up into heaven? The following comes from the Qur'an

Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;

164 And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses;

165 Messengers of good cheer and of warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

did any of it have to do with the influence of Greek gods? my only exposure is from a movie....yes i know fiction...but on my big fat greek wedding...they are greek orthodox and have statues of greek gods etc....what is your take on that....do you believe salvation is by faith and grace alone?

For the love of humanity people, be civil. I'm a Zen Buddhist and I know more about Christianity than most Christians, I've probably met more well known (American) evangelical leaders in the Christian faith too. If you all would quit it with the, "Internet: Serious Business" crap and start up some civility like when a pro-choice, libertarian, Zen Buddhist goes up to the Rev. Dr. Dobson and has a two hour long conversation about differing theologies. It really isn't that hard, just remember that the people on the other side of the ones and zeroes you are looking at are real people, not ones and zeroes to be insulted and yelled at as if they were somehow inherently different than you.

Its quite sad that, "Christians" can't even be civil and follow one of the greatest commandments that their lord and savior gave to them. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Your savior did not mean, "Love the people who live next door to you in your neighborhood." He meant, "Love all people as though they were yourself." All people deserve the same respect you give yourself, and I've yet to meet a Christian who disrespects themself as much as Charles Manson.

How about Christians, Jews, and Muslims are invited.

Please sir, hijack my forum :mp5:

Sorry why were we 'loony'?

Must you ask? THe only thing camper than the Vatican is the Orthodox church. A bit more low-budget, though.

And where do you come from, pray?

I live in Sweden, but have Mediterranean roots and have orthodox christians in my extended family, so I know exactly how silly the orthodoxists are. Being forced to attend an orthodox service when visiting them was hilarious. Those priests could have all used some singing lessons...

sweet we christians just got cluster-bombed. This isn't a thread to talk about how great God is. It has turned into stuff about Islam, athieism, etc..


Adonai has done plenty in my life, it is amazing. I am sad that my life isn't some big amazing testimony like that Josh Mcdowell guy or something. I grew up in a Christian home, and for a while I just did what my parents did and Christianity wasn't my belief, it was just what I did because my parents did it. The most awe-struck fact of my testimony is that I began reading the Bible out of my own choice. I began when I was like 7. I started sort of because I had no other books to read, but Psalms ( my first Bible book) captured my heart. I do not know why I am the only child in my family to love and seek God. My brother and sister live their lives as if there is no spiritual world and as if the decisions they make today will not affect them later. (oooh those two sentences are flame bait, no doubt). Anyhow I will give more of my testimony in a couple minutes/days I am busy.

did any of it have to do with the influence of Greek gods? my only exposure is from a movie....yes i know fiction...but on my big fat greek wedding...they are greek orthodox and have statues of greek gods etc....what is your take on that....do you believe salvation is by faith and grace alone?

Hehehe, nah it's nothing to do with Greek Gods, it's simply that the authority of The Patriarch of Rome was always in question because he was a 'first among equals' and it's meaning was always brought into question.

sweet we christians just got cluster-bombed. This isn't a thread to talk about how great God is. It has turned into stuff about Islam, athieism, etc..
Isn't it amazing how a small sentence from me and a semi-ignorant comment from someone else brings us to the current situation of this thread?

I live in Sweden, but have Mediterranean roots and have orthodox christians in my extended family, so I know exactly how silly the orthodoxists are. Being forced to attend an orthodox service when visiting them was hilarious. Those priests could have all used some singing lessons...
You have to laugh at the 'tolerance' of Atheists, generalizing an entire people in one fell swoop yet wailing as hard as a baby when people question their beliefs (or lack of them).

You have to laugh at the 'tolerance' of Atheists, generalizing an entire people in one fell swoop yet wailing as hard as a baby when people question their beliefs (or lack of them).

He's just getting what he gave. Karma's a bitch, no?

How about Christians, Jews, and Muslims are invited.

Dont have a problem with it. Neither should any true Christian. We should love all of God's creations.

You have to laugh at the 'tolerance' of Atheists, generalizing an entire people in one fell swoop yet wailing as hard as a baby when people question their beliefs (or lack of them).



You have to laugh at the "tolerance" of Christians, generalizing an entire people in one fell swoop yet wailing as hard as a baby when people question their beliefs (or lack of them).

Honestly...I praise God for the Joy I have in my life now...fulfillment...that can only be attained through Christ... Praise God

Goodnight Guys...have a Blessed Evening

He's just getting what he gave. Karma's a bitch, no?

What did I 'Give' him? Quote me. This is a thread for Theists and more Specifically, Christians, yet you atheists hijacked it. There is no limit to atheist hypocrisy.

Dont have a problem with it. Neither should any true Christian. We should love all of God's creations.
So you exclude all the heathens because they are obviously not god's creation...

I think New Dotchland needs to find some sort of course on World Religions he can take in his spare time or even just a reliable, well reasearched website. It'd answer his questions mightyfast. His posts here have completely debunked his claim to be a Biblical scholoar. He may have had some time to do a quick comparison, one that would lead to his erroneous assumptions.

But I will do what I can in a short time...

No, the ancient gods had nothing to do with the breakoff of the Eastern Orthodox, which was incorrectly labeled the Great Schism earlier. It was over a single phrase (and some political things) in the Creed: "Who proceeds from the Father and the son."

They are the same God, based on the fact that all three sprout from the same monotheistic begining. Contradictions between the Bible (which was written over a long period of time and is highly erroneous) and real life are quite common, and shouldn't be paid too much attention to.

The Christian Bible has nothing to do with Islam, and when discussing Islam can be completely thrown out the window. It is an established fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God.

EDIT: In fact, he seems to have left shortly before I finished this, and the general silliness of his comments combined with the fact that he started this thread laeads me to wonder if he was serious... or just looking to start an argument/flame thread.

What did I 'Give' him? Quote me.

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This is a thread for Theists and more Specifically, Christians, yet you atheists hijacked it. There is no limit to atheist hypocrisy.

Face it, the record is obvious. You turned this thread to shit all on your own.

So you exclude all the heathens because they are obviously not god's creation...

Why should I try being nice to Atheists? Ever done it in the past? They are the most rude and offensive people you can meet, the air of intellectual elitism is almost tangible when you speak to them.

Dont have a problem with it. Neither should any true Christian. We should love all of God's creations.

Why should I try being nice to Atheists? Ever done it in the past? They are the most rude and offensive people you can meet, the air of intellectual elitism is almost tangible when you speak to them.

I like the continuity in your hypocrisy. Kettle.

I like the continuity in your hypocrisy. Kettle.

That's my opinion, I have yet to meet an atheist who respects theists rights and does not belittle them. This thread simply = Case Closed.

Why should I try being nice to Atheists? Ever done it in the past? They are the most rude and offensive people you can meet, the air of intellectual elitism is almost tangible when you speak to them.

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Poor Christian, making an ass of himself.

Hey, is it too late to reject the invitation for us Muslims to participate in this thread? Because to be honest, both the atheists and the Christians have turned it into pure crap.

Then you sir, have met very few atheists.

Oh, and it was a pleasure to meet you. Though I must ask, from what you have read of me so far, do I stray from your stereotypical view of atheists as much as you fall into my (often justified) stereotypical view of the modern Christian?

Why should I try being nice to Atheists? Ever done it in the past? They are the most rude and offensive people you can meet, the air of intellectual elitism is almost tangible when you speak to them.
I'm not an atheist.

However, the list included jews, christians and muslims, and thus, left out all the heathens.

Then you sir, have met very few atheists.

Oh, and it was a pleasure to meet you. Though I must ask, from what you have read of me so far, do I stray from your stereotypical view of atheists as much as you fall into my (often justified) stereotypical view of the modern Christian?

The fact you admit you have stereotypical views that in your opinion and words are 'often justified' proves my point.

I'm not an atheist.

However, the list included jews, christians and muslims, and thus, left out all the heathens.

Did I say Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists 'weren't allowed!' or anything in that vain? This is a thread for Theists are more specifically for Christians, Atheistic Interventionalism will simply result in more arguments such as this because Atheists have no opinion of Christians other than pre-judged stereotypical rubbish.

Did I say Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists 'weren't allowed!' or anything in that vain? This is a thread for Theists are more specifically for Christians, Atheistic Interventionalism will simply result in more arguments such as this because Atheists have no opinion of Christians other than pre-judged stereotypical rubbish.
And it appears that you have no opinion of athiests other than pre-judged stereotypical bullshit.

You were all over atheists before any posted in this thread.

I like god, he tasted best with Satans BBQ sauce.

And it appears that you have no opinion of athiests other than pre-judged stereotypical bullshit.

You were all over atheists before any posted in this thread.

Yeah, but he seems to have repressed that little tidbit...

And it appears that you have no opinion of athiests other than pre-judged stereotypical bullshit.

You were all over atheists before any posted in this thread.

And they are all over us in their threads, what do you expect? Would you expect Christians to be treated with respect in an Atheist Forum?

I want to bring this thread back to what it was supposed to be. In fact i would like to debate with a mislim. On how his religeon s truly. Not the hijacked thing that terrorists flaunt about. And about that true christianity is. Love and understanding. I sill love gays, does that mean i can't disagree with them?

We are all human, can we talk to each other a so. All people display some hipocrac at some point in their lives (admittadly some more than others) can't we accept that, confront it, and move on? I would like an open, ingnorance free, flame free, elitest free, and open dicussion about all religeons (viable ones, not jsut something you cooked up after reading a harry potter book or something or other).

As someone who would consider himelf a 'pagan', for lack of a better term, I think that both Muhammed and Jesus were great men. Do I think they were divinely inspired, or that they spoke with the mandate of 'god'? Who knows.

What I do know is that they would not approve of the semantics that drove two inherently good ideas completely bad. I also know that most of their words were good advice. Love your neighbor. Respect God{s}. Don't sleep with whores(although this one is questionable). Don't kill. Don't rape. Punish the wicked. RESPECT GOD{s}, because he/they is powerful, and wrathful. Defend what you believe in. Don't steal. Help the unfortunate. Respect. Love. Compassion.

And most importantly: Not to judge others.

I see everyone here ranting constantly at one another about how one is 'wrong' and the other is so utterly 'right'. Even if you 'Aethiests' don't believe in some vague notion of 'god', you can respect the fact that to rape and rob and steal and the rest are wrong, can you not? That alone gives religion merit, in my opinion. It's man's meddling that's ruined the idea of it but n the end, belief in something is only a good thing. It's blind faith that is the problem.

For the 'believers', is it so unfathomable to think that there really is -no god-? Can you even wrap your head around it? Try to. Question that blind faith. See through the dogma and the rhetoric, and find out. Decide for yourself what you believe. If, in the end, you come out where you began, good for you! You will have proved that in the end, your faith stood fast, and you made the decision to believe.

But instead of trying to see the other side of the matter, and with that knowledge make an informed decision, you all descend into 'fukc ur g0d, christian' and nonsense like that, from all sides.

Just a thought. But then again, I'm a filthy, pig-eating, menstrual-sexing, out-of-wedlock, kick you in the nuts pagan who would rather burn a sacrifice. What the hell would I know? Maybe we're in the Matrix...

Word.

-Pants

The fact you admit you have stereotypical views that in your opinion and words are 'often justified' proves my point.

Yes, but I have a decent sample group to work from when speaking of Christians. I've lived on three Christian Seminaries, worked at multiple summer camps, and been to countless revivals and pastors conferences. Not to mention I get to speak with many, many, many pastors and theological doctorates because of the places I've been and am going. I may be a Buddhist, but I'm still going to work with the Jamaican Evangelical Minister's Seminary and aid its foundation this summer.

Now, I never said my views were always justified. One of my best friends is a Pentacostal from Florida. He is a great guy, and he acted a lot like you are now when I first met him. After a while he calmed down and started to realize that the reason atheists have am "air of intellectual elitism" is because atheists take time to study the Bible so that they can find the irregularities and incorrect statements in it. This arms the atheist with much more than the quotation of verse after verse with no exposition behind each one, as many fundamentalist Christians are apt to do when arguing on the internet.

I want to bring this thread back to what it was supposed to be. In fact i would like to debate with a mislim. On how his religeon s truly. Not the hijacked thing that terrorists flaunt about. And about that true christianity is. Love and understanding. I sill love gays, does that mean i can't disagree with them?

We are all human, can we talk to each other a so. All people display some hipocrac at some point in their lives (admittadly some more than others) can't we accept that, confront it, and move on? I would like an open, ingnorance free, flame free, elitest free, and open dicussion about all religeons (viable ones, not jsut something you cooked up after reading a harry potter book or something or other).

Why should Atheists who come into this thread with the sole intent of insulting us be treated well?

Almost every religion attempts to establish a 'spirit of the law', but atheism seeks to destroy the spiritual. In doing so, it chips away at the very thing that allows a good and ordered society to exist. The atheist is taking the morality of mankind for granted, unwisely forgetting the influence that religion has had in creating the culture in which he now lives. It isn't that atheists haven't any morals, but that they have no logical reason for having a preferable set of ethics.

Let's say that you find yourself stranded forever on a deserted island with one other individual. This other person is frail and of no practical use for your mutual survival. He is a loud mouth, an instigator, and he eats a lot. He even steals some of your food and the food supply is scarce. He's totally defenseless and a nuisance. Give a logical reason for not killing him.

An atheist criticizes a Christian for having an illogical belief in God, yet he can produce no logical reason for not killing this man. He can try to give a reason such as, "He is my genetic brother," but this doesn't stand up to logic. Why would it be wrong to kill your genetic brother? There is no logical reason, but you can see the atheist trying to give a spiritual reason. He is actually resorting to the 'brotherhood of man' as a reason not to kill this man. This is a spiritual reason, not a logical one. On the other hand, a Christian can simply use his 'illogical belief in God' to provide a very logical reason for not killing the man; "My Lord tells me to love him. My Lord wouldn't approve of me killing him." An atheist can't defend his own illogical belief without being a hypocrite when he criticizes belief in God as illogical.


Atheism = Hypocrisy

And they are all over us in their threads, what do you expect? Would you expect Christians to be treated with respect in an Atheist Forum?
I belong to an atheist forum.

The christians who discuss things rationally are treated with respect. The people who spam and insult are rightfully, put down thoroughly. Of course, there is always a tinge of resentment with the constant attitude of "I want to convert you to my way of thinking" on the side of the christians...

And yes, some atheists are assholes... but they are usually assholes who would rather be left alone and wouldn't bother you if you didn't bother them.

Yes, but I have a decent sample group to work from when speaking of Christians. I've lived on three Christian Seminaries, worked at multiple summer camps, and been to countless revivals and pastors conferences. Not to mention I get to speak with many, many, many pastors and theological doctorates because of the places I've been and am going. I may be a Buddhist, but I'm still going to work with the Jamaican Evangelical Minister's Seminary and aid its foundation this summer.

Now, I never said my views were always justified. One of my best friends is a Pentacostal from Florida. He is a great guy, and he acted a lot like you are now when I first met him. After a while he calmed down and started to realize that the reason atheists have am "air of intellectual elitism" is because atheists take time to study the Bible so that they can find the irregularities and incorrect statements in it. This arms the atheist with much more than the quotation of verse after verse with no exposition behind each one, as many fundamentalist Christians are apt to do when arguing on the internet.
Nothing justified intellectual elitism, it is a substitute for irregularities.

I belong to an atheist forum.

The christians who discuss things rationally are treated with respect. The people who spam and insult are rightfully, put down thoroughly. Of course, there is always a tinge of resentment with the constant attitude of "I want to convert you to my way of thinking" on the side of the christians...

And yes, some atheists are assholes... but they are usually assholes who would rather be left alone and wouldn't bother you if you didn't bother them.
Nope, thats the difference. They dont want to be left alone, they want the world to be godless, thats what binds them and unites them. Otherwise they would be a marginalized group, anti-theism is the prevailing point in atheism not atheism itself.

Self-deluded crap.

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Why should I try being nice to Atheists? Ever done it in the past? They are the most rude and offensive people you can meet, the air of intellectual elitism is almost tangible when you speak to them.

First off, I'm a Christian, Prodistant (probably spelled wrong). The word Christian means "Christ-like", however it's known that no human can be like Christ. We can only stirve to be like Christ.

Now, learning that, ask yourself what would Jesus Christ have done? Jesus had many times where he had to deal with Athiest who act like what you've said. In fact, the people of his own home town (they were Jews though) did not believe he was the Savior, and denounced him (or so I've been lead to believe).

All I'm saying is, that I believe Christians are to strive to be kind to all they can. If we do not strive our hardest, then our words of love and peace are worthless.

Nope, thats the difference. They dont want to be left alone, they want the world to be godless, thats what binds them and unites them. Otherwise they would be a marginalized group, anti-theism is the prevailing point in atheism not atheism itself.
Generally they do want to be left alone.

Most of the topics on this thread in any way related to theism are along the lines of "So today someone snapped at me and yelled because they didn't believe in evolution and I made a passing comment regarding opposable big toes on apes... This of course had nothing to do with evolution" and "I got called into jury duty and was asked to swear on a bible... wtf?" you know, things that happen in every day life that most christians probably don't notice they do that pretty much demonstrates an arrogance and general ignorance of others opinions.

Basically, what you're doing now.

First off, I'm a Christian, Prodistant (probably spelled wrong). The word Christian means "Christ-like", however it's known that no human can be like Christ. We can only stirve to be like Christ.

Now, learning that, ask yourself what would Jesus Christ have done? Jesus had many times where he had to deal with Athiest who act like what you've said. In fact, the people of his own home town (they were Jews though) did not believe he was the Savior, and denounced him (or so I've been lead to believe).

All I'm saying is, that I believe Christians are to strive to be kind to all they can. If we do not strive our hardest, then our words of love and peace are worthless.

Indeed, I am betraying Christ's teachings by behaving in such a manner but how can one act in a Christ like way towards a group of people with such hatred towards theism in general? Real bitter hatred, how can we do that? It takes a strong man or woman to be like that.

First off, I'm a Christian, Prodistant (probably spelled wrong).
This isn't a nitpick as you are aware of the wrong spelling, but for future refrence, it's protestant.

This isn't a nitpick as you are aware of the wrong spelling, but for future refrence, it's protestant.

So called because the seperation was in protest of church practices such as selling in dulgences, so outlined in Martin Luther's 95 theses.

Thought i would throw that out there, as most Protestant christians donl't know wher it came from. And protestant is a vague term. Actually that really is just the second of the main brnahchesof christianity. Are you baptist? Lutheran? Methodist? Non-denominational? Assemblies of God? Calvinist?

Indeed, I am betraying Christ's teachings by behaving in such a manner but how can one act in a Christ like way towards a group of people with such hatred towards theism in general? Real bitter hatred, how can we do that? It takes a strong man or woman to be like that.


You can love them as though they were yourself, and you can actually follow Christ's teachings in doing so. I am not Christian, but I have meditated endlessly on that one commandment from the lips of Christ. Whether he was Lord, Liar, or Lunatic is inconsequential when one is sure that the consequences of following the "Greatest Commandment" or the "Golden Rule" are only good. Being belligerent is not following the law of Christ, but boldly striving to work against it. In response to negativity, whether it is the action of others, or the action of oneself; take up positive thinking. Give people the benefit of the doubt, rather than dismissing them once you know the name by which they call themselves.

Yes, I do have stereotypes formed in my mind for certain people. I do not however, judge people by those stereotypes. I compare each person I meet to how they relate to that stereotype and analyze their thinking, their behavior, and their beliefs accordingly. As much as you, The Christian Republic, announce that you can speak to no atheist who is instantly belligerent and desires the whole of the world to be godless and without morals, I still believe that in real life you are probably a pretty decent person.

Indeed, I am betraying Christ's teachings by behaving in such a manner but how can one act in a Christ like way towards a group of people with such hatred towards theism in general? Real bitter hatred, how can we do that? It takes a strong man or woman to be like that.

Jesus never said that following him was going to be easy. God never said that serving him would come without strife.

I agree, some Athiest disagree with Christianity strongly. However, in order to spread the Word of God you cannot allow that kind of thing to get to you.

You see, and I do hope that no Athiest takes offence to this, as I mean no disrespect. Though the Enemy (aka Satan) will attempt to get at you at every turn. Use everything against you. So perhaps this is one of those moments.

So called because the seperation was in protest of church practices such as selling in dulgences, so outlined in Martin Luther's 95 theses.

Thought i would throw that out there, as most Protestant christians donl't know wher it came from. And protestant is a vague term. Actually that really is just the second of the main brnahchesof christianity. Are you baptist? Lutheran? Methodist? Non-denominational? Assemblies of God? Calvinist?
Third branch, really.

There was catholic and eastern orthodox... then protestant came along some time later. Then the anglicans...

I'm agnostic... so not christian at all... I used to be presbyterian.

Jesus never said that following him was going to be easy. God never said that serving him would come without strife.

I agree, some Athiest disagree with Christianity strongly. However, in order to spread the Word of God you cannot allow that kind of thing to get to you.

You see, and I do hope that no Athiest takes offence to this, as I mean no disrespect. Though the Enemy (aka Satan) will attempt to get at you at every turn. Use everything against you. So perhaps this is one of those moments.

True, one of the temptations of Satan I believe is giving into provokation. We cannot allow ourselves to do this. As Christ commanded, we should turn the other cheek.

And Vaelon, interesting point, I agree with you. What religion are you btw?

Anglicans are protestant. Just to clear that up.

Finally. We can discuss Christ without being called racist homophobes. Now, I have a question to my fellow Christians. What would it be like if Jesus came back...but it wasn't the end of the world? What if he just decided to hang around? I'm guessing he'd either play for the New York Yankees or have a daytime talk show.

Finally. We can discuss Christ without being called racist homophobes. Now, I have a question to my fellow Christians. What would it be like if Jesus came back...but it wasn't the end of the world? What if he just decided to hang around? I'm guessing he'd either play for the New York Yankees or have a daytime talk show.

Hmmm. Well, I reckon he'd be on peace rallies a lot, you know, with CND and people like that. But he probably would have a chatshow come to think of it.

I would think that if Jesus came back he would be a teacher. He seemed to enjoy it.

I agree, if Jesus did come back before the end of time. I'm pretty sure he would try to remain low and not make a big spectical of himself. Though claiming to be the Son of God would probably catch the eye of the media.

If anything, he'd probably teach his ways to those who are lost, and probably encourage grow in the Christian faith. And probably reteach us Christians about his ways, lol.

Jesus would hang with sinners, the sick, and the hopeless. If he was say a "rich" Jesus he would be the best friend of all homosexuals, drug lords, and such.


Christian Republic, I am ashamed to know that you call yourself a Christian and that I too call myself a Christian. How many more athieists in this forum have you just convinced again that there is no supernatural? How many people who read this thread are now more convinced than ever that all christians are hypocritical irrational fundamentalist pieces of crap? I would rather a "lukewarm" Christian than a blatantly hypocritical Christian.

Hey guys, i'm a Christian and i think this forum is a great idea!!! it does get kind of discouraging when it seems like everyone disagrees with you but this is cool cause we can talk bout stuff... :) thanx (i cant remember your name... but you created the forum)

I would think that if Jesus came back he would be a teacher. He seemed to enjoy it.
If you would like to know what He will do when He returns to the Earth, read Revelation. ;)

Can you imagine it? A Jerry Springer show..Jesus style. Instead of immoral filth, we'd have holy goodness...that's entertaining.
Instead of "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!" we'd have "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!"