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Do you have any 'idols' or 'heroes' that are almost universally reviled? Have you ever been laughed down, ridiculed, or insulted for admiring someone the rest of the world holds contemptuous views of? If so, who?

Anyone?

Come on. :cry:

I used to think Gerry Adams was kinda cool! But then I grew up and realised that he is a bigoted and hateful man!

no. sorry. well, maybe rommel, but he's not an idol. i just appreciate his genius.

Winston Churchill is my idol, what a champion. His speaches and policies united a nation against a powerfully evil nation. He was quite humourous, but i've never really been bagged out for liking him, i don't tell many though.

The drummer of def lepeord

I used to think Gerry Adams was kinda cool! But then I grew up and realised that he is a bigoted and hateful man!

This is why Gerry Adams stands next to Martin McGuiness so much of the time: when Adams is contrasted to a weasel he seems like a trustworthy and reasonable person.

I admire Karl Marx, VI Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Josip Broz Tito, John MacLean, James Connolly, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Gerry Adams, Hugo Chavez and many other heroes of the left. These people have all been hated by the capitalists and those who want to oppress the working class.

My heros are mainly anarchist or socialist, so they are all pretty much hated if people know who they are. There are two that stand out particularly, though: Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Berkman.

Osama bin Laden

























*sits back and waits for it*

I admire Karl Marx, VI Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Josip Broz Tito, John MacLean, James Connolly, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Gerry Adams, Hugo Chavez and many other heroes of the left. These people have all been hated by the capitalists and those who want to oppress the working class.

You really have been brainwashed, haven't you?

Osama bin Laden

























*sits back and waits for it*

I'm a little hazy on what constitutes flamebaiting too!!!

I admire Hitler and Bush's verbal tactics of influence to get a nation to do what they want them to do.

I mean really, I studied Hitler's means of controlling Nazi Germany. He really used whatever he could to his advantage. Terrible racist bastard, but a brilliant one at that.

Whilst this one is not reviled, most people don't take him seriously:

http://www.totalcress.co.uk/silentfilm/silent_images/chaplin.jpg

Karl Marx, Che Guevara, The Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and Salvador Allende are hated by a lot of people, and I do look up to them. I don't think many people hate Noam Chomsky, but a lot of people dislike him, so, meh.

I admire Karl Marx, VI Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Josip Broz Tito, John MacLean, James Connolly, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Gerry Adams, Hugo Chavez and many other heroes of the left. These people have all been hated by the capitalists and those who want to oppress the working class.

You really have been brainwashed, haven't you?

I have certainly not been brainwashed. I admire these people because of their massive contributions to the struggle for Socialism and democracy against relentless attacks from the capitalists, fascists and those who exploit the working people for their financial interests.

Well Winston Churchill is an idol of mine. But other worthy mentions are Napoleon(he changed europe forever).

But other worthy mentions are Napoleon(he changed europe forever).

I agree with that. I took an entire college course on Napoleon.

I hate to admit it but napoleon is one of our greatest "tools" of America (a saying from me)

I shamed mine earlier today, but Carlos N. Hatchcock II

This is why Gerry Adams stands next to Martin McGuiness so much of the time: when Adams is contrasted to a weasel he seems like a trustworthy and reasonable person.
:D

anyhow...

one of my idols is a man called Joey Dunlop

a 5 times world motorcycle champion who made his living from a pub, and shopped in his local sainsburys

despite being number 1 in the Honda team, he did all his own mechanics

just a regular guy, never let the fame go to his head

Ward Connerly (reduced affirmative action in CA)
Ralph Nader (warning labels, seat belts, etc.)
Michael Newdow (temporarily reduced government endorsement of religion)

N. Bonaparte. He sold the US the land that allowed it to become what it is today.

Do you have any 'idols' or 'heroes' that are almost universally reviled? Have you ever been laughed down, ridiculed, or insulted for admiring someone the rest of the world holds contemptuous views of? If so, who?

Douglas Adams and Terry Pratchett kinda, but most people just respond by looking confused and asking "who?" So that doesn't get me ridiculed, just sidelined.

The one that really raises eyebrows is when I tell people I admire Jeneane Garofalo. I've been Jonesin' for her since I was young enough to think that Bush Senior was going to make a good president. My views on Bush have since matured though. ;)

I have certainly not been brainwashed. I admire these people because of their massive contributions to the struggle for Socialism and democracy against relentless attacks from the capitalists, fascists and those who exploit the working people for their financial interests.
members of james connolly's citizen army eat my grandmas brians in an orgy of cannibalist quasimarxist violence during the easter uprising. gramps told her not to go near the college of surgeons, but did she listen... *sobs briefly*

how can you glorify such a monster!!!!!!!!!!!

Douglas Adams and Terry Pratchett kinda, but most people just respond by looking confused and asking "who?" So that doesn't get me ridiculed, just sidelined.

Whoawhoawhoa.

...

There are people who don't know who Douglas Adams and Terry Pratchett are?

Man, and people claim that re-education camps are a bad thing...

*shakes head sadly*

This sort of thing reminds me why we need to get more funding to primary and secondary schools, stat.

gregor strasser... okay no one knows who he was... but if they did i would surely be reviled... oh and his brother otto too, but not quite some much.

I admire Hitler and Bush's verbal tactics of influence to get a nation to do what they want them to do.

I mean really, I studied Hitler's means of controlling Nazi Germany. He really used whatever he could to his advantage. Terrible racist bastard, but a brilliant one at that.

Apparently hitler got a hold of the spear that jabbed christ.. Read the book "The Spear" and the spear was a relic so it contained some sort of power.. Before Hitler had the spear in his hands he was a looney who would shout his theories in cafes then suddenly *poof* so much power

Napoleon Bonaparte.
He was a pattriot ( quote : pattriotism is the first religion of the civilized man ).
He invented familynames.
He made the base for all west-european lawsystems.
He had much power, but was also good for the people .
(except the rich, but who cares about the rich, in that time u only became rich by pressing other people).

Napoleon Bonaparte.
He was a pattriot ( quote : pattriotism is the first religion of the civilized man ).
He invented familynames.
He made the base for all west-european lawsystems.
He had much power, but was also good for the people .
(except the rich, but who cares about the rich, in that time u only became rich by pressing other people).
there is almost nothing true in that list, but hey its the internet so its all good, plus NB was secretly a national socialist, to sig heil the little corperal.

Pym Fortuyn

Pym Fortuyn
like ernst rohm, but not so chubby.

Hmm...

Salvator Allende
Howard Dean (the media hates him)
Michael Moore (everyone on the right hates him)
George McGovern (he won one state)

like ernst rohm, but not so chubby.
And he is not a fascist or a racist.

Hmm.. Ann Rynd, Michael Moore, and William Shatner.

And he is not a fascist or a racist.
which one?

Hmm.. Ann Rynd, Michael Moore, and William Shatner.
you scare me.

which one?
Pym.

Pym.
well they are both martyred gay ultranationalists, and i'm not sure pym wasn't just a teeny bit ethnocentric and a fan of benittos early work.

you scare me.
I was a rather bizzare teenager with alot of indecisiveness. :)

well they are both martyred gay ultranationalists, and i'm not sure pym wasn't just a teeny bit ethnocentric and a fan of benittos early work.
Martyred gay ultranationalists, check. Sure Pym Fortuyn was an enthnocentrist but his most famous political ally was the black Somali immigrant parliamentarian Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And I don't think he was a fan of Mussolini. Py m Fortuyn wanted all immigrants to integrate into Dutch culture and learn the Dutch language. Holland stood for gay rights, gender equality, alternative lifestyles, and drug use and he wanted to protect these liberal values from what he saw as a threat from the conservative Islam that many immigrants to Holland brought.

my idol is my brother but my idol that a small few people might not like too much would probobly be Julius Ceaser, he changed the world.

Ward Connerly (reduced affirmative action in CA)
Ralph Nader (warning labels, seat belts, etc.)
Michael Newdow (temporarily reduced government endorsement of religion)

I might respect Newdow more if the bastard hadn't just been out for himself. Same goes for Roy Moore.

Well, I don're realllly have heroes as such. But do have loads of respect for the South African's who fought apartheid, like Mandela, Steve Biko, Ahmed Kathrada etc.

I also do respect people like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, although I don't see eye to eye with them about everything.

I admire Karl Marx, VI Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Josip Broz Tito, John MacLean, James Connolly, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Gerry Adams, Hugo Chavez and many other heroes of the left. These people have all been hated by the capitalists and those who want to oppress the working class.

I'm sorry, but since when had Fidel Castro, been a model for not oppressing the working class. The working class is so happy about life in Cuba, that the US Coast Guard has to bee on the constant look out for Cuban refugees. I believe you need to study Fidel more, before you label him as a hero of communism. That may be what he says his nation, but he is really a totalitarian dictator above all else. Oh, and please don't generalize all capitalists while your at it. I would much appreciate that. Thanks in advance.

-The Rabbit of Death aka DeathRabbit aka Der Lieben

Last edited by Anarchic Conceptions : Today at 3:03 AM. Reason: Damn alcohol
Actually, I'd rather drink it than damn it, personally.

I admire Hitler and Bush's verbal tactics of influence to get a nation to do what they want them to do.

I mean really, I studied Hitler's means of controlling Nazi Germany. He really used whatever he could to his advantage. Terrible racist bastard, but a brilliant one at that.


True that. Personally, I believe Germany would have won the war eventually, had they focused more on the war effort rather than an overly racist agenda. Also, the decision to screw over Russia was an inevitable one, but I believe it occurred at entirely the wrong time. Oh well, we socialists will just have to continue our drive for globalisation... :sniper:

I admire Karl Marx, VI Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Josip Broz Tito, John MacLean, James Connolly, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, Gerry Adams, Hugo Chavez and many other heroes of the left. These people have all been hated by the capitalists and those who want to oppress the working class.

I just want to be left alone. I don't want anyone to rip $hit from my check and force feed their morality on me. I can't oppress you, when all I want is to be defended from you.
and...

I don't hate them, I'm too busy paying attention to things that matter.

Actually, I'd rather drink it than damn it, personally.
There was was meant to be a -ed there.

Meh.