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Oh come on..you can't be serious. I'm no supporter of the war but the idea that the war was for oil is ridiculous. I'm sure that bush has his own inane list of reasons for going to war, but I highly doubt that oil was a top one.
What's so ridiculous about it? I'm not about to present evidence for it or even claim it to be true, but why is it so unbelievable that the USA would go to war for economic reasons?

Why do you think that the US spent the past 60 years in Cold war, intervening in countries where there was a hint of communism? Do you think they were genuinely concerned about the communists oppressing the people in those places? Wrong. The USA wanted to make countries (markets) safe for American businesses.

Check out War Is a Racket (clicky) (http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm) by US Marine Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940). The US routinely went to war in the past for business interests. Why would it be any different today? Has US politics been purged of corporate interest and lobbying? I don't think so.

What's so ridiculous about the War For Oil?

You're kidding right?

A question I've always had about the Oil War hypothesis:

If we really went to war to steal oil for Halliburton or whatever, how come gas prices didn't drop? Oil wouldn't have benefitted Bush's supposed corporate cronies if they never sold it. Had they sold, prices would have dropped.

Am I the only one who wonders this?

A question I've always had about the Oil War hypothesis:

If we really went to war to steal oil for Halliburton or whatever, how come gas prices didn't drop? Oil wouldn't have benefitted Bush's supposed corporate cronies if they never sold it. Had they sold, prices would have dropped.

Am I the only one who wonders this?

Because the oil doesn't instantly get loaded into barrels and shipped to America as soon as we invade. It takes time.

Because the oil doesn't instantly get loaded into barrels and shipped to America as soon as we invade. It takes time. It takes more than 2 years to ship oil from Iraq to the US? I'm calling BS on that one.

Again we come to the idea that what's good for the fat cats is good for all of us. :rolleyes:

A question I've always had about the Oil War hypothesis:

If we really went to war to steal oil for Halliburton or whatever, how come gas prices didn't drop? Oil wouldn't have benefitted Bush's supposed corporate cronies if they never sold it. Had they sold, prices would have dropped.

Am I the only one who wonders this?
Do you know that it takes 5-10 years between the beginning of oil drilling, and the supply of it to petrol stations? That could have something to do with it, perhaps. Also, I doubt that the relentless terrorist violence in Iraq makes the oil companies' job any easier or faster.

It takes more than 2 years to ship oil from Iraq to the US? I'm calling BS on that one.

The oil wasn't drilled and sitting in barrels on barges for us to take as soon as we got there.

You're kidding right?
Are you really naive enough to believe that the US would not go to war to serve corporate interests? I suggest you check out that link in my original post.

Do you know that it takes 5-10 years between the beginning of oil drilling, and the supply of it to petrol stations? That could have something to do with it, perhaps. Also, I doubt that the relentless terrorist violence in Iraq makes the oil companies' job any easier or faster.

Thank you Swimmingpool. I was trying to avoid making a double post.

Do you know that it takes 5-10 years between the beginning of oil drilling, and the supply of it to petrol stations? That could have something to do with it, perhaps. Also, I doubt that the relentless terrorist violence in Iraq makes the oil companies' job any easier or faster.
Ah, but do you know that Iraqi oil fields are currently operational today? All we had to do was patch them up when we came. And, do you realize that you can simply check the Defense Department's budget, and the Iraqi government's budget, and realize that every cent of money earned from the oil goes to reconstructing Iraq?

Meh, there have been worse reasons for going to war. Take the crusades for example.

A question I've always had about the Oil War hypothesis:

If we really went to war to steal oil for Halliburton or whatever, how come gas prices didn't drop? Oil wouldn't have benefitted Bush's supposed corporate cronies if they never sold it. Had they sold, prices would have dropped.

Am I the only one who wonders this?


You really really believe the corporations are going to pass the savings on to you?

Saddam had oil contract which were very favorable to France and Russia now those deals are null and void.

To note Oil is not the sole reason for the war but it certainly has lots to do with it. It sure is not to "liberate" the people of Iraq. If you have been paying attention Iraq is in worse condition now than before the USA arrived.

The USA govt' has basically started a civil war in Iraq and more terrorism.

MORE TERROR. When will people learn after a thousand years of war that war does not bring peace in fact violence merely makes more violence.

They say that insanity is doing something over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe people should notice that violence is failing miserably at bringing about peace.

Do you know that it takes 5-10 years between the beginning of oil drilling, and the supply of it to petrol stations? That could have something to do with it, perhaps. Also, I doubt that the relentless terrorist violence in Iraq makes the oil companies' job any easier or faster. You're apparently willfully ignorant. Iraq already has the drilling and pumping set up, and they have been produceing oil. However, they have been selling it to us at market value. Another thing is, they're producing less oil than they were pre-invation, meaning that the market price for oil is higher now than it was before we went in.

Did we enter to make the world a more friendly place for the US and its interests? Yes, thats a no brainer, but our interests are not limited to the oil industry. We also have interest in removeing Saddam's destableizeing influence to the region and allowing Iraq to become an example of an Arab democrocy so that the other nations in the region can follow it's lead. A democratic and prosperous Middle East is good for everyone because free people don't want to blow themselves up.

Yeah, I gotta admit I think one of the major reasons for the war in Iraq is oil. I also think that prices will only go up as both demand for oil and demand for oil companies to make larger profits rise.

You're kidding right? Hopefully

You're apparently willfully ignorant. Iraq [/i]already[/i] has the drilling and pumping set up, and they have been producing oil.

Did we enter to make the world a more friendly place for the US and its interests? Yes, thats a no brainer, but our interests are not limited to the oil industry.
Who is producing oil in Iraq? Halliburton (or some other US company) or Iraqi companies?

Sorry, I'm not trying to say that oil was the only reason why the US went to war in Iraq. I am saying that it is a major reason, but many people for some reason have a hard time thinking about that.

Iraqi companies, to my knowledge are the only ones selling Iraqi oil

You really really believe the corporations are going to pass the savings on to you?

When will people learn after a thousand years of war that war does not bring peace in fact violence merely makes more violence.

They say that insanity is doing something over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe people should notice that violence is failing miserably at bringing about peace.

Ok. For the first part (I bolded it, just to make it clearer which one I'm addressing), it depends on what you mean by "pass the savings on to you." Yes, in a sense, because if they have more oil, then they're going to sell it, as keeping it in some storage facility isn't making them any money. By selling it, or putting more of it in the market, the price is lowered because supply goes up.

Second point. In 1936, Hitler ordered the German Army to occupy the Rheinland, where Germany was forbidden to have soldiers under the 1919 Treaty of Versailles. He ordered his men to turn back at the first sign of armed response from Britain or France, because Germany was not yet strong enough to face them. Those countries, however, followed the logic that "fighting never brings peace" and decided to appease Hitler and let him re-take the land. This showed Hitler that the Allies would not, in the interest of peace, make efforts to keep Germany down. Thus, the stage was set for World War Two, the bloodiest war in history. Had Britain and France fought a small war in 1936, it is not hard to imagine that maybe we would have been spared the horrors of 1939-45.

In short, war can sometimes be a force for good. I believe the war in Iraq was such a war. I understand that others do not, and I don't expect them to. It's just my opinion.

Are you really naive enough to believe that the US would not go to war to serve corporate interests? I suggest you check out that link in my original post.

I'm sorry, I'll leave it here, because I won't live long enough to tell you all the ways this is so wrong.

Ah, but do you know that Iraqi oil fields are currently operational today? All we had to do was patch them up when we came. And, do you realize that you can simply check the Defense Department's budget, and the Iraqi government's budget, and realize that every cent of money earned from the oil goes to reconstructing Iraq?
THe money goes to the reconstruction of Iraq, yes. But who is doing the reconstructiong? THe US. So, in effect, the oil money is lowering our costs, and thus, one could make the argument that it is serving US interests.

Let me the first to say that the war is about other then freedom for a Country.

In the last 50 years America has been involved in 274 conflicts - ALL HAVE Corporate interest except 2.

Iraq is not one of them..

You see - George Bush and Dick Chaney were smart enough, Let me rephrase that "Dick Chaney was smart enough to realize - ONCE in IRAQ - It really wouldn't matter who is Preisdent next - Because we can't leave.

Oil is only a portion of the great investment, We have defense funds, Computer Technology - Which Georgies little brother runs... In Israel by the way, but has vested interest going into Iraq...

You see there are billions and all who is involved in the process will be more wealthy after all is said and done..

It really doesn't take Rocket science to figure it out - You don't have to look at Iraq - You only have to work at America..

The three leaders of campaign money to George Bush.

1. Energy and Oil..

(highest prices ever in history)

2. Insurance

(highest prices in history)

3.. Meat

(highest in history)


People can look at these and say things like - It only makes sense they go up...

Insurance - Certainly, loss in the stock markets maybe, except for one thing - Companies and wealthy people get richer when stocks crash - They buy more for less then sell later and make a huge profit, it could be of course that the insurance industry wanted both, instant money along with future investment money.

Meat - cost of living - Unions, cattle scare ? Hardly - in fact cost of cattle has actually gone down, and there are now less laws to regulate the industry - George took care of that is third month in office..

Energy - Oil shortage right? Wrong ,... Not at all - This biggest failure of oil, might be in South America and Venzuela which decided to start selling oil in Euro's instead of the mighty American Dollar... However, Has most of you know the United States is trying to start a coup to overthrow Chazez and will within the next year or so, and it still does not count the oil we have actually gained from Iraq.... And the other energy agencies and producing like they always have..

So is the War about oil ?

Yes and No - It's about more then oil - But money ? Yes it's all about money..



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