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Is Canada in Mourning? NHL Means No Hockey League

Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 17:55
Just wondering what the effect was. Oh, and thanks for the baseball team. Does this mean that all the sports teams in Canada will eventually flee south?
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 17:57
Oh yes! We most certainly are. It might spell the end of many of our teams. (Not that we had a lot left to begin with) It's our game, and it's bleak. We are not happy campers at all! :(
Willamena
18-02-2005, 17:59
NHL Means No Hockey League
Not so. There are many Junior and other leagues that have been moved up to be showcased this year.

The lack of NHL may turn out to be a very good thing.
Kwangistar
18-02-2005, 17:59
Where would Canadian teams flee to? The league is already overextended in the USA.
Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 18:00
Not so. There are many Junior and other leagues that have been moved up to be showcased this year.

The lack of NHL may turn out to be a very good thing.

Oh, I see. So it's good in the same sense that it was good when Loverboy broke up.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:03
Not so. There are many Junior and other leagues that have been moved up to be showcased this year.

The lack of NHL may turn out to be a very good thing.

Actually very good point. My hubby and son and a couple of my son's friends went to an Ottawa 67's game just 2 weeks ago and it was great they said. Good point.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:04
The cancellation of the season is the nail in the coffin for this league. It will reduce the attendance in the states, esp the expansion teams in the US: ie Pheonix. The problem with the NHL is that hardly anyone in the US cares about it, which is the biggest threat to it's survival. It was funny to hear last year how hockey needs to be more popular in the States, then they do this bonehead play.

Screw the NHL, I'll stick with my NFL. Now if only the NFL were allowed to expand into canada....wait they aren't allowed to. Can't let the NFL destroy the CFL.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:04
Where would Canadian teams flee to? The league is already overextended in the USA.

The teams get bought up by Americans, yes, but the league is still 60% Canadian players. So you can buy the names of our teams, but apparently you can't buy our game. :p
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:05
Where would Canadian teams flee to? The league is already overextended in the USA.


Exactly and considering it is the least viewed major pro sport in the US, where could they flee?
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:08
lol@NHL

http://espn.go.com/media/nhl/2005/0203/photo/nhl_goan_li.jpg
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:10
lol@NHL

http://espn.go.com/media/nhl/2005/0203/photo/nhl_goan_li.jpg


HaHa, crazy canadians.
La Theine
18-02-2005, 18:11
Where would Canadian teams flee to? The league is already overextended in the USA.

Mexico??
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:11
Exactly and considering it is the least viewed major pro sport in the US, where could they flee?


Maybe they could have the NHL move to Europe?
Modern Arabia
18-02-2005, 18:14
The cancellation of the season is the nail in the coffin for this league. It will reduce the attendance in the states, esp the expansion teams in the US: ie Pheonix. The problem with the NHL is that hardly anyone in the US cares about it, which is the biggest threat to it's survival. It was funny to hear last year how hockey needs to be more popular in the States, then they do this bonehead play.

Screw the NHL, I'll stick with my NFL. Now if only the NFL were allowed to expand into canada....wait they aren't allowed to. Can't let the NFL destroy the CFL.

O'cmon, Allouettes would own teh Patriots. that would be one crazy game. someones gotta reform the NFL so canadian teams can participate.
Keruvalia
18-02-2005, 18:14
Bah ... watch MLB ... 'tis a far superior sport.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:14
lol@NHL

http://espn.go.com/media/nhl/2005/0203/photo/nhl_goan_li.jpg

And why are these stats so? Because the USA is by far not the best country in the world at playing the game. That's why. It's not exactly rocket science. If the Americans were as good as the Canadians or the Europeans, they'd care.

Just like it was a Canadian who invented Basketball, but every one in the US cares about Basketball because they are the best. We just don't grow a lot of 7 foot tall black guys in Canada..lol.

Whatever the Americans are not very good at, they don't care about. I noticed this trend many, many years ago. In fairness though, they are not the only country that thinks like this.
Kissmybutte
18-02-2005, 18:16
Hockey in Canada sucks, and NHL sucks the worst. It is a national shame.
It's a thugs game, Goons on ice, pro-wrestling on skates.
I enjoy watching boxing, out and out combat with strict rules, where cheaters and dirty players are neither admired or rewarded, and where talent and intelligence prevail. (Of coure the goons that run it area as corrupt as a Russian billionaire). I'll be battered and fried before I'll watch the stupid goonery that is an NHL game.

The violence, intolerance, bad sportsmanship etc that poison NHL hockey extend all the way through organised leagues down to around 11 years old. Bleh.

People here remember the "Good old days" with 6 teams etc, and remember the first championship against the Russians. Know why we won that? Because we took a cheap shot at their best guy and crippled him enough he couldn't play. How about that for an inspiration for Canadian youth. Canadian hockey is bullshit.

That's not to say Hockey is bullshit. Take out the goonery and the violence, and get a bigger (European) rink, back off the pinball checking (substituted for talent) and you've got a game. Pity they don't play it in Canada.

And then there is Don Cherry, a loud-mouthed, moronic, bigoted boor who's claim to fame is he played part of one NHL game. Another National embarrassment.

Hooray! No NHL!!!!
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:17
O'cmon, Allouettes would own teh Patriots. that would be one crazy game. someones gotta reform the NFL so canadian teams can participate.

Sure. Unless you forget that most CFL teams are made up of 2nd rate hacks who couldn't do it in the pros (NFL). BTW I think the Pats defense could stop them. Don't think the Allouettes could stop a decent NFL rusher.
Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 18:24
Bah ... watch MLB ... 'tis a far superior sport.

We got the Expos to come down here to DC.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:24
And why are these stats so? Because the USA is by far not the best country in the world at playing the game. That's why. It's not exactly rocket science. If the Americans were as good as the Canadians or the Europeans, they'd care.

Just like it was a Canadian who invented Basketball, but every one in the US cares about Basketball because they are the best. We just don't grow a lot of 7 foot tall black guys in Canada..lol.

Whatever the Americans are not very good at, they don't care about. I noticed this trend many, many years ago. In fairness though, they are not the only country that thinks like this.

Then why isn't America interested in pro Lacrosse, afterall we have the best players and teams in the world? But it get's less attention then Arena Football.

Hockey is a boring game. It is a game extremely full of mistakes, missed passes, turnovers, etc. Americans like to see the professionals earn their money by making few errors. We like as flawless a performance as is possible. History doesn't remember the team or person who finishes second. Canada seems to have the problem of honoring failure. As was the example in the last olympics.
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:28
And why are these stats so? Because the USA is by far not the best country in the world at playing the game. That's why. It's not exactly rocket science. If the Americans were as good as the Canadians or the Europeans, they'd care.

Just like it was a Canadian who invented Basketball, but every one in the US cares about Basketball because they are the best. We just don't grow a lot of 7 foot tall black guys in Canada..lol.

Whatever the Americans are not very good at, they don't care about. I noticed this trend many, many years ago. In fairness though, they are not the only country that thinks like this.
oh, ok
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:31
this has become a thinly veiled nationalist pissing contest between Stephistan and Johnny Wadd :rolleyes:
Damnuall
18-02-2005, 18:32
The cancellation of the season is the nail in the coffin for this league. It will reduce the attendance in the states, esp the expansion teams in the US: ie Pheonix. The problem with the NHL is that hardly anyone in the US cares about it, which is the biggest threat to it's survival. It was funny to hear last year how hockey needs to be more popular in the States, then they do this bonehead play.

Screw the NHL, I'll stick with my NFL. Now if only the NFL were allowed to expand into canada....wait they aren't allowed to. Can't let the NFL destroy the CFL.


Screw football and the NFL! Football blows! For every minute of play there's five minutes of the players just standing there. It's boring! DO SOMETHING! The NHL is way better then the NFL.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:32
Hockey in Canada sucks, and NHL sucks the worst. It is a national shame.
It's a thugs game, Goons on ice, pro-wrestling on skates.
I enjoy watching boxing, out and out combat with strict rules, where cheaters and dirty players are neither admired or rewarded, and where talent and intelligence prevail. (Of coure the goons that run it area as corrupt as a Russian billionaire). I'll be battered and fried before I'll watch the stupid goonery that is an NHL game.

The violence, intolerance, bad sportsmanship etc that poison NHL hockey extend all the way through organised leagues down to around 11 years old. Bleh.

People here remember the "Good old days" with 6 teams etc, and remember the first championship against the Russians. Know why we won that? Because we took a cheap shot at their best guy and crippled him enough he couldn't play. How about that for an inspiration for Canadian youth. Canadian hockey is bullshit.

That's not to say Hockey is bullshit. Take out the goonery and the violence, and get a bigger (European) rink, back off the pinball checking (substituted for talent) and you've got a game. Pity they don't play it in Canada.

Bah, Hockey in Canada didn't get real dirty until we allowed in so many European players. The fact is in the old days yeah, you might get in a fight, get a tooth knocked out or a bloody nose. It was the European players who brought dirty play to the game, high sticking, trying to take out people's eyes, etc. The game is a rough one, no doubt about it, not for wimps, but if you want to talk about dirty players, the Europeans have the market cornered on that.
Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 18:32
hey, I started this thread, and I was just wanting to hear what Canadians thought of the lost NHL season (and maybe a bit about losing MLB teams).

stop pissing! :fluffle:
British Columbia CA
18-02-2005, 18:34
This could be the best thing to happen to hockey, all the whining owners (most of them Americans) and spoilt players (who are now begging what EU teams are left open for a spot to play, at a fraction of what they would have made) will realize that in the hearts of the true blue hockey fan they really don’t hold that much stock and the occasional fan has forgotten their names. I think Europe will become the next great hockey hotspot where teams and owners will learn form the blunders of North American bad management and all around greed. This isn’t meant as a poke at our neighbors to the south, I didn’t care when you elected bush I didn’t care when you bombed the world for oil but you killed our game and now I’m mad and a little scared that something like trampoline basket ball or XFL will try and fill the void so like any true Canadian I’ll handle this in the only way that makes sense I’m going out to get drunk. See ya later eh.
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:36
Then why isn't America interested in pro Lacrosse, afterall we have the best players and teams in the world? But it get's less attention then Arena Football.

Hockey is a boring game. It is a game extremely full of mistakes, missed passes, turnovers, etc. Americans like to see the professionals earn their money by making few errors. We like as flawless a performance as is possible. History doesn't remember the team or person who finishes second. Canada seems to have the problem of honoring failure. As was the example in the last olympics.
What NFL are you watching? Mistakes are always committed in every sport. The offense commits an error every time it fails to get a first down, and when they score it is a defensive error. A large part of the fun of watching any sport is the gritty struggles on field which never turn out perfectly and keep you on edge all the time.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:37
This could be the best thing to happen to hockey, all the whining owners (most of them Americans) and spoilt players (who are now begging what EU teams are left open for a spot to play, at a fraction of what they would have made) will realize that in the hearts of the true blue hockey fan they really don’t hold that much stock and the occasional fan has forgotten their names. I think Europe will become the next great hockey hotspot where teams and owners will learn form the blunders of North American bad management and all around greed. This isn’t meant as a poke at our neighbors to the south, I didn’t care when you elected bush I didn’t care when you bombed the world for oil but you killed our game and now I’m mad and a little scared that something like trampoline basket ball or XFL will try and fill the void so like any true Canadian I’ll handle this in the only way that makes sense I’m going out to get drunk. See ya later eh.

*LOL* Well Said! :cool:
Latouria
18-02-2005, 18:38
I haven't cared since we lost the Jets to Phoenix
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 18:38
Bah, Hockey in Canada didn't get real dirty until we allowed in so many European players. The fact is in the old days yeah, you might get in a fight, get a tooth knocked out or a bloody nose. It was the European players who brought dirty play to the game, high sticking, trying to take out people's eyes, etc. The game is a rough one, no doubt about it, not for wimps, but if you want to talk about dirty players, the Europeans have the market cornered on that.
Never thought about it like that. I thought you imported the European players for their skills. They certainly aren't the thugs in their teams. Often times they are the ones you have the 'polices' protecting for. Thenagain, not so interested about NHL. You should know better. Thank you though. At least we got our boys back for this season. :)
Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 18:39
Never thought about it like that. I thought you imported the European players for their skills. They certainly aren't the thugs in their teams. Often times they are the ones you have the 'polices' protecting for. Thenagain, not so interested about NHL. You should know better. Thank you though. At least we got our boys back for this season. :)

I thought the greatest hockey player of all time was Maurice Richard.

He was more than a little rough, IIRC.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:42
What NFL are you watching? Mistakes are always committed in every sport. The offense commits an error every time it fails to get a first down, and when they score it is a defensive error. A large part of the fun of watching any sport is the gritty struggles on field which never turn out perfectly and keep you on edge all the time.

Yes they make mistakes, I never said they didn't. In hockey though, mistakes happen on every play, usually.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 18:42
I used to watch the Canadiens play at the old Montreal Forum, back when such luminaries as Guy Lafleur were on the team. I'll tell you, the game was impressive as Hell. Virtually no time wasted on pointless fighting. It was fast-paced passing, expert skating, and it was pure excitement.

I went to a Leafs game nearly twenty years later, and you know? It was slower. More given to fights. Less accomplished.

But I blame American sensibilities. The NHL knows what sells in backwater bogs, and it sure as Hell ain't hockey. It's freakin' roller-derby on ice. That's what became of our national game - it got dumbed down and punched up to get the interest of the lowest common denominator in trailer parks throughout the US.

I hope all those flimsy little US franchises just dry up and blow away. They will be best forgotten. In fact, I hope the WHA steps in to fill the void.
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 18:42
He may have been WL. I'm not big on these 'the greatest'/'the bigegst' thingies. I never said the European players are best. I didn't even say they are necessarily better. I just assumed they were drafted cos the teams thought they had talent. Why import thugs from Europe? But what do I know.
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:44
Yes they make mistakes, I never said they didn't. In hockey though, mistakes happen on every play, usually.
In hockey the game is far more fast paced, with a large number of players in a relatively small area, so the puck is changing hands constantly but I don't think that lessens the excitement of a game.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:45
Screw football and the NFL! Football blows! For every minute of play there's five minutes of the players just standing there. It's boring! DO SOMETHING! The NHL is way better then the NFL.

If you go to a an NFL game that isn't televised, the game is very quick. It is because of the damn commercials that they have to take tv timeouts. Without those pesky ads, an NFL game wouldn't take long at all.

The NFL is way better then the NHL, mainly becuase of the business sense the league has. When was the last time an NFL season was cancelled?
Antebellum South
18-02-2005, 18:46
Screw football and the NFL! Football blows! For every minute of play there's five minutes of the players just standing there. It's boring! DO SOMETHING! The NHL is way better then the NFL.
College football > NFL > NHL
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:46
Never thought about it like that. I thought you imported the European players for their skills. They certainly aren't the thugs in their teams. Often times they are the ones you have the 'polices' protecting for. Thenagain, not so interested about NHL. You should know better. Thank you though. At least we got our boys back for this season. :)

Oh not all things about the Europeans is bad, don't get me wrong. The Europeans sure turned up the volume in terms of speed in the game. It's a much faster played game now thanks to them. I think that's a good thing.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:46
I used to watch the Canadiens play at the old Montreal Forum, back when such luminaries as Guy Lafleur were on the team. I'll tell you, the game was impressive as Hell. Virtually no time wasted on pointless fighting. It was fast-paced passing, expert skating, and it was pure excitement.

I went to a Leafs game nearly twenty years later, and you know? It was slower. More given to fights. Less accomplished.

But I blame American sensibilities. The NHL knows what sells in backwater bogs, and it sure as Hell ain't hockey. It's freakin' roller-derby on ice. That's what became of our national game - it got dumbed down and punched up to get the interest of the lowest common denominator in trailer parks throughout the US.

I hope all those flimsy little US franchises just dry up and blow away. They will be best forgotten. In fact, I hope the WHA steps in to fill the void.

Your national game is actually Lacrosse.
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 18:48
Great. This is turning to another productive X is better than Y thread. Nice to see it's hockey instead of soccer this time.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 18:49
If you go to a an NFL game that isn't televised, the game is very quick. It is because of the damn commercials that they have to take tv timeouts. Without those pesky ads, an NFL game wouldn't take long at all.

The NFL is way better then the NHL, mainly becuase of the business sense the league has. When was the last time an NFL season was cancelled?

When I want to see burly men tackling and grasping at each others' bodies, I usually prefer watching hot gay porn.

Uh - did I say 'hot gay porn' I meant Rugby. Rugby. That's right, Rugby. You don't see Rugby players stopping play for anything, and not so much as a shoulderpad or helmet to be seen.

Beutiful to watch. Much better action, er...entertainment, than NFL football.
New Morglanden
18-02-2005, 18:49
This Canadian couldn't care less.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:50
Your national game is actually Lacrosse.

That's true, but few could argue with any credibility that hockey is not Canada's game :)
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 18:51
Your national game is actually Lacrosse.

Well, this thread is about hockey, Johnny. Not about the NFL. So I guess we're BOTH off-topic, then aren't we?
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 18:51
Oh not all things about the Europeans is bad, don't get me wrong. The Europeans sure turned up the volume in terms of speed in the game. It's a much faster played game now thanks to them. I think that's a good thing.
Oh. I know what you were saying. AND: The rink is so much bigger here that it isn't exactly the same game as in NHL (well, that's my opinion anyways).
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:54
The rink is so much bigger here that it isn't exactly the same game as in NHL (well, that's my opinion anyways).

Which would probably explain why they've made our game much faster. Which to me, the faster the better. :)
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 18:56
Exactly. And that might explain why they are going for the eyes too; there's far less tackling in European hockey cos of the rink size. They get frustrated and try to get even. ;)
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 18:57
Exactly. And that might explain why they are going for the eyes too; there's far less tackling in European hockey cos of the rink size. They get frustrated and try to get even. ;)

Haha, never really thought of it like that.. might be true..lol :D
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:57
When I want to see burly men tackling and grasping at each others' bodies, I usually prefer watching hot gay porn.

Uh - did I say 'hot gay porn' I meant Rugby. Rugby. That's right, Rugby. You don't see Rugby players stopping play for anything, and not so much as a shoulderpad or helmet to be seen.

Beutiful to watch. Much better action, er...entertainment, than NFL football.

Ok lets see a rugby play suit up and play a couple of downs in the NFL, they'd be crying for Paul Hogan. It would be fun to see them go out in coverage against a wide receiver. I think rushing in the NFL would stop. It would be like...gasp...the CFL.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 18:59
Well, this thread is about hockey, Johnny. Not about the NFL. So I guess we're BOTH off-topic, then aren't we?

Brilliant. I am always off-topic, so what does it matter. Putz.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 19:03
Brilliant. I am always off-topic, so what does it matter. Putz.

Gosh Johnny. I might just have to off and whine to the mods about that last one-word phrase of yours. It's not considered nice to refer to someone as a penis. Any more bon mots to deliver, Johnny?
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 19:13
Did I read somewhere that 77% of Canadians don't miss NHL? I don't know what kind of a poll it was, or if it's true... but if it is true, why do you figure the percentage is so high? Tired of millionaires whining? The game not entertaining enough (not enough goals)...what?
R00fletrain
18-02-2005, 19:21
Well I'm an American, and the cancellation makes me very, very sad. I won't get to watch my beloved Avs this year..

By the way, fighting isn't nearly as prevalent as many of you say. At least among American teams..I watch nearly every Avs game, and they rarely fight. If they do...It's against those dirty red wings who deserve it. This isn't just the case with the Avs though..Most of the games I watch have little fighting.

My point, however, is that hockey is an acquired taste. It really is a beautiful sport. Much better than the thug-ridden NBA or the boring MLB. Although football can be fun to watch..IMO nothing beats a good hockey game.
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 19:23
Yes. There is no dull moments.
Bumblovia
18-02-2005, 19:40
If you go to a an NFL game that isn't televised, the game is very quick. It is because of the damn commercials that they have to take tv timeouts. Without those pesky ads, an NFL game wouldn't take long at all.

The NFL is way better then the NHL, mainly becuase of the business sense the league has. When was the last time an NFL season was cancelled?

And in what world of yours has NFL games that aren't televised? Every game is so I guess non-televised games are quicker, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST!!!!
Whispering Legs
18-02-2005, 19:55
I used to watch the Washington Capitals play hockey in the 1980s.

Hockey games are fun and exciting. If you haven't seen one live, you can't be in a position to say they're not worth watching.
Myrmidonisia
18-02-2005, 20:06
Great. This is turning to another productive X is better than Y thread. Nice to see it's hockey instead of soccer this time.
All we need to do is link in George Bush and the cycle is complete. John Kerry plays hockey, by the way...
Myrmidonisia
18-02-2005, 20:07
I used to watch the Washington Capitals play hockey in the 1980s.

Hockey games are fun and exciting. If you haven't seen one live, you can't be in a position to say they're not worth watching.
Go Caps! I lived in Virginia, then, and went to as many games as I could. Those were fun.
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 20:08
All we need to do is link in George Bush and the cycle is complete. John Kerry plays hockey, by the way...And he is AWESOME! Bush instead...
Personal responsibilit
18-02-2005, 20:08
I'm in mourning and I live in the U.S. Greed at it finest.
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 20:11
Greed you say!?! You don't think young men who never studied/made a days worth of 'honest' job in their lives shouldn't earn 6.8 million bucks a year playing hockey!?! You commie you.
Isselmere
18-02-2005, 20:15
Just wondering what the effect was. Oh, and thanks for the baseball team. Does this mean that all the sports teams in Canada will eventually flee south?
I've given up caring about hockey. Bettman's reign of terror has progressively destroyed the league. But with the cancellation there is much call for me to rejoice: more football (soccer). English, Spanish, international, it's great.
Isselmere
18-02-2005, 20:18
Ok lets see a rugby play suit up and play a couple of downs in the NFL, they'd be crying for Paul Hogan. It would be fun to see them go out in coverage against a wide receiver. I think rushing in the NFL would stop. It would be like...gasp...the CFL.
You obviously no shit about rugby, then.
Moocowistan
18-02-2005, 20:19
As a Calgarian, I'm particularly miffed at missing the Hockey this year. However, my miffedness goes deeper than just that. The fact that two relatively small franchises ended up vying for the Cup seemed to indicate that there might be a shift in the way the game is played that allowed something other than the size of your payroll to dictate your chances at success. The cancellation of the season means that we'll likely never found out if something was to come from the surprising turn of events that took place during the playoffs. The game finally looked like it might be taking a turn for the better for once, and the people at the top decided to take a big smelly dump all over the hopes and dreams of the fans. I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm most definitely dissappointed.

Oh, and Rugby is the best sport on the face of the planet. No if's and's or but's about it.
Myrmidonisia
18-02-2005, 20:22
I've given up caring about hockey. Bettman's reign of terror has progressively destroyed the league. But with the cancellation there is much call for me to rejoice: more football (soccer). English, Spanish, international, it's great.
You'll love this from SI regarding Mr. Bettman

Now think of yourself as Bettman. You promised your owners absolute cost certainty, an idiot-proof collective bargaining agreement that would make it a real challenge to lose money. After the last CBA, which you initially liked so much you extended it twice, you are obliged to deliver. If you surrender now or if somehow the union, through the National Labor Relations Board, nails you for not bargaining in good faith, you have failed. Even if you win a salary cap and a linkage between revenues and salaries but in doing so drastically have shrunk revenues, you have not done the owners any favors. (Bettman, a member of the generation indelibly marked by the Vietnam War, is familiar with the notion of bombing the country in order to save it.)


How they worked Vietnam into it still sort of confuses me.
Personal responsibilit
18-02-2005, 20:23
Greed you say!?! You don't think young men who never studied/made a days worth of 'honest' job in their lives shouldn't earn 6.8 million bucks a year playing hockey!?! You commie you.

Actually, it is probably greed on both sides, but no, I don't think anyone should get paid millions of dollars for playing a game, even though I very much enjoy watching them.
Myrmidonisia
18-02-2005, 20:32
Actually, it is probably greed on both sides, but no, I don't think anyone should get paid millions of dollars for playing a game, even though I very much enjoy watching them.
Look it's entertainment. I don't see anyone squawking about how much Tom Cruise got for his last substandard performance. So why should we care about what pro athletes get paid?
Bunnyducks
18-02-2005, 20:37
Cos we are jealous?
Huan Chimpo
18-02-2005, 20:44
Look it's entertainment. I don't see anyone squawking about how much Tom Cruise got for his last substandard performance. So why should we care about what pro athletes get paid?

Because Tom Cruise getting paid $?? millions for a rubbish film doesnt bring down the entire film industry, resulting in no new films.

Both the owners and players are greedy idiots who have probably destroyed the sport in the US but thankfully this wont have a world wide impact as the rest of the world can learn from you crazy yanks.

Being English I'd have to say i enjoyed watching the odd game of ice hockey but dont feel as though i am in mourning, as i'd much rather watch a bit of fast paced cricket!!
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 20:45
Gosh Johnny. I might just have to off and whine to the mods about that last one-word phrase of yours. It's not considered nice to refer to someone as a penis. Any more bon mots to deliver, Johnny?

Now that is mature.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 20:47
And in what world of yours has NFL games that aren't televised? Every game is so I guess non-televised games are quicker, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST!!!!

It's called a 'blackout'! ;)
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 20:48
You obviously no shit about rugby, then.

Actually I do and I have yet to see as rough play as I do in the NFL.
Myrmidonisia
18-02-2005, 20:52
Because Tom Cruise getting paid $?? millions for a rubbish film doesnt bring down the entire film industry, resulting in no new films.

Both the owners and players are greedy idiots who have probably destroyed the sport in the US but thankfully this wont have a world wide impact as the rest of the world can learn from you crazy yanks.

Being English I'd have to say i enjoyed watching the odd game of ice hockey but dont feel as though i am in mourning, as i'd much rather watch a bit of fast paced cricket!!
We've got two teams in Atlanta. The NHL team plays downtown, it's hard to get to and really expensive. The IHL team plays five miles from my house, has free parking, and season tickets run around $100. There's really no choice

How do the cricket teams manage to avoid all the labor relations problems? I played once when I was in India. We bought some bats and balls for the laborers that were helping us and it was fun. Mostly we anglos just batted. I never did figure out why the pitcher (bowler?) has to run up to the line and then throw. Baseball pitchers do pretty well from 60 feet, without the running.
Stephistan
18-02-2005, 20:52
It's called a 'blackout'! ;)

Umm, which usually only occurs in the city the game is being played in .. doh! :rolleyes:
East Canuck
18-02-2005, 20:54
Just wondering what the effect was. Oh, and thanks for the baseball team. Does this mean that all the sports teams in Canada will eventually flee south?
You know, WL, I consider your comments as flame-baiting. I'm sure you didn't expect the answers that posters came up with becuase you sure laid some traps there.

Hey Canada? Like we are the only ones who care about Hockey. Ask some people in Chicago, Detroit or Philadelphia and you will get some opinion about the conflict.

No Hockey League? How is that not flame-baiting?

Thanks for the baseball team? How is that connected to the NHL conflict?

Does this mean that all the sports teams in Canada will eventually flee south? Why a legitimate question, I see it as another attack on Canada like you are so prone to do.

Welcome to my ignore list.

And I would like to thank the other posters who didn't fall for his bait.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 20:55
Now that is mature.

I'd like to respond in kind, but as the matter is now before the mods, I believe I'll decline instead.

Thank you, drive through.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 20:56
I would like to thank the other posters who didn't fall for his bait.

You're welcome.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 20:56
Umm, which usually only occurs in the city the game is being played in .. doh! :rolleyes:

No, a blackout game means that it is not broadcast by the NFL in any other city either.
Yourmammas
18-02-2005, 21:01
I have been reading this forum in horror !!
i would actually like to know how many canadians are on this forum.
i would also like to know how many people have actually been to a hockey game.
and more importantly how many people have here played organized hockey.
i played organized hockey in a league for over 12 years, i learned to skate practically before i learned to walk. the violence in hocky is not always the goons, it is usually a pumped up adrenilin rush. and as a person who has been in a fair share of scraps, players dont get hurt in fights, the get hurt in bonehead rules like the "touch icing". i have also played football, soccer, and baseball, but none of them gave me the same rush that hockey gave me. this forum is filled with mostly loudmouth idiots who are uneducated in the greatest game in the world. the downfall of the NHL came with the control of the Yankee Gary Bettman (or BUTTman), and his mass expansion to the US.
little stat for you.... the Toronto Maple Leafs have sold every seat in the ACC and the Maple Leaf Gardens for every game since 1928..... what other team in any country has a record like that. the NHL failuire is entirely to blame on the American oard of directors who saw it as a mioney making scheme and not a sport.
East Canuck
18-02-2005, 21:04
little stat for you.... the Toronto Maple Leafs have sold every seat in the ACC and the Maple Leaf Gardens for every game since 1928..... what other team in any country has a record like that.

The Green Bay packers.
In fact most NFL franchise are sold out a year in advance.
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 21:07
I'd like to respond in kind, but as the matter is now before the mods, I believe I'll decline instead.

Thank you, drive through.

If my "insult" hurt you that much, then I am truely sorry.
Dobbs Town
18-02-2005, 21:15
If my "insult" hurt you that much, then I am truely sorry.

If you're putting the word 'insult' in quotations, I'd say chances are you're being insincere.

Stick by your guns, Johnny. I know I will.
Italian Korea
18-02-2005, 21:15
I used to watch hockey back when I lived in Detroit, about 6 years ago. Most of my family were hockey fanatics. I liked hockey too.

I haven't seen any hockey in a looong time, though. I don't know what's happened to the sport that people don't like...
Johnny Wadd
18-02-2005, 21:16
If you're putting the word 'insult' in quotations, I'd say chances are you're being insincere.

Stick by your guns, Johnny. I know I will.

I didn't feel like it was a serious insult, but if you did, then yes my apology is still sincere.
GlXilicon
18-02-2005, 21:23
It's more worthy to 'mourn' over the fact that so many people still care about professional sports of any kind. ALL professional and even some amateur sports, unless they are played strictly for fun, are about the lowest common denominator. :rolleyes:
Yourmammas
21-02-2005, 20:00
Just to Clarify, only season tickets are allowed to be sold a year ahead for NHL teams, and they only make up a small percentage of the total seats in arenas. As a die hard hockey fan it is still almost impossible for me to get a hold of tickets. it is even difficult to get them from scalplers. no matter how unpopular the game is in the desert regions of the USA, it is still the most popular game in Canada. although various views are shown by the press, the die hard hockey fans and players are in mourning, and the people who were never major hockey fans are getting a lot of press time. :headbang: