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Which of these leaders do you admire most?

Your a poll fetishist's wet dream Sankaraland :p

can i vote none of the above?

nelson mandella?

...is not present day. shit.
Kofi Annan then

Where is Tony Blair?

Yup, where's Mandela on this list?
Good old Madiba.

Edit: Oh yeah... oops.

nelson mandella?

...is not present day. shit.
Kofi Annan then

kofi annan cos he's a black african so he'll do as a stand-in for the convicted terrorist mandela?

i don't think anyone gets to be a world leader by being admirable.

kofi annan cos he's a black african so he'll do as a stand-in for the convicted terrorist mandela?
Terrorist? Or freedom fighter?
And you know, it's not like the ANC just randomly decided to blow things up... This was last resort stuff, and it was painstakingly thought out and debated for ages.

And I don't place much creedence in being convicted for terrorism (it was actually treason btw) by a government that used torture and mercilessly oppressed 80% of the poulation.

Terrorist? Or freedom fighter?
And you know, it's not like the ANC just randomly decided to blow things up... This was last resort stuff, and it was painstakingly thought out and debated for ages.

for most people terrorist is someone you dislike and freedom fighter is someone who does exactly the same things but you like them. So the distinction is academic. Whatever reason he blew stuff up for, he blew stuff up. Did he kill anyone? I don't know.

I don't support apartheid regimes by the way. Well, I bought some israeli chocolate the other day but that was by accident. And I don't necessarily disapprove of what Mandela did. But I think it is important to remember that he wasnt locked up for speaking his mind, but for blowing stuff up.

kofi annan cos he's a black african so he'll do as a stand-in for the convicted terrorist mandela?

i don't think anyone gets to be a world leader by being admirable.
i honestly admire kofi annan for what the UN, and thus by extention, he does.

i don't really think kofi annan is responsible for what the UN does.

Terrorism is badass.

But I think it is important to remember that he wasnt locked up for speaking his mind, but for blowing stuff up.
See, I have no problem with that because of the way they went about it, and because sometimes I feel armed struggle is necessary.
First they tried to use non-violent means, but the state just met them with violence.
Then they tried low level sabotage, and that wasn't effective... etc. Basically it was a well thought out strategy and the intention was not to take life, but to win freedom.
Compared to the apartheid state Madiba is an angel.

Yeah, Mandela's a revered figure of world peace now.
Even though he's old and frail, John Paul II's also admired by a lot of people.

Where is Tony Blair?
Anthony Blair, third on the list. But you can't really want to vote for him? :p

Ariel Sharon.

Ariel Sharon.

why do you admire him? He is a terrorist, warmonger and oppressor of his citizens. What's to admire?

On that list I can only really vote for the Dalai Lama, he's the only one who has consistently behaved and conducted himself admirably.

I think Putin isn't all bad.
But most admired?????

Davíð Oddsson !

Other- Slobodan Milosevic, he may be in captivity, but he is still the spiritual leader of all Christians and keepers of Western Civilization who will dare to stand against the rising tide of Muslim invasion into the heartland of Europe.

Terrorist? Or freedom fighter?
And you know, it's not like the ANC just randomly decided to blow things up... This was last resort stuff, and it was painstakingly thought out and debated for ages.

And I don't place much creedence in being convicted for terrorism (it was actually treason btw) by a government that used torture and mercilessly oppressed 80% of the poulation.


ANC were terrorists. How I hate the ANC, all they did was blow things up and cause terror.

Pretoria- May 20th, 1983. At the time, the largest car bomb in South African history. 14 people were killed and 180 injured.

why do you admire him? He is a terrorist, warmonger and oppressor of his citizens. What's to admire?

As opposed to the wonderful Yasser Arafat who tried so peacefully to stop the infidata?

ANC were terrorists. How I hate the ANC, all they did was blow things up and cause terror.

Pretoria- May 20th, 1983. At the time, the largest car bomb in South African history. 14 people were killed and 180 injured.

And Milosevic just gathers daisies and dances with pixies? :rolleyes:

And Milosevic just gathers daisies and dances with pixies? :rolleyes:


Milosevic was fighting to save Serbia from KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) terrorists.

Milosevic was fighting to save Serbia from KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) terrorists.
You make it seem so inncoent. Obviously the mental strain of the entire conflict is still making him unfit to sit a war crimes tribunal.

why do you admire him? He is a terrorist, warmonger and oppressor of his citizens. What's to admire?

As opposed to the wonderful Yasser Arafat who tried so peacefully to stop the infidata?

Do you actually believe that anyone who thinks Ariel Sharon is a terrorist also thinks Yasser Arafat was the angel of peace?

Here are some stats for YOU VoteEarly.

In the 1976 student riots the official death toll was 23. Estimates have it as high as 200.

At least 69 people were killed when police opened fire on protestors in Sharpeville. They were protesting against pass laws.

Add to that deaths in custody, lives lost in the wars in Angola and Mozambique among other things and it's a lovely picture. Oh, and people like my dads family losing their home so the Group Areas Act could be enforced.

And heres a nice little chart.

http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/pictures/table.jpg

Do you actually believe that anyone who thinks Ariel Sharon is a terrorist also thinks Yasser Arafat was the angel of peace?
No, I'm just comparing the two in the 'peace effort' that took so long.

ANC were terrorists. How I hate the ANC, all they did was blow things up and cause terror.

Pretoria- May 20th, 1983. At the time, the largest car bomb in South African history. 14 people were killed and 180 injured.

You get Miss Flamebait February I think. This level of debate is lame.

Milosevic was fighting to save Serbia from KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) terrorists.

Please define "terrorist".

Please quote the bit in the bible where jesus says "be sure and use violence to defned christian lands from the incursion of people of other faiths"

"be sure and use violence to defned christian lands from the incursion of people of other faiths"
Somewhere in the back... ;)

Please define "terrorist".

Please quote the bit in the bible where jesus says "be sure and use violence to defned christian lands from the incursion of people of other faiths"


Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Here are some stats for YOU VoteEarly.

In the 1976 student riots the official death toll was 23. Estimates have it as high as 200.

At least 69 people were killed when police opened fire on protestors in Sharpeville. They were protesting against pass laws.

Add to that deaths in custody, lives lost in the wars in Angola and Mozambique among other things and it's a lovely picture. Oh, and people like my dads family losing their home so the Group Areas Act could be enforced.

And heres a nice little chart.

http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/pictures/table.jpg

I know about Angola and Mozambique, many a brave Boer fell in those hostile lands, so that South Africa could breath free for yet another day. But in the end South Africa was betrayed by the "democracies" of the West and by the UN/NATO, much like Rhodesia was betrayed.

Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

And?

As any NRA member knows, there's a lot of difference between being a gun-owner and being a murderer. So jesus said get a sword. and where did he say "go and kill people" ?

I know about Angola and Mozambique, many a brave Boer fell in those hostile lands, so that South Africa could breath free for yet another day. But in the end South Africa was betrayed by the "democracies" of the West and by the UN/NATO, much like Rhodesia was betrayed.

It's called Zimbabwe.

And racism is lovely isn't it? :rolleyes:

I know about Angola and Mozambique, many a brave Boer fell in those hostile lands, so that South Africa could breath free for yet another day. But in the end South Africa was betrayed by the "democracies" of the West and by the UN/NATO, much like Rhodesia was betrayed.

The minority government of South Africa fell because the free peoples of the world wouldn't buy stuff from it.

Incidentally, when you say "South Africa could breath free" what do you mean? the people of SA? or a tiny tiny percentage of the people of SA?

It's called Zimbabwe.

And racism is lovely isn't it? :rolleyes:

can you believe i got a warning for flaming this person?

Why Bush is on the list? Is it a joke?

Charlton Helton is my leader. :sniper:

C'mon, keep it going and throw a few 'whites are superior/Jews are destroying the world' comments around. We've been lacking a forum pet-nazi since Parra buggered off, another one repented and the rest (assumed to be controlled by the same 1-2 people) disapeared.

can you believe i got a warning for flaming this person?
:S And yet he/she doesn't get a warning for blatantly racist posts? I think our priorities are out of whack.

It's called Zimbabwe.

And racism is lovely isn't it? :rolleyes:


I've always known it as Rhodesia and I'll never call it anything but Rhodesia. Although what it is today, doesn't deserve to be called Rhodesia, the rightful name is Rhodesia, and thus it shall remain so in my eyes.

Rise, O voices of Rhodesia.

Voted for the 'Lama. It's funny to see how popular he is in this poll, because I have the impression that most of the NS'ers are christian Americans. Not that it's an unpleasant surprise though. :)

C'mon, keep it going and throw a few 'whites are superior/Jews are destroying the world' comments around. We've been lacking a forum pet-nazi since Parra buggered off, another one repented and the rest (assumed to be controlled by the same 1-2 people) disapeared.
Parra pretty much repented aswell, or atleast lost some of her zeal

I've always known it as Rhodesia and I'll never call it anything but Rhodesia. Although what it is today, doesn't deserve to be called Rhodesia, the rightful name is Rhodesia, and thus it shall remain so in my eyes.

Rise, O voices of Rhodesia.

I wonder what it was called before Rhodes got there. And I wonder how it would have got on without those hated English (like Rhodes) (and the british army that waged a guerilla war against the local guerillas in the 50s)

Parra pretty much repented aswell, or atleast lost some of her zeal

Schorgie! he was one. I was trying to remember the others names.

Voted for the 'Lama. It's funny to see how popular he is in this poll, because I have the impression that most of the NS'ers are christian Americans. Not that it's an unpleasant surprise though. :)

Christian American... Yuck!

Other.. Great leaders to me were those that lead a country out of poverty or peace

Deng Xiao Peng, Lee Kuan Yew, Mendela..

It's hard to vote on this poll, there are at least half of the choices who are not world leaders.

Mr. Dean who is Leader of DNC

He stands up against Injustice. Against a wrong war. Against the slander Republicans have put Democrats though.

He stands up for the middle man and the poor.

Sharon. He's going to settle the Israeli/palestinian dispute or get assasinated trying.

You know, I can't really think of a world leader I respect. Certainly not anyone on that list.

Does it have to be a leader in power, or can it be a politician? If the latter, I choose Morgan something-or-other (forgot his last name), leader of the MDC in Zimbabwe.

My favorite leader in power is Thaksin Shinawatra, hands down.

Any president of a country that didn't go to war.

Castro, hands down.

Anyone who can effectivly give the US the finger for 45-some-odd years, and also acheive what he's done for education, and equality in Cuba, deserves respect in my book.

Of course, I expect someone unifnromed American to come start arguing with my choice, calling Castro an oppressive ruler.
So, all informed Americans, I'll deal with you.

Go Castro!

Castro, hands down.

Anyone who can effectivly give the US the finger for 45-some-odd years, and also acheive what he's done for education, and equality in Cuba, deserves respect in my book.

Of course, I expect someone unifnromed American to come start arguing with my choice, calling Castro an oppressive ruler.
So, all informed Americans, I'll deal with you.

Go Castro!

Castro's the biggest hypocrite in the world. He calls the U.S. "fascists," yet when he was a young man, he spent hours in front of the mirror with a tape recorder trying to imitate his hero, il Duce. He always decries imperialism, yet what do you call his actions in Angola, Nicaragua, and the rest of Africa and Central America?