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And my proof for this amazing statement:

1. He wore sandals
2. He wore a robe
3. He breached love, peace and forgiveness to all peoples (yes even Democrats)
4. He didn't have a job
5. He had a beard
6. He hated war

If American Christian fundamentalists saw such a man walk down the streets today, they would probably beat him to death with their over sized egos and their dreary, endless, patronising preaching.

Tell us something we didn't already know...

Wasn't he a carpenter?

yep and noah and his family belonged to a union...
think about it...only union guys would be able to build an arc that could carry two of every animal in that short a time period :cool:

Well, I already knew that the far christian right is hypocritical.

Wouldn't it make more sense for christian fundementalists to be socialist libertarians? Wouldn't that be more in line with the teachings of Jesus and the bible?

yep and noah and his family belonged to a union...
think about it...only union guys would be able to build an arc that could carry two of every animal in that short a time period :cool:

You're kidding, right? My house was built by union guys, and it took nearly 8 months to complete when it should've taken 5.

Well, I already knew that the far christian right is hypocritical.

Wouldn't it make more sense for christian fundementalists to be socialist libertarians? Wouldn't that be more in line with the teachings of Jesus and the bible?

No, they'd actually be more centrist than libertarian; Jesus would indeed oppose gay marriage, but he would also oppose war.

That's the problem with religion in politics; Republicans don't get it right, and democrats don't get it at all.

Wasn't he a carpenter?
No, just a carpenter's son. The bible, according to my reccollection, never has him doing any work whatsoever. A true hippie. Too bad they didn't have Grateful Dead concerts back then. Maybe they would have kept him occupied and out of trouble.

Wasn't he a carpenter?
Good point. He had a job, so he could never have been a hippie

No, just a carpenter's son. The bible, according to my reccollection, never has him doing any work whatsoever. A true hippie. Too bad they didn't have Grateful Dead concerts back then. Maybe they would have kept him occupied and out of trouble.

I guess I don't see dying for humanity's sins as causing trouble, but maybe that's just me ;)

I guess I don't see dying for humanity's sins as causing trouble, but maybe that's just me ;)
I like my sins. They make me unique.

Good point. He had a job, so he could never have been a hippie

In the Simpsons, a couple of hippies owned an organic vegetable farm. Hippies can have jobs if it's their own homemade thing. The Simpsons are never wrong.

I like my sins. They make me unique.

Yeah. Everyone's sins are indeed different from others sins...

There is no point to this topic.

There is no point to this topic.

If this topic had no point, it wouldn't really be a topic - now would it?

Yeah. Everyone's sins are indeed different from others sins...
Like the time I got that nun to spank me. I'd bet very few people have had that experience.

There is no point to this topic.

no the point is definitely to lure jesussaves out of hiding so we can watch him yell at us for being non-believers ;)

*picture me sitting in a field holding a string...attached to a stick...that's holding up a box...that's over a harry potter book...it's my patented 'jesussaves catcher' (tm)*

No, just a carpenter's son. The bible, according to my reccollection, never has him doing any work whatsoever. A true hippie. Too bad they didn't have Grateful Dead concerts back then. Maybe they would have kept him occupied and out of trouble.

What are you talking about? Jesus invented the chair! Mel Gibson said so!

What are you talking about? Jesus invented the chair! Mel Gibson said so!
Well I guess I stand corrected then. After all, who am I to argue with the genius who invented the religious snuff film?

Hold on now, you must understand you maleducated people of the times of Jesus. Remeber that Jesus was alive during the Roman Empire, a sum of 2000 years ago. For the facts stated at hand i find no evidence to prove that Jesus was a "hippie".
1) In the custom of the time it was natural for men to have beards, and even than we do not know if Jesus had a beard, were you alive than?
2) the teachings that Jesus potrayed were teachings of the old testamnet to their ultimate meanings.
3) Jesus, if you ever read the Bible, according to Revelation will have a full fledged war agaist evil and the the evil people of the world.

And to put Jesus in the same catagory as a Hippie is absurd. Common those little peace all love, the reason why we have all these sexual diseases, the reason why our society went down hill. If you remeber Jesus did none of that , infact he made this world better.

And my proof for this amazing statement:

1. He wore sandals
2. He wore a robe
3. He breached love, peace and forgiveness to all peoples (yes even Democrats)
4. He didn't have a job
5. He had a beard
6. He hated war

If American Christian fundamentalists saw such a man walk down the streets today, they would probably beat him to death with their over sized egos and their dreary, endless, patronising preaching.

No, you see Jesus existed way before the hippies. The hippies were like Jesus, not the other way around.

he also wore a thong.

he also wore a thong.
And pasies, as I recall.

Hold on now, you must understand you maleducated people of the times of Jesus. Remeber that Jesus was alive during the Roman Empire, a sum of 2000 years ago. For the facts stated at hand i find no evidence to prove that Jesus was a "hippie".
1) In the custom of the time it was natural for men to have beards, and even than we do not know if Jesus had a beard, were you alive than?
2) the teachings that Jesus potrayed were teachings of the old testamnet to their ultimate meanings.
3) Jesus, if you ever read the Bible, according to Revelation will have a full fledged war agaist evil and the the evil people of the world.

And to put Jesus in the same catagory as a Hippie is absurd. Common those little peace all love, the reason why we have all these sexual diseases, the reason why our society went down hill. If you remeber Jesus did none of that , infact he made this world better.

Ummm isnt someone taking my thread a little too seriously? Next you be telling me that I am blaspheming and am going to hell.

Ummm isnt someone taking my thread a little too seriously? Next you be telling me that I am blaspheming and am going to hell.

stop blaspheming, you're going to hell.

there, i've saved you all the trouble.

Wouldn't it make more sense for christian fundementalists to be socialist libertarians? Wouldn't that be more in line with the teachings of Jesus and the bible?

IE anarchists? Leo Tolstoy actually argued this in his book The Kingdom of God is within You.

Ummm isnt someone taking my thread a little too seriously? Next you be telling me that I am blaspheming and am going to hell.

Yes you are. If your right arm sins, better you cut it off and throw in in the fire rather than your whole body burning in Hell.

You've been typing very naughty things, I'll get the hacksaw. :D

Yes we know that Modern right wing christian fundies are nothing like Jesus is portrayed to have been like. He's more like Modern day christian hippy types.

yep and noah and his family belonged to a union...
think about it...only union guys would be able to build an arc that could carry two of every animal in that short a time period :cool:

And could get away with charging nothing less than the entire world for their services.

Yes we know that Modern right wing christian fundies are nothing like Jesus is portrayed to have been like. He's more like Modern day christian hippy types.

IMO Right wing christian fundies are like the pharisee's. Condemning sinful people and crucifying the sinners. Pharisee's were very lawful men, but really fanatical about religion and the laws.

Jesus was not a hippy. I know that many liberals would like to think that Jesus was a hippy, but it's simply not true. Jesus was not a pacifist and let me show you a few examples of things that Jesus said....

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

Also notice that Jesus does not condemn the Roman centurion for his behavior when he came begging Jesus to heal his daughter...

5When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.” 7Jesus said to him, “I will go and heal him.” 8The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith." - 5When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.” - Matthew 8:5-13

Jesus also advocated self-defense...

"Then Jesus asked [his disciples], “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied." - Luke 22:35-38

Also to say that Jesus never had a job is erroneous...

"Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed (Greek, ekplesso). "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him. Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." (Mark 6:1-4)

Jesus was not a sexual liberator either. His views on divorce were far from the current acceptable practices of divorce and remarriage...

"And some Pharisees came to Him, testing Him, and saying, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause at all?" And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ' For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh'? Consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." They *said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?" He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." (Matt 19:3-9)

Ok that's it for now. I just wanted to make some sensible points about the topic. Take care

Hold on now, you must understand you maleducated people of the times of Jesus. Remeber that Jesus was alive during the Roman Empire, a sum of 2000 years ago. For the facts stated at hand i find no evidence to prove that Jesus was a "hippie".
1) In the custom of the time it was natural for men to have beards, and even than we do not know if Jesus had a beard, were you alive than?
2) the teachings that Jesus potrayed were teachings of the old testamnet to their ultimate meanings.
3) Jesus, if you ever read the Bible, according to Revelation will have a full fledged war agaist evil and the the evil people of the world.

And to put Jesus in the same catagory as a Hippie is absurd. Common those little peace all love, the reason why we have all these sexual diseases, the reason why our society went down hill. If you remeber Jesus did none of that , infact he made this world better.

1) The hair. No culture since the dawn of civilization (and even a great many that never reached civilization) ever has men and women leave their hair unstyled. Usually men have the simpler shorter hair, sometimes the other way around, sometimes women have to hide it, sometimes men do. Jesus was portrayed not only as having long hair and a beard, but untrimmed hair and an untrimmed beard. His hair style as well as his clothes were a rejection of earthly culture. He symbollized the enlightened principle that NO culture, not Imperial Roman culture, not traditional Jewish culture, and certainly not Southern Conservative Baptist culture has any monopolistic claim on morality. To be moral is to look beyond your culture and see moral principles as their ultimate meanings.

2)Old Testament. Jesus was NOT teaching the Old Testament to any ultimate meaning. The Old Testament says nothing about having to be perfect before you were allowed to start stoning people to death. The Old Testament was merely a collection of tribal mores that were only ever written down because they were of anthropological interest to the Greeks who commisioned their canonization. Jesus taught morality in its ultimate meaning, which superceded the Old Testament in occasions where that Testament, or any other, lead you to be an asshole.

3)Warrior Jesus. You seem to be missing the fact that that's not supposed to happen until THE END OF THE FRIGGIN WORLD! In life, death, and ressurection Jesus is a pacifist. When it comes time to wipe evil from creation then it's all supposed to go pear shaped. Then, and only then, can you claim that Jesus is a warrior. What he is supposed to do at the end of the world was not what he came to Earth to show us. Otherwise he'd have incited the Jews to rebel against the Romans, right? He may still have let them crucify him, but he'd have given them a fight first. He didn't because what he wanted us to learn from his life was peace.

If we were supposed to learn warrior principles from his example then don't you think he would have demonstrated them before the last of us is supposed to be stricken from the face of the Earth?

4) The Sex Thing. Fine, Jesus was better than hippies. In the same way that Hitler was worse than Bush. Quantitativly, but not Qualitativly.

Hippies fall short of the example of Jesus. They embrace peace, love, kindness, being good guardians of the Earth that God gave us, and they don't believe that anyone has the right to control anyone elses spiritual life because everyone's relationship with God involves only two figures, the person and God. Their only failing, from a Biblical perspective, is that they only divested themselves of the very worst sins. Sins in which one person does harm to others for the sake of themselves. They never got around to contemplating how unguided hedonism might be a bit pointless. It would be rather hard for them to see that though, because all around them they had people telling them that in order to be a good person you had to kill for money and for rich angry old men. Their supposed moral leaders were telling them to commit the very worst of sins, of course they'd have thought that they were doing pretty well by only commiting the very least of sins. But then again that's what Eden was supposed to be.

Conservative Christians (hereafter ConXians) have totally turned their backs on Jesus.
Jesus taught love and peace
ConXians preach war and intolerance.
Jesus preached lifting oneself above one's upbringing (no man may join me who hateth not his father), ConXians believe in imposing our upbringing on those who never had it and don't want it.
Jesus taught divesting oneself of material wealth (take all that thou hast and give it to the poor)
ConXians condemn those with whom they disagree as Communists (Pat Robertson in particular condemned femminism as a plot to lure women away from capitalism).

Hippies are quantitativly unlike Christ.
Conservative Christians are qualitativly unlike Christ.

ConXians preach war and intolerance.
I would like to bring up a topic for discussion here. It would seem that historically speaking, Christians Muslims, Jews, Liberals, Nazis, Communists, etc. have all been guilty of intolerance. But today we are living in a society where most Christian cultures have fairly significant social and political freedoms. Calvin's Christian police state was a thing of the past and Puritanism, to put it in the words of G.K. Chesterton, was a "noble failure." Since then, Christianity has been reconciled (politically speaking) with liberal democracy (in contrast with many Islamic countries). I would argue that a conservative Christian society (such as the United States in the 1950's) is a society capable of maintaining its vitality. Many people look at Western Europe today and praise it for its virtues of tolerance and secularism (though one could argue that tolerance has become so ironic as to fail to tolerate the intolerant). However, with the decline of Christian culture in Western Europe came a decline in the human family. Birth rates are plummeting such that the average European family has roughly 1.37 children (spanning Iceland to European Russia). Now, to answer this Islamic immigration has increased greatly and with Islam comes Shariah. Isn't it ironic that the most secular and tolerant region of the world is collapsing under its own idealogy only to be replaced with a mode of government that mandates stoning for adulterers and for those who convert from Islam to another faith? Between conservative Christianity (within liberal democracy) and Shariah, I'd rather live in conservative Christianity. Perhaps the fate of Europe is less certain than I predict. Perhaps not all European countries will enforce Shariah once Muslims are a majority. After all, not all Muslim countries have Shariah. However, fundamentalism is far more likely in a Muslim society than in a Christian society. History has shown that only those two entities can stand the test of time. I would personally live in 1950's era United States rather than modern day Saudi Arabia
Jesus taught divesting oneself of material wealth (take all that thou hast and give it to the poor) ConXians condemn those with whom they disagree as Communists (Pat Robertson in particular condemned femminism as a plot to lure women away from capitalism).
I believe something should be said here about monasticism. Christ never condemned private property nor did he suggest that communism ought to be mandated. Christianity practices many forms of voluntary communism, particularly in Eastern and Western forms of Monasticism prevalent in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Communism is only condemned when forced (i.e. when intolerant of private property). Additionally, it is easy to take the example of an extremist and make them the standard to judge a particular ideology. For example, it is easy to overlook the contributions to society Christians like Karol Wotyla (John Paul II), Ronald Reagan, Mother Teresa have made and listen to those who thrive on publicity such as Bill O'reilly. Likewise, it is easy to take the example of Robspierre to be the example of all liberals but that would be about as objective as considering the Inquisition to the be crowning achievement of 15th century Spain (which, according to our best sources which are shaky at best, lead to the death of 4000 people over a 350 year period)

many of jesus' teachings are similar to those of the buddah. i have noticed that a lot of hippies are buddhists, their not being christians is more todo with the doctrine that has grown around christian belief. as a zen christian i look beyond the dictats that have nothing to do with christs teachings. jesus said that it is only by refusing to believe that a man is condemned not simply by not believing.