NationStates Jolt Archive

Following from some other threads on Immigration and the constant media 'panic'/brain washing on the subject!!!

Here's a notion,

How old is the earth??? 3 Billion years old?? (unless your some sort of fundamentalist dude in which 12,000)....

Anyways when all those years ago earth was created, how many walls and fences were created with it??

Would that not suggest that we as people are free to roam where ever we want?? Like Kung Fu boy!!!

(Before you go off on one about walking into my house I retain the right to kill any f*cker that comes into my house, but then i have a moderate three bed semi, not a 20 acre golf course)

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nice to see you made the thread... cheers, saved me effort :D

adding to your thoughts, we are, at a basic level, just animals. surely we should be able to move as freely as they do, and surely we can have no legitimate claim to anything of the land (things we make are another matter)?

i'm not necissarily backing the idea, but am more of a devils advocate :)

nice to see you made the thread... cheers, saved me effort :D

adding to your thoughts, we are, at a basic level, just animals. surely we should be able to move as freely as they do, and surely we can have no legitimate claim to anything of the land (things we make are another matter)?

i'm not necissarily backing the idea, but am more of a devils advocate :)

Don't mention it, it's one I've been meaning to start for some time.

I don't think we have a legitimate claim to much if we take it right back....if you look at the god version of history then we are merely on God's land!! In that case caretaking rather than owning.

If you look at the scientific version of history then we are all at one with the earth and every part of ourselves is a part of earth through the atomic regeneration cycle.....i.e. we are chemicals made up of atoms that constantly change and move etc...etc...

However I prefer to look at it more moderately, we should be allowed to have a home (of reasonable proportions) but beyond that fences and walls are wrong if I want to go live in spain/turkey/mexico/california/timbuktoo then on who's legitimate jurisdiction is it that I cant??

nice to see you made the thread... cheers, saved me effort :D

adding to your thoughts, we are, at a basic level, just animals. surely we should be able to move as freely as they do, and surely we can have no legitimate claim to anything of the land (things we make are another matter)?

i'm not necissarily backing the idea, but am more of a devils advocate :)

A let me say that I'm pro immigration where anyone wants to go.
Like the South Park people demonstrated, if you don't want people running away from shitty countries and coming to yours, help make other countries better.

That said, animals don't move about all that freely. Animals are in a constant battle with one another for territory. Prides of lions will not tolerate eachother approaching their hunting grounds. Even many species of herbivores drive out other herds.

For about 20,000 years of human pre-history we did pretty much the same thing, until there wasn't any place left to where the winners could drive off the loosers. If you truly believe that force of arms is what truly makes land the possession of one "pride" of humans or another then it makes sense to drive off competitors and force them into desolation and starvation if that's all that they can find.

But we're not animals. We can learn from the NYC subway riders. Just because you're loud, mean, angry, rude, pushy, and arrogant doesn't mean you can't make room for someone else. :)

Anyways when all those years ago earth was created, how many walls and fences were created with it??

*looks at a mountain range. Looks at an ocean. Fluffles himself

*looks at a mountain range. Looks at an ocean. Fluffles himself

people live on mountain ranges, heck people even live on th ocean.....so whilst I get your point I don't feel these are fences and walls.

people live on mountain ranges, heck people even live on th ocean.....so whilst I get your point I don't feel these are fences and walls.
People jump fences, people tunnel under walls.

People jump fences, people tunnel under walls.

Your missing the point....(or takin the piss)

Humans have culture and an identity, society. Our immigration policies are remeniscent of ancient fears of culture clashes. It is natural for animals to own a territory. If you walked in on a lon's patch, it would chase you off.

Humans have culture and an identity, society. Our immigration policies are remeniscent of ancient fears of culture clashes. It is natural for animals to own a territory. If you walked in on a lon's patch, it would chase you off.

You forgot reason!!