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If you were a secret service agent would you leap in the way of a sniper's bullet to save the prez? How about if you were just a regular dude? I have a feeling if I were a secret service agent I would somehow end up being just a second too late...


Do they screen out agents assigned to protect the president based on party affiliation or political ideology? The agents assigned to protect Kennedy reacted disasterously slow. Did anyone question them to find out if they were Republicans? I wouldn't trust a secret service agent with political veiws differing greatly from my own. Would you?

would i take one for him?

not a chance

If I were a Secret Service Agent, yes. It would be my job.

If I were just a regular guy, like I am now, no. I have no particular affinity for the man, and I would only risk my life for my family and close friends.

take a bullet for Bush, what a joke :D
He deserves that bullet :sniper:
I would only take a bullet for the crownprins of Beligum.

I'd not only take a bullet, I'd take several. And a rifle. In fact, if he comes back to the UK I'd take a tank and drive all the way down to London for him....

As a secret service agent or regular guy, I would be just as likely to do it for him as I would any other human being that was defenseless to stop an unwarrented attack and in my presence.

I would never take a bullet for anybody except my family. As far as I'm concerned, my life comes first. Call me selfish, but I'm sure that most people here would rather live than die for an unafilliated person. Taking bullets is a thing of movies, and I'm sure very few people actually attept to do it.

Take a bullet for him? No no no... I'd take a bullet TO him. From me. Well, more accurately, from my gun.

I would never take a bullet for anybody except my family. As far as I'm concerned, my life comes first. Call me selfish, but I'm sure that most people here would rather live than die for an unafilliated person. Taking bullets is a thing of movies, and I'm sure very few people actually attept to do it.

Well, we have to look at this from a philosophical point of view. That tells us that the only person you can definitively prove exists is yourself, (or rather me. I don't believe in any of you, strange demon-things), and so to sacrifice your life for anyone else would be undeniably stupid. So no, you aren't selfish. Or maybe the philosophical view is unbelievably so. Hard to say.

Take a bullet for him? No no no... I'd take a bullet TO him. From me. Well, more accurately, from my gun.
Damn, I hope no real secret service agents check out this forum or a lot of people here are heading to Guantanamo.

If you were a secret service agent would you leap in the way of a sniper's bullet to save the prez? How about if you were just a regular dude? I have a feeling if I were a secret service agent I would somehow end up being just a second too late...

Do they screen out agents assigned to protect the president based on party affiliation or political ideology? The agents assigned to protect Kennedy reacted disasterously slow. Did anyone question them to find out if they were Republicans? I wouldn't trust a secret service agent with political veiws differing greatly from my own. Would you?

Interestingly, during Clinton's tenure, a man with an SKS rifle shot up the front of the White House. The Secret Service reacted by huddling in the building until the shooting was over.

Meanwhile, out on the street, two tourists and a homeless man waited until the shooter emptied his first 10 rounds, and then jumped him. No Secret Service personnel were involved until the man had been subdued for 15 minutes.

I have heard rumors that the Secret Service, while extremely professional, may not always take the riskiest steps for certain Presidents.

On the other hand, the Secret Service pride themselves on the "take a bullet" thing, and the recruits go in knowing that's what they want to do.

If I was Clinton, I wouldn't have trusted them, since they were also one of the initial source of rumors about his infidelity in the White House, and the source of many rumors about Hilary and Bill fighting, not sleeping together, etc. If you can't trust them to keep their mouths shut, then you can't trust them for much else.

That being said, it's also not a secret that Bush sleeps with his own loaded Glock on the bedside table, and carries it on his person - everywhere. Of course, he scored big points with his own Secret Service guards by physically standing up for them recently overseas.

I would not risk my own life for him but I do not wish him harm

WUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AWWwwww .....that was good.

Well, we have to look at this from a philosophical point of view. That tells us that the only person you can definitively prove exists is yourself, (or rather me. I don't believe in any of you, strange demon-things), and so to sacrifice your life for anyone else would be undeniably stupid. So no, you aren't selfish. Or maybe the philosophical view is unbelievably so. Hard to say.

So If I can't prove that my parents exist, then am I just an apparation :confused:

If I were SS, yes I would.

If I were just me, milling about in the vicinity of President Bush, yes I would.

Shocked?

Well, you shouldn't be. Bush, for all my seething anger at his policies, his lies, his rape of everything I hold dear in this country, is still a human being and, given the opportunity, I would do everything in my capacity to preserve the sanctity of any life.

Bush, Bin Laden, Ghandi. Strip away the politics and the posturing and you have human frailty, alienation, fear, and apprehension. It is to be protected and cherished, even if the actions are not.

I believe this sentiment was put best in the phrase, "Love the sinner, not the sin."

Put your bullet-ridden torso where your mouth is.

Question: would he take one for any of us?

Yes, I would. While I may not agree with all of his policies and decisions, he is my Commander-in-Chief and I would do everything in my power to defend him and take out whoever tried to shoot him. I would do this regardless who was President.

Who would I have to take the bullet to? What do they plan to do with it?

As a secret service agent or regular guy, I would be just as likely to do it for him as I would any other human being that was defenseless to stop an unwarrented attack and in my presence.

/agree

On a random mostly unrelated note, has anybody else seen the Howard Stern TVshow? I remember watching a few years ago and seeing an episode where Howard interviewed a guy who witnessed the Kennedy assassination and scooped a piece of the Presidents brain off the street and brought it home and put it in formaldehyde. It was sick! He brought the brain chunk to the show!

I'm about as liberal as they come, boardering on Socialism. . . however I'd take a bullet for Bush to assure that Democracy is allowed to continue in it's right and just course. Anyone who is derelict in duty, reguardless of thier political affiliations, shouldn't be a secret serviceman in the first place. I don't think that the secret service moved slowly, they reacted to follow thier first responcibility, that being to try and protect the first family. Had they not jumped to cover the first lady, Jacky Kennedy may very well have died along side her husband. Short of a Facist coming to power or a president undoing the American Democratic System to instal a dictorial regime, a president who is legaly voted into office by the population, wether I agree with him or not on his policy, is our president. Besides, an assassination of Bush would be counter productive to any agenda save the Republican and Neo-con agenda, as the nation's first respocne would be to rally around the fallen commander and chief. Much as if we were to kill Osama, Bush would become a Martyr, and those who agree with his policies would have a much easier time pushing thier agenda down our throats. On that note, were I a secret service man, I'd be watching the hands of Republicans, Conservatives, and NRA members much more closely than Democrats and Liberals*.

* - excluding of course the far left wing, who are about as frightening as the far right wing. Anarchists, militant communists, revolutionaries, etc all.

I'm more expendable than him. Sure.

And the idea of Cheney as President is kinda scary.

I'm more expendable than him. Sure.

And the idea of Cheney as President is kinda scary.

i have to agree with there are heck of alot scarier people that could be put in the white house in his cabinet then the fact that they'll be pissed because some assinated bush it can be aHELLUVa lot worse..

If I were a Secret Service Agent, yes. It would be my job.

If I were just a regular guy, like I am now, no. I have no particular affinity for the man, and I would only risk my life for my family and close friends.

I Agree strongly with this statement.

Take a bullet for him? No no no... I'd take a bullet TO him. From me. Well, more accurately, from my gun.

Careful, people have gotten locked up for saying more innocuous things in public forums.

If I give you a package bound for Gitmo will you smuggle it in in your ass? ;)

Bring on the guns! And the salt!

i have to agree with there are heck of alot scarier people that could be put in the white house in his cabinet then the fact that they'll be pissed because some assinated bush it can be aHELLUVa lot worse..

And rather pointless.
If it was done last term then no one would vote for Cheney and so we'd have a decent president now. No one would have voted for any of Bush's cronies except maybe Colon Powell, but even that spineless eunuch would have been a big improvement over the psychos in power now.

Bring on the guns! And the salt!

I don't care if you like him or not. I am also not happy with Bush. He's our president and although I would not take a bullet for him I have enough respect to not want to put salt in his wound if he does get shot. I think that is disrespectful. You should be ashamed that you would even say something like that.

Question: would he take one for any of us?

Of course he wouldn't take one for us. He's the freaken president he needs protecting. He wouldn't risk his life for a common citizen.

If I were a secret service agent, of course. I'd be sworn to the protection of the President. But I'm not, so, as a private citizen, I wouldn't. His fault for standing in such an open space...

Bush is a very dangerous individual. He is too closed minded to be running such a powerful country - Iraq is all the proof you need. Capturing Sadaam has only made things worse in terms of violence and disdain toward the US. Same with Osama - no one can honestly believe that capturing or killing him will put an end to anti-US feelings that the entire world - even Canada - has plenty of, most of it deserved. Sure the feelings were there before, but Bush has made a mockery of the United Nations and done everything in his power to destroy the USA's international reputation. And the idea of one nation controlling every nuclear weapon in the world is just scary. Long story short, I'd feel a lot better if he wasn't in power and I wouldn't take a bullet for him but I don't think he should be shot either.

Not only would I take a bullet out of duty to the President and concern for the welfare of another human being, factor in the possibility that a) you might survive and b) if you survived, you would probably be set for life as the US government looks very kindly on heroes. And c) if I died I know I would be going to heaven, not because of heroics but because my sins are forgiven.

P.S. Colin Powell is not a "spineless eunuch", he is a cultured diplomat. Trying to solve problems between nations is an inherently frought with problems and often fails. You should not attempt to lay whatever probles you perceive with US foreign policy at the feet of Colin Powell, and I dare you to do his job any better.

Would you take a bullet for Bush?

Most certainly not.

I would take a bullet for anyone (well, not ANYONE, but mostly anyone). Don't care if it's Bush.

He may not have made the best choices in the past, but that doesn't mean he deserves to die for his actions.

So, yes, I would.

No. I value my life over his. I wouldn't want to see him dead, just voted out of office, so I wouldn't put salt in his wounds, but I wouldn't dive to save him either. Factor in my notoriously slow reactions, and Bush is dead anyway.

I wouldn't take a bullet for anyone. If I could save someone without (high risk of) getting killed (or seriously permanently damaged) myself, there's a good chance that I would do it. But then, that would depend entirely on the situation. Anyway, I don't think I would risk my life for anything right now. So far my life has been pretty bad, so I'm going to make sure to have loads of fun before I die. Otherwise it would feel like I had gone through all that crap for nothing.

Take a bullet for him? No no no... I'd take a bullet TO him. From me. Well, more accurately, from my gun.

Carefull what you say, people like you, make people like me, report people like you to certain governmental sercurity agencies, who may, or may not, decide your a threat to national security, and perhaps procede to eliminate that threat

This is going to sound really self-centered and bitchy, but I honestly don't think I could take a bullet for anyone. (Particularly him, but lets not dwell on that). I am way too much of a 'fraidy cat, especially of guns. I think if it was someone I cared about, I would try and pull them out of the way or something, but I am so scared of death, I don't think I could ever force myself between a gun and another person. But that is just me.

If you were a secret service agent would you leap in the way of a sniper's bullet to save the prez? How about if you were just a regular dude? I have a feeling if I were a secret service agent I would somehow end up being just a second too late...

Yes, I would. But I would take a bullet for any President, except maybe Carter.

No offense, Jimmah Catah, it's just that I find you full of, um, malaise.

There are very, very precious few in the world I'd stop a bullet for; Bush is not one of them.

Of course I would. He is the honorable President of our great nation; I'm just some snot nosed fifteen year old punk, and an idiot to boot. My life is worth far less than the life of this nation's leader.

...depends if I get the chance to drop kick him after.

No way. There are damn few people I'd take a bullet for. And he's damn sure not one of them. Back when I was in junior high school one of my friends asked me the same question about Reagan. Same answer. But back then it was just because I hated Reagan. Now I value my life more. But I still hate the man in question.

...depends if I get the chance to drop kick him after.
might be a bit hard if you had just been shot in the chest...

Hmmm...President Bush or President Cheney. Same thing

I'm not american, so maybe it isn't the same but if there were bullets flying I would use Bush's carcass as a shield for me and my family.

I recently spoke to a former SS agent about this very question. They told me that even though an agent may not agree or care for the president that they are protecting, the sense of the job comes over you and drives you to do what you were trained. You aren't necessarily there to protect the person, but more to protect the position. In other words, you don't take a bullet for Nixon, Bush or Clinton, you take the bullet for the President of the United States, or any world leader for that matter.

Of course he wouldn't take one for us. He's the freaken president he needs protecting. He wouldn't risk his life for a common citizen.

Ergo he doesn't get me throwing myself in front of a bullet for him. So what makes the life of the President worth more than the life of the lowliest?

If I were a Secret Service Agent, yes. It would be my job.

If I were just a regular guy, like I am now, no. I have no particular affinity for the man, and I would only risk my life for my family and close friends.
I might kind of shove him out of the way, but jump in front of it? nah

I'm the sniper.

MWUAHAHAHA.

Sorry if someone already said that.

Ergo he doesn't get me throwing myself in front of a bullet for him. So what makes the life of the President worth more than the life of the lowliest?

Exactly. Ignore the lowly imbeciles and dogmatic fools.
They make great body guards and soldiers and kindling.

I'd take a bullet if it means taking a bullet from a box and shooting him...

I'd take a bullet if it means taking a bullet from a box and shooting him...

To you and everyone else who would like to shoot the Pres, I am very happy to be able to carry a gun and to be able to carry bigger guns while on duty. That way should anyone try this, and I happen to be there, I can shoot you, take you alive and watch you either be executed after a fair trial or watch you carted off to life in federal prison.

Nothing personal against any of you, just my firm belief.

Yar, no way me ship taking the cannon for a madman,
yar, me would board the white boat where George Bush lives and take his Scottish Terrier

The agents assigned to protect Kennedy reacted disasterously slow.
The rounds fired at Jack were travelling at 2500 feet per second. The first round struck before the agents heard the rifle's report.

That being said, it's also not a secret that Bush sleeps with his own loaded Glock on the bedside table, and carries it on his person - everywhere.
Really? Do you have a link for that?*


*I believe you, but I'd like to have something to show my friends.

The rounds fired at Jack were travelling at 2500 feet per second. The first round struck before the agents heard the rifle's report.
I know but wasn't he shot twice and wasn't it the second one the one that killed him? I thought there was quite a bit a time between the first bullet which wounded him and the one that blew his brains out.

I know but wasn't he shot twice and wasn't it the second one the one that killed him? I thought there was quite a bit a time between the first bullet which wounded him and the one that blew his brains out.
Yeah, a little over a second. He probably would have bled out in any case.

Question: would he take one for any of us?
As President, he couldn't (literally, his Secret Service detail would be pushing HIM to the ground), but fifteen years down the road, once he no longer has SS protection? Probably, yes.

As President, he couldn't (literally, his Secret Service detail would be pushing HIM to the ground), but fifteen years down the road, once he no longer has SS protection? Probably, yes.
You get SS protection for the rest of your life if you are president.

I would most definitely take a bullet for any president. I think Clinton was a failure as a human being, but i still would have taken a bullet for him. AS i would have if John Kerry had been elected. I would protect any of my nation's high ranking offiials (not a mayor most likely, but you get the point).

As President, he couldn't (literally, his Secret Service detail would be pushing HIM to the ground), but fifteen years down the road, once he no longer has SS protection? Probably, yes.

Do we have any evidence for such altruistic behaviour on his part?

You get SS protection for the rest of your life if you are president.
That WAS true, but the law was changed in 1997. From now on, retiring presidents receive SS protection for only ten years after leaving office. Clinton will be the last to receive lifetime protection.

If I were SS, yes I would.

If I were just me, milling about in the vicinity of President Bush, yes I would.

Shocked?

Well, you shouldn't be. Bush, for all my seething anger at his policies, his lies, his rape of everything I hold dear in this country, is still a human being and, given the opportunity, I would do everything in my capacity to preserve the sanctity of any life.

Bush, Bin Laden, Ghandi. Strip away the politics and the posturing and you have human frailty, alienation, fear, and apprehension. It is to be protected and cherished, even if the actions are not.

I believe this sentiment was put best in the phrase, "Love the sinner, not the sin."
youd take a bullet for Bin Laden?

Do we have any evidence for such altruistic behaviour on his part?
At the very least, I'm sure he would attempt to stop the assailant (if what was said about him carrying a Glock was true, which is may well be; then-Governor Bush passed in 1995 the Texas CCW law former Gov. Richards refused to).

That WAS true, but the law was changed in 1997. From now on, retiring presidents receive SS protection for only ten years after leaving office. Clinton will be the last to receive lifetime protection.
You get no protection at all? Do they at least give you one body guard? I guess after you are prez you make $100,000 a speach giving talks before oil cartels and business conglomerates so you can afford a private security force but that is wierd. Is it a budget cut thing?

...if what was said about him carrying a Glock was true, ...

If it is, then all I can say is that what kind of endorsement for American craftsmanship is it if the President carries an Austrian made weapon?

If it is, then all I can say is that what kind of endorsement for American craftsmanship is it if the President carries an Austrian made weapon?

Maybe he's more internationally aware than we thought. ;)

Hello to all my friends in domestic surveillance!

With that out of the way, yes. He's my commander in chief, and he's a human being. I'd do it for either reason, but both of these in one being constitutes an overwhelming reason to trade my life for his.

What matters more: one life or the lifes and well-being of an entire nation, possibly the world?

think about that

Bush is a sadistic jerk and its so completely illegal and WRONG that anyone should be punished for speaking bad of him but unfortunately that's how the US government works. I still dont wish death on him but I honestly hope the Democrats are elected in very shortly.

Damn, I hope no real secret service agents check out this forum or a lot of people here are heading to Guantanamo.

Oh please. :rolleyes: There is tons of anti-Bush material on the web and smoehow none of those people end up at Guantanamo.

Actually, if I didn't have to worry about CIA liquidations and "Guilty untill proven Innocent" courts I'd be the first to shoot at him. Maybe all those war games are good for something after all.

Would I take a bullet for Bush? No. Would I put a bullet in Bush? Yes.

What matters more: one life or the lifes and well-being of an entire nation, possibly the world?

think about that

Did the assassination of McKinley, for example, actually seriously adversely affect the well-being of America and the world?

When Bush came to London last year, the majority of the already overstretched police force of London were assigned to protect Bush.

During that time, with no police present, my Grandmother, survivor of the London Blitz, was violently mugged in the street.

No police were present to help, because a war mongering twat who happily hails bullets upon others was being protected by them.

I'm not sorry to say that I value my Grandmother's life and security over that twat.

That is all.

I think i'd be the one to GIVE him the bullet.

Of coures I wouldn't. I'd be the one shooting the bullet.


:cool: < Secret Service
:confused: :sniper:
:cool: < Secret Service

I would get out of the way so that the shooter has a better view.
I'm like that. Helpful. :D