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Okay, I hope this list is more to the liking of people here.
The 'Most Evil Person in History' thread didn't have many very good ones on the list but I made another and I hope people will like this more.

My nomination goes to 'Fearless Leader', the dictator of Pottsylvania from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. :)

King Leopold II

The only reason I'd put Dubya on there is because he's currently presiding over the place I reside.

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst. However, if Pol Pot had access to the resources and military power of Nazi Germany he would have been just as bad.

The only reason I'd put Dubya on there is because he's currently presiding over the place I reside.
We can not truly judge on Dubya yet and he does notseem that bad so far. We have had worst presidents, Okie.

I voted Stalin because he ruined Russia.

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst. However, if Pol Pot had access to the resources and military power of Nazi Germany he would have been just as bad.
How many did Stalin kill?

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst. However, if Pol Pot had access to the resources and military power of Nazi Germany he would have been just as bad.

Ummm...Stalin and Mao both whacked more than Hitler, if I am not mistaken. That said, what the fuckity-damn is Mao not doing on that list? He was way worse than some of the ones up there.

My nomination goes to 'Fearless Leader', the dictator of Pottsylvania from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. :)


Seconded.
Nothing beats Fearless Leader.

Affirmative. I voted Pol Pot. PP was worse than Stalin or Hitler. Alot of what you hear that Stalin did is western propaganda.

Ummm...Stalin and Mao both whacked more than Hitler, if I am not mistaken. That said, what the fuckity-damn is Mao not doing on that list? He was way worse than some of the ones up there.


Okay, Mao!
If you want to say Mao then pick the 'Other... Who and Why' option and tell us why.

I'm not sure one can change the poll ater one has published it.
If someone knows how to do that then please tell me and I'll get Mao on the list. Thank You.

Stalin
Hitler was elected and used article 48? to suppress rights.

The poll is asking who was/is the Worst dictator. I took that to mean incompetant as well as evil. Hitler and Stalin, as despicable as they were, were "sucessful" for a while. Pol Pot screwed up everything he touched. And yes, Stalin killed more than Hitler.

Not really. If Hitler wouldn't have invaded the millions that died in WWII would not have perished, and neither would alot of the people Stalin killed.

The poll is asking who was/is the Worst dictator. I took that to mean incompetant as well as evil. Hitler and Stalin, as despicable as they were, were "sucessful" for a while. Pol Pot screwed up everything he touched. And yes, Stalin killed more than Hitler.

World's 10 Worst Dictators / Leaders.
Dictators: Hitler, Stalin etc.
Leaders: Bush ...

Not really. If Hitler wouldn't have invaded the millions that died in WWII would not have perished, and neither would alot of the people Stalin killed.

Comrade, you're not going to attempt to defend Stalin are you?

No way. I am affirming that I believe Hitler actually killed more Stalin.

Well, if you go strictly by the term worst and not evil then I'd have to say Jimmy Carter. The fact that they named the most advanced nuclear attack submarine in the world after him just confuses the hell out of me. Maybe the plan is to confuse our enemiees as well.

Well, if you go strictly by the term worst and not evil then I'd have to say Jimmy Carter. The fact that they named the most advanced nuclear attack submarine in the world after him just confuses the hell out of me. Maybe the plan is to confuse our enemiees as well.

What?
The USS George Washington, USS Zachary Taylor or USS Abraham Lincoln would have made better names.
I would have chosen The USS George WASHINGTON or The USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
They sound so grand.

Ummm...Stalin and Mao both whacked more than Hitler, if I am not mistaken. That said, what the fuckity-damn is Mao not doing on that list? He was way worse than some of the ones up there.

I agree with you. It's now time, for Kryo to do math and provide links!!

Let's also do some math...

During Hitler's regime, in the years of 1938-1945, there were 6 million killed in the Holocaust (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/holocaust.htm). It was mainly Jewish, but also included gays, Gypsies (the Roma), political opponants and Soviets.

That is a fraction of the time Stalin was in power.

In one year during Stalin's regime, 32-33, 7 million (yes, you read it right) Ukranians died of starvation during Stalin's Forced Famine. (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm).

No way. I am affirming that I believe Hitler actually killed more Stalin.

I suggest you take a look at the above. I quoted only one of the major offensives of Stalin and it outweighs the Holocaust created by the Nazis...

Google this if you don't like my source. ^_^ I'm happy to debate.

They normally name aircraft carriers after former presidents. I guess they named a sub after Carter because he served on subs when he was in the navy.

They normally name aircraft carriers after former presidents. I guess they named a sub after Carter because he served on subs when he was in the navy.
Think about his career and philosiphy, and the think about the words nuclear fast attack sub and the word attack, in particular. It just doesn't make any friggin sense.

my vote counts and made a tie yey :D not excuse me while i go :headbang: and :sniper:
What a waste of a vote! :D Maybe leave an opinion with the vote?

Well, he went after the swamp rabbit with gusto.

No way. I am affirming that I believe Hitler actually killed more Stalin.
See above

Chechen Conspiracy force march to Siberia
Massacre of Rumanians after they switched sides to allies-Fair enough tho
Purge this purge that purge purge purge
Polish officers
Blah blah blah

Stalin is der Worst
Hitler was a bad Leader -ill go insane and make Panzer Brigades out of 2 Battalions and anti tank Brigades out of 2 battalions thinking they can do the job against Russian force.

Random
Have a look at the Berlin offensive the Russians had 1 Army against a German division-Not fair. :(

I've noticed that more people have voted for Pol Pot than the other listed dictators.

Perhaps maybe we need a short history lesson?

If you look up, I made a post that showed the number of deaths under the Nazi regime, which is 6 million, compared it to a single incident during Stalin's regime, which resulted in 7 million dead.

Now, in Cambodia during the reign of Pol Pot, 2 million were killed. (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm)

An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions.

:D :sniper: die damn it die stupid happy smily
Now that is just spam. If you're going to post here, please stay on topic.

well to get my vote i narrowed it down to 3 Hitler, Pole Pot and Stalin.

I removed hitler because for the simple fact that only targeted minorities in germany (now i am not excusing what he did I think it was appauling but i was trying to answer the question at hand). That leaves just Pole Pot and Stalin, I eventualy settiled on Pole Pot for the simple fact that he slaughtered anyone in his contry not a specific gruop nor simple just to hold on to power but for an ideal, he was no different to the taliban other than his ideals and for the fact that he inforced them more ruthlessly.

Skeletor.

Stalin was by far the worst leader ever. Although I am in no way defending Hitler or saying that he was right, at least he had, in his mind, some kind of reason for the Holocaust - his sheer hatred of them. Stalin's purges went something along the lines of:

"Hmmm, that person has an IQ over 100. Let's kill them."

Stalin was uber-paranoid, and he thought everyone was out to get him. He killed the majority of military figures, as well as scientists, teachers, the Kulaks (who were the equivalent of Jews for Hitler), etc, which didn't help during WW2.

I voted Hitler, but I have to agree with Helioterra, Leopold II was crazy. :S

Arguing who is the most worst dictator/mass murderer is like looking at three piles of dog shit, and debating over which stinks the most.

Therefore, let's just say that they are all piles of dog shit. Repugnant all the same.

Now that is just spam. If you're going to post here, please stay on topic.
Don't quote spam, please. Just report it or move on.

why no mao?

why no mao?

What is with people here and Mao.
This is not only a list of Dictators but also Leaders in the "normal" sence like Bush, Blair, Elisabeth II etc.

The question is who is the worst Leader or Dictator in your oppinion, like is Bush the worst or is it Blair? Is Hitler worse then Stalin etc.

Legless Pirates - Thanks for the vote, I guess. :rolleyes:

Think about his career and philosiphy, and the think about the words nuclear fast attack sub and the word attack, in particular. It just doesn't make any friggin sense.

maybe they thought it reflected his qualities?

sub-president?

Stalin
Hitler was elected and used article 48? to suppress rights.

Correct me if I am wrong...but I always thought that Hitler was never actually elected by the German people.
I think he was appointed Chancelor(sp?) by the President (Hindburg? or something like that). The nazi's had failed again to gain anywhere near a majority in the 1932(?) elections...in fact, they had lost many seats. But the corrupt and ineffectual Weimar gov't (under Hindburg) was crumbling and so they were trying to broker political deals. Hindburg appointed Hitler because he probably thought he could control him.
But Hitler was able to use the system to seize power. Eventually he banned all other parties and used physical threats (the brown shirts) to intimidate the public and literally beat up (and usually kill) political opponents.

But, I don't believe that Hitler was ever officially "elected" by the German people. Perhaps its just semantics, but I think its an important distinction.

I've noticed that more people have voted for Pol Pot than the other listed dictators.

Perhaps maybe we need a short history lesson?

If you look up, I made a post that showed the number of deaths under the Nazi regime, which is 6 million, compared it to a single incident during Stalin's regime, which resulted in 7 million dead.

Now, in Cambodia during the reign of Pol Pot, 2 million were killed. (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm)

You know, it is possible for people to base "worst" dictator on something other than sheer numbers killed. It is also possible for you to have a different opinion than someone else without trying to refute their opinion as wrong. This isn't a scientific study; it's a matter of opinion. You can't quantify what makes someone the "worst" dictator.

Hey what about Mugabe. Incompetent twat that he is..

Zimbabwe went from the bread basket of africa to the basket case of africa.

But, I don't believe that Hitler was ever officially "elected" by the German people. Perhaps its just semantics, but I think its an important distinction.

After Hitler became Chancellor, the first thing he did was call an election, which the Nazis won a majority in thanks to the formation of a coalition with a very small party.

worst dictator: Hitler (stalin is a close second)
Worst lead: G dub (george Dubya Bush)
Worst pupeteer: Dick Cheney (haha, he messes up bush's lines sometimes)

I demand to know why the great Robert Mugabe is on this list! He's the best thing to ever happen to Zimbabwe.

Hey what about Mugabe. Incompetent twat that he is..

Zimbabwe went from the bread basket of africa to the basket case of africa.
Incompetant? He gave his people land to grow maize. Land that was once used by white oppressors to grow tobacco for export so they could enrich themselves. Mugabe is a hero to the people of Zimbabwe.

dp

Incompetant? He gave his people land to grow maize. Land that was once used by white oppressors to grow tobacco for export so they could enrich themselves. Mugabe is a hero to the people of Zimbabwe.

i assume you joking. If not that is total and utter drivel

i assume you joking. If not that is total and utter drivel
Can't prove me wrong so you resort to insulting my post. Typical of you white imperialist anti-Mugabe people.

When Robert Mugabe came to power in 1980 the talk was of peace and co-operation after decades of white colonial rule and a bitter civil war.

Taking the helm of the newly renamed nation of Zimbabwe he was quickly elevated to the ranks of international statesman.

He has, however, always been regarded as something of a political enigma.

Raised and educated as a Roman-Catholic Mr Mugabe became a committed Marxist during the guerrilla war against the Rhodesian Front government of Ian Smith.

Taking power on a wave of popular support his early political promises of reconciliation and democracy were later overtaken by a strong authoritarian streak and a deep distrust of opposition.

Guerilla leader
Born in 1924, Robert Gabriel Mugabe was educated in missionary schools and received the first of his seven degrees from South Africa's Fort Hare University.

Returning to Rhodesia in 1960 he joined Joshua Nkomo's Zimbabwe African People's Union (Zapu) but left three years later to form the rival Zimbabwe African National Union (Zanu).

Jailed without trial for 10 years he left Rhodesia for neighbouring Mozambique in 1974 and led the largest of the guerrilla forces fighting a protracted and bloody war against the Smith government.

After months of negotiations the 1979 Lancaster House agreement set the seal on a Rhodesian peace deal and Mr Mugabe returned home to a rapturous welcome from black supporters.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/643737.stm

Incompetant? He gave his people land to grow maize. Land that was once used by white oppressors to grow tobacco for export so they could enrich themselves. Mugabe is a hero to the people of Zimbabwe.

Does that include the white people of Zimbabwe?

Does that include the white people of Zimbabwe?
Don't you mean the criminals who took his people's land?

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst. However, if Pol Pot had access to the resources and military power of Nazi Germany he would have been just as bad.

Stalin killed many more than Hitler. For starters, he deliberately caused a famine which wiped out 20 million; that's not including the purges.

Bush is currently beating Hitler...

Says it all...

Don't you mean the criminals who took his people's land?

Once again, does that include the white people's land?

Affirmative. I voted Pol Pot. PP was worse than Stalin or Hitler. Alot of what you hear that Stalin did is western propaganda.

HAHA! Sorry, that wasn't a laugh at you, it's just I've spent the last few months studying Stalin intensively, and your post made me remember this Australian Marxist historian who was like: "*wild eyes* Collectivisation never even happened... you have no proof... the millions of dead bodies were planted my Western propagandaists... CAPITALIST PIGS! RARRRGH! COMRADE STALIN FOREVER!!!!! *jumps out window*" He made me laugh :D

Once again, does that include the white people's land?
I'm not seriously defending him. Just trolling a little.

Stalin. Simply because Hitler killed millions of other nations' people. Stalin killed millions of his own people.

Joseph Stalin

Off the topic, but somewhat interesting anyway (as I have a chance to talk about Stalin and his court, and thus will do so for hours...), did you know that when Yagoda's residences were searched they found:
3904 porn photos, 11 porn movies, 9 foreign female coats, 4 squirrel coats, 3 sealskin cloaks, 1 wool cloak [all female], 31 pairs of female shoes, 91 female berets, 22 female hats, 130 pairs of foreign silk stockings, 10 female belts, 13 handbags, 11 female suits, 57 blouses, 69 nighties, 31 female jackets, 70 more pairs of silk tights, 4 silk shawls as well as 156 porno pipes and cigarette holders, plus a rubber dildo.
Historians say it shows he was a womaniser. My theory is that on the weekends he liked to walk around dressed as woman and saying in a falsetto voice, "I'M A LAYDEEEEEE! I LIKE LAYDEEEEE THINGS!" (Little Britain style...)

Stalin. Simply because Hitler killed millions of other nations' people. Stalin killed millions of his own people.

That's part of my reason for voting for Stalin. The man killed anybody he deemed a threat to the state and erased them from memory. Just before his death, he was going to deploy an operation to kill thousands of Jewish intellectuals which really draws comparisons with Hitler. Stalin used his people as fodder in wars and as slaves in labour. Truly a terrible man.

Can't prove me wrong so you resort to insulting my post. Typical of you white imperialist anti-Mugabe people.

http://www.union-network.org/uniflashes.nsf/0/a4c8e26ee472ed6dc1256f4a0051bae7?OpenDocument

http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/cs/article_3069_cs.htm

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/06/zimbabwe.html

http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/oct17a_2002.html

these links plus thousands more seem to support my position.

Also having several zimbabwean friends, I shall tend to beleive them more than someone who automatically assumes i am a white-imperialist

I'm not seriously defending him. Just trolling a little.

I didn't think you were - it'd be an amazing feat to do so and not be deleted or something.

I'm not seriously defending him. Just trolling a little.

sod!

thought you were serious!!

That's part of my reason for voting for Stalin. The man killed anybody he deemed a threat to the state and erased them from memory. Just before his death, he was going to deploy an operation to kill thousands of Jewish intellectuals which really draws comparisons with Hitler. Stalin used his people as fodder in wars and as slaves in labour. Truly a terrible man.

Yes, as well as the Jewish intellectuals he was also planning to release a wave of terror against doctors. His paranoia was so great that he wouldn't accept the prescriptions his doctors gave and always sent someone else out to get the same pills from a different place. Also, one of his acquaintances was training to be a doctor and he made him stop and study economics instead. Ironically, this guy because the only one he would let treat him in the later years.
The people being used as fodder in wars is true, and I think it's terrible, but the tsars did that was well. Russia was very poorly equipped, so they attempted to make up for it in number. In the first world war, 1 in 10 Russians had a gun, and most were barefoot. The progress of the opposing armies was more hindered by having to move the piles of bodies out the way to physically go forward than by the fighting.
The way he sat up at night going through lists of people, working out how many he wanted to kill, using a blue pencil to mark who would die and who'd be allowed to live for now, responding to the pleas of Gorky's family for his life with the cruel sneer "green steam!", and making the executioners act out and mock Kaminev and Xenoviev at their execution, with some anti-semitism thrown in... It's a historical tragedy.

these links plus thousands more seem to support my position.
any way I look at it....The BBC has more credibility than all of them.

Its sad how so many people are voting for Bush. They are obviouslyignorant, and are too wraped up about his policies to notice that he isn't murdering his people daily or discriminating different cultures and abilities, and certainly isn't a dictator. If people think that he is the worst we've had, then the world has already forgotten...

Holy Cow! Bush is like 3 votes from going head to head with Stalin and he has more votes then Hitler. How great is that? :)

I am really curious about the thought processes that some of you have used to put Bush above Hitler and Stalin on this list. :headbang:
Is that just your politics? Ignorance? Stupidity? Family tree?
Are you serious? If so, put the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the table. :rolleyes:
If you put Bush in the bad leader column and not in the dictator one, Carter has to be worse.

Affirmative. I voted Pol Pot. PP was worse than Stalin or Hitler. Alot of what you hear that Stalin did is western propaganda.
And opened KGB files...

To me, given the names on the list, i'd go

1. Pol Pot
2. Stalin
3. Hitler

All three showed no qualms with mass-murdering innocent people (with intent)

I am really curious about the thought processes that some of you have used to put Bush above Hitler and Stalin on this list. :headbang:
Is that just your politics? Ignorance? Stupidity? Family tree?
Are you serious? If so, put the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the table. :rolleyes:
If you put Bush in the bad leader column and not in the dictator one, Carter has to be worse.

No kidding. Obviously we've tried to kill all of those civilians in Iraq. lol

(it's like not knowing the difference between manslaughter and first-degree murder... and inthe process we've given them the ability to elect their own leaders. obviously that's indicative of an evil leader.)

Bush cannot be considered a dictator until 20 January, 2009 (if he doesn't step down).

or until marshall law is declared, either or...

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst.

nope, Stalin killed more, and so did Mao.

Well, if you go strictly by the term worst and not evil then I'd have to say Jimmy Carter. The fact that they named the most advanced nuclear attack submarine in the world after him just confuses the hell out of me. Maybe the plan is to confuse our enemiees as well.

Just goes to show that Good, honest men don't always make the best leaders. As a person, i would love to have Carter as a neighbor. Cuz if you were in trouble, you know he would help you out all he could.

Not really. If Hitler wouldn't have invaded the millions that died in WWII would not have perished, and neither would alot of the people Stalin killed.
Good Point!

In terms of people killed and general mayhem caused, Hitler was obviously the worst. However, if Pol Pot had access to the resources and military power of Nazi Germany he would have been just as bad.

Hitler was nothing compared to Stalin. Someone needs to brush up on their history. Stalin killed more Jews, killed more Political opponents, more "Rebels", he developed more nukes, bio, and chem weapons then even us, and then thanks to his legacy, they all just kinda disappeared into random people's possesions. By far, Stalin was worse. At least Hitler revived the german economy and set it on course to be what it is today.

Mao should be on that list.

Bush cannot be considered a dictator until 20 January, 2009 (if he doesn't step down).

Gee, thanks for the info. :p
Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me be more clear.
If the pole were split into worst dictators and worst leaders, Carter would have to go above Bush on the worst leader list. Stalin would be first on the dictator list.

Mao should be on that list.
Yeah, where is he? He outdoes everybody simply out of sheer numbers killed.

Stalin killed the most people but he did it over a huge amount of time and the USSR had far more people than Germany and Cambodia. I'm not defending him but I just feel that Pol Pot and Hitler are to evil to be rivalled.

Holy Cow! Bush is like 3 votes from going head to head with Stalin and he has more votes then Hitler. How great is that? :)

Could be a sign that people have a pretty distorted sense of reality.

I voted Hitler because he fits "worst" both ways. Not only are his mass murderings on par with Stalin Pol pot, Mao et al, but he also led his empire/regime the worst. He micromanaged his generals way too much and determined to do very nonsensical things at very nonsensical times (such as invade Russia while he still had a front across the Channel). He was the worst of the worst in that sense.

Gee, thanks for the info. :p
Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me be more clear.
If the pole were split into worst dictators and worst leaders, Carter would have to go above Bush on the worst leader list. Stalin would be first on the dictator list.

You're welcome.

That's nice, but that is not what the poll says... it looks like all-out comparison.

And put that tongue away. :)

Stalin killed the most people but he did it over a huge amount of time and the USSR had far more people than Germany and Cambodia. I'm not defending him but I just feel that Pol Pot and Hitler are to evil to be rivalled.

I think there's some merit in considering their motives too, as well as just the numbers killed (which can, as you pointed out, be misleading). For example, I believe Hitler was very evil, but he believed (perhaps) that he was killing for the defence of the German people, who had faced injustices due to the victims, and that the killings were necessary for the Aryans and pure-blooded ones to triumph in the racial struggle. Or at least, that's what Nazi propaganda and Mein Kampf say. I guess we can't say for sure if he believed it.
Stalin, on the other hand, I feel killed much more for his own personal gains - for example, Kirov beat Stalin for the post as General Secretary at the 17th Party Congress, so he was assassinated, and it is widely assumed that Stalin was responsible. After this, he sought out hundreds of others and had them murdered under the pretense that they were responsible for Kirov's death. Oh, and he killed most of the congres, even those who voted for Stalin - only 30 survived out of around 700, I believe, causing it to be dubbed "the congress of the damned). I think that these deaths, and many others during the purges, can only be put down to Stalin's paranoia and greed for unrivalled power. That's also why he had Yezhov and Yagoda killed too (though they were evil men and deserved it) - they got too powerful. Then you have the killings for vengance, like Trotsky's ice pick murder in Mexico.

Could be a sign that people have a pretty distorted sense of reality.

I voted Hitler because he fits "worst" both ways. Not only are his mass murderings on par with Stalin Pol pot, Mao et al, but he also led his empire/regime the worst. He micromanaged his generals way too much and determined to do very nonsensical things at very nonsensical times (such as invade Russia while he still had a front across the Channel). He was the worst of the worst in that sense.

I disagree. Stalin also had an empire, you know, and crushed any uprisings of the nationalities brutally. He even went so far as to kill those who had been in areas occupied by the Germans during the war, such as the Lithuanians, even those who had fought for Russia. Many of those who survived the German concentration camps and returned to Russia, their homeland, were then either send straight to gulags or murdered on the spot because they were "unclean".
Stalin murdered many of his generals; those that he didn't he terrorised, threatened and had the NKVD supervise. And can you really call the purges sensical? So no, although Hitler was evil, I don't think he was the worst of the worst. I also think that Hitler's notoriety is built up by the way that Nazi Germany is so emphasised in education, and most people stop studying history with only a key hole view, and know barely anything of the other dictators, and just assume that Hitler is the worst because they know most of him.

Hitler also reduced unemployment in Germany from about 6 million to zero, so that's got to be good for the economy.

Two votes for me. Hmm...This is not good. I have more votes then Gaddafi. :eek:

I'm going with Stalin because he had tons of people killed and made a great big mess of Russia. And put a stigmata on Communism and Socialism in the US.

And no votes for Gaddafi? I guess he really must be reforming. Good for him.

Hitler also reduced unemployment in Germany from about 6 million to zero, so that's got to be good for the economy.

He didn't do anything to help the German economy at all. The only reason that it improved from when he got power onwards was because the global economy was picking up after the depression. Unemployment went down but that wasn't really because of him.

But it went down whilst he was in power, so he's going to get credit.

There was also something else I didn't agree with a page or so ago, but I can't remember what it was, so I'm going to have to go back and find it. Meanwhile:

Don't vote for Hitler - Stalin was much , much worse. Take the lives of ten times as many people killed's word for it.

The people who voted for Bush don't offer an explanation as to why he's worse than Hitler or Stalin.

What a suprise :rolleyes:

Stalin gets my vote. Even conservative estimates put Stalin's killings around 7 million Ukrainians alone. Not to mention the perhaps tens of millions of multiconfessional people he had killed, or forced famine upon throughout his bloody reign. Political prisoners, muslims, christians, jews, and myriad of other people were all slaughtered alike. His numbers far surpass his contemporary Hitler's, and the later Khmer Rouge's.

Found it:

If Hitler wouldn't have invaded the millions that died in WWII would not have perished, and neither would alot of the people Stalin killed.

Hello? The Purges? Before WWII? Led to Russia having no top military figures, scientists at the start of the war? Ringing a bell here?

But it went down whilst he was in power, so he's going to get credit.

There was also something else I didn't agree with a page or so ago, but I can't remember what it was, so I'm going to have to go back and find it. Meanwhile:

Don't vote for Hitler - Stalin was much , much worse. Take the lives of ten times as many people killed's word for it.

Yes, unemployment did decrease, but it was largely due to the fact that they fixed the figures. Typical Nazi propaganda exercise.

Those autobahns didn't spring from nowhere, you know. I've seen the pictures - they're real.

Those autobahns didn't spring from nowhere, you know. I've seen the pictures - they're real.

Lol, I wasn't suggesting they weren't. Germany did make a pretty good recovery under Hitler. Just saying you have to take some of the statistics with a pinch of salt :)

Bush becuase hes americanish :sniper: <--- die americanistan die!!!

Lol, I wasn't suggesting they weren't. Germany did make a pretty good recovery under Hitler. Just saying you have to take some of the statistics with a pinch of salt :)
Yes the recovery was made under Hitler but not by Hitler.

Yes the recovery was made under Hitler but not by Hitler.

I didn't say it was.

I think the next person who votes for Hitler should give a thorough and detailed reason why - this crime against humanity needs to be sorted.

You say that Hitler was doing it for the sake of Germany but Stalin was doing it for the sake of Russia. He actually helped Russia a lot more than Hitler did to Germany.

I agree with you. It's now time, for Kryo to do math and provide links!!

Let's also do some math...

During Hitler's regime, in the years of 1938-1945, there were 6 million killed in the Holocaust (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/holocaust.htm). It was mainly Jewish, but also included gays, Gypsies (the Roma), political opponants and Soviets.

That is a fraction of the time Stalin was in power.

In one year during Stalin's regime, 32-33, 7 million (yes, you read it right) Ukranians died of starvation during Stalin's Forced Famine. (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm).



I suggest you take a look at the above. I quoted only one of the major offensives of Stalin and it outweighs the Holocaust created by the Nazis...

Google this if you don't like my source. ^_^ I'm happy to debate.
c'mon if your going to argue add em all up. if you wanna get technical hitlr didn't only kill 6 millian people. think of the millions of russians, americans, british, french, and the like that died in that war. Add em all up and ad ALL of stalins up, and then present your arguement. i'm not saying your wrong but lets put things in the correct perspective please...

What?
The USS George Washington, USS Zachary Taylor or USS Abraham Lincoln would have made better names.
I would have chosen The USS George WASHINGTON or The USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
They sound so grand.
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) and USS George Washington (CVN-73) are already used, genius...

Maybe I haven't read the whole thing... but it seems as if Kim Jong Il isn't getting much respect.

The average Joe cn't get much more than a cracker per day because of the massive food shortages.

You think bush spends a lot on military... Kim spends so much that his country can't afford to buy (since his government runs his economy) food for the people.

Isn't a communist government supposed to provide everything? Aren't the people in a communist state supposed to AT LEAST have food?

You say that Hitler was doing it for the sake of Germany but Stalin was doing it for the sake of Russia. He actually helped Russia a lot more than Hitler did to Germany.

I said Hitler may arguably have been said to have done it for the sake of Germany, but I think he also undoubtedly had selfish aims.. Stalin did a great deal to modernise Russia and set up the block, but under Stalin there were huge famines where millions of people died in a way unprecedented under the Tsars, unleashed waves of terror upon the people with the motto "It is better to kill 50 innocents than to let one spy escape detection". He killed the war heroes, killed any potential opposition and killed millions of innocent people just to keep the public in fear of him. I don't think that, on balance, he can be said to have "helped" Russia. His motives were much more selfish, and he perverted Marxist theory greatly, as well as murdering all of the surviving old Bolsheviks.

If so, then most leaders in human history would be "bad" because almost every one of them killed some people.

Instead of relying on statistics, I believe we should weigh their values, judgments, and their reasons for making them. Personally, I believe that Hitler or Stalin should not be considered "bad" for the simple reason that they killed a lot of people--at least they were fighting for their ideals, however inappropriate those are.

If a leader doesn't have any ideals, that definitely makes him/her "bad".

suggestions for future US ships/subs:

USS Hulk Hogan

USS Big Mac

USS Britney Spears

USS Fried Chicken

USS Coke

hehe

Isn't a communist government supposed to provide everything? Aren't the people in a communist state supposed to AT LEAST have food?

Supposed to, yes. In reality under Stalin people starved. In a comparitively good time the lucky citizen received 20g of food a day under rationing. Under famine, well, large quantities of people had nothing. When Stalin went on the Trans-Siberian railway past settlements of starving peasants, he shut the curtains on them and shot one of his officials who believed that Stalin was unaware of the situation, and that telling him of it would make him solve it.
But Stalinist Russia cannot really be said to be "communist", it was "Stalinist"; just two of the differences were that he aimed for "socialisim in one country" instead of world revolution, and he imposed wage differences, favouring the Nomulklatura (don't think that's spelt right, though).

c'mon if your going to argue add em all up. if you wanna get technical hitlr didn't only kill 6 millian people. think of the millions of russians, americans, british, french, and the like that died in that war. Add em all up and ad ALL of stalins up, and then present your arguement. i'm not saying your wrong but lets put things in the correct perspective please...

6 Million Jews 4 Million Others (other non-christians)
500,000 British/Colonials
500,000 American
25 Million Nazi Soldiers
48 Million Russian Soldiers

Hilter Wins...

However, I still voted for Bush, cause its not the numbers, its the way he's insidiously convincing the freeest country on earth (or used to be the freest country) into the most indoctrinated, corporate controlled populace on earth, who STILL think they have and rights left. More people OUTSIDE know what goes on INSIDE America because they never tell their people what they are doing. Of course, if you told the German people at the start they would be killing off everyone "who didn't look like us" they probably wouldn't have went for it. But he blew up the twin towers.. I mean, burned down the Riechstag and introudced the Patriot Act.. Oh.. I mean Article 38 and effectively turned the country into a totalitarian state.

All the while other countries don't want to admit that he's already unilaterally taken over one country, and working on a few more. Winston Churchhill would be rolling in his grave if he new he was compared to the "new Hilter". He fought for 2 years to get the British people to wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to what is truly wrong an criminal. And he convinced the world...

I only can hope we get through to the American people and break down the wall of denial they have before its too late. Well, once he goes after a country the rest of the world actually likes, it will be world war three anyways, and we will be glad we didn't give the US ALL the nukes...

suggestions for future US ships/subs:

USS Hulk Hogan

USS Big Mac

USS Britney Spears

USS Fried Chicken

USS Coke

hehe

How true.. I mean, the military USED to fight for the people, and their freedom... Now it fights for Corporations, and their money. Shouldn't they just vote, instead of all the people? That would streamline things.... "Looks like 280 of the 500 Fortune 500 Companies voted for you George, you win again!"

"As my first act as newly elected President of the United Corporations, I would like to wage a war against the following countries by the end of the year:

North Korea, cause they won't buy our stuff
Iran, cause they won't buy our stuff
Nepal, cause they won't buy tobacco, an out tobacco people don't like that.
China, cause they are big and nukes will be very effective...

Thats all for this year.. Next I will give a rousing speach to the people of Iraq... Go home and die."

*cheers and appaulse ensues from the masses who were told when to cheer and how to cheer, cause TV taught them*

Blair is Bush's lap dog.

Bush cannot be considered a dictator until 20 January, 2009 (if he doesn't step down).

You ment the 21st

If so, then most leaders in human history would be "bad" because almost every one of them killed some people.

Instead of relying on statistics, I believe we should weigh their values, judgements, and their reasons for making them. Personally, I believe that Hitler or Stalin should not be considered "bad" for the simple reason that they killed a lot of people--at least they were fighting for their ideals, however inappropriate those are.

If a leader doesn't have any ideals, that definitely makes him/her "bad".

Are you totally insane? A leader with Ideals who "kills someone" but does it for his Ideals is the most retarted thing I have ever heard. You're talking Biblical stupidity in action... If someone says "God came down and said to me, kill everyone over there" "Yessir master!" should NOT be the answer... These people are put away for good reason, cause they commit mass murder and crimes against humanity. I mean, those are the exact same words that War Criminals use.

Hilter "I am convince I am acting as an agent of our creator, I am doing the lords work"
Grobbles "I am only an instrument which the Old God sings his song."
GW Bush "God told me to Stike at Al-Qaida and I struck them. He instructed me strike at Saddam, which I did, and now determined to solve the problem in the middle east."
Republican Party "The Republican Party re-affirms the United States as a Christian Nation"
William Request" The wall of seperation between to the Church and the state is a metaphor that should be explicitly abandoned."


You know who I think is a a man of ideals? The Right Honourable Pierre Elliot Trudeau who once said: "You can disagree with someone without degrinating them as a person." Or Perhaps Thomas Edison: "The goal of Evolution must be non-violence. For until we can come to a point where we bring no harm to any other living thing, we are still savages."

To be Christian or any of the other established religions generally means they will kill others who are not like them. Its sick, its stupid, and probably the biggest thing holding back the progress of mankind. I'm just happy that we managed to avoid throwing salt over our shoulder...

wow some people actually took the poll seriously and realized the hitler ordered the murder of 7 MILLION people who just so happened to be different from him! stalin wasnt any better killing around 2 MILLION of his own countrymen.

so the real question:

WHY IS PRES. BUSH THE MOST EVIL THING THAT HAS EVER TOUCHED THE EARTH?

oh wait, thats right! he won an election!

wow some people actually took the poll seriously and realized the hitler ordered the murder of 7 MILLION people who just so happened to be different from him! stalin wasnt any better killing around 2 MILLION of his own countrymen.

so the real question:

WHY IS PRES. BUSH THE MOST EVIL THING THAT HAS EVER TOUCHED THE EARTH?

oh wait, thats right! he won an election!

Stalin killed way more than 2 million of his own people. It was closer to 40 million. Maybe more.
And in answer to what someone said, I don't think anything that those dictators did was Biblically justifiable. They may have thought they were doing God's work, but they were mad... I don't think you can say it was driven by Christianity. I might be wrong though. Don't flame and don't make this another crappy religious debate thread because I HATE THEM!!! (A selfish reason, but good enough for me, lol).
Anyway, I am tuired and have taken out my contact lenses, so also blind, so I am breaking the NS tradition and getting some sleep. I expect everyone will have lost interest in this thread by tomorrow, haha. Night :)

25 Million Nazi Soldiers


25 million Nazi soldiers didn't die in WWII. Germany's population right before the war started was roughly 80 million. Of course, that is after they annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia.

After WWII Germany's population was roughly 64 million, again, you have to remember the fact that Austria and Czechoslovakia regained their independence after the war and Germany was forced to cede Poland substantial amounts of land.

In total, about 15 million men served in the Wehrmacht, Kriegsmarine, and Luftwaffe throughout the course of the war. 25 million German casualties is a horrendously inflated number. I don't have exact numbers for casualties here, but I'd estimate soldier casualties about 3 to 4 million, plus about another 5 million civilian dead.

6 Million Jews 4 Million Others (other non-christians)
500,000 British/Colonials
500,000 American
25 Million Nazi Soldiers
48 Million Russian Soldiers

Hilter Wins...

However, I still voted for Bush, cause its not the numbers, its the way he's insidiously convincing the freeest country on earth (or used to be the freest country) into the most indoctrinated, corporate controlled populace on earth, who STILL think they have and rights left. More people OUTSIDE know what goes on INSIDE America because they never tell their people what they are doing. Of course, if you told the German people at the start they would be killing off everyone "who didn't look like us" they probably wouldn't have went for it. But he blew up the twin towers.. I mean, burned down the Riechstag and introudced the Patriot Act.. Oh.. I mean Article 38 and effectively turned the country into a totalitarian state.

All the while other countries don't want to admit that he's already unilaterally taken over one country, and working on a few more. Winston Churchhill would be rolling in his grave if he new he was compared to the "new Hilter". He fought for 2 years to get the British people to wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to what is truly wrong an criminal. And he convinced the world...

I only can hope we get through to the American people and break down the wall of denial they have before its too late. Well, once he goes after a country the rest of the world actually likes, it will be world war three anyways, and we will be glad we didn't give the US ALL the nukes...

25million German soldiers dead? 48 million Soviets? What have you been smoking? I am not sure of exact numbers but as far as I know neither country had that many men in their entire armed forces.
After listing numbers like that you then actually compare Bush? huh? about 2000 dead coalition troops, maybe 20,000 or 25,000 dead enemy (I actually don't know those number so that is a high end guess).
And then with the WWIII thing again. What the hell is the hang up with WWIII and people?
We in the US have strange ways of "unilaterally" taking over countries. With 25 nations helping us and with the introduction of free elections. Christ Bush is a complete maniac with his free elections and dictator deposing ways. What we really need to do is apologize and put Saddamn and the Taliban back in power so their nations people can enjoy the easy life under their rule. It is amazing how the left has embraced dictators and fascists these days simply because of theiur blind hatred for one US president. They are killing any credibility they once had.

Where's Mao? he killed God knows how many millions of his people. His "reform" policies set China back a few decades. If there's anyone deserving of a spot in that poll, it's Mao Tse Tsung.

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) and USS George Washington (CVN-73) are already used, genius...

Thats funny because it's so naive. :rolleyes:
How should I know the names of American ships?
Just name the ship USS George Washington II or USS Abraham Lincoln II, ever heard of Queen Mary II?

Stalin, since he has the highest frag count.

Stalin, since he has the highest frag count.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Mao beat Stalin on that.

How many did Stalin kill?

Anywhere between 10 and 50 million. I think the middle of the range is most likely, ~30-35 million.

By that measure alone, the ranking is Mao as worst, followed by Stalin, followed by Hitler. But there is enough uncertainty about the estimates that the order could even be reversed. Those would be followed by Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il, and everyone else on the list is basically peanuts.

The ignorance of the people shines through when George Bush has more votes than pol pot and Kim Jhong Il combined.

I put Bush because he is the worse leader of our time. As in my life. I would not have picked him over-all. But he is the most dangerous man alive in power at this moment.

They are all equally bad in my book, but I picked Stalin.

I think Hitler will always be remembered as the worst of all time. Besides, when you go by how many people they killed, you have to figure how long they were in power too.

I picked Bush. He may not be the worst overall, but I chose to interpret it as who has been the worst to you personally, and that's gotta be him.

Anyone who voted George W. Bush for 'worst dictator' is an utter idiot. Where the hell is Mao Tse Tung?

The glorious Kaiser Me, the Kaiser of Jibea is considered by over a hundred to be the worst thing to befell this earth. Most of them wrongfully accuse him of being a Nation Socialist of German Working Men (or something similar) or call him a communist (:mad:) He made his own form of government if you would like to know more tg him (not a lot in common with what he was allegedly accused of).

Kaiser Me:
Oppresses the weak
Oppresses the capitalist
Oppresses the strong
Oppresses the young
Oppresses the old
Oppresses the smart
Oppresses the dumb
Suppresses the above
Enslaves the loosers of wars
Salts the loosers land
Goes on total war

Kaiser Me thinks that the following are not the evilist dictators
1. Hitler: Genocided "Subhumans" for not being accepted to an art college. What a cry baby. Fatal mistake was betraying Stalin and aggressive to "Subhumans." Was once voted man of the year. Could have been easily stopped by Great Britain (who formulated the blitzkrieg and invited the German War Councilor? over to see it.) when he invaded the Czechs.
He made too many mistakes and could have been prevented easily.
2. Stalin: Leninist. Vladimiar Lenin (who I call John Lenin(notice the i instead of o) said to the other Leninist (near his death) to NEVER LET STALIN IN CONTROL. Russains brought his wrath on themselves. Paranoid, killed anyone who did not look at his eyes. Had many suicide instead of killed.
He was just a paranoid man high up due to a mistake. Any other paranoid person (Robespierre) would do the same.
3. Mussolini: Not to much heard about. Got trains running on time (finally) but joined the axis powers by forceful persuasian. Invaded countries no one really cared about (African, Middle Eastern).
4. Fidel: Old person smoking Cubans. Over took Cuba with a hundred men against the American and Cuban army.
Just old and made when people(America) do not say they wish he feels better when he fell down the stairs
5. Ghengis Kahn: Conquered all of Asia (including Russia) and developed psychological warfare. Did it mostly out of revenge (he finally caught the guy who was a prince? Poored down liguid silver in his mouth, ears and eyes (painful but I heard a story that the guy lived and another he died)). Richest guy in history with largest land ever acquired.
Really great tactician that was vengeful and rich. No one knows where his tomb is (supposedly full of the greatest treasure(would make Bill Gates look poor)(No one knows because an army buried him, was killed by a second army, was killed by a third army who suicided(those Mongolians)) Said that 33%, 25%, 75% (forgot which) people in the world are his decendants.

The second paragraph is a summary type thing. Do not and I repeat for emphasis, do not quote me. If you do, I could legally sue you and/or have you arrested in/around America/Country you are from.

Anyone who voted George W. Bush.... is an utter idiot.
______________________
"He who stands against Israel stands against God." *edited his post*
I agree...58 million utter idiots.

Supposed to, yes. In reality under Stalin people starved. In a comparitively good time the lucky citizen received 20g of food a day under rationing. Under famine, well, large quantities of people had nothing. When Stalin went on the Trans-Siberian railway past settlements of starving peasants, he shut the curtains on them and shot one of his officials who believed that Stalin was unaware of the situation, and that telling him of it would make him solve it.
But Stalinist Russia cannot really be said to be "communist", it was "Stalinist"; just two of the differences were that he aimed for "socialisim in one country" instead of world revolution, and he imposed wage differences, favouring the Nomulklatura (don't think that's spelt right, though).

Forgetting the three similarities have differences:
Socialism: Not as aggressive as communism
Communism: Everyone is equal and Utopian society
Stalinism: Not Stalin you die equally

suggestions for future US ships/subs:

USS Hulk Hogan

hehe

In Stamford, CT, the Wedge Inn used to make subs for Hulk Hogan!
(The World Wrestling Federation was up the road). My friend Lana knew all the wrestlers in the late 80s and early 90s... they came in for sandwiches all the time!

I voted Bush.

Just for the hell of it.

Considering the fact that I love Stalin.

In no particular order: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, King Leopold II, Efrain Rios Montt, Suharto, Castro, Daniel Ortega.

Supposed to, yes. In reality under Stalin people starved. In a comparitively good time the lucky citizen received 20g of food a day under rationing. Under famine, well, large quantities of people had nothing. When Stalin went on the Trans-Siberian railway past settlements of starving peasants, he shut the curtains on them and shot one of his officials who believed that Stalin was unaware of the situation, and that telling him of it would make him solve it.
But Stalinist Russia cannot really be said to be "communist", it was "Stalinist"; just two of the differences were that he aimed for "socialisim in one country" instead of world revolution, and he imposed wage differences, favouring the Nomulklatura (don't think that's spelt right, though).

Wow, outright bullshit. Under Stalin people starved? Sure, my family starved ALL the time.

How stupid is that? Very. We did not live fabulously, but to say we got 20g a day is hilarious. And Stalin shot one of his officials just because he was the messenger?

Why do you Americans think he is a mindless lunatic?

I put Bush because he is the worse leader of our time. As in my life. I would not have picked him over-all. But he is the most dangerous man alive in power at this moment.

Sorry Steph, but unless you're much older than I think you are, there is a LOT more time to find a worse one. :(

Actually, the most dangerous man alive in power is almost certainly Kim Jong Il. Say what you will about Bush, but he's not reclusive and crazy -- and he certainly isn't starving people to death.

I put Bush because he is the worse leader of our time. As in my life. I would not have picked him over-all. But he is the most dangerous man alive in power at this moment.

In your life? What about Efrain Rios Montt, General Suharto, Robert Mugabe, Saddam Hussein, Daniel Ortega, Fidel Castro, Mobutu Sese Seko, Deng Xiaoping, Vladimir Putin, Islam Karimov, Kim Jong-il, that crazy bastard who rules Turkmenistan, Muammar Quaddafi, and at least a dozen other people I'm forgetting?

6 Million Jews 4 Million Others (other non-christians)
500,000 British/Colonials
500,000 American
25 Million Nazi Soldiers
48 Million Russian Soldiers

Hilter Wins...

However, I still voted for Bush, cause its not the numbers, its the way he's insidiously convincing the freeest country on earth (or used to be the freest country) into the most indoctrinated, corporate controlled populace on earth, who STILL think they have and rights left. More people OUTSIDE know what goes on INSIDE America because they never tell their people what they are doing. Of course, if you told the German people at the start they would be killing off everyone "who didn't look like us" they probably wouldn't have went for it. But he blew up the twin towers.. I mean, burned down the Riechstag and introudced the Patriot Act.. Oh.. I mean Article 38 and effectively turned the country into a totalitarian state.

All the while other countries don't want to admit that he's already unilaterally taken over one country, and working on a few more. Winston Churchhill would be rolling in his grave if he new he was compared to the "new Hilter". He fought for 2 years to get the British people to wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to what is truly wrong an criminal. And he convinced the world...

I only can hope we get through to the American people and break down the wall of denial they have before its too late. Well, once he goes after a country the rest of the world actually likes, it will be world war three anyways, and we will be glad we didn't give the US ALL the nukes...

You forgot the Germans, Ottomans and Italians killed by Stalin plus the almost nuclear war he cause divide by Log(Base.000000000000000000000003)(e)(irrational natural log) (i(radical -1))(pi)(Radical 5 (most useful irrational number))

Any way I am an American who seems to be more on the in then the Europeans. I dont believe in all that American propaganda I mean they hate Catholics (I am Irish of course I am Catholic) like gays and have abortion legal(up till a point but still bad) and they sue for almost no reason at all, I'll give the stupidest case I know in a link. They also blame suicidal behavior on antidepressants, the children are using it under aged and there is no proof for all we know it could be the depression(i think its not a real disease).

Bush knew about the terrorist, Bush the elder shouldnt have given the weapons/money to Ossama for his Jihad.

Germany is the only good country in the UN, they are really good militarily (it took about 3 countries to take them down), technologically and economically (not given a permanent position those UNians are dumbasses) and they are the most active(besides US) and are actually willing to help the US :eek:.

here is the site at cnn:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/21/homework.suit.ap/index.html
i having trouble looking for the second so give me some credit
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/04/costly.cookies.ap/index.html
there it is
Not spamming
Non offensive, unless you're an American that finds everything offensive

Butterflies cause tornadoes

In your life? What about Efrain Rios Montt, General Suharto, Robert Mugabe, Saddam Hussein, Daniel Ortega, Fidel Castro, Mobutu Sese Seko, Deng Xiaoping, Vladimir Putin, Islam Karimov, and at least a dozen other people I'm forgetting?
The Ayatollahs Khomeni and Khatami, Idi Amin, Josip Tito, Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier, Nicolae Ceauşescu, Jean-Bédel Bokassa and Mullah Mohammed Omar come to mind as well.

25 Million Nazi Soldiers
48 Million Russian Soldiers
Hitler was bad, but he wasn't that bad. Get some real numbers, buddy.

You may quote me.

The Ayatollahs Khomeni and Khatami, Idi Amin, Josip Tito, Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier, Nicolae Ceauşescu, Jean-Bédel Bokassa and Mullah Mohammed Omar come to mind as well.

Add Slobo and that about sums it up :]

The Ayatollahs Khomeni and Khatami, Idi Amin, Josip Tito, Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier, Nicolae Ceauşescu, Jean-Bédel Bokassa and Mullah Mohammed Omar come to mind as well.

:confused:

:confused:

Central African Emperor, and the Taliban..

Lets sing a song. If you dont sing then the imaginary man would be angry.

In haiku format example (do not use)

la la la la la
la la la la la la la
la la la la la

see simple

Central African Emperor, and the Taliban..
We have a smarty pants in the room. :)

We have a smarty pants in the room. :)
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Hitler killed this, Mao killed that, Stalin bla bla bla... That is just quantity, but a guy like Emperor Bokassa, that is quality. After murdering hundreds of rioting schoolkids, he saved a few dozen of the more tender ones and ate them. Can you possibly get worse than that?
But: they're all dead - GWB is not. ;)

Hitler killed this, Mao killed that, Stalin bla bla bla... That is just quantity, but a guy like Emperor Bokassa, that is quality. After murdering hundreds of rioting schoolkids, he saved a few dozen of the more tender ones and ate them. Can you possibly get worse than that?
But: they're all dead - GWB is not. ;)

Yeesh. :eek:

Wow, outright bullshit. Under Stalin people starved? Sure, my family starved ALL the time.

How stupid is that? Very. We did not live fabulously, but to say we got 20g a day is hilarious. And Stalin shot one of his officials just because he was the messenger?

Why do you Americans think he is a mindless lunatic?
Because we believe all of the documented data and events, and not a guy on the internet. Almost any historian will tell you that, under Stalin, people starved, especially in the Ukraine.

The worst living dictator is definitely Mugabe, IMO. If I could, I'd gladly kill him myself.

any way I look at it....The BBC has more credibility than all of them.

more than the british government, the EU and the UN? wow

Did anyone notice that Skapedroe didn't vote Bush for the worst!!??!?!?!

*Takes deep breaths* Okay, I'm sorry for flaming. I guess everyone's allowed a different opinion, otherwise it'd be a crap debate. I do think Stalin was evil, but I don't think he was "mindless", I actually think he was rather intelligent. I've been writing a paper to that effect. I might remove my post because I went a bit mad.

na don't remove it. even though you ranted, you ranted truthfully and without threatening. I don't think ratheia can remember life under stalin.

Thanks, but too late. Sorry, I just can;t disassociate myself from so many people dying and suffering, and when someone denies that it ever even happened, it pushes a button!

I did GCSE History and studied Stalin and Hitler in great depth. We even did an essay on who was worse, and it's blatantly obvious when you look at the facts that Stalin was the worst by far. At least Hitler was in control of his mind when he was in power. Stalin went mad and got extremely paranoid and started killing everyone who even breathed the wrong way around him. If you think you'd rather have a madman in power than Hitler who, apart from the Holocaust, was not that bad a national leader, well...whatever.

Oh yeah, has the Cold War been mentioned yet? Stalin played a pretty big part in starting that too. Hitler didn't.

Oh yeah, has the Cold War been mentioned yet? Stalin played a pretty big part in starting that too. Hitler didn't.

Goody!!!! A chance to compare orthodox, revisionist and post-revisionist Cold War views!!!

The people who voted for Bush don't offer an explanation as to why he's worse than Hitler or Stalin.

What a suprise :rolleyes: hes the worst leader, please refer to the thread topic.

Okay...who's General Musharraf? :confused:

And yes, Stalin killed more than Hitler.
Actually, that depends on how you count their death tolls. Here's a good analysis of the situation:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm

Okay...who's General Musharraf? :confused:

*cough*

At least Hitler was in control of his mind when he was in power.
Hitler, sane?

You're joking, right?

Okay...who's General Musharraf? :confused:
The present dict... *ahem*... very nice and pro-American leader of Pakistan.

The present dict... *ahem*... very nice and pro-American leader of Pakistan.

Thanks.

I put up Bush, he is possibly a bit better than some other leaders but I just wanted to show how much I hate him!

hes the worst leader, please refer to the thread topic.
Thanks for spamming, I really can't see any point to your post.

Actually, that depends on how you count their death tolls. Here's a good analysis of the situation:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm


Owing to the fact that Germany was occupied, so there was no question of the camps,bodies,etc, Russia was NEVER occupied, so no one really knows just how many people were executed in Russia. Although, the Chechens might be able to elaborate on a few numbers.

Because we believe all of the documented data and events, and not a guy on the internet. Almost any historian will tell you that, under Stalin, people starved, especially in the Ukraine.

You don't have a say in this, American. I am a Ukranian.

People starved in Ukraine for a short period of time under the Great Famine where over a million people died.

However, rationing was ended in 1949 because USSR was recovering from the GPW. People did not feast, but there was sufficient food so that noone starved. The 20g a day is a myth. It wasn't even that bad in Leningrad under 2 1/2 years siege.

more than the british government, the EU and the UN? wow
of course the BBC is more credible...what are you smoking?