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Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer are not allowed in most public schools anymore, Because the word "God" is mentioned....

A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School Prayer.

I liked it....


Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take, AMEN

Cute. That'd take a long time to recite.

Argh, that offends me and everybody else who don't believe in "God".

Hail Satan!

Posted by Satanist, Lord Medivh

Insightful...angsty but insightful.

Meh.

Argh, that offends me and everybody else who don't believe in "God".

Hail Satan!

Posted by Satanist, Lord Medivh
*sob*
I pray for the Likes of You, often.
*sob*
God Bless You!

Does this kid realize he can legally read the bible and pray whenever he wants to in school? (supposing of course, he's allowed to talk at the time)
Does he also realize that the wiccans and pagans have a right to worship who they want too?
This whole "I can't say a prayer to myself in school" thing is a fallacy. Even the ACLU says that you have a RIGHT to pray in school. You just can't pressure the rest of us to join you.

How old are you and if you are still in school, where is your school. Hardly any schools hae gotten rid of the plege of allegiance.

And people accuse liberals of whining. :headbang:
That sounds like whining to me. As well as grossly inaccurate. :rolleyes:

How old are you and if you are still in school, where is your school. Hardly any schools hae gotten rid of the plege of allegiance.
They have not yet, but you just wait.

This is probably not a forum where that poem will get a positive response.

That and some of the metering and rhyming stuff is a bit awkward, but it's a pretty good poem I s'pose, longer than anything I'd write.

Again though, you'll probably discover yourself soon buried under a heap of insults from the non-Christians (who exist on this site in great number), and this thread will no doubt soon degenerate into an argument about the existence of God or civil liberties.

Meh.

so are any of you social conservatives at all interested in things like 'accuracy' or 'logic'?

We recite te pledge of allegience about once a month, if even that, at my school. Although, by 'recite,' I mean one of the APs recites it over the speakers while the rest of us discuss upcoming tests, plans for the weekend, or other random stuff. They may set aside class time for the pledge, but they can't make us care.

Again though, you'll probably discover yourself soon buried under a heap of insults from the non-Christians (who exist on this site in great number), and this thread will no doubt soon degenerate into an argument about the existence of God or civil liberties.

I would like to point out before someone else decides to do so for me, that I am aware that there is no debate over whether civil liberties exist. I meant general arguments about what civil liberties should be allowed and which should not.

Just clarifying.

This is probably not a forum where that poem will get a positive response.

That and some of the metering and rhyming stuff is a bit awkward, but it's a pretty good poem I s'pose, longer than anything I'd write.

Again though, you'll probably discover yourself soon buried under a heap of insults from the non-Christians (who exist on this site in great number), and this thread will no doubt soon degenerate into an argument about the existence of God or civil liberties.

Meh.
Oh, I knew it would stir up controversy, but i do not care.
And to make this clear: I did NOT write this poem, but I do Love it.
Yeah the metering and rhyming is a bit off.

God I am so sick of this whiney shit.

*boo hoo* I can't use a megaphone to pray in school and I can't force all the Jewish and Muslim and Pagan kids at school to suck Jesus's dick *wahhh* *boo hoo* I'm oppressed! Everyone is against Jesus! *waaahhhhhhhhh*

You know what? Shut the fuck up. There are literally tens of thousands of Christian private schools where you can go and everyone at the public schools will be glad to see you leave.

Some day, and I hope it's soon, you get to see what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. I hope you find yourself having to go through the motions of Muslim prayer and if you refuse, you get in trouble. Cuz *that* is exactly what you and all your kind want to do to everyone else.

Forcing someone to follow your way because you'll punish them otherwise is an act of terrorism and I think you should be hung as an example.

[/angry rant]

Now ... that said ...

If you want to pray in school, you go right ahead. Unless it's disruptive, you have every right to do so.

God I am so sick of this whiney shit.

*boo hoo* I can't use a megaphone to pray in school and I can't force all the Jewish and Muslim and Pagan kids at school to suck Jesus's dick *wahhh* *boo hoo* I'm oppressed! Everyone is against Jesus! *waaahhhhhhhhh*

You know what? Shut the fuck up. There are literally tens of thousands of Christian private schools where you can go and everyone at the public schools will be glad to see you leave.

Some day, and I hope it's soon, you get to see what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. I hope you find yourself having to go through the motions of Muslim prayer and if you refuse, you get in trouble. Cuz *that* is exactly what you and all your kind want to do to everyone else.

Forcing someone to follow your way because you'll punish them otherwise is an act of terrorism and I think you should be hung as an example.

[/angry rant]

Now ... that said ...

If you want to pray in school, you go right ahead. Unless it's disruptive, you have every right to do so.
PLEASE, NO FOUL LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Always nice knowing when a kid is a fricking idiot early on.

so are any of you social conservatives at all interested in things like 'accuracy' or 'logic'?

Social authoritarians wouldn't understand accuracy or logic if it physically pulled their head out of their asses for them.

PLEASE, NO FOUL LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have every right to use foul language.

The kids should be able to pray as long as the SCHOOL's curriculum and shit like that isn't heavily religiously biased.

ugh

Actually, they can mention God in school too. My american governance and history teacher talked about God and the Ten Commandments when he was discussing previous systems of law.

God is not outlawed in school, you just arn't allowed to indoctrinate our children with your religion.

I have discussions about God and the Christian religion with a christian friend of mine all the time. Neither of us deem it offensive. God was only added to the pledge of allegiance in the 50s, it's not a part of our "Proud heritage."

In the past, when they read prayers in school, some schools would also expel kids for being gay.
It's also a good point that abstinance only sex education has shown to lead to MORE teenage pregnancies.

What you've assembled is simply a collection of lies.

And finally, what do you say to those who DO practice another religion? Maybe the Jews, or the Wiccans, or the agnostics, or the atheists why do you believe that you have a right to force us to sit in a room and be preached at.

Boy, you really pissed Keruvalia off. I've never seen him use that sort of language. But I certainly understand it.

Social authoritarians wouldn't understand accuracy or logic if it physically pulled their head out of their asses for them.

well yeah, but it would be nice if they at least paid lip service to it sometimes. "argument by just making shit up" doesn't quite cut it for me. it makes me sad for humanity to see that it seems to be so damn popular and effective.

Actually, Jews can say this prayer as it says nothing about Jesus or the New Testament

you just arn't allowed to indoctrinate our children with your religion.

but that's oppression - how dare you stop me from forcing my stupid beliefs onto other people and punishing them if they don't go along with it?!

Boy, you really pissed Keruvalia off. I've never seen him use that sort of language. But I certainly understand it.

People who want to make their religion compulsory is one of my buttons. :)

Actually, Jews can say this prayer as it says nothing about Jesus or the New Testament

Can, sure, but they wouldn't ... because it's retarded.

Now what about the Muslims and the Pagans and the Atheists? Why do you feel you have the right to alienate them?

but then again, if we only teach the bible, John Scopes may have a lot of company.

Actually, Jews can say this prayer as it says nothing about Jesus or the New TestamentWe tend not to worry about things like this.

Actually, Jews can say this prayer as it says nothing about Jesus or the New Testament
We could, but most of us have more common sense than that.

"Prayer"?

Are you going to answer any of the comments about the blatant lies and hypocrisy in this poem? No? Can't say i'm surprised.

Our intolerance, spewed from the intercom
You better listen or else.
Our brainwashing come.
Our will be done,
in the classroom as it is in church
Give us this day our daily witch burning
And let us hang the fags from the roof
Condemn the nonbelievers to hell forever
And lead us not into education
But deliver us from logic
For ours is the kingdom
and the ignorance
and the glory of hypocrisy
for ever and ever, or at least until people wise up to this scheme.
Amen.

And lead us not into education
But deliver us from logic

frelling beautiful

Are you going to answer any of the comments about the blatant lies and hypocrisy in this poem? No? Can't say i'm surprised.

Our intolerance, spewed from the intercom
You better listen or else.
Our brainwashing come.
Our will be done,
in the classroom as it is in church
Give us this day our daily witch burning
And let us hang the fags from the roof
Condemn the nonbelievers to hell forever
And lead us not into education
But deliver us from logic
For ours is the kingdom
and the ignorance
and the glory of hypocrisy
for ever and ever.
Amen.
First of All:
I would not dare burn a human
2nd:
One of my friend's friend is an homosexual
3rd:
I do not LIKE the fact that some are going to Hell.

And lead us not into education
But deliver us from logic

Amen.
I LOVE Logic AND School


Then again:
I go to Private School
I DID NOT, for the umpteenth time, write this poem

I didn't accuse you of writing it, but you rather openly endorse it, so you have set yourself up as the person we will complain about it to.

Also, while these horribly intolerant things arn't what you yourself perscribe to, they have often been done by the hand of "Christianity." Not to mention that for the majority of christians, many of these things are lies, but I was trying to draw a parralel to what you posted. Both have in comman that they are mostly composed of lies.

Do you respect the right of anyone but yourself to worship as they choose?

I LOVE Logic AND School


Then again:
I go to Private School
I DID NOT, for the umpteenth time, write this poem

Perhaps that is the point? You have posted this poem from someone else, a poem which is utterly and totally in error. Quite simply; it complains about things that are not there, it bemoans a fate that has not occurred, how else do you expect others to react?

You've placed a poem before a community that inflames passions precisely because it tells a lie. The very same offense that you now complain about yourself! These debators have implied that you "hate logic and education" and you scramble to defend your love of these things. This poem says that secularism wants to "ban prayer" and "ban the bible" in schools; things that are simply not on the agenda for the majority of secularists.

The problem is of course that extremists exist on both sides, there ARE relgious people who want to restrict education and enforce religious doctrine even on those who do not share their religion. There ARE secularists who want to ban bibles and eliminate religion entirely.

What we desperately, DESPERATELY need is those between those two extremes to come together, to stand together as different viewpoints that can respect each other and be tolerant of differing belief systems.

More than anything else, clear heads and calm minds can cut through this reactionary rhetoric to the underlying problems underneath. To see how much of our differences are cosmetic or imaginary, how much of this conflict is simply hurt people lashing out at each other. How much of this fire is being fueled by hatred on the extremes, rather than the vast majority of the people who want nothing more than to live in peace.

*sob*
I pray for the Likes of You, often.
*sob*
God Bless You!

Praying doesn't work on me fool!

Here's a passage from the "Satanic Bible" you might like.

"Even though the god in common religions of today are basically the same, each regards the way chosen by others as reprehensible, and to top it off, religionists actually PRAY for one another! They have scorn people for the path they have chosen because their religons carry different labels, and somehow this animosity must be released. What better way then through "prayer"! What a simperingly polite way of saying: "I hate your guts," is the thinly disguised device known as praying for your enemy! Praying for one's own enemy is nothing more then bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
"Book of Lucifer" passage 2-9 from the "Satanic Bible".

Praying for your enemy is just the same as saying "I hate your guts".

Hail Satan!

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

In my opinion, nobody should have to say the flag salute at all. It's basically a chant and nobody really cares what theyre saying. But really, if we're gonna say it why the hell would we say "under god" when there isn't a god (or so I and many others believe).

All you stupid religious people do is try to convert everyone else to your beliefs, which are bullshit anyway. If i had to pick a religion it would probably be Buddhism. Why the fuck can't we just say "under Buddha". He was a hell of a better person than jesus.

:mad: :upyours:

God I am so sick of this whiney shit.

*boo hoo* I can't use a megaphone to pray in school and I can't force all the Jewish and Muslim and Pagan kids at school to suck Jesus's dick *wahhh* *boo hoo* I'm oppressed! Everyone is against Jesus! *waaahhhhhhhhh*

You know what? Shut the fuck up. There are literally tens of thousands of Christian private schools where you can go and everyone at the public schools will be glad to see you leave.

Some day, and I hope it's soon, you get to see what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. I hope you find yourself having to go through the motions of Muslim prayer and if you refuse, you get in trouble. Cuz *that* is exactly what you and all your kind want to do to everyone else.

Forcing someone to follow your way because you'll punish them otherwise is an act of terrorism and I think you should be hung as an example.

[/angry rant]

Now ... that said ...

If you want to pray in school, you go right ahead. Unless it's disruptive, you have every right to do so.

I agree

Why not "Under Satan" he is a Hell of better person then Jesus. Satan was the one who gave us free will and the freedom to do anything we want.

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

I have to ask all of those christians who are for institutionalized prayer at school: Would you feel ostrasized and offended if this was read over the intercom at your local school daily


"Horned One of the wilderness,
Winged One of the shining skies,
Rayed One of the splen'drous Sun,
Fallen One of the Samhain cries-
I call amidst the standing stones
Praying that you, O Ancient One,
Will deign to bless my mystic rites-
O fiery Lord of the Blazing Sun!"

or if you were read this by one of your teachers:

"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

If it would, then you are hypocrites, and you are not loving your neighbor as yourself, because you are trying to force them to hear that which they don't want to hear, when you don't want to hear the same thing from them.

Perhaps we can say a prayer from each religion over the intercom. It wouldn't leave much time for anything else, but then everyone could get a little bit of their religion included. Or we could just teach at school, and let everyone go to their respective churches/temples/mosques/synagogues/shrines/groves on their own time.

Jesus child-raping Christ on a popsicle stick, fucking lame! The Christians have always been like this. The only reason ancient religions are often mentioned in class is that the kids aren't likely to get any real-world exposure to them. Keeping dominant religions out of the schools isn't even entirely a church/state issue. The school boards just don't want the classroom to be turned into a day-long Bible study. Also, they don't want the kids who aren't a part of the majority religion to be made into targets by putting them on the spot to reveal something about their religious background that they might want to keep concealed, or at least not made an issue of, hence the obvious problem with teachers leading prayers.

Some day, and I hope it's soon, you get to see what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. I hope you find yourself having to go through the motions of Muslim prayer and if you refuse, you get in trouble. Cuz *that* is exactly what you and all your kind want to do to everyone else.



I agree. Although such a situation does screw me over to. I've got no problem with it if I bring the whiney down with me.


As for saying "under <insert specific religious figure here>". I oppose that anyway, I've got some thousands of gods and goddesses I can choose from. I'm sure you don't have to think long before you realise what havoc this will reek on my brain trying to choose one to say, or trying to say all.
Best to keep it out completely.

Of course, I'm not an American, but I guess I get duel citizenship when I marry one, so it does sorta matter to me.