NationStates Jolt Archive

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Hmm. . .that's tough. Probably North Korea.

Well where to start

all these countries could have a case:

North Korea
Turkey
China
Central Africa (if someone could be more specific that would be helpful)

Some people will drone on about america but america doesn't have public executions, limitations on giving birth and a major abuse of female rights.

This is not an endorsment of america and there are things that the country does that absuses huan rights but all I'm trying to put across is a bit of perspective

wich Gov does the worst HR horrors?

got to be an african Gov...like Rwanda.

Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Iran
North Korea
Belarus
Zimbabwe
Cuba
Syria
Nigeria
Uzbekistan
China

Thats all I can think of right now, naturally some countries are worse than others.

I can't decide between Zimbabwe and North Korea. Turkmenistan ain't exactly a paradise, either.

Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Iran
North Korea
Belarus
Zimbabwe
Cuba
Syria
Nigeria
Uzbekistan
China

Thats all I can think of right now, naturally some countries are worse than others.

Shoot. I forgot some of those. :(

I hope the people who voted for the U.S. aren't serious. Yes, the U.S. has plenty of faults, yes, it's committed its share of horrible human rights abuses, but at least we don't slaughter people and steal their property just for having a certain color skin (Zimbabwe), beat, imprison, or murder opposition politicians (almost every country on the list), completely censor all media (almost every country on the list), commit genocide (the last- and arguably only- genocide we committed was against Native Americans, which happened well over a century ago), or send people to slave labor camps (China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).

I'm kind of suprised you didn't put the Saudi's on the list. When I read the question the first three I thought of were them, N. Korea and Rwanda.

North Korea, followed closely by Sudan and China.

I'm kind of suprised you didn't put the Saudi's on the list. When I read the question the first three I thought of were them, N. Korea and Rwanda.

I forgot them. But yes, they should definitely have been on the list, agreed.

North Korea, pretty easily. Though Sudan is getting up there.

How do you edit a poll?

Hey, where's Sudan?

Hey, where's Sudan?

See post #13.

See post #13.
Sry, I dunno how to

I hope the people who voted for the U.S. aren't serious. Yes, the U.S. has plenty of faults, yes, it's committed its share of horrible human rights abuses, but at least we don't slaughter people and steal their property just for having a certain color skin (Zimbabwe), beat, imprison, or murder opposition politicians (almost every country on the list), completely censor all media (almost every country on the list), commit genocide (the last- and arguably only- genocide we committed was against Native Americans, which happened well over a century ago), or send people to slave labor camps (China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).
The problem is that the concept of human rights is one that is integral to the US culture. With the other countries you list, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, N. Korea etc., the concept of human rights is not culturally ingrained. It is one thing to act against the culture of another country, it is something completely different to act against your own culture.
The idea that human rights are universal, and are valued through all cultures is false. As is shown by the consistent infractions against this code by countries that do not share it.
Given this, the worst infractor is the USA. They are breaking the rules that they agreed to. The others are not. They are simply breaking the rules that a certain portion of the world thinks that they ought to agree to.

*puts on asbestos suit and hopes the nukes miss*

I hope the people who voted for the U.S. aren't serious. ...at least we don't slaughter people and steal their property.....
The US does not slaughter people for Oil?

most of the World would disagree.

Singapore, where they will cane you for just about everything.

Singapore, where they will cane you for just about everything.

*shrugs* law of the land. Don't like it , don't go there

Singapore, where they will cane you for just about everything.
caning should not break human rigths

The US does not slaughter people for Oil?

most of the World would disagree.

Who said the war in Iraq was about oil?

Definitly North Korea. At least Zimbabwe pretends to have democracy, and the legal system has overruled Mugabe once or twice, and gotten away with it.

Who said the war in Iraq was about oil?

No one it was clearly to "liberate" Iraq and find weapons of mass destruction. oh wait a minute. But hey at least Iraq is now a safer place. The question is for who though

Definitly North Korea. At least Zimbabwe pretends to have democracy, and the legal system has overruled Mugabe once or twice, and gotten away with it.democracy does not equal human rigths...

remember Guantanamo?

No one it was clearly to "liberate" Iraq and find weapons of mass destruction. oh wait a minute. But hey at least Iraq is now a safer place. The question is for who though

I never said it was or wasn't about oil. It's just that I have yet to see proof that oil is what it was about.

No one it was clearly to "liberate" Iraq and find weapons of mass destruction. oh wait a minute. But hey at least Iraq is now a safer place. The question is for who though

Oh come on..you can't be serious. I'm no supporter of the war but the idea that the war was for oil is ridiculous. I'm sure that bush has his own inane list of reasons for going to war, but I highly doubt that oil was a top one.

If you live in the US..Have you seen oil prices go down substantially as a result of the war? I sure haven't.

You are going off topic. A discussion about Iraq, War, Oil etc. is not one about rights abuse.

I never said it was or wasn't about oil. It's just that I have yet to see proof that oil is what it was about.

I will concur that there is no proof that the Iraq war was about oil. There is an opinion around the world that it was about oil but this has yet to be proven so remains an opinion. To be fair I think people have made up their mind about the issue and are not going to be swayed.

A better example of human rights abuse could be Guantanamo bay for the US, but the thing is every country does it including my own. Only recently have people been released after 3 years witout trial

North Korea, followed closely by Sudan and China.

Surely Rwanda, Sudan and then North Korea would be the right order... The first two commit state sanctioned genocide... while North Korea is surely suppressive it is not mindlessly killing its citzens for their race .. political belifs perhaps.. but not for things they have no control over from birth

Probably a country that hides it the best. China maybe.

Whoever said the USA are dumbasses who dont deserve to live.

I will concur that there is no proof that the Iraq war was about oil. There is an opinion around the world that it was about oil but this has yet to be proven so remains an opinion. To be fair I think people have made up their mind about the issue and are not going to be swayed.

A better example of human rights abuse could be Guantanamo bay for the US, but the thing is every country does it including my own. Only recently have people been released after 3 years witout trial

Guantanamo bay is hardly comparable to bosnia, rwanda, or dahfur... it should not even be in the mix...

Surely Rwanda, Sudan and then North Korea would be the right order... The first two commit state sanctioned genocide... while North Korea is surely suppressive it is not mindlessly killing its citzens for their race .. political belifs perhaps.. but not for things they have no control over from birth

Zimbabwe kills people because of their race, too. Mugabe killed over 30,000 Matabeles in the early-mid 80's, and today he's beating, torturing, and killing whites and giving their farms not to poor people, but to political supporters.

Whoever said the USA are dumbasses who dont deserve to live.

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing even though I think thats a little over the top. I think the reason America is up there is because it agrees to human rights whereas the other countries do not (looking at the broard list). It could be the opinion that how can countries abuse something that they don't recognise?

Wow for once no-one mentioned Israel...

OMG i jinxed it@ OMFG~!!! OXOXSOOeleven!

Well i voted for NK...but that's too obvious... plus you said modern nation. ;)

I might go with China...as they take out the organs of Executed Prisoners without consent... But there's things far worse then things like that going on in Africa.. like the Genital Mutiliation and such.

Guantanamo bay is hardly comparable to bosnia, rwanda, or dahfur... it should not even be in the mix...

Again none of these places recognise human rights ^^^^

The US does not slaughter people for Oil?

most of the World would disagree.

Thats what you get for reading and watching only Liberal Media.
Take a look at the offical resolution passed by the United States Congress.
The American People dont kill for oil.


North Korea is the worst in a non racial way.

democracy does not equal human rigths...

remember Guantanamo?
What do those poor bastards have to do with anything?

The US does not slaughter people for Oil?

most of the World would disagree.

Yet have no proof of anything... most of the world would probably be wrong.. and this is still hardly comparable of trying to systematically eliminate an entire race of some culture... Rwanda... dahfur...

We steal oil ? why are we paying 50 dollars a barrel then when we can so easily draw it right out of Iraq for free right ? THAT id like an answer to

Whoever said the USA are dumbasses who dont deserve to live.

Well I did, then I explained why. Does this threat still apply.
Actually I said they were who I voted for, I don't think I used the term "dumbasses"

What kind of idiot picks the U.S.A.? Seriously? Why?

What do those poor bastards have to do with anything?
your brain is to be used sometimes...

Again none of these places recognise human rights ^^^^

thats not the question..t he question is who is the worst offender.. ignorance is not a defense. I dont have to be taught going on a kiling sprey is wrong to know that its wrong..

at worst.. we are hipocritical.. which is at its very worst.. arguable..

What kind of idiot picks the U.S.A.? Seriously? Why?

How many times do I have to repeat myself? IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE POLL THAT RECOGNISES HUMAN RIGHTS!

your brain is to be used sometimes...
No, I use my brain quite often. My heart has never worked, though.

The problem is that the concept of human rights is one that is integral to the US culture. With the other countries you list, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, N. Korea etc., the concept of human rights is not culturally ingrained. It is one thing to act against the culture of another country, it is something completely different to act against your own culture.
The idea that human rights are universal, and are valued through all cultures is false. As is shown by the consistent infractions against this code by countries that do not share it.
Given this, the worst infractor is the USA. They are breaking the rules that they agreed to. The others are not. They are simply breaking the rules that a certain portion of the world thinks that they ought to agree to.

*puts on asbestos suit and hopes the nukes miss*

:Reads: Uhuh. You're still wrong. None of this different cultures bullshit.

You can't defend FGMs or rape in Africa. You can't defend fascism in North Korea. It's not like there's a question as to whether it's right or not.

While I understand that morals are subjective, certain actions are simply not conducive for the whole, as evidenced by the success of Arab countries in comparison to say... Israel.

The bottom line is, America is damn well with human rights because we are a second world country (not equal enough for first world) with a first world economy and civil rights (hate speech is the least restricted here, though arguably, a bad thing).

Ocean, you have yet to post proof of anything...not gonna happen...take my word for it...or do not, I dont care.

and this is still hardly comparable of trying to systematically eliminate an entire race of some culture... Rwanda... dahfur... I agree.
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... most of the world would probably be wrong.. I dont agree.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE POLL THAT RECOGNISES HUMAN RIGHTS!

so what is comparable then... if we recognized human rights.. yet decided to trounce on free speech.. is it comparable to genocide if the country commiting it dosn't "belive" in human rights... If we established a state religion or put limitations on what arabs could belive.. is it comparable to genoicde ? at what point can you compare the two.. simply because we belive in human rights and still may commit some violations (EXTREMELY ARGUABLE) can we compare it still to genocide ? the systematic killing of others... i dont think so.. i dont buy that

Zimbabwe kills people because of their race, too. Mugabe killed over 30,000 Matabeles in the early-mid 80's, and today he's beating, torturing, and killing whites and giving their farms not to poor people, but to political supporters.

This probably didn't filter through to the US, but two Zimbabwean cricketers, Henry Olonga (http://nz.cricinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/ZIM/O/OLONGA_HK_09002181/) and the world class Andy Flower (http://nz.cricinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/ZIM/F/FLOWER_A_09002047/) wore black armbands at the 2003 world cup to mourn the 'death of democracy' in their country. They were told that they were no longer welcome in the country. Another Zim cricketer, Heath Streak has lost some of his farm land and when he was in New Zealand to play for the FICA world XI, an interviewer asked him how the farm was going. You could see that he was picking his words very carefully when he mentioned he lost some of his land.

thats not the question..t he question is who is the worst offender.. ignorance is not a defense. I dont have to be taught going on a kiling sprey is wrong to know that its wrong..

at worst.. we are hipocritical.. which is at its very worst.. arguable..

Your right ignorance is not a defence but these countries are not ignorant, they are merely living to a set of values. I find what a lot of these countries have done attrocious and in many cases illegal to international law but you must recognise that everyone lives to a certain code. Killing is allways wrong but hey. People are executed. People die be it in war, famine, genocide. All these things are wrong but since when has this not been the case?

I would say Sudan, because a Genocide trumps all other human rights abuses.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE POLL THAT RECOGNISES HUMAN RIGHTS!

That's a damn good start at protecting them, and a great deal more advanced than ignoring them or having a "different cultural attitude" about them.

Also, aren't you being a bit hypocritical in asserting that human rights are important? Don't try and be some fake liberal that loves everyone. You can't love liberty and freedom and enemies of it. I'm a liberal libertarian, but at least I have the brains and stomach to admit that some people just aren't smart or advanced enough to do what's best for the whole. Human rights are beneficial for the entire community, a fact clearly evident to any sentient creature. Therefore, whether it's "right" or "wrong" is irrelevant. Only whether you understand that and strive for that.

dont be naive, we steal oil. oh wait, those oil pipelines that run from Iraq to Kuwait are decoys! sure there are far worse countries than the US. all we need is for a major disaster here, and boom, marshall law is enforced and we all go to fema camps. when that happens we'll climb the list. but dont forget about all those new acts such as patriot act I & II, and other shit the government does.

not gona happen...take my word for it...or do not, I dont care.

i dont.. no proof.. no credibilty..

I agree.

you should its common sense.

I dont agree.

the facts speak for themselves.. how do you argue we steal oil.. when we pay 50 dollars a barral (highest rates in history) for oil when we can extract it for free from IRAQ ?

s.. yet decided to trounce on free speech..
... If we established a state religion or put limitations on what arabs could belive.. is it comparable to genoicde ?

We have a greater freedom of speech than most of Europe. In Europe, there ARE limits to religious beliefs and statements, eg. France with public displays of religious clothing.

Incidentally, that's probably better than in America, which, though freer, is worse off because stupid religious people are allowed to flourish and bigots are allowed to spew crap without consequence.

so what is comparable then... if we recognized human rights.. yet decided to trounce on free speech.. is it comparable to genocide if the country commiting it dosn't "belive" in human rights... If we established a state religion or put limitations on what arabs could belive.. is it comparable to genoicde ? at what point can you compare the two.. simply because we belive in human rights and still may commit some violations (EXTREMELY ARGUABLE) can we compare it still to genocide ? the systematic killing of others... i dont think so.. i dont buy that

For a start I wouldn't compare any of those what i think is wrong is that we are comparing a country that respects human rights and a country that does not. You want my honest opinion, I don't think the US should be on there because its a bad comparrison to compare it with the other countries on that list. That was my origional point. And at no point will I defend some of the actions of countries such as N.Korea, what I am saying is that it is impossible to compare the two.

dont be naive, we steal oil. oh wait, those oil pipelines that run from Iraq to Kuwait are decoys! sure there are far worse countries than the US. all we need is for a major disaster here, and boom, marshall law is enforced and we all go to fema camps. when that happens we'll climb the list. but dont forget about all those new acts such as patriot act I & II, and other shit the government does.

Look, it's obvious no sane and intelligent person enjoys the current government of America, but that doesn't make America, or even the government itself, the current greatest offender of human rights.

Thats what you get for reading and watching only Liberal Media.I read and watch both biased media...AND unbiased media.
what is in your wallet? ;)
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Take a look at the offical resolution passed by the United States Congress.
The American People dont kill for oil.do you really think I give a rat's ass about what resolutions the United States Congress passes?

We have a greater freedom of speech than most of Europe. In Europe, there ARE limits to religious beliefs and statements, eg. France with public displays of religious clothing.

Incidentally, that's probably better than in America, which, though freer, is worse off because stupid religious people are allowed to flourish and bigots are allowed to spew crap without consequence.

there are also far higher levels of intolerace and anti-semitism in Europe... are they for the better ? stupid religious people are allowed to flourish in America, but you have to hid your faith, who you are and what you belive in your house for fear of being.. un French or non secular...

:Reads: Uhuh. You're still wrong. None of this different cultures bullshit.

Umm, how many different cultures have you experiencewd in your life. Obviously not enough to know that culture is very powerful. You are subject to it in your reply. Your culture demands that things be right or wrong, good or bad. Rather than say that you disagree with me, you say I am wrong. By your standards maybe I am, by my standards it is fairly obvious that I am not.

You can't defend FGMs or rape in Africa. You can't defend fascism in North Korea. It's not like there's a question as to whether it's right or not.
The question was not about which is the most morally correct country. It was, which present-day country is the worst abuser of human rights? If you have no concept of equality in your culture, and many do not, then asking which country is the worst abuser of equality can only be answered positively for those cultures that have this concept.

While I understand that morals are subjective, certain actions are simply not conducive for the whole, as evidenced by the success of Arab countries in comparison to say... Israel.

The subjectivity of morals, even if true, has nothing to do with my arguments whatsoever. That is as far as I understand what you said. What do you mean? Could you please rephrase your point so that I can understand your objection

The bottom line is, America is damn well with human rights because we are a second world country (not equal enough for first world) with a first world economy and civil rights (hate speech is the least restricted here, though arguably, a bad thing).

America is damn well with human rights. What do you mean? Yes america has human rights as a concept. The second world were the warsaw pact countries, I don't think that this description applies to the USA. You have the choice of being first world, which you are, or third world, which I do not believe is appropriate. It is precisely because the USA has civil rights, and the fact that it systematically ignores these, and has done so throughout its history, that I think it is the worst offender against human rights.

Look, it's obvious no sane and intelligent person enjoys the current government of America, but that doesn't make America, or even the government itself, the current greatest offender of human rights.
i didnt say they were the worst, i know they are not. but there are actually countless sheep that would love to lick bush's asshole, and proclaim he is god. mainly the typical fox news watching, fast food consuming, anti-christians(or the average christian that enjoys people who sell christianity, in other words people that claim to be christian yet are going against what there bible says(yeah i call them anti-christians, sorry for confusion.))EDIT: damnit those are the insane ,unitelligent people you implied. but my point is that i know the US is definately low on the list of human abusers.

... I don't think the US should be on there ....
The US should not be on the Poll?

well...It should cos its getting votes.. second only to NK.

The question I have is...

where is ISRAEL ??? (why not on the poll)

The US should not be on the Poll?

well...It should cos its getting votes.. second only to NK.

The question I have is...

where is ISRAEL ??? (why not on the poll)

or Turkey?

good points alien born!

Ever heard of Myanmar (Burma) ?

Ever heard of Myanmar (Burma) ?

I know very little about Burma I'm afraid :(.

Ever heard of Myanmar (Burma) ?

Damn, another one I forgot.

The US should not be on the Poll?

well...It should cos its getting votes.. second only to NK.

The question I have is...

where is ISRAEL ??? (why not on the poll)

The US gets votes because it is trendy to be against the US. It cannot seriously be placed on a list of worst offenders. Isreal is the whipping boy of the world these days, terrorists are condoned or their actions are explained away but Isreal, which is in a desperate situation with most of the world aligned against it, is constantly condemned. They fight for their survival against people who wish to kill them all.

Um dude, Syria.

N. Korea isn't that bad an abuser of human rights. It's just a communist dictatorship.

Edit: WTF is the US doing on this list?

Ever heard of Myanmar (Burma) ?

Yep, they're my vote. It's rather freaky visiting there - people won't talk to you unless they are very certain they won't be reported for it.

Except for the Moustache Brothers - one of them talked about the country's problems for an hour non-stop.

I voted other, for the simple reason that not all abuse cases are reported and it would be difficult to say which country was the worst abuser of human rights.

Why the poll Roach Busters?

Turkministan. The leader is nuts. Don't hear much about b/c no one outsources to it and he's not developing a bomb.

The US should not be on the Poll?

well...It should cos its getting votes.. second only to NK.

The question I have is...

where is ISRAEL ??? (why not on the poll)
It has to be the US. Because we aren't honoring the Kyoto treaty, or the ICC, or the International agreement on Human Rights, or whatever other crap comes out of the rest of the world. Clearly we are committing crimes against humanity that dwarf the genocide in Rwanda or Serbia. It's always the US. Wise up, we are the world's bully.

I selected other. How the hell could you leave Sudan off the list? Are you totally unawar of what's happening in Darfur? None of the other countries are engaging in a mass genocide, sponsored by the state, like Sudan is. The Arab mujahideen militias have killed hundreds of thousands of the country' blacks, and no end is in sight. Right now, Sudan is definetly the worst violator of human rights.

USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!

...Isreal, which is in a desperate situation with most of the world aligned against it, is constantly condemned. They fight for their survival against people who wish to kill them all.and why -do you think- is most of the World against Israel?

I voted USA because of my extreme, unending bias against it.

I hope the people who voted for the U.S. aren't serious. Yes, the U.S. has plenty of faults, yes, it's committed its share of horrible human rights abuses, but at least we don't slaughter people and steal their property just for having a certain color skin (Zimbabwe), beat, imprison, or murder opposition politicians (almost every country on the list), completely censor all media (almost every country on the list), commit genocide (the last- and arguably only- genocide we committed was against Native Americans, which happened well over a century ago), or send people to slave labor camps (China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).

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phew... ... .. . well, the US doesn't abuse its own citizens as much as those other countries, but inderectly it is the most abusive country to other people around the world. Don't forget sweat shops and oil based wars and funding corrupt governments have all lead to abuse of human rights, all funded by US tax dollars- edit: and let me add the patriot act, slaughter of South america, abuse of black slaves and later on black citizens, the completely backed attack of Indonesia against East Timor and most notably Hiroshima. US not abusive? When money is the blood life of a country, death and abuse to foreign peoples is emminant.

Saudi Arabia.

Russia, Cuba, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan should all be replaced by Myanmar (Burma), Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and Colombia.

why was Syria not on the list??

Why isn't Saudia Arabia on this list?

Zimbabwe easily. They have secret camps there where they beat, rape and kill people. That is the same place where they teach the armies to fight and also to kill anybody who is against Mugabe.

I know North Korea is meant to be bad but I don't actually know anything about what they have done. Can someone tell me?

Democratic Republic of the Congo.

I know North Korea is meant to be bad but I don't actually know anything about what they have done. Can someone tell me?

They arrest Christians for being Christian and put them under some horrific torture practices. Eg, they pumped this one womans stomach full of water then placed a wooden board across her stomach and walked over it.

USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!USA!!!
You've clearly never heard of Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Syria, Iran, the Sudan, and dozens of other places...

N korea, most islamic theocracies, and the entire frickin african continent, although South Africa's improving.

Singapore, where they will cane you for just about everything.
I'd take a caning in Singapore over being boiled alive in Uzbekistan, force fed human waste in China (if you believe the Falun Dafa people), or being mutilated and hacked to bits in Rwanda.

and most notably Hiroshima. US not abusive?
Hiroshima was bombed to lower the amount of deaths. They did the math and figured out that 5 million people would be killed if the war continued on as it was. That's why we bombed Hiroshima you tool.

Aren't you guys forgetting Stalin? I know Russia's not the worst, but one man killed millions upon millions of people. That's pretty bad itself.

The worst countries listed for violations of human rights are probably the USA, North Korea, China and Uzbekistan while the least oppressive are Cuba, Libya and Russia.

I want to know everyone's justification for the US?

Well where to start

all these countries could have a case:

North Korea
Turkey
China
Central Africa (if someone could be more specific that would be helpful)

Some people will drone on about america but america doesn't have public executions, limitations on giving birth and a major abuse of female rights.

This is not an endorsment of america and there are things that the country does that absuses huan rights but all I'm trying to put across is a bit of perspective

america should have public executions, our penalties for crimes are way too low

I go for others.
Sudan : Darfour.
One of the worst situations at the moment.
The arabs are holding a genocide under the original black inhabitants,
and rape the woman and kids.

It's hard to say. The US has a truly appalling human rights record. One of the few first world nations with the death penalty, at least 10,000 civilians killed for a war of conquest, the slew of psychological torture incidents on various people connected to the Middle east in some way. Then again there is Japan, which is even more racist, sexist, and homophobic than the empire and has the whole enjo kosai thing.

Aren't you guys forgetting Stalin? I know Russia's not the worst, but one man killed millions upon millions of people. That's pretty bad itself.

I doubt people are forgetting Stalin. They just don't believe either he or his country is around anymore.

Hiroshima was bombed to lower the amount of deaths. They did the math and figured out that 5 million people would be killed if the war continued on as it was. That's why we bombed Hiroshima you tool.

Good to see that the Japanese were allowed to check "the math" before the US slaughtered some 150,000 civilians. I can't see how any war crime this massive can be justified by future predictions, or anything else for that matter.

The fact that more people voted for the USA than China shows just how ignorant and childish people on this forum are.

The worst countries listed for violations of human rights are probably the USA, North Korea, China and Uzbekistan while the least oppressive are Cuba, Libya and Russia.
Yes, which is why we have people trying to get to the US from Cuba on floating trucks. I don't see many poor people going to Cuba, do you?

Good to see that the Japanese were allowed to check "the math" before the US slaughtered some 150,000 civilians. I can't see how any war crime this massive can be justified by future predictions, or anything else for that matter.
They could have surrendered. We did warn them.

I don't see that anyone has posted this link yet, so
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html)

I say China. They execute about 800 people each year, send people to slave labour camps, kill people for political and religious beliefs, and use torture heavily.

I hope the people who voted for the U.S. aren't serious.
I voted for China, so don't worry, but why did you even put the USA on the list?

Do you consider capital punishment to be a human rights violation? I do.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life

How many times do I have to repeat myself? IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE POLL THAT RECOGNISES HUMAN RIGHTS!
(hate speech is the least restricted here, though arguably, a bad thing).
What, you think that saying anything racist should be a criminal offence? What about free speech?

They could have surrendered. We did warn them.
Actually, Japan did surrender several times before the atomic bombings. The USA didn't accept their conditions because they wanted to keep some of their empire.

I want to know everyone's justification for the US?and I want a red Ferrari

The fact that more people voted for the USA than China shows just how ignorant and childish people on this forum are.
Tickie, your it. hi hi.

Russia, North Korea... hmmm... difficult choices...

Cuba's not so bad, I don't think, and while not the bastion of freedom and liberty it thinks it is, the USA isn't an abuser of human rights compared to a lot of other countries.

But my vote goes to Turkmenistan. Niyazov is a complete nutcase. He's even outlawed beards.

N korea, most islamic theocracies, and the entire frickin african continent, although South Africa's improving.

wow, your talking CNN language, and so fluentely too, I'm impressed. I never knew anybody could be so easily brainwashed and conditioned. This is to everybody here really who thinks the US is not the biggest abuser of human rights. The only difference is that other countries advertise their abuses more, they don't hide it so much and if they do, it is easy to reveal it. The US masks its abuse with ignorance, propaganda and by reducing the populace to apathy or savageness.

The expected reaction from all of you is just denial. You'll bring statistics and references to news media and articles. They're all lies.
It is harder to believe that everything you've been raised to believe apt and true is completely false and flogged with lies upon lies and topped with hypocracy and evil.

Whenever you want to talk about something, don't think you know it all just because you watch CNN or BBS or even Al-Jazeera. Because you will never understand. The system is fabricated so to leave the people confused and hopefully for "them" the people will give up and be reduced to apathy. Otherwise, they can infuse them with false pride and redeem them as saviors of their empire and make them complete savages.

Either way, the corrupt system is benefitting, you are the pawns on the chess board, and until now, everything seems to be working just fine for "them." But wait, some people are beggining to open their eyes and see. There are protests and resistance seems not too far away.

The reality is, America is preparing for civil war. It is expecting it in the next 20-30 years. The police and military are integrating and combining. Mental conditioning is intensifying. I don't know guys, but you've got to ask yourselves some questions. I always thought to myself, maybe Bush is right, maybe the war in Iraq is good, maybe the US is not a bad place at all, maybe the real bad guys are all those foreign countries. Now do you share of perspective change. Think in the opposite perspective, taste it. If you like it, have some more, if you don't, spit it out. But at least try.

Hmm. . .that's tough. Probably North Korea.

probably, but since Amnesty International is barred from that country, who really knows what's going on?

The problem is that the concept of human rights is one that is integral to the US culture. With the other countries you list, Zimbabwe, China, Cuba, N. Korea etc., the concept of human rights is not culturally ingrained....Given this, the worst infractor is the USA. They are breaking the rules that they agreed to. The others are not. They are simply breaking the rules that a certain portion of the world thinks that they ought to agree to.
You are incorrect. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) was adopted unanimously by the UN General Assembly on 10 December 1948. China, Cuba, Iran and Saudi Arabia were a part of that General Assembly, so yes they have agreed to these rules.

probably, but since Amnesty International is barred from that country, who really knows what's going on?
I saw a BBC documentary on North Korea about a year ago. They said that in North Korea, not only political dissidents but also their families are gassed to death in Nazi-style gas chambers. I think that is pure evil.

They got their info from a NK defector who was in the army. At the time he said he was brainwashed into thinking that these people were "traitors" that deserved death.

I can't believe that that many people voted for the USA. We seem to be the most hated country in the world.

I voted for China, so don't worry, but why did you even put the USA on the list?

If I didn't, people would harp about, "Oh, why isn't the U.S. on the list?"

The worst countries listed for violations of human rights are probably the USA, North Korea, China and Uzbekistan while the least oppressive are Cuba, Libya and Russia.

Wow. By what tortured logic you reached that conclusion I don't even want to know.

It's hard to say. The US has a truly appalling human rights record. One of the few first world nations with the death penalty, at least 10,000 civilians killed for a war of conquest, the slew of psychological torture incidents on various people connected to the Middle east in some way. Then again there is Japan, which is even more racist, sexist, and homophobic than the empire and has the whole enjo kosai thing.

And yet, in the U.S., people like Chomsky, Zinn, etc. are able to voice their opinions without fear of repercussion (sp?). It has its faults, but it's hardly the living Hell you make it out to be.

Amputations, beheadings, torture in the prisons, no free press, religious persecution, and government by wealthy amoral assholes who encourage fundamentalist religion and terrorism against foreigners in their people. Who can possibly be worse than Saudi Arabia?

Amputations, beheadings, torture in the prisons, no free press, religious persecution, and government by wealthy amoral assholes who encourage fundamentalist religion and terrorism against foreigners in their people. Who can possibly be worse than Saudi Arabia?

Zimbabwe or North Korea. But not by much. :(

N. Korea isn't that bad an abuser of human rights. It's just a communist dictatorship.
Incorrect. It puts political dissidents into slave labour and death camps. See post #110.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? IT'S THE ONLY COUNTRY ON THE POLL THAT RECOGNISES HUMAN RIGHTS!
Wrong. See post #109.

To put some actual scientific research into this discussion:

Worst Human Rights Violators (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_tables/0,5737,258329,00.html)
Alternate Table (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_tables/0,5737,94911,00.html)
How the tables work (http://www.guardian.co.uk/rightsindex/Story/0,2763,201762,00.html)

The Democratic Republic of Congo is first.

It would also seem that America is the 65th worst human rights abuser in the world.

USA...you have got to be kidding me? Okay some of the things they're up to at the moment are a bit iffy, but compared to a good few of those others up there 'iffy' is the worst they can be described as. Sheesh.

does the Vatican count as a country?

does the Vatican count as a country?
Yes it does, but I know where you are going with this. The Vatican is not responsible for the Catholic sex abuse. Although covered up, the abuse was not Vatican policy, and did not happen on Vatican City territory.

I can't believe that that many people voted for the USA. We seem to be the most hated country in the world.the question to be asked "why are we so hated?"

Why 19 men did choose to die..in order to strike the WTC and Pentagon?

wow, your talking CNN language, and so fluentely too, I'm impressed. I never knew anybody could be so easily brainwashed and conditioned. This is to everybody here really who thinks the US is not the biggest abuser of human rights. The only difference is that other countries advertise their abuses more, they don't hide it so much and if they do, it is easy to reveal it. The US masks its abuse with ignorance, propaganda and by reducing the populace to apathy or savageness.

The expected reaction from all of you is just denial. You'll bring statistics and references to news media and articles. They're all lies.
It is harder to believe that everything you've been raised to believe apt and true is completely false and flogged with lies upon lies and topped with hypocracy and evil.

Whenever you want to talk about something, don't think you know it all just because you watch CNN or BBS or even Al-Jazeera. Because you will never understand. The system is fabricated so to leave the people confused and hopefully for "them" the people will give up and be reduced to apathy. Otherwise, they can infuse them with false pride and redeem them as saviors of their empire and make them complete savages.

Either way, the corrupt system is benefitting, you are the pawns on the chess board, and until now, everything seems to be working just fine for "them." But wait, some people are beggining to open their eyes and see. There are protests and resistance seems not too far away.

The reality is, America is preparing for civil war. It is expecting it in the next 20-30 years. The police and military are integrating and combining. Mental conditioning is intensifying. I don't know guys, but you've got to ask yourselves some questions. I always thought to myself, maybe Bush is right, maybe the war in Iraq is good, maybe the US is not a bad place at all, maybe the real bad guys are all those foreign countries. Now do you share of perspective change. Think in the opposite perspective, taste it. If you like it, have some more, if you don't, spit it out. But at least try.

I would try to respond to this post without loosing my head though I don't think I am going to be able to. The kind of dilluted, ridiculous opinions you have are based not on fact, but on the paranoid, rediculously non-conformist view you have on society and the US. You could only have these opinions if: 1. You're a gullible, angry individual who has been fascinated with the ridiculous babbling of someone else who espouses these ideas. 2. You grew up in a country with an educational system the spews anit-american propaganda. or 3. Your life sucks and you are unhappy and decided to pick the US as the source of your problems.

An un-biased, informed examination and analysis of the United States and its system shows that while the US is not perfect, it is the best current system and is responsible for most of the democracy and freedom in the world today and the relative peace around the world. The idea that the US is a large human rights abuser is BULL SH*T. I don't like to lose my head but it is hard not to in the face of such stupidity. I doubt you have ever lived in the US or in one of the truely oppresive countries because of your juvenille, naive opinions. If you in fact do, you must live completely in a world with in your own head and must be completely willing to beleive the spewings of anyone anti-america.

The US and globalization is resulting in the embetterment of the lives of all people around the world not oppressed by corrupt, tyranical regimes like those present in the Islamic Theocracies and the remnants of the failed communist system. To say America is worse then North Korea where 2/3s of the population is malnurished adn starving and worse then Sudan where blacks are literally enslaved by the ruling minority and treated like cattle is the most juvenille, dilluted and irrational thing I have ever heard.

I have, unfortunately let my temper get the better of me and I hope I have not ranted, but If you honestly believe these opinions you have espoused then would liek to hear the rationals behind this, if they exist. I look forward to trying to see "the other side."

I end by once again letting my temper get the better of me and by telling you what an idiot you are. If you are any one else disagrees with me and would like to have a rational, intelligent debate on the subject send me a message and I will look forward to replying and continuing this discusion and hopefully disallusion you of your trite ideas.

:rolleyes: Propaganda deluxe.

I think a major contribution to the US being close after NK, is Guantanamo Bay. Another might be the Death Penalty and it's unfair application in a corrupt, racist, elitist and faulty justice system. Yet another contribution is Abu Ghraib (and the convenient destruction of evidence to prevent prosecution of Lyndie England btw).

Another is the convenience of opening new markets for US goods with each and every war (over 100 since 1945, most of them illegal and i.e. destroying democracies).

If you truly believe the US are the glorious beacon of freedom and democracy as you are/were taught in school, then you need to go out into the world and further educate yourself about the effects of American imperialism in the world. While you're at it, maybe you'll figure out that there are many cultures in the world of which none is better than another. And American ultra-capitalist "culture" is not what the entire world wants or needs.

Ein Deutscher']:rolleyes: Propaganda deluxe.

I think a major contribution to the US being close after NK, is Guantanamo Bay. Another might be the Death Penalty and it's unfair application in a corrupt, racist, elitist and faulty justice system. Yet another contribution is Abu Ghraib (and the convenient destruction of evidence to prevent prosecution of Lyndie England btw).

Another is the convenience of opening new markets for US goods with each and every war (over 100 since 1945, most of them illegal and i.e. destroying democracies).

If you truly believe the US are the glorious beacon of freedom and democracy as you are/were taught in school, then you need to go out into the world and further educate yourself about the effects of American imperialism in the world. While you're at it, maybe you'll figure out that there are many cultures in the world of which none is better than another. And American ultra-capitalist "culture" is not what the entire world wants or needs.

Who told you that? Pravda?

wow, your talking CNN language, and so fluentely too, I'm impressed. I never knew anybody could be so easily brainwashed and conditioned. This is to everybody here really who thinks the US is not the biggest abuser of human rights. The only difference is that other countries advertise their abuses more, they don't hide it so much and if they do, it is easy to reveal it. The US masks its abuse with ignorance, propaganda and by reducing the populace to apathy or savageness.

The expected reaction from all of you is just denial. You'll bring statistics and references to news media and articles. They're all lies.
It is harder to believe that everything you've been raised to believe apt and true is completely false and flogged with lies upon lies and topped with hypocracy and evil.

Whenever you want to talk about something, don't think you know it all just because you watch CNN or BBS or even Al-Jazeera. Because you will never understand. The system is fabricated so to leave the people confused and hopefully for "them" the people will give up and be reduced to apathy. Otherwise, they can infuse them with false pride and redeem them as saviors of their empire and make them complete savages.

Either way, the corrupt system is benefitting, you are the pawns on the chess board, and until now, everything seems to be working just fine for "them." But wait, some people are beggining to open their eyes and see. There are protests and resistance seems not too far away.

The reality is, America is preparing for civil war. It is expecting it in the next 20-30 years. The police and military are integrating and combining. Mental conditioning is intensifying. I don't know guys, but you've got to ask yourselves some questions. I always thought to myself, maybe Bush is right, maybe the war in Iraq is good, maybe the US is not a bad place at all, maybe the real bad guys are all those foreign countries. Now do you share of perspective change. Think in the opposite perspective, taste it. If you like it, have some more, if you don't, spit it out. But at least try.
Have you met Jesussaves? The two of you have alot to talk about.

Nobody has replied to my posts #109 and #110.

bump

Zimbabwe. Mugabe and his government sponsored militias are seizing land rightfully owned by White Farmers, who already do a better job on them than lazy black peasents.

Only six for Turkmenistan?! Look, do a google search on them. Those guys are crazier than a box of bats!

I saw a BBC documentary on North Korea about a year ago. They said that in North Korea, not only political dissidents but also their families are gassed to death in Nazi-style gas chambers. I think that is pure evil.

They got their info from a NK defector who was in the army. At the time he said he was brainwashed into thinking that these people were "traitors" that deserved death.


Not to mention the people placed in concentration camps....why? Because they are starving!! Tons of rice and millions of dollars of aid was sent to North Korea(June 1996), yet people are still starving.....

I have to go with Sudan.

I think the only reason so many people are voting for North Korea is that it's been in the news so much while Sudan has gotten disturbingly little press coverage.

The US probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, even if among first world nations it has hands down the worst human rights record. I agree that the US actions in Iraq are unjustified and disturbing, but they don't violate human rights.

The US's real human rights violations, such as the imprisonments at Guantanamo just don't come close to measuring up to what's going on in Sudan.

On the other hand, I agree that the US's net effect on the world is worse than Sudan's, but that's another issue. :D

North Korea. You can be sent to a prison camp there just for singing a foreign song.

As for anyone who seriously believes the U.S. is #1, let me ask you this. How the fuck are you managing to post this? If the U.S. was comparatable to any of the other nations, you would not be able to access this site, not to mention post such veiws, without having the Stazi arrest you.

I would Believe it would be Hati or liberia one of those two. Hati because voodoo crap they got going for them and human sacrifaces. And Liberia becouse that is just one big civil war. :)

I can't believe that that many people voted for the USA. We seem to be the most hated country in the world.

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Sudan.

Oh you know what? I thought it said the biggest abuser of human rights. That's why I put China. I guess it was the biggest per-capita abuser instead. Hmm...

Not sure how to quantify. I'm sure there are so many human rights abuses that I don't and will never know about.