NationStates Jolt Archive

I admit it, I do this. Those of you who know me, know I do this. It's a vice of mine. I enter a debate (or start one), and am very reasonable, and open to differing opinons, but then I POUNCE! That's right! You let your guard down, and made some racist, or sexist or just plain unfounded remark, and now I am on you like fibre on wild rice! I swear, I don't mean to...it never starts out that way...but I end up being a lioness in the grass, tail swishing, saying, "Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."

That doesn't mean I hurl insults, or get mean...I just have been waiting for exactly the comment you just made, and I'm ready for it...before you know it, I've knocked you over and am standing over your with my large teeth, demanding PROOF! Am I bad?

Are YOU bad too?

I admit it, I do this. Those of you who know me, know I do this. It's a vice of mine. I enter a debate (or start one), and am very reasonable, and open to differing opinons, but then I POUNCE! That's right! You let your guard down, and made some racist, or sexist or just plain unfounded remark, and now I am on you like fibre on wild rice! I swear, I don't mean to...it never starts out that way...but I end up being a lioness in the grass, tail swishing, saying, "Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."

That doesn't mean I hurl insults, or get mean...I just have been waiting for exactly the comment you just made, and I'm ready for it...before you know it, I've knocked you over and am standing over your with my large teeth, demanding PROOF! Am I bad?

Are YOU bad too?

wow.....hmmm....well......*calls zoo*

"we got a lion over here"

"No shit?"

"no shit, she says she's gonna pounce on me"

"damn, that sucks"

"sure does, should i insult it?"

"No, she'll punce on you sooner."

"Should i touch her fur?"

"nope, same outcome."

"damn"

No, generally I post my paragraph of ignorance and leave it at that. I don't have the stamina to keep a debate going here so there's no chance of setting a tactical ambush.

"Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."

Ohhhhh, is that real fur?....

*Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!*

Are YOU bad too?

*whistles innocently*

No, generally I post my paragraph of ignorance and leave it at that. I don't have the stamina to keep a debate going here so there's no chance of setting a tactical ambush. It's not so much tactical as it is...oh hell, I guess it is sort of tactical...I HOPE the 'enemy' (I don't really consider anyone my enemy, just using battle terms here) will make a mistake. It helps in real life being a 5 foot, fairly young woman who dresses like a teacher (that used to drive my fellow radicals NUTS! They've learned to live with it)...people underestimate me and LOVE to patronisingly inform me about issues. I say, they have it coming...

*whistles innocently*
*big smooch*
Thanks for (sort of) joining the club! Yay!

*big smooch*

No tongues, now.

i tend to enjoy watching someone walk right into a giant gaping hole in their argument. and while i don't normally dig it for them, i do have a nasty habit of putting sharpened sticks down there.

I think everyone who likes to debate likes to ambush. Problem is, the ones we usually ambush are often the ones that perform very poorly in debates anyway. I think its much better to take down one of the good debators who simply disagree with me - except they're usually the reasonable ones who don't resort to flaming or racist/sexist/other ist comments. So they're almost impossible to ambush.

That and I don't have enough time to set a trap for the wily ones.

*big smooch*
Thanks for (sort of) joining the club! Yay!

Oh, and Bodies without Organs ambushes people on a regular basis.

Oh. I've got the ghillie suit and punji pit skills. Of course that doesn't really matter when I'm yelling "You're wrong and stupid" from under my ghillie suit behind my punji pit.

i tend to enjoy watching someone walk right into a giant gaping hole in their argument. and while i don't normally dig it for them, i do have a nasty habit of putting sharpened sticks down there.
Yup...that's kind of how I deal with the issue...they don't HAVE to fall through that trap, er, hole.

I just give them a big :fluffle: and then they usually piss off... or :fluffle: back.

I think everyone who likes to debate likes to ambush. Problem is, the ones we usually ambush are often the ones that perform very poorly in debates anyway. I think its much better to take down one of the good debators who simply disagree with me - except they're usually the reasonable ones who don't resort to flaming or racist/sexist/other ist comments. So they're almost impossible to ambush.

That and I don't have enough time to set a trap for the wily ones.
True...it's usually the ones who will fall eventually on their own I go after...I just help them along.

And it's the ones I mentioned...the ones who want to "educate" me about an issue that drive me nuts and get the worst of my claws...I demand proof, and they get mad and think I'm being bitchy. Most people don't expect me to have any idea of what they're talking about. I'm not blonde...but maybe being short has something to do with this...

This usually happens in bars or at work by the way...and it is usually men who perpetrate this 'education of Sinuhue'. I'm not sure why most women don't try to impress people with their politics...I HAVE met some who do, but on the whole, it seems to be a gendered thing...it would be an interesting study, that would involve much more bar time...I wonder if I could do a Masters in it...:)

Yup...that's kind of how I deal with the issue...they don't HAVE to fall through that trap, er, hole.

I find that sheer tenacity is often a useful tactic: if you give people enough rope they will eventually hang themselves. Sticking with the hole/pit metaphor - some people should learn that when they find themselves standing in a small hole they should stop digging their own grave with the bridge of their nose.

I find that sheer tenacity is often a useful tactic: if you give people enough rope they will eventually hang themselves. Sticking with the hole/pit metaphor - some people should learn that when they find themselves standing in a small hole they should stop digging their own grave with the bridge of their nose.
Well these are the ones who refuse to admit they might not be right...or might not know enough to make a good decision. AT LEAST ADMIT IT WHEN YOU'RE LICKED! (As my lioness tongue can strip the flesh from your bones...)

I'm not much of a researcher, so I usually debate the text(s) given and really more or less go after weak arguments, sometimes even on my side (though I'm more gentile to them). The weaker argument people tend to be the most tenatious, and I won't let it go but don't always stay in the lines so I end up making it worse and we go through pages-I become the guy yelling at a mule, makes us both look crazy.

I really have a bit of tenacity if I see what someone is doing and it seems disengenious, feeling that I need to call the person on it.

Often if someone is working off something thats just wrong and I (not being a researcher) know it, thats pretty irratating.

Overall I don't think I have much of an impact in debates. I don't post articles, commentary or no, and I don't get responded to all that often.

I kind of dream of a rhetorically moderated forum, where the quality of the argument is measured, not so much the content. I don't know that I'd fair all that well, but I would get better.

True...it's usually the ones who will fall eventually on their own I go after...I just help them along.

And it's the ones I mentioned...the ones who want to "educate" me about an issue that drive me nuts and get the worst of my claws...I demand proof, and they get mad and think I'm being bitchy. Most people don't expect me to have any idea of what they're talking about. I'm not blonde...but maybe being short has something to do with this...

This usually happens in bars or at work by the way...and it is usually men who perpetrate this 'education of Sinuhue'. I'm not sure why most women don't try to impress people with their politics...I HAVE met some who do, but on the whole, it seems to be a gendered thing...it would be an interesting study, that would involve much more bar time...I wonder if I could do a Masters in it...:)I think there have been studies indicating that women are less aggressive, which I think has a lot to do with the whole debating thing.

I find that, when I go to conferences or meet academics, I end up pretty much always debating with the men. (And NO, not because I'm trying to come on to them! :p) It's just that they seem to have a more competitive, aggressive debating style than most of the other women I know, and that's a style I really enjoy!

Hmm...well...they usually do the digging for me, but i drop in a tiger and put some leaves over it. They walk into it. I don;t have to do much coaxing. Just cath them in an inconsistancy. That usually does it

I'm not much of a researcher, so I usually debate the text(s) given and really more or less go after weak arguments, sometimes even on my side (though I'm more gentile to them). The weaker argument people tend to be the most tenatious, and I won't let it go but don't always stay in the lines so I end up making it worse and we go through pages-I become the guy yelling at a mule, makes us both look crazy.

I really have a bit of tenacity if I see what someone is doing and it seems disengenious, feeling that I need to call the person on it.

Often if someone is working off something thats just wrong and I (not being a researcher) know it, thats pretty irratating.

Overall I don't think I have much of an impact in debates. I don't post articles, commentary or no, and I don't get responded to all that often.

I kind of dream of a rhetorically moderated forum, where the quality of the argument is measured, not so much the content. I don't know that I'd fair all that well, but I would get better.We could start up a few metaphysics threads (what I like about debates in metaphysics is that I don't have to memorize facts or present data!)... a couple ideas: Do we have free will? If not, how can we hold ourselves and others accountable? OR: If you have a ship, and over the years you replace bits and pieces of it until finally every part has been replaced, is it the same ship? If not, at what point does it become a different ship?

Oh, I have lots of fun topics! :D

I discuss with a stapler gun at hand. That way, if someone makes a really blunt mistake, i nail him to the spot. And if he tries to weasel out i hammer in some more. That normally results in a) more weaseling till it gets embarrassing for the victim or b) him fading totally, which is commonly perceived as "I dont know how to argue that so i flee the scene".

We could start up a few metaphysics threads (what I like about debates in metaphysics is that I don't have to memorize facts or present data!)... a couple ideas: Do we have free will? If not, how can we hold ourselves and others accountable?

You're tempting me, there. :D I'm taking a course called Free Will & Determinism this semester, ironically enough.

You're tempting me, there. :D I'm taking a course called Free Will & Determinism this semester, ironically enough.Haha! My evil plan is working!

(But of course it is, because, based on your past and environment and my past and environment, we have become people such that I had to post my post, and you had to respond. Or something. ;))

Haha! My evil plan is working!

(But of course it is, because, based on your past and environment and my past and environment, we have become people such that I had to post my post, and you had to respond. Or something. ;))

Exactly. Damned determinism.

Although I'm still an advocate of free will, personally. :)

*/hijack*

Ambushing is for cowards who cant REALLY debate ;)

Exactly. Damned determinism.

Although I'm still an advocate of free will, personally. :)

*/hijack*

As long as we still have the possible illusion of free will, then the matter of determinism is a non-issue.

Ambushing is for cowards who cant REALLY debate ;)
Quit trying to ambush me!

I admit it, I do this. Those of you who know me, know I do this. It's a vice of mine. I enter a debate (or start one), and am very reasonable, and open to differing opinons, but then I POUNCE! That's right! You let your guard down, and made some racist, or sexist or just plain unfounded remark, and now I am on you like fibre on wild rice! I swear, I don't mean to...it never starts out that way...but I end up being a lioness in the grass, tail swishing, saying, "Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."

That doesn't mean I hurl insults, or get mean...I just have been waiting for exactly the comment you just made, and I'm ready for it...before you know it, I've knocked you over and am standing over your with my large teeth, demanding PROOF! Am I bad?

Are YOU bad too?

I have not really seen any ambushes by you, perhaps your forum skills are lacking? Perhaps you are not a true forum ninja?

As long as we still have the possible illusion of free will, then the matter of determinism is a non-issue.

Hah, that's pretty much the stance I take, actually.

I have not really seen any ambushes by you, perhaps your forum skills are lacking? Perhaps you are not a true forum ninja?

A true forum ninja strikes unseen leaving only devastation in their wake.

A true forum ninja strikes unseen leaving only devastation in their wake.


What was that goofy site that listed all the forum styles? Like religious guy, jerk, pervert etc etc etc....

."Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."ohhh babe :p

*feels good*
*wipes steam*

b) him fading totally, which is commonly perceived as "I dont know how to argue that so i flee the scene".
This is where I think I get a little frustrated. Often it seems that arguments are worked on a 'last word wins' notion, where even if what somone says in their last post is the same thing or just stupid as all hell, if thier the last one to post then it's taken as dominance. I've gotten up to do other things and come back and seen someone spiking the ball because I didn't repsond in 15 minutes or something like that. Sometimes arguments stop because you can only tell a wall so many things so many times.

Speaking of spiked balls, that irratates me the most-spiking your own ball with eyeroll smilies, "'nuff said," "didn't think so," etc. Pleas to authority and ignorance are also a little frustrating, especially since we can't check credentials on the internet.

ohhh babe :p

*feels good*
*wipes steam*
*gets hand torn off by razor sharp teeth...*

its all quite ineteresting, a bunch of people typing away, trying to change peoples minds. i , dont like to debate. i just like to state my opinions. if others dont agree with them, oh well. ( they usually dont)
however, my vision of sinahue, typing furiously, shaking her head, keeps me entertained. thats why i made her all mad that one time. :)

*gets hand torn off by razor sharp teeth...*
*...after touchin da fur* :D

its all quite ineteresting, a bunch of people typing away, trying to change peoples minds. i , dont like to debate. i just like to state my opinions. if others dont agree with them, oh well. ( they usually dont)
however, my vision of sinahue, typing furiously, shaking her head, keeps me entertained. thats why i made her all mad that one time. :)

That ONE time? Occ, you have me frothing at the mouth constantly! (Well, not really, but I'm sure you'd feel good about it if it were true:))

I DO type furiously though...nice description!

Opinions are great...everyone should have them, but in a debate, backing up your opinion with facts is so much more satisfying...it usually means you've actually thought your beliefs out, and have done some digging to prove them (either to yourself or others) and shows you probably really care about that issue. I have had my opinions changed on a number of occasions, by people who knew more about the subject than I, and were willing to discuss it with me.

But I LOVE debate...it's a sickness, I know. Chatting just bores me.:(

By the way, my husband agreed I was a shrew. I kicked his ass. He liked it:).

;)I admit it, I do this. Those of you who know me, know I do this. It's a vice of mine. I enter a debate (or start one), and am very reasonable, and open to differing opinons, but then I POUNCE! That's right! You let your guard down, and made some racist, or sexist or just plain unfounded remark, and now I am on you like fibre on wild rice! I swear, I don't mean to...it never starts out that way...but I end up being a lioness in the grass, tail swishing, saying, "Come closer, sweet thing, and touch my fur...."

That doesn't mean I hurl insults, or get mean...I just have been waiting for exactly the comment you just made, and I'm ready for it...before you know it, I've knocked you over and am standing over your with my large teeth, demanding PROOF! Am I bad?

Are YOU bad too?

no, no i agree with you. i think that's a reasonable-

RACIST!!! SEXIST!!! ;)

I typically just pounce.

;)

no, no i agree with you. i think that's a reasonable-

RACIST!!! SEXIST!!! ;)
Hahahahahahaaa! Well, I CAN agree with some things that are said by people who hold racist and sexist beliefs...it doesn't mean they are ALL wrong...but hey...

I typically just pounce.
No swishing of the tail? The tail is fun, it really is...

some times i do lol :P im just wating for there stupid remark and then!
:eek: :mp5: :sniper:

By the way, my husband agreed I was a shrew. I kicked his ass. He liked it:).
glad i was able to start some domestic violence (hopefully of the kinky sort) in your household. and no matter what i say to you ever....i really do like you :)

glad i was able to start some domestic violence (hopefully of the kinky sort) in your household. and no matter what i say to you ever....i really do like you :)
I'm getting all teary eyed....I *sniff, sniff* like you too...*shakes herself out out of it and gets her claws out again*...anyway...

.... razor sharp teeth...*will you please use your razor teeth on my derriere?

to use polite, reasoned debate is divine, to ambush proves nothing.