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http://www.atsnn.com/story/120008.html

Apparently its on some British News as well. Anyone got any more info? There's no mention of sources yet, but rumoured to be an aircraft. Has Bush started?

Nowt on BBC yet...or CNN it seems...

http://www.atsnn.com/story/120008.html

Apparently its on some British News as well. Anyone got any more info? There's no mention of sources yet, but rumoured to be an aircraft. Has Bush started?
Uhhh I dont think there would be a question if we had started. Think it would be a more pronounced attack. Loud explosions, big fireballs on BBC, CNN and crap

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1171222,00.html

Thanks to IH for the link...


EDIT - The only thing on the BBC is the agreement between Iran and Syria "forming a common front".

OOC: Me thinks a stealth bomber is in the vicinity.... :rolleyes:

*Shakes head* .Another war.....*Sighs*

I don't think that any official government of today would start an attack without the declaration of war before. But what is it? Terrorism? Failured CIA Mission? A dumb iranian aircraft pilot that launched a bomb instead of activating the landing gear? We don't know.. yet!

I think it's more likely to be an Israeli F-15E.

You don't need a stealth bomber over Iran. Their air defense system is essentially worthless. You just need to fly low.

I don't know with America these days....

Might be like an Israel pre-emptive strike....But somehow I doubt that Iran would fire a missile at themselves. :rolleyes:

crashed US drone?

I don't know with America these days....

Might be like an Israel pre-emptive strike....But somehow I doubt that Iran would fire a missile at themselves. :rolleyes:

Maybe it was the Israelis. Mossad? Or perhaps it was the Iranians. Trying to frame the US? Who knows?

Israel has done it before.....

Its weird though how they are afraid of getting a nuclear neighbour...Yet they have one of the biggest unconfirmed nuclear arsenals around...

U.S not being biased lol...:p

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4271011.stm

Well yeah, its on most channels now....

My bet is still with the Americans or Israel

I would agree with Findecano more likely a crashed drone.

If it was the Israelis, they would have had to ask permission to fly over Iraq - permission that would have to have been granted by the Americans.

Indeed whispering legs......Maybe they agreed it already...... :confused:

Who knows....?...Why can't everybody be neutral like the swiss ;)

If it was the Israelis, they would have had to ask permission to fly over Iraq - permission that would have to have been granted by the Americans.

Fair point. Whatever happened, I'd put money on the US being involved somewhere.


I would agree with Findecano more likely a crashed drone.

Could be. But if it was a large explosion as some sources are reporting, a drone crash is unlikely.

Some of the drones are armed. But I would still rate the US had something to do with it! Even if it was some cocked up surveillance mission.

All will unfold soon...

But will U.S.A risk another war maybe without the support of Britain...
Will Israel help out..?
What will other nations do.?
Will syria stick to its promise
Has Iran got Nuclear weapons?

Find out on the next episode of world politics...
:p

Or, like some Iranian news agency speculated: it could be a fuel tank which accidentally dropped from one of their own planes.

Let me guess: they are using Soviet built planes..?

Breaking news report just shown on Al-Arabiya. Iranian Anti-Air defenses around Bushehr have started responding violently to several unidentified aircraft that violated Iranian airspace.

Never read the bit about the fuel tank...that news must have just broken....as did the aircraft it fell from!! :p As was said previously all will unfold soon but I think Bush is arrogant enough to go it alone..no offense to any Americans posting but the guy is a just that crazy.

Breaking news report just shown on Al-Arabiya. Iranian Anti-Air defenses around Bushehr have started responding violently to several unidentified aircraft that violated Iranian airspace.

Yeah right. Another pointless waste of perfectly good ammunition.

Let's show how brave we are, and how impotent our air defense system is.

Yeah right. Another pointless waste of perfectly good ammunition.

Let's show how brave we are, and how impotent our air defense system is.

Obviously someone who doesn't believe in the golden-BB theory. Doesn't matter how expensive your stealth bomber is, its screwed completely with a 20-mm fragmenting shell in the intakes or bomb bay.

Israel has done it before.....
Its weird though how they are afraid of getting a nuclear neighbour...Yet they have one of the biggest unconfirmed nuclear arsenals around...
U.S not being biased lol...:pI think the US is biased. But that is a good thing. After all, the Israelis aren't about to just decide on a whim to send the whole world to a fiery end. The Iranians, or Saddaam, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have had a problem with that. It's all in the attitude of the owners.

<snip>..no offense to any Americans posting but the guy is a just that crazy.
As an american I take offense.....naw, just goofing. Of course he's crazy. He's a redneck from Texas.

Well yeah, its on most channels now....

My bet is still with the Americans or Israel

You would.

Never read the bit about the fuel tank...that news must have just broken....as did the aircraft it fell from!! :p As was said previously all will unfold soon but I think Bush is arrogant enough to go it alone..no offense to any Americans posting but the guy is a just that crazy.


Not quite as crazy as some of your leaders over the years.

Obviously someone who doesn't believe in the golden-BB theory. Doesn't matter how expensive your stealth bomber is, its screwed completely with a 20-mm fragmenting shell in the intakes or bomb bay.

Well you have to be able to hit it.

BTW 20mm don't reach all that high either little buddy.

If the Israelis were involved then there would be a report of the plant being destroyed. If the US were involved there would have been a report of the plant destroyed.

The other posts about a dropped fuel tank or AAA fire sounds about right.

You would.

???????

The story reaches its start... :mp5:

???????

The story reaches its start... :mp5:

????? What don't you understand, quiz-kid? You blamed the US and Israel right away, not realizing that those tards in Iran have pulled crap like this before.

"The story reaches its start" WTF does that mean?

Originally posted by Johnny Wadd
Not quite as crazy as some of your leaders over the years.

Refering to who?

:headbang:
guys from my point of view this world has seen too much wars so let us all hope, that in iran will not be the next war, cos thats not the way human beings should live together.
we already had two ww´s and i don`t whant a third one how about you guys?

Bush wouldn't and couldn't have been able to strike, resources are stretched to thin in iraq, troops are withdrawing from the north. He wouldn't have let israel do it either. My bet is with al-qaeda, or remnants of the taliban. Besides everyone knows that iran's government is controlled by the strikes by al-qaeda, and Iran has agreed to hunt them down.

Ay curumba...another military situation in the mideast involving the US...just what we need. (Not that I was against the war in Iraq, but enough is enough whether the cause is just or not.) Fortunately I don't think we have the military capabilities to do anything other than piss off Iran right now with our air force, barring a draft (God-who-doesn't-exist forbid).

...those tards in Iran have pulled crap like this before...
Too true, but you have to acknowledge the strong possibilty of US involvement given the current diplomatic situation.

"Officials at the Russian Embassy in Tehran told CNN in a phone interview there had been no explosion at the Bushehr nuclear plant."

From the CNN website.....maybe it was all just a dream!!! :)

I think it's very unlikely that the US was involved with this. But all will become clear in a few hours most likely.

My bet is still with the Americans or Israel

What about terrorist intending to start a conflict? That seems actually plausable in this scenerio (unlike oh so many James Bond films, they are good films but implausable)

What about terrorist intending to start a conflict? That seems actually plausable in this scenerio (unlike oh so many James Bond films, they are good films but implausable)
Unlikely considering Bush has been intensifying pressure towards Iran regarding its nuclear plants, including threatening with airstrikes. Besides, why would terrorists want to attack a country that sponsors them? With aircraft they don't have?

If it were terrorists, I think they'd manage to get just the tiniest bit closer to hitting the plant than missing by 60 miles. Suppose the same would go for any scenario which involves the US. Seems to be a screw-up and thats it.

Unlikely considering Bush has been intensifying pressure towards Iran regarding its nuclear plants, including threatening with airstrikes. Besides, why would terrorists want to attack a country that sponsors them? With aircraft they don't have?

1) They may have aircraft, we still dont know enough about who it is. Certianly you wouldnt need super advanced aircraft to pull off this kind of stunt.

2) It may not be a terrorist group that is supported by Iran, for all we know it could be an Anti-Muslim group or some other group that hates Iran for some reason.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards said reports of a missile firing and of a falling fuel tank were both wrong, Reuters reported. A spokesman for the Revolutionary Guards declined to give any further details.

Iran's saying it wasn't an aircraft, then?

Then again, it could be a gass main that blew up. We had that happen here in the US once, LA. Gass leaked, hit a live electrical wire that was being worked on and BOOOOM a city block looks like it was hit by a 1,000 pound bomb. Seriously, if the Iranian air defense command heard of an explotion, knowing that the US has stealth aircraft, they're throwing up fire just in case it is a US strike.

On another note, there are no border build-ups we have heard about, and so sue me for being a tad over-analyzing, by Hanscom Feild (nearby where I live) hasn't flown a military jet into the sky recently.

All in all, I side with a fuel tank dropped from an aging Russian aircraft, or a gass main, hell, even an accident involving TNT transport, over a US or Israeli strike.

1) They may have aircraft, we still dont know enough about who it is. Certianly you wouldnt need super advanced aircraft to pull off this kind of stunt.

2) It may not be a terrorist group that is supported by Iran, for all we know it could be an Anti-Muslim group or some other group that hates Iran for some reason.

A lot of terrorist groups would be interested in hitting Iran and framing the US. After all, Iran is starting to normalize relations, why would the jihadists be happy about that?

BTW, here is the Yahoo article.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_explosion

And I just love how the Russians assured us that no nuclear weapons will be built with the waste products because, as we all know, Russia knows how to keep track of all things nuclear-related. :rolleyes:

If it were terrorists, I think they'd manage to get just the tiniest bit closer to hitting the plant than missing by 60 miles. Suppose the same would go for any scenario which involves the US. Seems to be a screw-up and thats it.
The US is obviously not trying to attack Iran - this is just a warning that we're serious about nuclear proliferation to Iran.

False alarm. Go back to work... all of yous.

A lot of terrorist groups would be interested in hitting Iran and framing the US. After all, Iran is starting to normalize relations, why would the jihadists be happy about that?

Indeed. Maybe the next Bond film should be about someone trying to frame France for attacking Saudi-Arabia (Green Peril style). We've had America-Russia (almost all Bond Films up to the end of the Cold War), Britain-China (Tommorow never dies) and Korea and everyone else (Die another day) so why not France and Saudia Arabia (I think I can answer that myself though. No one takes France seriously)

False alarm. Go back to work... all of yous.
But its my day off...I DON WANNA!!!! lol

But its my day off...I DON WANNA!!!! lol
Do you want me to make an example out of you? Back to work!

????? What don't you understand, quiz-kid? You blamed the US and Israel right away, not realizing that those tards in Iran have pulled crap like this before.

"The story reaches its start" WTF does that mean?

I only speculate...By taking many paths can you find the one you seek..

Do you want me to make an example out of you? Back to work!

Oooooo!!! I can already hear the whips and kettle drum....O-we-O! Row ya bastards!!!! lol

Iran and the Us say there has been no attack on Iran and Russia, Israel, US and Britain have said they had nothing to do with it.
Iran also denies it was a fuel tank falling from a plane. Something is not right.

What was the explosion if it was none of the above, so far nobody has said what it was but only what it was not.
Syria hinted America have the most to gain from this and the recent lebenon crisis but in actual fact Russia gain most on both counts as both incidents increased oil prices.

???

I've got a great idea. Why don't we all speculate and place blame endlessly on the scetchiest of details... nevermind.

The explosing and killing of that ex-PM in Lebanon don't sit right with me, I mean, Syria would have nothing to gain by killing him but instability, and by that I mean Lebanese calling for Syria to pull out.

If they really wanted to kill him without instability, surely a quick and out of sight bullet to the head or poisoning would have done the trick, but a car bomb?

Already Lebanese demonstrators have attacked Syrian workers in Lebanon, blaming Syria for the bombing.

Also, the group who claimed responsibility....no one has ever heard of them!

Put this together with the fire in a mosqe in the Iranian capital of Tehran, and now these explosions....

It would not surprise me if there was a little Covert Ops going on. Cause instability from within.

Refering to who?

Europes' former leaders.

Too true, but you have to acknowledge the strong possibilty of US involvement given the current diplomatic situation.


No, I do not.

Covert ops. good theory but whos covert ops?

Russia's for the increase in oil prices due to instability in the middle east.
USA, im lacking on convincing reasons, maybe to prove that they are needed in the region or that Syria and Iran are causing instability in the region.

Terrorists groups obviously to cause terror.

Any other thoughts or comments.

I only speculate...By taking many paths can you find the one you seek..

"By taking many paths, you look like a kook!"

Iran and Syria are forming a common front, probably an alliance which is stupid for them to do that.

As for the explosion, no one knows what happend, not even the Iranians. Everyone is looking into what caused that explosion. We're just going to have to sit back and see what all the governments are saying.

The explosing and killing of that ex-PM in Lebanon don't sit right with me, I mean, Syria would have nothing to gain by killing him but instability, and by that I mean Lebanese calling for Syria to pull out.

If they really wanted to kill him without instability, surely a quick and out of sight bullet to the head or poisoning would have done the trick, but a car bomb?

Already Lebanese demonstrators have attacked Syrian workers in Lebanon, blaming Syria for the bombing.

Also, the group who claimed responsibility....no one has ever heard of them!

Put this together with the fire in a mosqe in the Iranian capital of Tehran, and now these explosions....

It would not surprise me if there was a little Covert Ops going on. Cause instability from within.


Art Bell called, he wants his show idea back!

What is explosing?

Iran and the Us say there has been no attack on Iran and Russia, Israel, US and Britain have said they had nothing to do with it.
Iran also denies it was a fuel tank falling from a plane. Something is not right.

What was the explosion if it was none of the above, so far nobody has said what it was but only what it was not.


It could be terrorists? Ones not sponsered by Iran.

Bush wouldn't and couldn't have been able to strike, resources are stretched to thin in iraq, troops are withdrawing from the north. He wouldn't have let israel do it either. My bet is with al-qaeda, or remnants of the taliban. Besides everyone knows that iran's government is controlled by the strikes by al-qaeda, and Iran has agreed to hunt them down.

Then I guess you don't understand that:

1) Iran is surrounded
2) Carrier Planes could've done it
3) F-117s Could've done it
4) B-52s could've done it
5) B-1Bs could've done it
6) B-2s could've done it
7) F-16s could've done it
8) F-15s could've done it

"Officials at the Russian Embassy in Tehran told CNN in a phone interview there had been no explosion at the Bushehr nuclear plant."

From the CNN website.....maybe it was all just a dream!!! :)

I hope you don't actually believe them. Its all over the news media so I bet it is accurate

My bets on an alien race just looking for some entertainment and treating Earth as their own interactive soap opera!! :D

If it were terrorists, I think they'd manage to get just the tiniest bit closer to hitting the plant than missing by 60 miles. Suppose the same would go for any scenario which involves the US. Seems to be a screw-up and thats it.

If we missed by 60 miles then I want that pilot grounded. Unlikely that we would miss! I know the Israelis won't miss either.

The US is obviously not trying to attack Iran - this is just a warning that we're serious about nuclear proliferation to Iran.

If it was a missile, it is one heck of a warning shot.

:headbang: The "maybe it was all a dream" and the smiley face should of kinda told you I didn't!

Iran and the Us say there has been no attack on Iran and Russia, Israel, US and Britain have said they had nothing to do with it.
Iran also denies it was a fuel tank falling from a plane. Something is not right.

Agreed! Something happened so what did happen? I smell a rat.

What was the explosion if it was none of the above, so far nobody has said what it was but only what it was not.
Syria hinted America have the most to gain from this and the recent lebenon crisis but in actual fact Russia gain most on both counts as both incidents increased oil prices.

???

No one knows.

It was actually Salman Rushdie who set off the blast. It was a reprisal for all of the death threats made against him.

blowing up rocks for a dam

The explosing and killing of that ex-PM in Lebanon don't sit right with me, I mean, Syria would have nothing to gain by killing him but instability, and by that I mean Lebanese calling for Syria to pull out.

If they really wanted to kill him without instability, surely a quick and out of sight bullet to the head or poisoning would have done the trick, but a car bomb?

A car bomb done by a terrorist group gives Syria deniablity. However, if it was a bullet or poison, then Syria won't have the full deniablity that a car bomb offers them.

Already Lebanese demonstrators have attacked Syrian workers in Lebanon, blaming Syria for the bombing.

Because Syria is really the only suspect in this case. He was a threat to them. By killing him, they got rid of an annoyance plus deniablity though I think it backfired.

Also, the group who claimed responsibility....no one has ever heard of them!

Smart move. Form a group no one has heard about and kill the Ex-PM! Brilliant actually.

Put this together with the fire in a mosqe in the Iranian capital of Tehran, and now these explosions....

There was a fire in a mosque in Tehran? First time I've heard about this. Proof please?

It would not surprise me if there was a little Covert Ops going on. Cause instability from within.

Done by Syria

The Iranian Air Force, according to published sources, no longer has any F-14 aircraft, and their air force has been reduced to rebuilt F-5 trainer aircraft that were bought long ago, as well as a locally produced variant on the F-5.

Not a very sophisticated aircraft. Most of the Iranian anti-aircraft systems are also apparently crude, consisting largely of guns.

Add to this the constant overflight of drone aircraft. They have shot down a handful over the years, but not enough to stop the surveillance. Now that there are rumors of a planned Israeli attack (Israel purchased 50 GPS-guided bunker buster bombs in Sept 2004, with delivery in October 2004) using F-15E Strike Eagles, and possible attacks by US aircraft, there are probably plenty of trigger-happy anti-aircraft crews and lots of Iranian air force patrols.

I am betting it's an "own goal" where they shot down one of their own fighters.

Since it doesn't appear to be a wide ranging multiple site attack (as a real one would be), I don't think it's an attack by Israelis and/or the US.

Since it was an explosion on the ground, I don't think it was a Predator. They are flimsy, and don't explode on impact.

But a fighter aircraft, well, if you take their current paranoia about "shiny objects in the sky" seriously, I would hate to be a fighter pilot there.

What is explosing?

Why, it's a misspell of the world 'exploding', and is usually understood by all who read it to be a accidental misspell of exploding, apart from those nit picking twerps who ask 'what is explosing'.

Of course, the other explanation put forward for the use of the newly invented word by myself of 'explosing' is what 'exploding' would sound like if it was pronounced with a full mouth while eating, or that quite simply, it was exploding, with an 's', to make the word 'exploding' sound raunchier and exotic and sexy by myself in my attempt to ring in newspeak, and to rid the English language of old wordings.

Explosing....mmm....explosing.

You decide.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4265483.stm for that Iran mosque fire.

Why, it's a misspell of the world 'exploding', and is usually understood by all who read it to be a accidental misspell of exploding, apart from those nit picking twerps who ask 'what is explosing'.

Of course, the other explanation put forward for the use of the newly invented word by myself of 'explosing' is what 'exploding' would sound like if it was pronounced with a full mouth while eating, or that quite simply, it was exploding, with an 's', to make the word 'exploding' sound raunchier and exotic and sexy by myself in my attempt to ring in newspeak, and to rid the English language of old wordings.

Explosing....mmm....explosing.

You decide.

You should decide as you are the Quiz-Kid who typed it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4265483.stm for that Iran mosque fire.


Looks like a good start.

Bush wouldn't and couldn't have been able to strike, resources are stretched to thin in iraq, troops are withdrawing from the north. He wouldn't have let israel do it either. My bet is with al-qaeda, or remnants of the taliban. Besides everyone knows that iran's government is controlled by the strikes by al-qaeda, and Iran has agreed to hunt them down.Have you been paying attention? Bush wouldn't and couldn't have invaded Iraq without [fill in the blank]. Etc.

I don't think it's the US, or Israel. Probably an internal incident - Iran doesn't seem very concerned about it at this point.

A few years ago, I would have said it couldn't possibly be the US. Today...well, I can no longer be quite so certain.

A car bomb done by a terrorist group gives Syria deniablity. However, if it was a bullet or poison, then Syria won't have the full deniablity that a car bomb offers them.


True, but if he had just say, 'dissapeared', that may have given them deniability too.



Because Syria is really the only suspect in this case. He was a threat to them. By killing him, they got rid of an annoyance plus deniablity though I think it backfired.


The group who claimed responsibility say he was a Saudi Arabian agent. He was a critic of Syria's military presence, but not the strongest, reportedly supporting some accord that was the cementing of the military presence.
I would say if Syria wanted rid of an annoyance, killing him in such a obvious assassination would lead to a greater one of rebellion by the assassinated Ex-PM's supporters.




Smart move. Form a group no one has heard about and kill the Ex-PM! Brilliant actually.


If it was a real group, they did Syria no favours by killing him in that manner.




There was a fire in a mosque in Tehran? First time I've heard about this. Proof please?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4265483.stm

I'm surprised you did not hear about it, it was a big blaze. There have been various theories put forward for it.


Done by Syria


Syria and Iran have just announced a united front, if the explosions were caused by Syria, it would not do their relations any good.

You should decide as you are the Quiz-Kid who typed it.

Me? No, I merely typed it, you read it, and such intrepetation can only be in the eye of the reader.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4265483.stm for that Iran mosque fire.

Thank you :)

sings
, one more towards the war we go,
one more step towards doomsday we go,

True, but if he had just say, 'dissapeared', that may have given them deniability too.

True it would but then, they would get accused of kidnapping. Syria is in a very tight box right now because of this.


The group who claimed responsibility say he was a Saudi Arabian agent. He was a critic of Syria's military presence, but not the strongest, reportedly supporting some accord that was the cementing of the military presence.

A critic of Syria's military presence that has been there since 1979. He actually was a strong voice against the military occupation.

I would say if Syria wanted rid of an annoyance, killing him in such a obvious assassination would lead to a greater one of rebellion by the assassinated Ex-PM's supporters.

We call it an assassination but was it really? I think it is in reality but it could've been a case of wrong place wrong time but I don't believe it.


If it was a real group, they did Syria no favours by killing him in that manner.



You'll get no arguement out of me :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4265483.stm

I'm surprised you did not hear about it, it was a big blaze. There have been various theories put forward for it.


Sorry! Been in classes all day!

Syria and Iran have just announced a united front, if the explosions were caused by Syria, it would not do their relations any good.

No one says that the Syrians were smart people.

Iran and Syria are forming a common front, probably an alliance which is stupid for them to do that.



Not really, they are both being pointed at being enemies of the US, it's only natural they form an alliance.

They either get picked off one at a time, or they both get taken on at the same time.

Mutal attempt at survival in a bloc.

True it would but then, they would get accused of kidnapping. Syria is in a very tight box right now because of this.


Then perhaps it would have been better for Syria to let him live, as someone to ignore.





A critic of Syria's military presence that has been there since 1979. He actually was a strong voice against the military occupation.


Yes he was, but in recent times.



We call it an assassination but was it really? I think it is in reality but it could've been a case of wrong place wrong time but I don't believe it.


If it was wrong place, wrong time, the poor Ex-PM had a rather bad case of it.




You'll get no arguement out of me :)


Same here.




Sorry! Been in classes all day!


Don't worry about it.



No one says that the Syrians were smart people.

Never underestimate people.

The Iranian Air Force, according to published sources, no longer has any F-14 aircraft, and their air force has been reduced to rebuilt F-5 trainer aircraft that were bought long ago, as well as a locally produced variant on the F-5.

Not a very sophisticated aircraft. Most of the Iranian anti-aircraft systems are also apparently crude, consisting largely of guns.

Add to this the constant overflight of drone aircraft. They have shot down a handful over the years, but not enough to stop the surveillance. Now that there are rumors of a planned Israeli attack (Israel purchased 50 GPS-guided bunker buster bombs in Sept 2004, with delivery in October 2004) using F-15E Strike Eagles, and possible attacks by US aircraft, there are probably plenty of trigger-happy anti-aircraft crews and lots of Iranian air force patrols.

I am betting it's an "own goal" where they shot down one of their own fighters.

Since it doesn't appear to be a wide ranging multiple site attack (as a real one would be), I don't think it's an attack by Israelis and/or the US.

Since it was an explosion on the ground, I don't think it was a Predator. They are flimsy, and don't explode on impact.

But a fighter aircraft, well, if you take their current paranoia about "shiny objects in the sky" seriously, I would hate to be a fighter pilot there.


I think we have a winner. That would also explain the Revolutionary Guard's reaction (oops, embarassment, can't let on). And incidents of "friendly fire" can and occur even with sophisticated air defenses - lest we forget the F/A-18 and Tornado that were brought down by Patriots in 2003 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0919-05.htm

Some good analysis of the potential air strikes:
http://globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-strikes.htm

sings
, one more towards the war we go,
one more step towards doomsday we go,

We will all go together when we go,
Every Hottentot and every Eskimo
When the air becomes uranious,
We will all go simultaneous
We will all go together when we go!

sings
, one more towards the war we go,
one more step towards doomsday we go,

We will all go together when we go,
Every Hottentot and every Eskimo
When the air becomes uranious,
We will all go simultaneous
We will all go together when we go!


Both wrong! Trying to stay serene and calm (http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/whosnext.htm) Iran and the DPRK are close enough to being Luxembourg, Monaco, and Alabama...

(At least Legs got the right singer... ;))

Just another farce to drive up oil prices for all them towell heads. ;)

Just another farce to drive up oil prices for all them towell heads. ;)

Last I checked, they didn't wear towels on their heads.

Just another farce to drive up oil prices for all them towell heads. ;)

The proper insult is Ragheads ;)

Then perhaps it would have been better for Syria to let him live, as someone to ignore.


Your right! It would've been better but they didn't! That is assuming ofcourse that they were really behind it which appears to be the case.



Yes he was, but in recent times.


He was still undermining Syrian Military Rule. The Syrians considered this a threat and removed it by a car bomb. Rather ingenious actually.

If it was wrong place, wrong time, the poor Ex-PM had a rather bad case of it.


It happens. I'm not believing this is the case but meh, I always like to toss out things like this. It could've happened but I'm not believing that this is the case.


Same here.


:)


Don't worry about it.


:) I should go to my last class now :)

Never underestimate people.

9/11 taught us that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6978331/

Possibly Iran shot down one of these, and it "landed"?

(sorry if someone's already made this point)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6978331/

Possibly Iran shot down one of these, and it "landed"?

(sorry if someone's already made this point)

Drones don't result in large explosions when they crash. Especially a Predator.

I posted earlier that in this nervous environment (where we are flying Predator over their heads constantly, and they have shot a few down in the past few years), that their anti-aircraft gunners have probably shot down their own air force plane.

The Iranians at this time have only variants of the F-5 - either 30 years old and largely rebuilt, or newly constructed from trying to copy the F-5 aircraft that they did own.

They have no other effective combat aircraft.

Now, try flying patrols near the nuclear reactor areas, where they also have plenty of anti-aircraft guns and nervous nellies on the trigger.

The last words an Iranian pilot would want to hear would be,

"Cleared for takeoff"

Drones don't result in large explosions when they crash. Especially a Predator.

That would depend on what it hit, wouldn't it? Hit the ground = one kind of mess. Hit an ammo dump - entirely different kind of mess. And all the variables in between.

And, of course, it may (if shot down) have been shot down by anti-aircraft fire (surface to air missle) rather than an Iranian warplane.

That would depend on what it hit, wouldn't it? Hit the ground = one kind of mess. Hit an ammo dump - entirely different kind of mess. And all the variables in between.

And, of course, it may (if shot down) have been shot down by anti-aircraft fire (surface to air missle) rather than an Iranian warplane.

A Predator just doesn't have enough speed (120 knots) to blow up an ammo dump, even if it crashed at full speed into the bunker doors.

It probably wouldn't get in at all. It weighs a fraction of what a Morris Mini does.

It doesn't carry enough fuel to make an explosion. Fully fueled, it's 110 liters (figure the tank is half full at mid-mission).

If it's hit by something bigger than a ground-fired anti-aircraft shell (23 to 57mm), such as a surface-to-air missile, there isn't enough left of the Predator to fall to the ground with any speed.

I think it's far more likely (despite their current story about dam blasting), that they shot down one of their own fighters.

Apparently, they have had several friendly fire incidents in the past few days. Maybe one of the pilots finally got unlucky.

A Predator just doesn't have enough speed (120 knots) to blow up an ammo dump, even if it crashed at full speed into the bunker doors.

It probably wouldn't get in at all. It weighs a fraction of what a Morris Mini does.

It doesn't carry enough fuel to make an explosion. Fully fueled, it's 110 liters (figure the tank is half full at mid-mission).

If it's hit by something bigger than a ground-fired anti-aircraft shell (23 to 57mm), such as a surface-to-air missile, there isn't enough left of the Predator to fall to the ground with any speed.

I think it's far more likely (despite their current story about dam blasting), that they shot down one of their own fighters.

Apparently, they have had several friendly fire incidents in the past few days. Maybe one of the pilots finally got unlucky.Have it your way. I've always been taught that any spark of any kind can set off most of the stuff kept in an ammo dump. That's why we weren't allowed to smoke when we were guarding them. But it appears you know better.

I thought I told yous all to get back to your posts! Get back to work! Nothing happened.

Construction accident if what Iran is saying is accurate this time.

I think the US is biased. But that is a good thing. After all, the Israelis aren't about to just decide on a whim to send the whole world to a fiery end.
They don't have to. The US is handeling that.

And you wouldn't trust Iran why?! Get back under the deck shoveling coal. The war machine needs more steam.

And you wouldn't trust Iran why?! Get back under the deck shoveling coal. The war machine needs more steam.

Because they have gone back and forth on the story.

As have you. And I do mean you personally. Now go back to work.

Your right! It would've been better but they didn't! That is assuming ofcourse that they were really behind it which appears to be the case.


I'm still unsure it is Syria.







He was still undermining Syrian Military Rule. The Syrians considered this a threat and removed it by a car bomb. Rather ingenious actually.


Not really ingenious. If anything, his death has undermined Syrian's influence, and the threat comes from the feelings felt after his death.

It's not really ingenious to kill him in such a way....did you see the size of the crater?




It happens. I'm not believing this is the case but meh, I always like to toss out things like this. It could've happened but I'm not believing that this is the case.


I think we should be open to all possibilities, including one that it was not Syria.



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9/11 taught us that.


Totally.