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Hello,

This Thread is originally for Roman Catholics who just want to talk among those of their same faith, and debate on things within the Church...

However if you are another religion feel free to discuss with us...you'll see that like anything else the Roman Catholic Church is not the power fascist organization everyone thinks it is...

Anyway...point of this thread is to have constructive and healthy debate and conversation... Have fun and God Bless...

Alright, now that the pleasantries are out of the way, we can discuss our plans of creating a fascist paradise! :sniper:

howdy, I too an a Roman Catholic and I like to consider myself a devout one

this may seem like a ludacris topic but recently I've been asking myself if the Vatican would have any place excercising its military power

I know that sounds crazy but there have been certian situation (many involving the genocide of Christians) that the Vatican probobly could have stopped

most military experts believe that the genocide in rwanda for instance could have been stopped by a force of 1,000 westerners

if the Vatican knew it could save lives would it have a place excercising military power? and what future implications would this have?

also, do you think the Vatican should move to become a voting member of the UN?

howdy, I too an a Roman Catholic and I like to consider myself a devout one

this may seem like a ludacris topic but recently I've been asking myself if the Vatican would have any place excercising its military power

I know that sounds crazy but there have been certian situation (many involving the genocide of Christians) that the Vatican probobly could have stopped

most military experts believe that the genocide in rwanda for instance could have been stopped by a force of 1,000 westerners

if the Vatican knew it could save lives would it have a place excercising military power? and what future implications would this have?

also, do you think the Vatican should move to become a voting member of the UN?

The idea has been tossed around for a while...

But allowing the Vatican alot of power is a double edged sword...

1.) it would protect christianity and it would be a very effective peacekeeping force...

However...

2.) We could have a repeat of the "Inquisitions."

Well, the Pope used to be the master of the Papal States, and they were rather successful from what I know. I am a supporter of the "just war" theory of force, and I believe that military force can be justified under the right conditions. I don't know if it would be very seemly for the Vatican to directly exercise military force in this day and age, but calling for its use at times would be justified in my mind.

Edit: The Inquisitions didn't really deal with military force. Actually, they are rather misunderstood in general, and I'd love to explain more about them (though they certainly aren't completely defensible) but it's getting late. :(

Well, the Pope used to be the master of the Papal States, and they were rather successful from what I know. I am a supporter of the "just war" theory of force, and I believe that military force can be justified under the right conditions. I don't know if it would be very seemly for the Vatican to directly exercise military force in this day and age, but calling for its use at times would be justified in my mind.

well, you know along with the swiss guard which would be significant in many third world dictatorships (I know that sounds crazy, but when you think about it you know its true) the Pope also has legal controle over several sections of the Spanish army

Well, the Pope used to be the master of the Papal States, and they were rather successful from what I know. I am a supporter of the "just war" theory of force, and I believe that military force can be justified under the right conditions. I don't know if it would be very seemly for the Vatican to directly exercise military force in this day and age, but calling for its use at times would be justified in my mind.

Edit: The Inquisitions didn't really deal with military force. Actually, they are rather misunderstood in general, and I'd love to explain more about them (though they certainly aren't completely defensible) but it's getting late. :(

What I mean is the repeat of using the Vatican and the Church as means for military force...

I am a Roman Catholic.
Question: Does your preist read from the bible in Latin or your native language?

What I mean is the repeat of using the Vatican and the Church as means for military force...

I think that had more to do with countries using the Church to justify internal political affairs than it did the use of military force

a good counter argument would be that a single military intervantion will lead to more and eventually snowball into a huge ineffective beurocracy like the UN peacekeepers or some semblence of a crusade

but I trust JP

I am a Roman Catholic.
Question: Does your preist read from the bible in Latin or your native language?

native language

but there are Latin masses in the city that you can attend if you are so inclined

native language

but there are Latin masses in the city that you can attend if you are so inclined

Okay, my preist reads from the bible in latin and most people seem to like the 'Traditional' Roman Catholic way. Strange really.
The church is officially a modern Roman Catholic church but it is a joint mass of all kinds of Catholics because there is only one Catholic church in all the country. Mass can be really weird sometimes.

Hey guys. Cool thread. What are your opinions on the innerrancy of scripture? I was planning to help a friend (non-denominational) help argue for it, but then I was presented with a series of seeming contradictions in scripture. What do you think?

God dwells in light 1 Timothy 6:16
God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is unforgivable Mark 3:29, Matthew 12:31-32
Believers are justified in all things. Acts 13:39
John the Baptist is Elias Matthew 11:14
John the Baptist isn't Elias John 1:21
A brother will marry his brother's widow Deuteronomy 25:5
Such a thing is unclean Leviticus 20:21
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 & Revelations 13:10
For wrath killeth the foolish man... Job 5:2
... let not the sun go down on your wrath. Ephesians 4:26
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13
...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2:11
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. John 5:31
I am one that bear witness of myself... John 8:18 [Jesus Christ was the speaker in both of these quotes]
A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children... Proverbs 13:22
Sell that ye have... Luke 12:33, Matthew 19:21
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2

And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the Lord. Leviticus 1:9
Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. Jeremiah 6:20

On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. Leviticus 23:27
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offering or sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:22

God is not the author of confusion. I Corinthians 14:33
Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good? Lamentations 3:38

With God all things are possible. Matthew 19:26
And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

...for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. Jeremiah 3:12
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Jeremiah 17:4

...the earth abideth forever. Ecclesiastes 1:4
...the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. Numbers 30:2
But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by earth. Matthew 5:34-35

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. 2 Kings 8:26
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. 2 Chronicles 22:2

For all have sinned. Romans 3:23
There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. Job 1:1

Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire. Matthew 5:22
[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. Proverbs 3:13
For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Ecclesiastes 1:18

Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches shall be in his house... Psalms 112:1-3
& In the house of the righteous is much treasure... Proverbs 15:6
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24
& Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth... Matthew 6:19
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. Ezekiel 18:20
...I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. Exodus 20:5, Numbers 14:18
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation Deuteronomy 23:2

... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and come forth... John 5:28-29
& And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. Matthew 27:52
As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. Job 7:9
God is seen Exodus 24:9-11, 33:11 (face-to-face) 23 "hinderparts " Genesis 32:24-30 (both seen and physically touched) ; John 14:7; Numbers 14:10, 16:19, 42; Deuteronomy 5:4 (face to face)
God is unseeable John 1:18 (has never been seen), 5:37 (can't be seen/never seen); Exodus 33:20 (death for seeing His face); 1 Timothy 6:16
God is heard Exodus 33:11 (direct physical conversation); Genesis 3:9-10, 22:1-2, 11-12, 15-18; Acts 9:7; Numbers 12:5-8, 14:10-11, 16:20, 23-24, 44-45; 1 Kings 19:12-18
God is not heard John 5:37 (never heard)
And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good. Genesis 1:31
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart Genesis 6:6
God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. James 1:13
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham. Genesis 22:1
God rested Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:11 & 31:17, Hebrews 4:4
God never rests Isaiah 40:28
Murderers will be killed Exodus 21:12 & 23
Cain was protected by God for the murder of Able Genesis 4:15
Do not murder/kill Exodus 20:13, 23:7; Leviticus 19:18, 24:17, Matthew 19:18
& If ye love me, keep my commandments John 14:15
Believers are justified in all things. Acts 13:39
David orders a cold-blooded murder II Samuel 1:15
David sings of slaughtering children Psalms 137:9
Moses orders killing Numbers 31:17-18 (wanton slaughter), Exodus 32:26-27 (3,000 die)
Elijah -- most holy of the prophets -- kills 2 Kings 1:10-12 (102 men), 2:23-24 (causes 42 children to die); 1 Kings 18:22 & 40 (kills 450)
God kills or orders it done Ezekiel 14:9; Acts 5:5 & 10; Genesis 19:24-25, 22:2; Exodus 21:14, 15, 16, 17, 23, 29, 22:18, 19, 20, 24, 23:27, 32:27; Leviticus 20:2, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 27, 21:9, 24:14-16 & 23, 21, 26:17, 22, 29; Deuteronomy 13:5, 9-10, 21:18-21, 22:21; Numbers 16:31-33, 35, 21:6, 31:1 , Matthew 15:4
Those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17, Luke 11:9-10
Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but shall not find me. Proverbs 1:28
Keep the Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8, Leviticus 19:3 & 30
Keep it holy only if you want to Romans 14:5
...envy slayeth the silly one Job 5:2
I am a jealous God Exodus 20:5
"jealousy" is defined as being envious.
Shaving of beards is not allowed Judges 8:5, Leviticus 19:28
Long hair is shameful I Corinthians 6:14
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. Matthew 5:16
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them. Matthew 6:1
Worry not, God will take care of you. Matthew 6:26 & 28 & 30-34
You better take care of yourself. I Timothy 5:8
When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians. Exodus 3:21,22
Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him. Leviticus 19:13
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekial 14:9
And God said, Let us make man in our image. Genesis 1:26
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart Genesis 6:6
For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works. Ephesians 2:8-9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24
Solomon prays standing up I Kings 7:22
Do not pray standing up Matthew 6:5

Jesus dies at the 6th hour John 19:14-30, Luke 23:44-46
Jesus dies at the 9th hour Matthew 27:46-50, Mark 15:25-37

God sees everything Proverbs 15:3, Job 34:21-22
God does not see everything Genesis 18:20,21
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water. Leviticus 26:1, Exodus 20:4, Deuteronomy 5:8
And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them. Exodus 25:18
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole... Numbers 21:8
God is all powerful Jeremiah 32:27, Matthew 19:26
God is not omnipotent Judges 1:19
John was in prison when Jesus came to Galilee Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus came to Galilee John 3:22-24
David's throne was forever Psalms 89:34-37
David's throne was not forever Psalms 89:44
Israel had 800,000 fighting men & Judah 500,000 2 Samuel 24:9
Israel had 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000 1 Chronicles 21:5
The Lord made David number the people 2 Samuel 24:1
Satan made David number the people 1 Chronicles 21:1
David took seven hundred horsemen 2 Samuel 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen 1 Chronicles 18:4
Be angry Ephesians 4:26
Don't be angry Ecclesiastes 7:9
Michal had no children 2 Samuel 6:23
Michal had 5 sons 2 Samuel 21:8
Abraham had 2 sons Galatians 4:22
Abraham had only 1 son. Hebrews 11:17
Abraham had at least 7 children Genesis 22:2 & Genesis 25:2, 6
Incest is quite bad Deuteronomy 27:22, Leviticus 20:17
Abraham commits incest Genesis 20:11,12
Christ = God "I and my father are one." John 10:30
Christ & God are not equal "My father is greater than I." John 14:28
Honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12, Matthew 15:14, 19:19
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
For I come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Matthew 10:35
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
Thou shalt not steal Exodus 20:15; Leviticus 19:11; Deuteronomy 5:19, 24:7; Matthew 19:18
Steal the wealth of besieged cities Genesis 34:27-29, Deuteronomy 20:13-14
God will not allow evil to happen to the just. Proverbs 12:21
God will allow evil to happen to the just. Hebrews 12:6, Job 1:12
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 4:1

Jesus is omnipotent Matthew 28:18
Jesus is less than omnipotent Mark 6:5

They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall. Matthew 27:34
And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh. Mark 15:23
The gospel of John contradicts the gospels of Mark, Luke and Matthew in several respects. For example, in John the last supper happens before Passover. In John, Jesus is in charge when the soliders come to the garden. In John, Jesus dies on the day of the festival af lamb slaughters.

I am a Roman Satanist. And I think that all romans should unite!

Question:When will Rome take over the world again?

Hail the Roman Empire!

Damn that's a long post......

well then, ExCathedra did his research. (excathedra - you have been siged)

I just had a question and to the author of this thread: one or two responses would suit me, everything else you can have DEATed if it gets out of hand.

I want to know why catholics take the position that being homosexual is okay but having anal sex isn't okay.

Forgive my ignorance, but explain 'siged' please.

As for homosexuality vs. anal sex, it's a puzzling issue. It has to do with the church trying to reconcile their position without seeming to condemn persons for aspects of their life which they can't control (though that is debatible). I would reason that things pertain to heterosexuals that are considered sinful, such as having sexual fantasies and masturbation would be considered wrong for all people, regardless of 'orientation'. Anal sex is wrong in itself in that it takes away from the life-giving power of sex. The same reasoning is used to explain how oral sex (for guys) and masturbation are wrong.

The church does not condone homosexuality, but tolerates the condition itself as a burden that the people who have it have to live with. The choice to act on it is what is gravely sinful.

There's the reader's digest condensed version for you. Hope it helped.

Forgive my ignorance, but explain 'siged' please.
I believe s/he means s/he added your post to his/her signature, which appears at the bottom of all his/her posts.

Thanks for the explanation. The whole post? That would be quite the sig...

Thanks for the explanation. The whole post? That would be quite the sig...
No, just a link to your psot.

Hee, if it were the whole post, the mods would edit it to shrink it faster than s/he could blink!
:D

Hey guys. Cool thread. What are your opinions on the innerrancy of scripture? I was planning to help a friend (non-denominational) help argue for it, but then I was presented with a series of seeming contradictions in scripture. What do you think?

God dwells in light 1 Timothy 6:16
God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is unforgivable Mark 3:29, Matthew 12:31-32
Believers are justified in all things. Acts 13:39
John the Baptist is Elias Matthew 11:14
John the Baptist isn't Elias John 1:21
A brother will marry his brother's widow Deuteronomy 25:5
Such a thing is unclean Leviticus 20:21
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 & Revelations 13:10
For wrath killeth the foolish man... Job 5:2
... let not the sun go down on your wrath. Ephesians 4:26
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13
...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2:11
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. John 5:31
I am one that bear witness of myself... John 8:18 [Jesus Christ was the speaker in both of these quotes]
A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children... Proverbs 13:22
Sell that ye have... Luke 12:33, Matthew 19:21
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2

And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the Lord. Leviticus 1:9
Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. Jeremiah 6:20

On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. Leviticus 23:27
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offering or sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:22

God is not the author of confusion. I Corinthians 14:33
Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good? Lamentations 3:38

With God all things are possible. Matthew 19:26
And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

...for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. Jeremiah 3:12
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. Jeremiah 17:4

...the earth abideth forever. Ecclesiastes 1:4
...the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. Numbers 30:2
But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by earth. Matthew 5:34-35

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. 2 Kings 8:26
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. 2 Chronicles 22:2

For all have sinned. Romans 3:23
There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. Job 1:1

Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire. Matthew 5:22
[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. Proverbs 3:13
For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Ecclesiastes 1:18

Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches shall be in his house... Psalms 112:1-3
& In the house of the righteous is much treasure... Proverbs 15:6
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24
& Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth... Matthew 6:19
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. Ezekiel 18:20
...I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. Exodus 20:5, Numbers 14:18
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation Deuteronomy 23:2

... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and come forth... John 5:28-29
& And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. Matthew 27:52
As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. Job 7:9
God is seen Exodus 24:9-11, 33:11 (face-to-face) 23 "hinderparts " Genesis 32:24-30 (both seen and physically touched) ; John 14:7; Numbers 14:10, 16:19, 42; Deuteronomy 5:4 (face to face)
God is unseeable John 1:18 (has never been seen), 5:37 (can't be seen/never seen); Exodus 33:20 (death for seeing His face); 1 Timothy 6:16
God is heard Exodus 33:11 (direct physical conversation); Genesis 3:9-10, 22:1-2, 11-12, 15-18; Acts 9:7; Numbers 12:5-8, 14:10-11, 16:20, 23-24, 44-45; 1 Kings 19:12-18
God is not heard John 5:37 (never heard)
And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good. Genesis 1:31
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart Genesis 6:6
God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. James 1:13
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham. Genesis 22:1
God rested Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:11 & 31:17, Hebrews 4:4
God never rests Isaiah 40:28
Murderers will be killed Exodus 21:12 & 23
Cain was protected by God for the murder of Able Genesis 4:15
Do not murder/kill Exodus 20:13, 23:7; Leviticus 19:18, 24:17, Matthew 19:18
& If ye love me, keep my commandments John 14:15
Believers are justified in all things. Acts 13:39
David orders a cold-blooded murder II Samuel 1:15
David sings of slaughtering children Psalms 137:9
Moses orders killing Numbers 31:17-18 (wanton slaughter), Exodus 32:26-27 (3,000 die)
Elijah -- most holy of the prophets -- kills 2 Kings 1:10-12 (102 men), 2:23-24 (causes 42 children to die); 1 Kings 18:22 & 40 (kills 450)
God kills or orders it done Ezekiel 14:9; Acts 5:5 & 10; Genesis 19:24-25, 22:2; Exodus 21:14, 15, 16, 17, 23, 29, 22:18, 19, 20, 24, 23:27, 32:27; Leviticus 20:2, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 27, 21:9, 24:14-16 & 23, 21, 26:17, 22, 29; Deuteronomy 13:5, 9-10, 21:18-21, 22:21; Numbers 16:31-33, 35, 21:6, 31:1 , Matthew 15:4
Those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17, Luke 11:9-10
Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but shall not find me. Proverbs 1:28
Keep the Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8, Leviticus 19:3 & 30
Keep it holy only if you want to Romans 14:5
...envy slayeth the silly one Job 5:2
I am a jealous God Exodus 20:5
"jealousy" is defined as being envious.
Shaving of beards is not allowed Judges 8:5, Leviticus 19:28
Long hair is shameful I Corinthians 6:14
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. Matthew 5:16
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them. Matthew 6:1
Worry not, God will take care of you. Matthew 6:26 & 28 & 30-34
You better take care of yourself. I Timothy 5:8
When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians. Exodus 3:21,22
Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him. Leviticus 19:13
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekial 14:9
And God said, Let us make man in our image. Genesis 1:26
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart Genesis 6:6
For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works. Ephesians 2:8-9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24
Solomon prays standing up I Kings 7:22
Do not pray standing up Matthew 6:5

Jesus dies at the 6th hour John 19:14-30, Luke 23:44-46
Jesus dies at the 9th hour Matthew 27:46-50, Mark 15:25-37

God sees everything Proverbs 15:3, Job 34:21-22
God does not see everything Genesis 18:20,21
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water. Leviticus 26:1, Exodus 20:4, Deuteronomy 5:8
And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them. Exodus 25:18
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole... Numbers 21:8
God is all powerful Jeremiah 32:27, Matthew 19:26
God is not omnipotent Judges 1:19
John was in prison when Jesus came to Galilee Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus came to Galilee John 3:22-24
David's throne was forever Psalms 89:34-37
David's throne was not forever Psalms 89:44
Israel had 800,000 fighting men & Judah 500,000 2 Samuel 24:9
Israel had 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000 1 Chronicles 21:5
The Lord made David number the people 2 Samuel 24:1
Satan made David number the people 1 Chronicles 21:1
David took seven hundred horsemen 2 Samuel 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen 1 Chronicles 18:4
Be angry Ephesians 4:26
Don't be angry Ecclesiastes 7:9
Michal had no children 2 Samuel 6:23
Michal had 5 sons 2 Samuel 21:8
Abraham had 2 sons Galatians 4:22
Abraham had only 1 son. Hebrews 11:17
Abraham had at least 7 children Genesis 22:2 & Genesis 25:2, 6
Incest is quite bad Deuteronomy 27:22, Leviticus 20:17
Abraham commits incest Genesis 20:11,12
Christ = God "I and my father are one." John 10:30
Christ & God are not equal "My father is greater than I." John 14:28
Honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12, Matthew 15:14, 19:19
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
For I come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Matthew 10:35
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2
Thou shalt not steal Exodus 20:15; Leviticus 19:11; Deuteronomy 5:19, 24:7; Matthew 19:18
Steal the wealth of besieged cities Genesis 34:27-29, Deuteronomy 20:13-14
God will not allow evil to happen to the just. Proverbs 12:21
God will allow evil to happen to the just. Hebrews 12:6, Job 1:12
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 4:1

Jesus is omnipotent Matthew 28:18
Jesus is less than omnipotent Mark 6:5

They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall. Matthew 27:34
And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh. Mark 15:23
The gospel of John contradicts the gospels of Mark, Luke and Matthew in several respects. For example, in John the last supper happens before Passover. In John, Jesus is in charge when the soliders come to the garden. In John, Jesus dies on the day of the festival af lamb slaughters.
That post is fucking big...I suggest you post the link...or else someone may say modalert..faster than s/he could blink!:D

yes, I am a he for clarification.

And the sig is "The Christian Contradiction"

First off, yes, I am Roman Catholic.

On the contradictions: As I have been taught (a product of a devout household and twelve years of Catholic Education [sweet God]), Catholics do not hold the Bible as the literal Word of God, as Protestants do. Rather, it is the will of God, written by fallible mortals. Such then, the point of the Bible is the Word of God, not the textual materials.

This also is why in Catholicism, it is both Scripture and Tradition that decides Doctrine and Morality, not Scripture alone.

Here are three things you must always remember when dealing with the Bible and some stupid skeptic list of "1001 irrefutabul conturdicshuns in teh bible" (not that all skeptics are stupid): context, context, context! :) Appreciating the context will easily solve 99% of all supposed "contradictions" in the Bible. There are more verses in that post than I care to look at personally, especially when most of my material would probably wind up stolen from www.tektonics.org, a fantastic site dealing with apologetics, textual criticism, and generally arguing for the truth of the Bible using in-depth scholarship. One has to take into account style, proverbial sayings, figurative language, and the culture of the time when studying the Bible for its proper meaning. That's another reason I converted to Catholicism; I came to realize that every interpretation of the Bible is not equal.

Here are three things you must always remember when dealing with the Bible and some stupid skeptic list of "1001 irrefutabul conturdicshuns in teh bible" (not that all skeptics are stupid): context, context, context! :) Appreciating the context will easily solve 99% of all supposed "contradictions" in the Bible. There are more verses in that post than I care to look at personally, especially when most of my material would probably wind up stolen from www.tektonics.org, a fantastic site dealing with apologetics, textual criticism, and generally arguing for the truth of the Bible using in-depth scholarship. One has to take into account style, proverbial sayings, figurative language, and the culture of the time when studying the Bible for its proper meaning. That's another reason I converted to Catholicism; I came to realize that every interpretation of the Bible is not equal.


This is not to mention the problems and connotative issues arising from multi-language translation. (IE: "Love" is the English word, but the meaning of "Agape" was more "brotherly love" than "romantic", but English doesn't show this.)

This is not to mention the problems and connotative issues arising from multi-language translation. (IE: "Love" is the English word, but the meaning of "Agape" was more "brotherly love" than "romantic", but English doesn't show this.)
Yes, there was another example of that that was a fairly large difference,but I've unfortunately forgotten it. In church once, the minister was posed the question "Is the Bible the literal Word of God?" and went on to hold a sermon on how even if it were, it can't quite be taken that way anymore after translation. He included a lot of examples of the sort of the one you posted.

I'm a Roman Catholic! A liberal one, but still a Catholic. And, unlike many, I go to a Catholic school and attend Mass every week.

me too!

(save for the liberal part, but its all good)