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How about moving the UN out of the US. The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor. So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:

How about moving the UN out of the US. The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor. So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:

you wouldn't happen to be new, would you?

How about moving the UN out of the US. The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor. So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:

Agreed ... sort of. I don't think the US should pull out of the UN, but the UN surely is a paper tiger and would be best located elsewhere, like mabe Pluto. Hey! D'ya think The Plutonian Empire would take it? :D

you wouldn't happen to be new, would you?

yeah, why? Am I showing bad form on the forum?

yeah, why? Am I showing bad form on the forum?

No, you most certainly are not. :)

You asked for player input on a matter that many players are interested in.

Oh good, I have recently discovered these forum thingies and enjoy reading them and writing posts. Am paranoid about breaking a rule or having people boycot me or something. I worry too much.

I think many people are asleep, or my topic is boring. I'd better say something controversial in a desperate bid to pump up interest in my thread. . .hmm. . . The UN is evil!!! Kofi Annon openly loves evil things and people and the US is as pristine and perfect as a recently scrubbed bathtub!! Take that UN lovers!!! :sniper:

Yeah, they should move some place more in line with their policies, like Beijing or better yet, Pyongyang. Then they'd have a front row seat for all the "restraining North Korea" noise they make, and there would be no one but them to blame when everything went to hell. I think it is a fantastic idea.

I am really annoyed by those stupid blue helmets, what were they thinking? Also, as a side note, it is unconstitutional for American soldiers to serve in the UN. Need to be pulled out and fast. Gotte go to work now, ja matta!

I think many people are asleep, or my topic is boring. I'd better say something controversial in a desperate bid to pump up interest in my thread. . .hmm. . . The UN is evil!!! Kofi Annon openly loves evil things and people and the US is as pristine and perfect as a recently scrubbed bathtub!! Take that UN lovers!!! :sniper:
Argh! You were one of the most intelligent, polite, and overall agreeable member yet, but then you had to :sniper:

I think using that emoticon automatically knocks down your credibility rating about fifty points.

sorry, I didn't know :sniper: these things were frowned upon. Will cease to use them. Want to have fun not annoy.

sorry, I didn't know :sniper: these things were frowned upon. Will cease to use them. Want to have fun not annoy.
:sniper: is the ultimate sign of noobishness.

The UN should move to one of the countries they love, like Zimbabwe, Libya, Sudan, or Cuba.

The UN should be put back in its original location. San Francisco, CA. We'd gladly have it here. Preferably near United Nations Plaza.

How about moving the UN out of the US.

The UN is an international body with offices spread around the globe. Hence, that should say "the UN HQ".

The UN pretty much hates the US

No, it doesn't.

and we are beginning to return the favor.

You are?

So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva?

Because it's already there.

New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use

Having it be the seat of one of the UN's more important offices is good use.

and the UN would be happy to be out of America.

It would? Since when? Why?

And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well.

Why leave something you instated? Really, is it so difficult to play by the rules you invented?

I think many people are asleep, or my topic is boring. I'd better say something controversial in a desperate bid to pump up interest in my thread. . .hmm. . . The UN is evil!!! Kofi Annon openly loves evil things and people and the US is as pristine and perfect as a recently scrubbed bathtub!! Take that UN lovers!!! :sniper:
excuse me but you seem to be shooting at ur self

The UN should be put back in its original location. San Francisco, CA. We'd gladly have it here. Preferably near United Nations Plaza.

lol san francisco lol gays lol gays liberal like UN

Sorry, just figured I'd make it so no one else had to make that obligatory comment.

Let's keep the UN where it is. It's easier that way.

I am really annoyed by those stupid blue helmets, what were they thinking? Also, as a side note, it is unconstitutional for American soldiers to serve in the UN. Need to be pulled out and fast. Gotte go to work now, ja matta!

Was that a controversial post, or do you actually believe that it's unconstitutional?

:P

Cheers

Yes, I do believe that. It is unconstitutional. It is clearly stated that no United States soldiers can be placed under foreign command. Even in WWII, the overall Allied commander was American, this was partially done because of the illegality in the US of placing troops under foreign command. Our Supreme Court has violated the constitution by allowing this simply because it is practical.

How about moving the UN out of the US.

fair enough, lets move it to a country that actually listens to what it has to say. preferably near most of its other member nations, and not being overseen, bugged, followed, and threatened by the biggest bully nation in the world.

The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor.

im sorry, since when has the UN ever, ever, ever done or said anything anti american?

So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva?

its called the euro parliment, and its already there.

New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use

such as what exactly? give me costings and profit predictions for any and every use of the building, factoring in the vast cost of moving the UN HQ, its staff, and all of its dependants out of america. paid for by the USA, since they are turfing them out.

and the UN would be happy to be out of America.

im sure they really dont mind where they are, since its an international cooperation force :|

And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:

since the USA does not listen to the UN anyway, and provides about 1/100th of the support it should, and could, i dont see that making too much of a difference.

lol san francisco lol gays lol gays liberal like UN

Sorry, just figured I'd make it so no one else had to make that obligatory comment.

Let's keep the UN where it is. It's easier that way.

Have you actually been to San Francisco?

A number of us here have lived in the Bay Area, and the suggestion actually is a fair one. While New York is a fairly liberal American city, I think the suggestion was a fair one.

The UN pretty much hates the US
Got proof?

To be honest, I'd like to see the UN headquarters moved to Switzerland. It's entirely neutral in EVERYTHING ever. On the other hand, the US generally isn't, generally chooses to do whatever it pleases and to hell with the UN, and, as you say, doesn't really like the idea of following the rules. True, it was an American idea. True, the Americans insisted it's headquarters was in New York, for fear of it being in a communist country. But back then, America never realised that the UN might disagree with it.

im sorry, since when has the UN ever, ever, ever done or said anything anti american?


I believe trying to institute rules that supercede the US constitution (or any other constitution) applies as being anti-american (or anti-wherever)...


im sure they really dont mind where they are, since its an international cooperation force :|


It's trying to be an international ruling force.


since the USA does not listen to the UN anyway, and provides about 1/100th of the support it should, and could, i dont see that making too much of a difference.

The US doesn't provide its FAIR share? I think the US provides more than 1/191th of the entire UN budget. Can you come up with the numbers to dispute this? I'm pretty certain that there are countries that don't pay their share of the budget. Every member nation should be equally responsible for funding. If you don't want the US to try to have more of a say, stop trying to make us fund more than 1/191th of the budget.

The US pays about 1/5th of the operating costs of the UN at this point in time.
There have been times when the US has delayed payment (for years).

The United States is a generous supporter -- in many cases the largest supporter -- of key U.N. programs. In 2003, the U.S. contributed:

-- 57 percent to the budget of the World Food Program to help feed 104 million people in 81 countries;

-- 17 percent to the budget of the United Nations Children's Fund to feed, vaccinate, educate, and protect children in 158 countries;

-- 14 percent to the core budget of the United Nations Development Program to eradicate poverty and encourage democratic governance; and

-- 33 percent to the budget of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2004/Sep/15-489155.html

To be honest, I'd like to see the UN headquarters moved to Switzerland. It's entirely neutral in EVERYTHING ever. On the other hand, the US generally isn't, generally chooses to do whatever it pleases and to hell with the UN, and, as you say, doesn't really like the idea of following the rules. True, it was an American idea. True, the Americans insisted it's headquarters was in New York, for fear of it being in a communist country. But back then, America never realised that the UN might disagree with it.
Didn't the US realize nothing ever agrees with everything you say?

I can't think of one time in history any group has been always agreed with.

How about moving the UN out of the US. The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor. So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:
You should read upon the definition of the UN. It is NOT a government which love or hate some countries. MEMBERS of the UN may hate/love the US but, as a whole, the UN is not hating anybody.

Saying that the UN hates something is ridiculous.

Yes, I do believe that. It is unconstitutional. It is clearly stated that no United States soldiers can be placed under foreign command. Even in WWII, the overall Allied commander was American, this was partially done because of the illegality in the US of placing troops under foreign command. Our Supreme Court has violated the constitution by allowing this simply because it is practical.


Right.... But isn't the Supreme Court the end all and be all of Constitutional interpretation? And really, where is it in the Constitution that is says that no U.S. soldiers can be plaed under foreign command? I sort of remember something like that, but I think you're stretching it just a *tad* there.

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the UN headquarters to move to Swizerland. Good Chocolate, Good Skiing, Ricola, is there really anything bad you can say about the Swiss? The Swiss rule.

Only problem is, Swizerland was not a charter member of the UN.

But still, the Swiss kick major posterior.

How about moving the UN out of the US. The UN pretty much hates the US and we are beginning to return the favor. So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:

The UN is joke.
I wonder how many people they could feed p.a. in the world with just the phone bill?

no.. although I see your point, and having the headquarters in Geneva would make sence, America is still the land of the free, the democracy and politics. There is no better, and safer place to place it.

Plus, The U.S would never allow the UN to be moved!

:) - yanik

p.s ... to the guy above me .. I believe that The UN is a joke politically, and it was formed in an unequal way, it was build to fail. Yet, I feel that the humanitarian aspect of the UN is highly important.

I say we put it on some island in the Pacific.

That way, it's on no body's land!

Better yet, it can be in Antarctica! It isn't owned by anyone, so that's where it should be!

"no.. although I see your point, and having the headquarters in Geneva would make sence, America is still the land of the free, the democracy and politics. There is no better, and safer place to place it."

Emm...Correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the two planes hit the WTC that was located just a few blocks away from the UN HQ?
Every nation that has freedom is free, its not like the USA is the only free nation in the world.

"Plus, The U.S would never allow the UN to be moved!"

Well that is not for the USA to say, last I knew the US was a MEMBER nation and ALL members have a say.

Well that is not for the USA to say, last I knew the US was a MEMBER nation and ALL members have a say.

We are also one of the founding nations, and we are *arguably* the most powerful. If the U.N. were moved against our wishes, then we'd probably leave the U.N. or something. And without the U.S., the U.N. is about 70% weaker. It relies heavily on U.S. Muscle(that means our soldiers), U.S. Money(we are the worlds richest nation, y'know), and U.S. Influence(Who is a tinpot thirdworld dictatorship with a large army going to listen too: The U.S. or the Spanish). Without that, the U.N. is severly handicapped.

The U.S would never allow the UN to be moved!
I would like to see Bush try to stop the UN move...I would really love to see that.

gimme 4 more years :D

We are also one of the founding nations, and we are *arguably* the most powerful. If the U.N. were moved against our wishes, then we'd probably leave the U.N. or something. And without the U.S., the U.N. is about 70% weaker. It relies heavily on U.S. Muscle(that means our soldiers), U.S. Money(we are the worlds richest nation, y'know), and U.S. Influence(Who is a tinpot thirdworld dictatorship with a large army going to listen too: The U.S. or the Spanish). Without that, the U.N. is severly handicapped.

You do not see how powerfull Europe is
Lets say Germany, France, UK, etc. would like to move the UN HQ out of the U.S. and had majority support in the UN and you would say that you were going to leave the U.N. if they did that do you really think that they would say Oh i'm sorry we will not go?
The world can function just fine without the U.S. military. Other nations do have militarys of their own you know and powerfull ones.
Oh, and if you would say that you would not go along with the move Europe could say well okay than we will limit European support to the US.
If Europe goes against the US you would fall hard.
And commo'n it only another location.

I think using that emoticon automatically knocks down your credibility rating about fifty points.
Fuck credibility.
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:sniper: is the ultimate sign of noobishness.

Yes....my first post ended with :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: ....in an RP at that....*cringes*

Fuck credibility.
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ROFL

I really need to let teh inner n00b vent sometimes :D

This is an extremely good idea. For a start, the US never pays its dues and thinks it's above the UN (except of course when it wants help - as with the fucking awful mess it's made in Iraq) so I suggest the UN come to Europe, where the slightly more advanced civilisation on the continent appreciates it. When the US has grown up - maybe in some 2 or 300 years time, and gets over this habit of electing a dynasty of very rich fuhrers, then the UN could readmit it.

Fuck credibility.
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Well, my days of taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle. :D

For a start, the US never pays its dues

Really? I believe a post above said the US paid 20% of the UN bill. Who else does that? Can't be more than four....unless you're using "new math".

Never pays its dues my ass.

You do not see how powerfull Europe is
Lets say Germany, France, UK, etc. would like to move the UN HQ out of the U.S. and had majority support in the UN and you would say that you were going to leave the U.N. if they did that do you really think that they would say Oh i'm sorry we will not go?
The world can function just fine without the U.S. military. Other nations do have militarys of their own you know and powerfull ones.
Oh, and if you would say that you would not go along with the move Europe could say well okay than we will limit European support to the US.
If Europe goes against the US you would fall hard.
And commo'n it only another location.

I know how powerful Europe is. It's just their people would never support a war where they would take alot of deaths. Example: France. The French people certainly supported us in Afghanistan, where we did most of the dying. And then they went to the Ivory Coast, since all the French were doing was killing civilians. Europe needs the U.S., and the U.S.(albeit to a lesser degree) needs Europe as well. However, seeing how Europe has nearly run out of resources, if the U.S. cuts trade between Europe their economies will fall one by one.

And yes, the world could function without the U.S. Military. But the problem is that Europe isn't one country, it is a union of countries. The U.S. has one military, so we control all aspects of our battles. If the Europeans sent forces, then they would have French Units, German Units, and British Units, but they would all be small and under different leaders. They could probably police small areas, but to police people like in, say, Sudan, you would need an army the size of the U.S.

Oh, and the U.S. has the power of Veto. So any move that the U.N. makes that is against our favor...veto! The Europeans use it, so why can't we?

Let's just shut the UN down. It sure would stop the global warming everyone is so worried about. :D

Let's just shut the UN down. It sure would stop the global warming everyone is so worried about. :D

lol

The U.N. should be moved to the free fire zone at 29 Palms Marine Corps Base.

So why not move the bloated debate society to Geneva? New York could make a lot more cash putting that property to good use and the UN would be happy to be out of America. And while we're at it, the US can finally leave the UN, leaving both group much happier as well. :fluffle:
Not a bad idea . . .

The world can function just fine without the U.S. military. Other nations do have militarys of their own you know and powerfull ones.
Oh, and if you would say that you would not go along with the move Europe could say well okay than we will limit European support to the US.
If Europe goes against the US you would fall hard.
And commo'n it only another location.

You actually believe what you just wrote here? LOL Ok, What other nation can put 16 aircraft carrier battle groups off your front porch. Who else can move 250k troops accross the world in a matter of weeks. All the armor and bullets too?
And truly the real test. Who would you rather be saving your ass if you were in it deep? France? Germany? China? maybe big bad Russia? lol Nah I think the answer would be US MARINES!


Europe go against the US as a group?! LOL keep dreamin... EU is a joke. France and Chirac is leader of the Clown EU. At least the brits used there head when saying hell no to your tying of the Euro.