NationStates Jolt Archive

I'd say either Rafael Trujillo or Saparmurat Niyazov. As always, the poll will be up in a minute.

Mr. Niyazov sure is making a case for himself lately, isn't he?

Mr. Niyazov sure is making a case for himself lately, isn't he?

Yes, he is. :p

Jesus.

Without a doubt, Chairman Mao.

Jesus.

I considered putting him on the poll, but for personal reasons (and because then I'd have to include all other major religious leaders) I decided not to.

Ghengis Khan or Attila the Hun

I considered putting him on the poll, but for personal reasons (and because then I'd have to include all other major religious leaders) I decided not to.
No worries. I have no problem naming him.

Jesus only had about a hundred thousand followers.

People who love you after your dead don't count, either.

Ghengis Khan or Attila the Hun


No, no.

People respected them, but almost no one loved them.

If your going to go that far back, the best example would be Julius Ceaser.

Another reason I didn't include Jesus, Mohammed, et. al., is because they didn't intend to establish personality cults. People like Trujillo or Niyazov, for example, who name practically their whole damn countries after themselves, did.

if its while they are alive its gotta be stalin. otherwise lenin, cos even after they realised stalin wasnt actually all that great and they dismantled his cult lenin's was still going strong...i mean his body is still in that mausolem in red square

Stalin and Mao.

Stalin's wasn't all that. It was just a fear climate. He was the original personality cult guy, but Mao dwarf's everyone.

I mean, the people practivally policed themselves, and even when everything was coming down they loved him, plus it lasted his whole reign, and further, not to mention it was the largest one in the entire world's history.

Stalin's wasn't all that. It was just a fear climate. He was the original personality cult guy, but Mao dwarf's everyone.

I mean, the people practivally policed themselves, and even when everything was coming down they loved him, plus it lasted his whole reign, and further, not to mention it was the largest one in the entire world's history.

What about Trujillo, Kim (son or father), or Niyazov?

im sayin mao.

No, no.

People respected them, but almost no one loved them.

If your going to go that far back, the best example would be Julius Ceaser.

Personality cult does not imply love, it can be based on fear or respect.
If it had to be love how did the likes of Stalin make the poll.

JC was not exactly loved either. (oops JC being Julius Ceaser, not Jesus Christ)

Muhammed(pbuh) ... because people didn't follow him out of fear.

Of your list, though, Mao.

Muhammed(pbuh) ... because people didn't follow him out of fear.

Of your list, though, Mao.

Muhammed never intended to have a personality cult, though. He didn't wallow in arrogance like the fools who graced my list did.

If it had to be love how did the likes of Stalin make the poll.
Actually a lot of people did love Stalin. Crazy but true.

Actually a lot of people did love Stalin. Crazy but true.

Yeah. A lot of people loved Hitler, too, even though he was a rotten piece of s**t.

Caesar gets my vote.

'cept for brutus. brutus wasn't so hot on the whole cult around Caesar thing.

I voted Mao, but I was surprised to see nobody's voted for Hitler yet.

Oh my god, I've just read about Saparmurat Niyazov. I'm changing my vote to him. He is like a parody of a dictator.

Actually a lot of people did love Stalin. Crazy but true.

Give me the names of three. No. Not fair.

I dispute that many people loved Stalin. Lenin yes, but not Stalin. They feared him, they obeyed him, they worshiped him, but they did not love him.

Oh my god, I've just read about Saparmurat Niyazov. I'm changing my vote to him. He is like a parody of a dictator.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

Muhammed never intended to have a personality cult, though. He didn't wallow in arrogance like the fools who graced my list did.

True ... damn good point.

Steve Jobs. :D

/me pats his Mac G5 tower.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Steve Jobs. :D

/me pats his Mac G5 tower.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

Mao beats them all.


And yes, just like I said, not many people loved Stalin, he knew it, and they knew it.


Nagoragakok, or whoever you were talking about, yes, indeed he did have a nice one, but what about sieze? Did he rule China? No, he did not.

And Julius Ceaser not loved? What the hell are you talking about? They fucking kissed the ground on which he walked!

He was everything they loved (and consequently, they loved him immensly)


The guy was a brilliant and succesfull general, gave huge fucking festivals, stood up for them, and was very charismatic in the process.

If they didn't like him, what did they elect him to so many posts, eh?


No, they did love him.


And Mao is by far the best.

Oh my god, I've just read about Saparmurat Niyazov. I'm changing my vote to him. He is like a parody of a dictator.

Isn't he, though? He seems more like a Bond villain than a real dictator.

And Julius Ceaser not loved? What the hell are you talking about? They fucking kissed the ground on which he walked!

He was everything they loved (and consequently, they loved him immensly)


The guy was a brilliant and succesfull general, gave huge fucking festivals, stood up for them, and was very charismatic in the process.

If they didn't like him, what did they elect him to so many posts, eh?


No, they did love him.


Consider who could vote. The senate, that was all. Look at the family relationships within the senate. Oh what a surprise they voted for him, and then murdered him. A real love hate relationship.
How did Julius Ceaser obtain power in Rome? Well he marched into rome at the head of his particular portion of the roman army and seized power. Crossing the rubicon and all that. A highly loved man this one.
Try the history, not the legend.

No, no.

People respected them, but almost no one loved them.

If your going to go that far back, the best example would be Julius Ceaser.

hahah yeah you respected Ghengis alright....

If you didn't, he'd burn your village, slaughter your livestock and divert a river to cause a major flood. Best leader ever.

how is Kurt Cobain not on the pole, C'MON!

hahah yeah you respected Ghengis alright....

If you didn't, he'd burn your village, slaughter your livestock and divert a river to cause a major flood. Best leader ever.

GEEK!! :p now for some lovin :fluffle:

Elvis has a bigger cult than all of those suckas together :D

I was thinking Napoleon. Granted, I've never heard of half the guys on the poll, but the ones that I do know have never fallen out of power, been exiled, escaped, returned home, and been thrust back into power by the people. Kinda hard to top.

Caesar gets my vote.

'cept for brutus. brutus wasn't so hot on the whole cult around Caesar thing.
wasnt brutus originally friends with Ceaser or am i just crazy

Mao. 1 billion Chinese can't be wrong.

how is Kurt Cobain not on the pole, C'MON!
ill pay that

Julius Caesar.

Definitely not Mao. Before the 1970s the Chinese people liked Mao but he was not an object of worship. The leadership of the Chinese nation was divided amongst other charismatic figures including Lin Biao and Liu Shaoqi. An effort to create a true one-man cult of personality did not really begin until the 1970s when all of Mao's rivals were eliminated, and by then the ordinary CHinese people were tired of Mao. In this poll I voted for Kim Jong Il.

Cecil Rhodes, if only to stimulate discussion.

The emperor Augustus Caesar (aka Octavian) ... of the ones on the poll, Mao.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov
Yes, that's where I got my info from. Although it may not be true. According to some members of this forum (Corneliu) Wikipedia lacks credibility, due to the fact that anyone can change it.

by numbers, Mao. 1 billion people or more, and a large number of them really believed, and of the ones that didn't, most of em pretended to really hard.

Definitely not Mao. Before the 1970s the Chinese people liked Mao but he was not an object of worship. The leadership of the Chinese nation was divided amongst other charismatic figures including Lin Biao and Liu Shaoqi. An effort to create a true one-man cult of personality did not really begin until the 1970s when all of Mao's rivals were eliminated, and by then the ordinary CHinese people were tired of Mao. In this poll I voted for Kim Jong Il.

That's a very, very odd reading of Chinese history. The Cultural Revolution wasn't the beginning of Mao's personality cult, and it started in about 1966. And in the late 60s Mao was an object of extreme reverence. I know of people who pinned their Mao badges to their skin to show their love for him. And they used the word "love" themselves. Mao was the deliverer of a huge number of chinese peasants who had lived all their lives in poverty and fear of their lives until he came along. They loved him in a very superstitious way. They were superstitious people, and treated him as a god.

I say Charles Manson!

wasnt brutus originally friends with Ceaser or am i just crazy

Yes, hense Ceasar's famous last words: "Et Tu Brute? Then fall Caesar" (in the Shakespearean play at least).

That's a very, very odd reading of Chinese history. The Cultural Revolution wasn't the beginning of Mao's personality cult, and it started in about 1966. And in the late 60s Mao was an object of extreme reverence. I know of people who pinned their Mao badges to their skin to show their love for him. And they used the word "love" themselves. Mao was the deliverer of a huge number of chinese peasants who had lived all their lives in poverty and fear of their lives until he came along. They loved him in a very superstitious way. They were superstitious people, and treated him as a god.

Of course they did. They knew what would happen if they didn't.

It's either stalin or mao.

It's either stalin or mao.

What about Saparmurat Niyazov? He has his picture on vodka bottles, fergodsakes!"