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I think that bigots shouldn't be allowed to marry. Their offspring will presumably be as homophobic as their parents, and another generation will suffer from the widespread intolerance that seems to define the United States and the world. This will be enforced by mandatory castration for all persons found to be bigots at age 18. No exceptions. It will also be retroactive, so all bigots within a potentially reproductive age group (18-50) will have their sex organs removed (at no cost!).

Look, GAYS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE. You can rant all you want, bring religion into it, make it personal, whatever. Homosexuals will not be carried off to hell by a swarm of locusts... as some of you seem to think.

As long as they are here, why can't they have equal rights? You can personally believe whatever you want about homosexuality, but the second you try to impose your beliefs on someone else, the second you think your OPINION should control the behavior of the people, well, that's the second you stop talking about a democracy.

The crazy thing is, Republicans (this is gonna be USA-specific, sorry) are supposedly for small government and state rights, right? That is traditional conservatism. So why propose a FEDERAL ban on gay marriage? It's crazy. That is a clear example of big govennment, strong central government, AND of the government intruding in people's personal lives.

These are the same people who will turn around and say that the government has no right to tell them what kind of guns they can and can't own! Oh, I get it - you can have an assault rifle because that's not the government's business, but the sexual preferences of a minority population IS the government's business? Excuse me?


Which leads me to another point. If I was a true conservative, I would be withdrawing my membership from the Republican party right about now, if I hadn't already. The Bush brand of Republican is one of intervention (Afghanistan and Iraq), big government (Dept. of Homeland Security, Patriot Act, Gay Marriage Ban, etc etc.) and Don't Tax/Do Spend economics. None of these things are conservative at ALL.

Now, I'm not saying that the Department of Homeland Security is bad (a consolidation of resources/intelligence seems/seemed appropriate after 9/11), I'm merely pointing out the fact that this party is not really conservative. They don't even APPROACH being fiscally conservative. Record deficits and lower taxes - doesn't sound responsible/conservative to me at all.

All it took was September 11th, and suddenly the Republicans realized the strength, even the necessity, of having a strong central government. They also recognized in 9/11 an opportunity to consolidate power, and they took full advantage of it. Principles were sacrificed in order to consolidate power during a narrow window of opportunity.


I hope this will provoke a civil discussion. But just remember, if you disagree with me, you're wrong, and screw you. Just kidding. But seriously, don't give me an moralistic BS about homosexuality. If you really feel that strongly, don't have gay relations. You weren't hired to be the nation's moral consultant. Oh please Republicans, tell me, is it okay to feel the way I do natrually? Oh please Republicans, provide me with a simple color-coded guide to how afraid I should be! Very afraid? Oh dear, I guess I'll be shopping at Wal-mart until 2008!

I am honestly hontesly honestly more scared of Republican leadership than I am of terrorists. Terrorists are a lunatic fringe, they are being met with a reasonably united front of nations (I don't consider Iraq terrorist-related. I mean in terms of finding leaders/sharing intelligence/making arrests/disrupting cells et.). Conversely, the US is veering right. Right away from the rest of the world. Even a high-schooler can tell you the history lesson no politician, Democrat OR Republican seems to understand: Disproportionately powerful nations always fall after time, and the USA will be no exception. I don't wish for this day, but it will come, and when it does, we will regret behaving with the kind of nonchalant arrogance embodied by the Bush administration.

Oh yeah - no bigots allowed. Bring your brains, not your bibles.

That has to be the most hypocritical statement ever made on this webforum.

How very bigoted of you.

I think anyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult of their choosing, however I draw the line at bigots having children....think of the children, they might get teased for having biggotted parents, and we all know that anything which might cause children to poke fingers (and/or tongues) simply cannot be tolerated, which of course is a problem since not tolerating things would make us all bigots and thus would exclude us all from breeding... ;)

None the less I stand by my assertion that we must think of the children and never allow anything which might provoke the earth shattering power of the 'nah nah nah, your parent's are different to mine' mantra, a mantra that we all know can easily lead to the destruction of society itself....so please think of the children.... ;)

Gee, it sure freaks them out when the tables are turned. :D

Gee, it sure freaks them out when the tables are turned. :D
It freaks *me* out when the tables are turned, and I'm not even on the side that the tables are getting turned on!

Fair enough about the bible thing. I was kidding, but fair enough.

Also just kidding about the government controlling reproductive rights, in case you couldn't tell.

I think the very nature of this topic, calling for forced castration of (insert group here) is a flame bait. Due to the very nature of the thread, it's just a massive attack designed to draw in folks from (insert group here) to get insults as replies.



For the mods to decide though.

holy crap it was a joke. get over it.

Will anyone actually talk about the serious things I brought up, like the reversal of the Republican party?

It's still funny, though of course I'd never think of really doing it. People have the right to raise their children the way they choose, even if I find it repugnant. Though some might argue that warping their minds is child abuse.

Principles were sacrificed in order to consolidate power during a narrow window of opportunity.

Welll.. yes. But in all fairness that is not really the fault of the republicans - it's the fault of having a two-party system. It is simply not possible to have both strong principles/ideals AND keep appealing to a majority of voters - unless all the voters are Borg of course.

Bitchkitten - good point. There is a fine line here. It's like people who don't believe in medicine, so they let their kid die of an easily curable disease. Murder? Not quite, but def. neglect. In that case, not many people (ACLU maybe?) would argue that is the mother's right to kill her kid indirectly.

And other person: the two party system is a huge part of the problem. I don't blame voting republicans for conciously switching their party's platform. Just an observation.

*Claps hands*

Nice rant. You choose to live an alternative lifestyle, expect to be treated somehwhat differently. It's just the way life is. Deal, or don't.

Gee, it sure freaks them out when the tables are turned. :D
Are you certain you should be discussing the turning of tables? What if one day you have children? Other children might tease them because one of their parents is a 'table turner discussionist'.....please think of the children! What if one day a child is out with their parent in the park and they hear you discussing table turning?! How are their parents supposed to explain that to their children?! Would you want to explain the discussion of table turning to little Jimmy? No, I didnt think so....so please think of the children! ;)

Besides the children, discussion isnt for the purpose of noting the turning of tables. Discussion has traditionally not been used to note the turning of tables. It is unnatural to use discussion to refer to table turning, and/or the turning of tables. If you dont care about the children, what about nature? Either way, please think of the children!

And also I belong to a well established cult that teaches that discussing table turning is a sin, so it is a sin, I know because I have faith. So quit your unnatural sinning, and start thinking of the children... ;)

You choose to live an alternative lifestyle, expect to be treated somehwhat differently. It's just the way life is. Deal, or don't.


The word "choose" is where you go wrong. It's a little deeper than waking up one day and deciding to be gay for the hell of it. I think most people who are gay (I am not myself) would tell you that they were different from an early age. There's not an on/off gay gene, but I believe it's just the way some people are. You wouldn't say black people "chose" an alternate lifestyle and deserve to suffer for it.

Am I the only person who has no idea what "Peopleandstuff" is talking about?

That has to be the most hypocritical statement ever made on this webforum.
As an atheist, I see nothing wrong with "Bring your brains, not your bibles."

After all, religion is just an excuse for mass-insanity.

As an atheist, I see nothing wrong with "Bring your brains, not your bibles."

After all, religion is just an excuse for mass-insanity.
I don't believe in God, but it sounds to me like a blatant insult to say "Bring you rbrains, not your Bibles", as it implies to me that those that are religious are inherently stupid.

As an atheist, I see nothing wrong with "Bring your brains, not your bibles."

After all, religion is just an excuse for mass-insanity.


Me too, but as I think we're in a small minority, it's not really worth bringing up. Besides, it was an inflamatory statement that didn't really merit debate, so I just deleted it.

I think the very nature of this topic, calling for forced castration of (insert group here) is a flame bait. Due to the very nature of the thread, it's just a massive attack designed to draw in folks from (insert group here) to get insults as replies.



For the mods to decide though.
I agree with that.
Are you reporting it for review?

I don't believe in God, but it sounds to me like a blatant insult to say "Bring you rbrains, not your Bibles", as it implies to me that those that are religious are inherently stupid.

yeah exactly. sorry. I'm willing to admit it when I'm wrong.

You've got to be joking me Neo.

Did you only read the first paragraph and the last line? Get to the point! There's serious stuff in there. It was a freaking JOKE, I wasn't baiting anyone. I wanted to talk about gay marriage and the apparent republican reversal.

As an atheist, I see nothing wrong with "Bring your brains, not your bibles."

After all, religion is just an excuse for mass-insanity.
And that is what makes you exactly like the people you insult. You are as closed-minded and bigoted as the fundamental Christians you hate. What if i said evolutionists were morons because they believed in an idiotic theory? (i would not but how would you react?)

Am I the only person who has no idea what "Peopleandstuff" is talking about?
Actually it should all be as clear as mud. I am simply trying to point out that it isnt right to discuss table turning. I know this because my religion states it is so, and because I know nature didnt invent discussion for the purpose of discussing the turning of tables (tables were not even around when discussion originated), and because most importantly of all, I always think of the children. You too would know this if you would only stop thinking for yourself, and accept everything I say as being the source of all truth, and if you also spared a thought for the children. Let's hope your children dont get teased for a having a parent that thinks for themselves instead of believing everything I say. We all know that the judgement of the peers of one's children is the defining line between right and wrong. If you dont agree, I can only suggest you have not thought enough about the children...

Personally I think people who choose to discuss table turning should accept that they will always have inferior rights. If they dont want to be treated differently to those of us who know it is wrong and unnatural and sinful to discuss the turning of tables, they shouldnt choose a different lifestyle. This goes double for 'table turner discussionists' who also choose to think for themselves. Who do people think they are doing their own thinking, when I have a perfectly good, couple of 1000 year old book, that will do all their thinking for them?

I thought this whole thread was a joke. You want discussion? Heres discussion for you.

Reversal of the Republican party? Why not call for the reversal of the Democratic party?Will never happen.

Hmm. What other political ideaology is for drastic reduction of taxes and the size of the government and praises the free market? Oh, right, Anarchists. ;)

It will also be retroactive, so all bigots within a potentially reproductive age group (18-50) will have their sex organs removed (at no cost!).

lol, I think they should be charged for the procedure.

I thought this whole thread was a joke. You want discussion? Heres discussion for you.

Reversal of the Republican party? Why not call for the reversal of the Democratic party?Will never happen.

If you actually READ the post you wouldn't think it was a joke, first of all.
And second, I'm obviously NOT calling for the reversal myself, I'm pointing it out.

No one is actually discussing the issues I brought up, therefore, I'm going to sleep now. Have fun not talking about anything important. You get bogged down in the wording and technicalities and miss the content. READ before you REACT.

Actually it should all be as clear as mud. I am simply trying to point out that it isnt right to discuss table turning. I know this because my religion states it is so, and because I know nature didnt invent discussion for the purpose of discussing the turning of tables (tables were not even around when discussion originated), and because most importantly of all, I always think of the children. You too would know this if you would only stop thinking for yourself, and accept everything I say as being the source of all truth, and if you also spared a thought for the children. Let's hope your children dont get teased for a having a parent that thinks for themselves instead of believing everything I say. We all know that the judgement of the peers of one's children is the defining line between right and wrong. If you dont agree, I can only suggest you have not thought enough about the children...

Personally I think people who choose to discuss table turning should accept that they will always have inferior rights. If they dont want to be treated differently to those of us who know it is wrong and unnatural and sinful to discuss the turning of tables, they shouldnt choose a different lifestyle. This goes double for 'table turner discussionists' who also choose to think for themselves. Who do people think they are doing their own thinking, when I have a perfectly good, couple of 1000 year old book, that will do all their thinking for them?


Sorry I get it now. Clever. And yes, you're right.

Truth is only socially constructed until someone disagrees with it. Then they're right and you're wrong. That's how most people are, I suspect.

holy crap it was a joke. get over it.


If you actually READ the post you wouldn't think it was a joke, first of all.
Now I am confused.

Sorry I get it now. Clever. And yes, you're right.

Truth is only socially constructed until someone disagrees with it. Then they're right and you're wrong. That's how most people are, I suspect.
I'm pleased to see you have come to your senses and finally realised the wisdom of thinking of the children, now if you will step right this way for a full labotomy, we can rid you of that pesky tendancy to think for yourself....we really cant have that kind of carry on, it might interfere with thinking of the children... ;)

I agree with that.
Are you reporting it for review?


You can handle it.