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Hello everyone, I'm Jordan...The Roman Catholic

Religion seems to be a hot topic as of late... So I thought I'd put this post up for those of you who want to ask questions, rant or otherwise insult about my religion and beliefs....

I'll try and give the straightest possible answer I can, however if your just insulting me and my religion...most likely I won't reply just so I won't escalate things TOO much...

Looking foward to hearing from you all...

Italian, Irish, or Polish?

Italian, Irish, or Polish?

This deserves a great big " ? "

sorry I have no idea what your trying to ask

This deserves a great big " ? "

sorry I have no idea what your trying to ask

It's a joke between all my friends who are Roman Catholic, because we're all either Italian, Irish, or Polish. So whenever we meet someone new who says they're Roman Catholic, we ask them. And if they're not one of those three, we give them a hard time for not being a real Roman Catholic. It's just a bit of fun.

Just giving a friendly hello. I'm a convert to Catholicism from United Methodism. Take care, and God bless!

Thank you very much Passivocalia

Now to answer the question I'm Irish-Canadian

My Fathers side is all Irish

These threads always just end up as a big "You are dumb GOd doesnt exist!!!11!!11!!11!!eleven" and so on. You have good intentions, but this is going to end up with just trolls posting, and no one wants that.

Thank you very much Passivocalia

Now to answer the question I'm Irish-Canadian

My Fathers side is all Irish

There you go. You're a real Roman Catholic.

Very true...but hey if someone gets all the negative energy out on here rather then on someone in real life...no harm is done...

my god can beat up your god and his dad, and that shady friendly ghost character and still get back to the hall of heros before happy hour at the all you can drink mead pub in the basement.


yes valhalla has a fully furnished basement with a mead pub, and a disco(for the germans mainly, they're kinda weird that way).

These threads always just end up as a big "You are dumb GOd doesnt exist!!!11!!11!!11!!eleven" and so on. You have good intentions, but this is going to end up with just trolls posting, and no one wants that.

No, they always end up like so:



Evil Atheist: You are dumb. God doesn't exist.

Religious Nut: No, you are dumb. God exists.

Evil Atheist: No, dumbass. There's no proof.

Religious Nut: Yes, dumbass, there is.

Evil Atheist: What proof is there?

Religious Nut: The Bible. And this website. www.notanultrachristiansiteipromise.com

Evil Atheist: Stupid Christian. The Bible is false. And that website is so biased. Try this for an unbiased look at your "God." www.supermegauberatheistsite.com

Religious Nut: You're going to hell.

Evil Atheist: There is no hell. And even if there was, you'd be the one going to hell, not me.

Religious Nut: Stupid atheist.

Evil Atheist: Idiot Christian.


Perhaps I can put it in picture form:

http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues00/jun00/images/butting.jpg

my god can beat up your god and his dad, and that shady friendly ghost character and still get back to the hall of heros before happy hour at the all you can drink mead pub in the basement.


yes valhalla has a fully furnished basement with a mead pub, and a disco(for the germans mainly, they're kinda weird that way).

Ah a Pagan I see...

Nice to meet you...

I'm taking it your a follower of the Skandinavian Lore?

Ah a Pagan I see...

Nice to meet you...

I'm taking it your a follower of the Skandinavian Lore?

meh, i was just riding UT's post's coat tails

fair enough...lol...

Hello everyone, I'm Jordan...The Roman Catholic

Religion seems to be a hot topic as of late... So I thought I'd put this post up for those of you who want to ask questions, rant or otherwise insult about my religion and beliefs....

I'll try and give the straightest possible answer I can, however if your just insulting me and my religion...most likely I won't reply just so I won't escalate things TOO much...

Looking foward to hearing from you all...

So i will start off the hellish arguing.. As i am a roman catholic myself Im hoping you get this right, because so many christian nuts on this forum dont seem to get this little detail..

How bad do you think homosexuality is ? a sin ? one so bad to condem you to hell ?

Is homosexuality worse then say ... adultery (having an affair) ?

remember.. while it (THE ACT of homosexuality) may be considered a sin among us religious types.. it is a sin no different then masterbation, malice toward your neigbor, or premartial sexual relations ... but adultery is a captial sin .. Every person who has an affair and does not realize the gravity of their act has broken one of the 10 commandments.. the consequces there in are.. undeniable

Now, I will not tell you god does not exist, I belive in him, I am christian, however, one thing I must tell you, Stay away from the catholic church! I have nothing against catholics, they are just normal people, but the church is MOSTLY in a power grab. THe church trys to raise the standers you need to get into heaven. However, note that if you disobey ONE of the ten commandments, which by breathing you are, as you spend more time breathing then you do worshiping god, you are no better then a mass murder who rapes victums and steals their stuff in the eyes of god, for you have still dissobeyed him. Live, however you want, for all you need to get into heaven is to agnolage jesus as the Lord of Lords, and agknolage his authority, and ask his forgivness, you will still make it to heaven.

My two cents

Hey there, Catholic type person! I'm not Catholic, myself. I'm Muslim.

According to Jack Chick, you guys invented Islam in order to wage war on Protestants (Jack Chick forgets that Islam was around 1,000 years before the Protestant Reformation, but hey, whatever gets him through the day).

Catholic, my soul is is sore and my spirit is feeling kind of scratchy. Am I coming down with a bad case of Satan? Or just a mild case of petty evil?

Hey I am Roman Catholic too (Irish-Canadian for those of you who care) And personally all this talk of heaven/hell gets me a little stressed out. Though I was brought up Catholic and try to visit His house on occasion... I personally believe that no matter what religion you subscribe to (for they all have collection of money/charity in there some where) I think we're all going up the same hill, just on a different path. That's the one I believe in. My God your God(s) it's all the same deal. And if you don't believe in any... you must believe in something to keep you on straight (sometimes curvey) path in life... even the best athieist amongst us won't go on a murder rampage in down town T.O. (Toronto for all you non Canucks). So; so long as we all just keep our heads up and a bit keep a bit of respect kickin around... We'll all do just fine. and forums like this will end up an honest discussion and not the '' you suck no you suck'' type deal.

*my two cents.*

"revealed religons" They are not reasonable in the least. It was revealed to Moses that God exists? And people believe that?

Why did an almighty God "reveal" himself to one person then expect people to believe that person when God gives reason and it is contrary to reason to believe someone who says that a bush was burning and God told me in his own voice to write down these laws? I am under no obligation to believe this Moses and certainly not believe the heresay that comes afterword.

Same goes for Mohammed or any other "revealed religon" I am under no obligation to believe them.

An almighty God would reveal himself to all people and then let them decide whether to have faith that it is God talking to them rather than man.

The God of the bible is more like a demon than a God.

Same goes for Mohammed or any other "revealed religon" I am under no obligation to believe them.


You're right ... you're not ... it even says so in Torah and Qur'an that you are under no obligation to believe them.

Brilliant.

Hello everyone, I'm Jordan...The Roman Catholic

Religion seems to be a hot topic as of late... So I thought I'd put this post up for those of you who want to ask questions, rant or otherwise insult about my religion and beliefs....

I'll try and give the straightest possible answer I can, however if your just insulting me and my religion...most likely I won't reply just so I won't escalate things TOO much...

Looking foward to hearing from you all...

I have a question/rant. Will Catholics actually follow anything their religion tells them to, regardless of things such as common sense? The main example I am talking about is homosexuality, but there are other examples where Catholics seem to follow rules and beliefs that were laid out hundreds of years ago with very little capacity to adapt. For example, I think it was only about 60 years or so ago that the Pope relieved Gallileo of being a heretic.
Also, back to sexuality, the only defence I have ever heard Catholics give for being homophobic is that the Bible tells them that gays are evil. At least with things like 'do not steal' the rest of us can understand why. How do other sexual preferences fit into the Catholic scheme of things? I assume bisexuals are probably evil but what about a-sexuals? The general scientific view on these at the moment seems to be that it is not entirely a matter of choice for the individuals.
One last point, what about hermaphrodites? If you assume from the bible that anyone who is not completly hetrosexual the same way as everyone else is evil, then technichally you could argue that hermaphrodites are being homosexual no matter which sex they choose. In fact, it seems to be a direct result of the Catholic beliefs that hermaphrodies, who are born the way they are, are evil. So does that mean God has made people who are damned if they do and damned if they don't?
So, is Catholicism too rigid or do you have a valid reply to each of my points?

Just a question for Sdaeriji if his still on after reading the post on the first page which are you the 'Evil' Athiest or the religios nut




and personaly (i know this'll annoy people but its the truth) most people use reliogion like a coat:
When it's too cold (people are just ignoring them), they wear it, and if there mistreated it's because there religious.
when it's mildly warm they wear it to stand out (were religious, if you don't follow my religion your going to hell)
and when it gets to hot they Either take it off or get a new one (like when the pope went back on his religion and said that evolution was true, or when henry the VIII created the protistant church so he could divorce his wife's)


ps sorry for the miss spelling (and i suppose the comment but it's true, in my opinion anyway)

I have a question/rant. Will Catholics actually follow anything their religion tells them to, regardless of things such as common sense? The main example I am talking about is homosexuality, but there are other examples where Catholics seem to follow rules and beliefs that were laid out hundreds of years ago with very little capacity to adapt. For example, I think it was only about 60 years or so ago that the Pope relieved Gallileo of being a heretic.
Also, back to sexuality, the only defence I have ever heard Catholics give for being homophobic is that the Bible tells them that gays are evil. At least with things like 'do not steal' the rest of us can understand why. How do other sexual preferences fit into the Catholic scheme of things? I assume bisexuals are probably evil but what about a-sexuals? The general scientific view on these at the moment seems to be that it is not entirely a matter of choice for the individuals.
One last point, what about hermaphrodites? If you assume from the bible that anyone who is not completly hetrosexual the same way as everyone else is evil, then technichally you could argue that hermaphrodites are being homosexual no matter which sex they choose. In fact, it seems to be a direct result of the Catholic beliefs that hermaphrodies, who are born the way they are, are evil. So does that mean God has made people who are damned if they do and damned if they don't?
So, is Catholicism too rigid or do you have a valid reply to each of my points?

Helloo, I'm Catholic, Irish background, and proud.

Tell me, where did you hear that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic Church? It is not, and its all there in the Catholic Catechism, the big book of what Catholics Believe, as endorsed by the Church after the Second Vatican Council. The Church achnowledges that homosexuals cannot choose their sexuallity, and calls for them to live a life of celebacy and commitment to God.

I'm a non-religious fellow (not a militant atheist) with a Catholic upbringing (attended a happy little Catholic private school for a few years before high school). Catholicism comes down the Portuguese side of my family. I love the movies "Saved" and "Dogma". I believe the latter is officially banned by the church.

The Church achnowledges that homosexuals cannot choose their sexuallity, and calls for them to live a life of celebacy and commitment to God.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The Church does change, just very...very...very...s-l-o-w-l-y...

I figure they'll let women be priests within 50 years.

Italian, Irish, or Polish?


Funny! Really.

I am Roman Catholic and Icelandic but when people ask me about my religion they seem to think that my family is Irish.

This is kind of random, and it isn't really a question, but it cracks me up, it really does.

The guy who used to live up the road from me went to a Catholic school, and when he was sixteen his best friend got expelled from school for having sex with a girl on the field (the girl didn't get expelled though). Anyway, the guy up the road kept telling me this story 'cause while all my teachers were going on about contraception and while we were being taught how to put condoms on root vegetables, the teachers at his school kept saying to this girl 'you'd better not have been using contraception, you know. You'll go to HELL.'

Actually, now I write it down it's not so funny. You probably need to be here.

This is kind of random, and it isn't really a question, but it cracks me up, it really does.

The guy who used to live up the road from me went to a Catholic school, and when he was sixteen his best friend got expelled from school for having sex with a girl on the field (the girl didn't get expelled though). Anyway, the guy up the road kept telling me this story 'cause while all my teachers were going on about contraception and while we were being taught how to put condoms on root vegetables, the teachers at his school kept saying to this girl 'you'd better not have been using contraception, you know. You'll go to HELL.'

Actually, now I write it down it's not so funny. You probably need to be here.

more scary than funny. the unwed pregnancy rate in my family is pretty high.

These threads always just end up as a big "You are dumb GOd doesnt exist!!!11!!11!!11!!eleven" and so on. You have good intentions, but this is going to end up with just trolls posting, and no one wants that.
Yeah that or “your all going to hell cause Jesus rules and you are all unforgivable sinners but god still loves you …gays are un natural and should all die …I may not have read the bible but I know what Jesus meant … “ so on and so forth
It happens

No, they always end up like so:



Perhaps I can put it in picture form:

http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues00/jun00/images/butting.jpg
Sorry Saderiji did it way better then me :) reffer to his/her post :)

You're right ... you're not ... it even says so in Torah and Qur'an that you are under no obligation to believe them.

Brilliant.

I am also not subject to any alleged punishment that a " God " would bestow since I am under no obligation to believe. Any rational being is not going to punish someone for not believing something when it is clear that is is not rational to do so. So God is either rational and will not punish those that do not believe alleged prophets or God is irrational.

I am also not subject to any alleged punishment that a " God " would bestow since I am under no obligation to believe. Any rational being is not going to punish someone for not believing something when it is clear that is is not rational to do so. So God is either rational and will not punish those that do not believe alleged prophets or God is irrational.
Though to be fair generaly there is no claim by the religion itself to being rational (members of the religion tend to like to believe they have rational explinations for things ... which they may have not saying that they are irrational people just everyone likes to think the best about something they hold true/believe in)

my god can beat up your god and his dad, and that shady friendly ghost character and still get back to the hall of heros before happy hour at the all you can drink mead pub in the basement.


yes valhalla has a fully furnished basement with a mead pub, and a disco(for the germans mainly, they're kinda weird that way).


my karma ran over your dogma...:P

So i will start off the hellish arguing.. As i am a roman catholic myself Im hoping you get this right, because so many christian nuts on this forum dont seem to get this little detail..

How bad do you think homosexuality is ? a sin ? one so bad to condem you to hell ?

Is homosexuality worse then say ... adultery (having an affair) ?

remember.. while it (homosexuality) may be considered a sin among us religious types.. it is a sin no different then masterbation, malice toward your neigbor, or premartial sexual relations ... but adultery is a captial sin .. Every person who has an affair and does not realize the gravity of their act has broken one of the 10 commandments.. the consequces there in are.. undeniable

why do you have to make up stupid rules just to point out the obvious? people don't feel bad for committing adultery because it breaks a commandment, they feel bad because it is wrong...plain and simple....course, if they don't feel bad, they've got some morality problems...nothing to do with religion...

"revealed religons" They are not reasonable in the least. It was revealed to Moses that God exists? And people believe that?

Why did an almighty God "reveal" himself to one person then expect people to believe that person when God gives reason and it is contrary to reason to believe someone who says that a bush was burning and God told me in his own voice to write down these laws? I am under no obligation to believe this Moses and certainly not believe the heresay that comes afterword.

Same goes for Mohammed or any other "revealed religon" I am under no obligation to believe them.

An almighty God would reveal himself to all people and then let them decide whether to have faith that it is God talking to them rather than man.

The God of the bible is more like a demon than a God.

maybe he's just shy :P

Helloo, I'm Catholic, Irish background, and proud.

Tell me, where did you hear that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic Church? It is not, and its all there in the Catholic Catechism, the big book of what Catholics Believe, as endorsed by the Church after the Second Vatican Council. The Church achnowledges that homosexuals cannot choose their sexuallity, and calls for them to live a life of celebacy and commitment to God.

In fact this fellow is right... being homosexual within of itself is not a sin in the eyes of the Chruch.

Homosexual relations is the sin.... Within the Catholic church the belif is no sexual relations may exists outside the institution of marriage. Premartial sex is considered a sin itself, and marriage is defined as an institution between a man and a woman within the bible. And once committed to marriage (a union under god) you may have no sexsual realation with anyone outside that relationship, even after the death of on partner. To this note, Homosexual relations are sinful in that they fall into the category of premartial sexual relations and are inherently wrong. However, to suggest one is going straight to hell because of such relations is to make the same suggestion everyone who curses is going straight to hell (since there is no differentiation between sins in the matter). The only garantee (of your one way ticket to hell) is to committ a captial sin (ie. adultery) and not experiance repentance in gods eyes. In fact it is not wrong to be homosexual as long as you do not act on those homosexual desires..

So i will start off the hellish arguing.. As i am a roman catholic myself Im hoping you get this right, because so many christian nuts on this forum dont seem to get this little detail..

How bad do you think homosexuality is ? a sin ? one so bad to condem you to hell ?

Is homosexuality worse then say ... adultery (having an affair) ?

remember.. while it (homosexuality) may be considered a sin among us religious types.. it is a sin no different then masterbation, malice toward your neigbor, or premartial sexual relations ... but adultery is a captial sin .. Every person who has an affair and does not realize the gravity of their act has broken one of the 10 commandments.. the consequces there in are.. undeniable

Being Homosexual is not a sin... To act upon it is a sin, because it is giving into lust and desire which puts it pretty much on the same part as Adultery...

However, Homosexuals are human beings just like you and I... And God gave us the freedom and responsibility of choice, so we cannot judge them for anything they do... Because since we have the freedom and responsibility of choice we also sin everyday as well, so we cannot look and judge someone elses sins unless we are able to follow every commandment to the letter...and even then we cannot because we must love our neighbor no matter what he or she does...

remember.. while it (homosexuality) may be considered a sin among us religious types..

(The following was in respone to one of my posts not Invidentia's one above)
Tell me, where did you hear that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic Church? It is not, and its all there in the Catholic Catechism, the big book of what Catholics Believe, as endorsed by the Church after the Second Vatican Council.

Can someone please tell me, does the Catholic church officially currently preach homosexuality to be a sin? I thought it did but now one Catholic here has said it does, and another has said it doesn't. Does anyone have a recent quote from the pope or something to clear up the matter?

Being Homosexual is not a sin... To act upon it is a sin, because it is giving into lust and desire which puts it pretty much on the same part as Adultery...

However, Homosexuals are human beings just like you and I... And God gave us the freedom and responsibility of choice, so we cannot judge them for anything they do... Because since we have the freedom and responsibility of choice we also sin everyday as well, so we cannot look and judge someone elses sins unless we are able to follow every commandment to the letter...and even then we cannot because we must love our neighbor no matter what he or she does...

yes.. i know... i just stated that fact not one post above yours ^_^ (Being a homosexual not actually being a sin .. but rather the act itself)

However, you trying to put the act of homosexuality on par with adultery is a misinterpretation... Adultery is clearly outlined as sexual relations outside the institution of marriage and is a peversion of a union made under god directly violating the oaths you take on the alter. Giving into desire and lust are far lesser sins, as these are the same as giving into temptation. There are varying degrees of sins ... orginal sin, sin itself (everyday sins), and captial sins (among the most egregious... breaking any of the 10 commandments)

And while we can't follow the word of god at every pass... breaking one of the 10 commandments is still a captial sin (if you go out and shoot someone you got a real problem heaven/hell wise)...

Now, I will not tell you god does not exist, I belive in him, I am christian, however, one thing I must tell you, Stay away from the catholic church! I have nothing against catholics, they are just normal people, but the church is MOSTLY in a power grab. THe church trys to raise the standers you need to get into heaven. However, note that if you disobey ONE of the ten commandments, which by breathing you are, as you spend more time breathing then you do worshiping god, you are no better then a mass murder who rapes victums and steals their stuff in the eyes of god, for you have still dissobeyed him. Live, however you want, for all you need to get into heaven is to agnolage jesus as the Lord of Lords, and agknolage his authority, and ask his forgivness, you will still make it to heaven.

My two cents

I am a Roman Catholic and the Roman Catholic Church isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be....

If we were in the Medieval Times, then yes you would be correct in your state about the church wanting power and obtaining it through fear...

But it would still not change my mind... I believe in my Religion and the Church for the messages of hope and happiness it brings...

The clergy of today is far better then the clergy of the past...

As well the Vatican does not regulate the standards....as there are not standards...only guidelines which it is up to you follow or not...

Thank you for your comment! :D

In fact it is not wrong to be homosexual as long as you do not act on those homosexual desires..

So, if homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual, then that means God made them that way. But if having gay sex is a sin, then correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that mean that God has made people with a natural disposition to sin? Therefore we do not really have free will, God is fixing us to be more or less disposed to it?

(The following was in respone to one of my posts not Invidentia's one above)


Can someone please tell me, does the Catholic church officially currently preach homosexuality to be a sin? I thought it did but now one Catholic here has said it does, and another has said it doesn't. Does anyone have a recent quote from the pope or something to clear up the matter?

Im sorry i mispoke.. when i said homosexuality i was refering to the ACT of homosexuality not the reality of being homosexual itself... To be homosexual is NOT i repeat NOT a sin... but to act on the desire of homosexuality is.. because it falls along the lines of premarital sex which IS a sin

"revealed religons" They are not reasonable in the least. It was revealed to Moses that God exists? And people believe that?

Why did an almighty God "reveal" himself to one person then expect people to believe that person when God gives reason and it is contrary to reason to believe someone who says that a bush was burning and God told me in his own voice to write down these laws? I am under no obligation to believe this Moses and certainly not believe the heresay that comes afterword.

Same goes for Mohammed or any other "revealed religon" I am under no obligation to believe them.

An almighty God would reveal himself to all people and then let them decide whether to have faith that it is God talking to them rather than man.

The God of the bible is more like a demon than a God.

God did not just reveal himself to Moses, but also to many others such as Noah, ect;

However, the fact that God does not reveal himself to everyone is because it is yet another test of faith... though God does reveal himself to you in other ways...such as the good feeling you get after having a long prayer....

However...like everything in life it is of your choice wether to believe in something or not and it is not an obligation to believe in anything you don't think exists at all...

Im sorry i mispoke.. when i said homosexuality i was refering to the ACT of homosexuality not the reality of being homosexual itself... To be homosexual is NOT i repeat NOT a sin... but to act on the desire of homosexuality is.. because it falls along the lines of premarital sex which IS a sin

Thank you for clearing that up, but as I just said in another post just above, doesn't that mean that because homosexuals are naturally made by God to be more disposed to sin? Also, are you against gay marriage, because surely that would make the act of homosexuality legal and unsinfull?

I have a question/rant. Will Catholics actually follow anything their religion tells them to, regardless of things such as common sense? The main example I am talking about is homosexuality, but there are other examples where Catholics seem to follow rules and beliefs that were laid out hundreds of years ago with very little capacity to adapt. For example, I think it was only about 60 years or so ago that the Pope relieved Gallileo of being a heretic.
Also, back to sexuality, the only defence I have ever heard Catholics give for being homophobic is that the Bible tells them that gays are evil. At least with things like 'do not steal' the rest of us can understand why. How do other sexual preferences fit into the Catholic scheme of things? I assume bisexuals are probably evil but what about a-sexuals? The general scientific view on these at the moment seems to be that it is not entirely a matter of choice for the individuals.
One last point, what about hermaphrodites? If you assume from the bible that anyone who is not completly hetrosexual the same way as everyone else is evil, then technichally you could argue that hermaphrodites are being homosexual no matter which sex they choose. In fact, it seems to be a direct result of the Catholic beliefs that hermaphrodies, who are born the way they are, are evil. So does that mean God has made people who are damned if they do and damned if they don't?
So, is Catholicism too rigid or do you have a valid reply to each of my points?

Roman Catholicism is certainly not homophobic, however quite a few of Catholic followers probrably are and are using Catholicism as an excuse to voice against homosexuality...

The religion itself does not think Homosexuality is a sin, but the act of it is...since it does not follow God's plan that a man and a woman produce children... However even in that case Catholics are told not to judge anyone for the actions they take for a sin is a sin.... for if you commit a sin and your neighbor commits a sin you are equals...regardless of what you did or what your neighbor did... So therefore you cannot judge someone for sinning...especially if you commit a sin yourself however small....

So to answer your question...Roman Catholicism does not view homosexuals as evil...nor bisexuals...nor hermaphrodites or asexuals ect;

They were given the freedom and responsibility of choice... It was up to them in the beginning and it still will be in the end...

Thank you for your rant/ question!

Hello everyone, I'm Jordan...The Roman Catholic

Religion seems to be a hot topic as of late... So I thought I'd put this post up for those of you who want to ask questions, rant or otherwise insult about my religion and beliefs....

I'll try and give the straightest possible answer I can, however if your just insulting me and my religion...most likely I won't reply just so I won't escalate things TOO much...

Looking foward to hearing from you all...

If it was possible, would you like to be the pope? Thanks for answering in advance. :)

Funny! Really.

I am Roman Catholic and Icelandic but when people ask me about my religion they seem to think that my family is Irish.

Heh, yeah. It's just a joke, though. It's probably slightly to do with living here in Boston, what with the tremendous amount of Italians and Irish.

Sorry Saderiji did it way better then me reffer to his/her post

Thanks! :)

If it was possible, would you like to be the pope? Thanks for answering in advance. :)

No...I wouldn't....his job is quite hard and I don't know if I would be able to do it....

Thank you for your question

Tell me about Pope Pious the IX. Not not the second one...the first one.

Tell me about Pope Pious the IX. Not not the second one...the first one.

You mean the one that had siezures and ensured the sovereignty of the Vatican State during the Italian war of independance?

Thank you for clearing that up, but as I just said in another post just above, doesn't that mean that because homosexuals are naturally made by God to be more disposed to sin? Also, are you against gay marriage, because surely that would make the act of homosexuality legal and unsinfull?

First off.. i feel homosexuals are no more predisposed to sin then those who are born with uncontrolable anger issues, or those who tend to be envious of others ..etc. Every person has something making them more predisposed to some type of sin then another person.. But these are all tasks which we must face. We are each given choice, and the ability to make whatever choice we wish weather it be bad or good.

Yes.. i am absolutly against gay marraige, because that process is seeking to redefine marriage so that it includes gay couples (which it currently excludes) just as one might want to redefine marriage so that three people could be married to each other or four or 5 all in the same marriage....

Marriage is described in the bible as a union between only two people both a man and a woman... and has concurrently been the tradtion in governmental terms throughout the history in western culture that marriage be between man and woman, weather it be for love, politics, economics, societal acceptace (what have you)...

A mere redefinition in a legal sense will not make the act of homosexuality any less of a sin, and i do not see the necessity to break with centuries of tradition.. if the issue is the liberties granted under marriage, i feel perhaps those incentives given out by the government should then be revoked for married couples... TAx breaks, and inheritance laws are simply incentives to marriage.. not inaliable rights... and should not be thougth of such.

I am a Roman Catholic and the Roman Catholic Church isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be....

If we were in the Medieval Times, then yes you would be correct in your state about the church wanting power and obtaining it through fear...

But it would still not change my mind... I believe in my Religion and the Church for the messages of hope and happiness it brings...

The clergy of today is far better then the clergy of the past...

As well the Vatican does not regulate the standards....as there are not standards...only guidelines which it is up to you follow or not...

Thank you for your comment! :D
I was a member of thus for stated church (roman catholic) and I found it to be a MASSIVE power grab on the small scale (old farmers wives proclaiming devotion to church to gain positions in church event planning and such) all that sort of thing … all building up to the priest as head who ruled like a dictator on everything irregardless of ability (his position as spiritual advisor does NOT qualify him to be financial advisor of the local catholic school)

Then I switched parishes and found the same damn thing over and over … went to a catholic collage that also did prep work and integrated for those taking the vows and found the same to be true among priests … with the bishop as head. It was all so silly for people supposedly intent on spiritual advising they were worse then politicians (making promises appealing to spiritual strength and devotion)

Organized religion specially Catholicism with all the organization and dogma built in is really ridiculous that it could in anyway approximate what some divine being would wish for his/her followers (note I am saying the organization not the faith)

Hello everyone, I'm Jordan...The Roman Catholic

Religion seems to be a hot topic as of late... So I thought I'd put this post up for those of you who want to ask questions, rant or otherwise insult about my religion and beliefs....

I'll try and give the straightest possible answer I can, however if your just insulting me and my religion...most likely I won't reply just so I won't escalate things TOO much...

Looking foward to hearing from you all...

Questions, huh?

How can you reconcile your personnal beliefs with the church's doctrine on matters like abortion, contraception, homosexuality, the place of women in society and in the church, etc?

Technically, I'm supposed to be a roman catholic as well. I was baptised, and confirmed. But I feel slighted by that, because all of it happened before I was old enough to undrestand what was going on, much less protest on the conservativism of the church on certain social and political issues with which I disagree completely.

Personnally, I plan to get apostasied(is that the right word in english, or am I inventing a new crossbreed in Franglish?), which is basically be debaptised. Not necessarily because I don't believe in God(I'm agnostic), or because I think the message from Jesus contained in the new testament is worthless(it isn't), but rather because I view the roman Catholic Church as a political tool for greedy and power-mongering human beings who, througout the last 2000 years, have managed to distort the message contained in the Gospels to fit their own ends.

Any thoughts/reactions?

God did not just reveal himself to Moses, but also to many others such as Noah, ect;

However, the fact that God does not reveal himself to everyone is because it is yet another test of faith... though God does reveal himself to you in other ways...such as the good feeling you get after having a long prayer....

However...like everything in life it is of your choice wether to believe in something or not and it is not an obligation to believe in anything you don't think exists at all...

I never stated that I do not believe in God. Just not in the God of the bible I will put a what I think is a great quote.

"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible. "

Thomas Paine.


I most certainly believe in God however the bible is possiblely the most abhorrant writing to ever exist IMO. I am a deist not an atheist.

I never stated that I do not believe in God. Just not in the God of the bible I will put a what I think is a great quote.

"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible. "

Thomas Paine.


I most certainly believe in God however the bible is possiblely the most abhorrant writing to ever exist IMO. I am a deist not an atheist.


All and all if I decided there was a way to believe in any sort of diety I would be strait up diest. I can not believe in an organized religion ... so much bs

All and all if I decided there was a way to believe in any sort of diety I would be strait up diest. I can not believe in an organized religion ... so much bs

I used to be a christian. Until I started using my God given reason. Looking at all the logical dilemmas in the bible. They use fear to get you to believe.

Fear that you will rot in a fiery hell. I feel for it when young but the more I studied the more reason took over.

I still hold strongly that there is a God I think it is very reasonable to look at the world and see the evidence of creation. It all fits together so nicely each aspect working off the other.

I used to be a christian. Until I started using my God given reason. Looking at all the logical dilemmas in the bible. They use fear to get you to believe.

Fear that you will rot in a fiery hell. I feel for it when young but the more I studied the more reason took over.

I still hold strongly that there is a God I think it is very reasonable to look at the world and see the evidence of creation. It all fits together so nicely each aspect working off the other.
I see the same thing in a non dietistic way the wonder of everything (but that leads you to ponder why it is that it seems so wonderfull ... which has to be influenced by my perceptions) meaning anything that was along aline with things that my history has taught me to be good would be wonderfull

I dont know If I am explaining this correctly ... just essentialy that my view of wonderfull would change if I was not who I am or had the history I did. so using wonder in an arguement is kind of hard as wonderfull is subjective

First off.. i feel homosexuals are no more predisposed to sin then those who are born with uncontrolable anger issues, or those who tend to be envious of others ..etc. Every person has something making them more predisposed to some type of sin then another person.. But these are all tasks which we must face. We are each given choice, and the ability to make whatever choice we wish weather it be bad or good.

Yes.. i am absolutly against gay marraige, because that process is seeking to redefine marriage so that it includes gay couples (which it currently excludes) just as one might want to redefine marriage so that three people could be married to each other or four or 5 all in the same marriage....

Marriage is described in the bible as a union between only two people both a man and a woman... and has concurrently been the tradtion in governmental terms throughout the history in western culture that marriage be between man and woman, weather it be for love, politics, economics, societal acceptace (what have you)...

A mere redefinition in a legal sense will not make the act of homosexuality any less of a sin, and i do not see the necessity to break with centuries of tradition.. if the issue is the liberties granted under marriage, i feel perhaps those incentives given out by the government should then be revoked for married couples... TAx breaks, and inheritance laws are simply incentives to marriage.. not inaliable rights... and should not be thougth of such.

But surely you can't argue as you did that the act of homosexuality is a sin because it is premaritial sex, but then say that homosexuals can never marry. It would be like Hindus saying that anyone who is not a Hindu is sinning, even though non Hindus can not convert to it.
You say that being predisposed to homosexuality is like being predisposed to anger or jealousy, but while in a genetic sense homosexual love does not progress our species in the same way as hetrosexual love, it is in no way harmful to the rest of society. Being angry at someone or jealous of someone can hurt other people, but how can anyone else be affected by acts of homosexuality?
Actually, this whole point raises another interesting point about beiing predisposed to sin. While you say that everyone is predisposed to some sin or another, you have to admit that some are more disposed than others, and to worse sins. So that seems to destroy the idea that we are all created equal and our actions are completly decided by our free will and that we will be judged accordingly. What if there are some people who are predisposed so much that they will almost certainly sin? Must they be doomed to go to Hell? LIkewise, should people who are predisposed so little to sin that they will almost certainly not sin be allowed into Heaven? The sinner may have tried harder not to sin than the non-sinner.

You mean the one that had siezures and ensured the sovereignty of the Vatican State during the Italian war of independance?

Maybe I have my names mixed. I mean the one who was so bad that no Pope would take His name for over a hundred years.

my karma ran over your dogma...:P

Monkey Island?

I just want to add this side note that most people tend to over look. When people think of the Catholic Church they think of an institution that is corupt and power hungry, but has in its doctrine been declared the true religion of God. The thing that people forget is that the Catholic Church is run by humans, and humans are naturally goin to commite sin, and not always do the right thing according to the rest of the world. The religion its self I believe is the way to God. Don't get me wrong I'm not sayin that you have to be Catholic inorder to get to heaven, but the way to live your life tought by the Catholic Church, to share your spirituallity in a community, that's what I believe as the true way into heaven.

Another thing I would like to address by an early post about, why God doesn't show Himself to the world and let everyone choose, for example Moses, having God show Himself to Moses, and everyone following,Moses's word. The Catholic Church's stance on the issue/question is that, one, God shouldn't have to show Himself to us, or the idea behind human's freewill would be ruined, because we wouldn't have the opion to believe or not to believe, is He told everyone he existed. Second, God has revealed Himself to us through His son Jesus. Jesus, left his teachings with his followers (The Apostles), and the head of the Catholic Church with Peter, inorder to spread Jesus's teaching to other people, and to be God's Ambassador to earth. The fact that we have a pope is the tradition of a head of the Church as God's Ambassador to the world, starting with the first pope Peter. It's all about tradition.

Hi topic creator! I'm a Roman Catholic too, and I want to say hello :) . Happy Lent. May God bless you in your faith and may it grow stronger each day. If you would like to talk with me about Catholicism feel free to PM me or just ask here.

I see the same thing in a non dietistic way the wonder of everything (but that leads you to ponder why it is that it seems so wonderfull ... which has to be influenced by my perceptions) meaning anything that was along aline with things that my history has taught me to be good would be wonderfull

I dont know If I am explaining this correctly ... just essentialy that my view of wonderfull would change if I was not who I am or had the history I did. so using wonder in an arguement is kind of hard as wonderfull is subjective

I think I am following you. I think you can look at the world and see the hand of a creator. I find it hard to believe when looking at everything that it just happened randomly. To many things are necessary to co-exist like plants and animals and bees and pollen etc etc. It appears to be made. I also think it is quite wonderful to behold.

I have two unrelated questions.

Firstly, what do you think of the book of revelations and its meaning/s?

Secondly, assuming that the Catholic church no longer thinks its heresy to translate the Bible into Languages other than Latin once it had been translated into Latin from the Greek, what kind of Bible do they endorse? Sorry, that didn't come out right. What I mean is; is there a special translation? For example: Do you use the King James Bible or some some other translation? Is it a translation done especially by the church? Is there a 'standard' Bible?

Questions, huh?

How can you reconcile your personnal beliefs with the church's doctrine on matters like abortion, contraception, homosexuality, the place of women in society and in the church, etc?

Technically, I'm supposed to be a roman catholic as well. I was baptised, and confirmed. But I feel slighted by that, because all of it happened before I was old enough to undrestand what was going on, much less protest on the conservativism of the church on certain social and political issues with which I disagree completely.

Personnally, I plan to get apostasied(is that the right word in english, or am I inventing a new crossbreed in Franglish?), which is basically be debaptised. Not necessarily because I don't believe in God(I'm agnostic), or because I think the message from Jesus contained in the new testament is worthless(it isn't), but rather because I view the roman Catholic Church as a political tool for greedy and power-mongering human beings who, througout the last 2000 years, have managed to distort the message contained in the Gospels to fit their own ends.

Any thoughts/reactions?


Like any religion or organization... People will use anything to gain power...

I am certainly not excusing those that do use the Roman Catholic Church as a way of gaining power...

However, the Roman Catholic Church is in no way a power-hungry monster...

I don't know why people assume it is always the Church's fault for the actions of a person... Especially when those people are in the minority of Catholic followers...

As for the Homosexuality...it's been stated many times before that Homosexuality is not a sin...it's the act that is a sin... However like every human being we were given the power of choice and the responsibility of our actions...

For women in the eyes of the Church it was allready stated as well after the Reformation that women are whoever they choose to be...
The fact they can't be clergy is merly because of tradition...not sexism...

Contraception...I use it... I'll be accounted for it in the end... But I'm no saint...

And abortion...your killing a child that could be a great person... But like I said before... Power and responsibility of choice...

Sigh...

Anyway, thank you very much for your comment and question...always appreciated... :D

I never stated that I do not believe in God. Just not in the God of the bible I will put a what I think is a great quote.

"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible. "

Thomas Paine.


I most certainly believe in God however the bible is possiblely the most abhorrant writing to ever exist IMO. I am a deist not an atheist.

Perhaps you missread what I said...

I wasn't saying that you believe in God...I was only answering your question and the stating that you have the power and responsibility to choose what you believe in...

I apologize for the mistake... :D

Question:

"Hypothetically, if I have been banned from participated in eucharist or any of the other sacrements for calling the Pope a pedophile and supporting a woman's right over her body. Have I been excommunicated, or just pissed off?"

I have two unrelated questions.

Firstly, what do you think of the book of revelations and its meaning/s?

Secondly, assuming that the Catholic church no longer thinks its heresy to translate the Bible into Languages other than Latin once it had been translated into Latin from the Greek, what kind of Bible do they endorse? Sorry, that didn't come out right. What I mean is; is there a special translation? For example: Do you use the King James Bible or some some other translation? Is it a translation done especially by the church? Is there a 'standard' Bible?

By all means...whatever you wish to ask...ask away...

To answer your first question, The Book Of Revelations as I see is a prophecy of the coming Judgement Day... When the ultimate test of faith will be put upon those of the Christian Faith... I think it speaks truth, but because this document requires much more study and there are so many theories that surround it...It would be both unfair to you and to anyone else who might have that question for me to come up with an answer that I can't give...

Now your second question...
The bible has several translations which you are of course aware of, and different Christian factions along with several groups within the Catholic Church often debate the true meanings of the Bible...

The reason why the Catholic Church wanted the Bible to stay in Latin was because of two things...
1.) The Great Schism...When the Church Of The West (Catholicism) and the Church Of The East (Orthodox) split apart because of their debate about wether Jesus was totally divine...or was part divine and part mortal...
2.) Christiandom... Unfortunately in the medieval times, the Catholic Church was under the control of politicians "disguised" as clergymen... Because you could gain so much power and prestige by simply becoming a clergymen and pretending to be faithful to the Catholic religion...you could avoid having to work extremely hard as a solider or a peasant... To keep this power the "clergymen" enforced these rules to keep the power of Christiandom under the control of Papal States...

The Bible in the end is how you interpit it... And your religion provides you a guideline...

I hope that helps...

Thank you for your question and comment!

Question:

"Hypothetically, if I have been banned from participated in eucharist or any of the other sacrements for calling the Pope a pedophile and supporting a woman's right over her body. Have I been excommunicated, or just pissed off?"

Though I don't fully understand what your trying to ask... I'll try to answer anyway and hope that it was what you were looking for...

Excommunication is when you are banned from the Catholic Church alltogather... You wouldn't be allowed to even enter a Church unless your intentions were to repent and to ask forgiveness...

However...Excommunication is a very RARE occurance...

So to answer your question you technically are...

Thank you for your question

Firstly, what do you think of the book of revelations and its meaning/s?

depends who you ask, some see it as a prophecy

in my religion class I was taught it was probobly (no one can ever know for sure) a secret code used by early Christians, because mystic prophecies would be more easily explained than Christian writings

several examples point to this; in the hebrew alphabet every letter is assigned a numberical value, when the numerical value for the name of the ferverently anti-Christian Roman emperor who ruled at the time is added together it comes to 666

so in conclusion the prophecies were (many believe) actually writings by Chrsitian prophets, missionaries and priests about their current situation in the Roman empire

Question:

"Hypothetically, if I have been banned from participated in eucharist or any of the other sacrements for calling the Pope a pedophile and supporting a woman's right over her body. Have I been excommunicated, or just pissed off?"

well, while no action can be taken against you for dissing the Pope your bishop can suspend you from communion for public pro-abortion statments and actions(happened to john kerry)

so no, you wouldn't be ex-communicated you'd just be in trouble

Though I don't fully understand what your trying to ask... I'll try to answer anyway and hope that it was what you were looking for...

Excommunication is when you are banned from the Catholic Church alltogather... You wouldn't be allowed to even enter a Church unless your intentions were to repent and to ask forgiveness...

However...Excommunication is a very RARE occurance...

So to answer your question you technically are...

Thank you for your question
Crap...

For the situation is purely hypthetical. I'm a practising Catholic, who just happens to disagree on most matters of doctrine. So you don't have to fear automatic-excommunication by talking to me. :)

By thet way, for once I'm actually sticking to Lent! Four days without chocolate! And counting!

For the situation is purely hypthetical. I'm a practising Catholic, who just happens to disagree on most matters of doctrine. So you don't have to fear automatic-excommunication by talking to me. :)

By thet way, for once I'm actually sticking to Lent! Four days without chocolate! And counting!

remeber, you can dissagree, this isn't facism

but your efforts must be focused on trying to change the Church, not to work outside it

Crap...

For the situation is purely hypthetical. I'm a practising Catholic, who just happens to disagree on most matters of doctrine. So you don't have to fear automatic-excommunication by talking to me. :)

By thet way, for once I'm actually sticking to Lent! Four days without chocolate! And counting!

Hey...There are several different groups in the Roman Catholic religion who view things differently...that's why the Church has debates on different things such as Bible Translations to other things such as homosexuality and so on...

I have to say, I'm dismayed by the attitude that even several Roman Catholics here have toward the history of their Church, concerning its allegedly being a power-hungry organization. I used to think this way as well, before I became Catholic, but when I really began to look into the issues (with God given reason, to borrow another poster's phrase) I discovered that a lot of the stereotypes of the Church and a lot of the so-called corruption and scandals simply aren't given a deep enough investigation. Broadbrushing the Church as a power-hungry political institution based on the decadencies of a few Renaissance popes and some assorted unjust actions is wrong, and ignores the massive contributions the Church made even in the so-called "Dark Ages" and Medieval times. I have since learned to greatly appreciate the history of this great organization as a force of spirituality, community, education, justice, and more. Plus, I believe that all the doctrines stand up quite well to reason and honest intellectual inquiry.

I think the problem is that many who critisize the Church start out with the assumption the God dosn't exist or the Jesus wasn't the sun of God

if you don't have those two things covered any critisism will be overshadowed by doubt, suspician and contempt

To conserve space.

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

lol! :D I will refer you to my post in the "Catholic Club" thread. Actually, that site is the perfect example of the idiotic list of "contradictions" that some skeptics who have less brains than they think they have tend to come up with, that I just posted about in that thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=397846&page=2 Towards the bottom of the page.

I just wanted to say thankyou for taking the time to answer my questions Filofwe. :)