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Kfalls Man has suicide pact.

Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 07:10
Friday, February 11, 2005
Community News


Hearts and death

Friday, February 11, 2005 2:20 PM PST


This is the house at 2150 Madison St. where Gerald Dean Krein Jr. lived with his parents. Krein was charged Thursday with using the Internet to solicit people across the country and in Canada to join a suicide pact and kill themselves on Valentine's Day.



Authorities seek suicide pact members

Published February 11, 2005

By DYLAN DARLING

and MARCIA McGONIGLE

Police across the country are scrambling to track down people who agreed to a Valentine's Day suicide pact thought to be masterminded by a Klamath Falls man.

"Our goal here is to move quickly to try to keep people safe," said Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger. "The clock's ticking here." Valentine's Day is Monday.



The suicide pact was hatched in a Yahoo chat room created by Gerald Dean Krein Jr., 26, of 2150 Madison St., authorities said.

At least 32 people around the country and Canada were thought to be involved, but Evinger is concerned that the number could be larger.

"We could just be scratching the surface since (the Internet) is worldwide," he said.

The sheriff said Krein created a chat room that would attract those who may be considering suicide.

"Through the name it was very apparent what the topic was," Evinger said. He would not disclose the name of the chat room.

Krein was arraigned Thursday on a charge of solicitation to commit murder. He was in the Klamath County Jail this morning, and a grand jury is expected to hear the case Monday. Judge Roxanne Osborne set his bail at $100,000. According to court documents, Krein began using Yahoo instant messaging Jan. 16 to solicit people to join a "suicide party."
Wesley Grabowski said he had talked to his next-door neighbor, Gerald Dean Krein Jr., a couple of times. The Krein family moved there more than a month ago.
"Krein was attempting to solicit women and children into suicide," Detective Monty Holloway wrote in one of the few court documents made public so far. "Krein described his method of suicide by hanging."

Other court documents, including affidavits and the results of a search warrant, were sealed. Investigators said disclosing details would jeopardize the case.

Investigators described various possibilities for the site of the suicides: a gathering at Krein's home; at various locations around the country and Canada, possibly linked through Web cameras; or both in Klamath Falls and elsewhere.

District Attorney Ed Caleb said a suicide pact in itself is not a crime, but it is a felony to cause, motivate or solicit another person to commit suicide.
Klamath County Jail photo Gerald Dean Krein Jr.
The charge against Krein so far is based on evidence that one of his solicitations involved a mother who agreed to murder her two children.

"It was a perceivable threat to the children and parties involved," said Capt. Chris Montenaro of the Klamath County Sheriff's Department.

"We're trying to identify the woman who said she was going to take her children with her," Evinger said. "We're moving along rapidly on that." Evinger was in Seattle Thursday, along with Caleb, Klamath Falls School Superintendent Cec Amuchastegui and others, attending a conference on school violence.

Authorities don't believe the pact included anyone else from Klamath Falls, or that anyone involved with the pact had traveled to Klamath Falls.

Because those said to be in the suicide plot met each other over the Internet, the scope of the investigation is broad, and finding the people is difficult, Montenaro said.

"(The Internet) certainly brings a lot of people together who may be thinking similarly, who fed on comments and suggestions of other individuals," he said.

This isn't the first time Krein has attempted to involve people in a suicide pact, authorities said.

A Klamath Falls police officer questioned Krein Sept. 9 after receiving a tip from out of state, Caleb said. Krein, who lived on Francis Street at the time, denied any involvement, and no charges were filed.

"This time we have direct evidence" to support a charge, Montenaro said.

Local authorities are working with Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as well as with experts on Internet crime.

The possibility of a mass suicide on Valentine's Day has captured the attention of network television and CNN.

Evinger was interviewed from Seattle on a CNN news talk show, and was contacted about appearing on ABCs "Good Morning America." He was also interviewed on a Friday morning Fox news show.

Klamath County sheriff's deputies said they got a tip about the most recent suicide pact. The tipster is from Canada and had direct knowledge of the suicide plans.

Investigators then uncovered correspondence about the woman and her plans to murder her children as part of the pact. Detectives obtained a search warrant for Krein's home.

Krein was arrested Wednesday afternoon. Detectives seized a computer and miscellaneous computer equipment, including CDs and hard drives.

Authorities suspect Krein tried to erase evidence from one of his hard drives, Caleb said.

After his arrest, deputies took him to Merle West Medical Center so doctors could determine his mental stability, Caleb said.

Doctors could not find any medical reason to admit Krein to the hospital, and he was then booked at the jail.

Authorities said there is no evidence of religious ties or cult affiliation behind the suicide pact.

"I can't even imagine the motivation behind this," Caleb said.

Krein moved to Klamath Falls from northern California about a year ago and doesn't have a criminal record in Oregon. Investigators are still checking into his background in California.

He lives with his parents in a three-bedroom, one-bath mobile home about a block and a half north of South Sixth Street.

The house is tan-sided and green-roofed with a white addition. In one front window is a no parking sign, in another a photo of Don Knotts as Barney Fife. In the same window is a life-size figure of a hand displaying its middle finger in insult.

In the backyard, there was a large pile of empty cardboard boxes, many for shelves, a barbecue and other furniture.

Krein's parents, Kaye and Gerald Krein Sr., purchased the house Dec. 16, and the family has lived there just over a month. Krein's mother told police that her son was a caretaker for his father, who is disabled.

Neighbors hadn't seen or heard much of the family until a few days ago, when a woman in the house lambasted workers who were installing windows across the street at a house owned by Nicole and Charles Hammond.

The window crew members were sitting on the tailgate of their truck in the Hammond's driveway, eating sandwiches, when the woman came out of the house and told them they shouldn't be there.

"She started screaming at them and flipping them off," said Nicole Hammond said. "She called Mountain View Window and Door and said they had no right to be there."

The Hammonds have three children, ages 16, 13 and 10, and Nicole Hammond operates a day care out of her home.

She saw the arrest Wednesday, and said a plain-clothes officer knocked on the front door and ended up kicking it in. Sheriff's deputies arrested Krein and led him out the back of the house, she said.

She described him as burly.

"He looks like a mountain man, someone who doesn't frequent town much."

Next-door neighbor Wesley Grabowski talked to Krein only a couple of times.

"Every now and then it was a 'Hi, how you doing?' " he said. He said Krein wore tie-dyed T-shirts and looked "kind of hippieish."

Nicole Hammond is concerned about her children if Krein returns to the neighborhood.

"I have a day care and if he comes back, I'll get a petition," she said.

Trisha Vilhauer who works at Rick's Smoke Shop across the street saw the arrest Wednesday and heard stories from neighbors about Krein.

"My main concern is my kids go to school here," she said, referring to Shasta Elementary located a few blocks away. "I was not going to let them walk home from school anymore."
Nation of Fortune
14-02-2005, 07:14
Holy shit! Kalamath Falls is like an hour away!
Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 07:16
really you live in medford? or so .
Nation of Fortune
14-02-2005, 07:18
actually it's a bit further than that I was just saying that I live in Oregon, I live closer to Salem.
Sessyland
14-02-2005, 07:29
thats insane

and modertly disgusting
Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 07:31
oh
Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 17:31
Man we made national news yea. i will post more atricles as i can get them
Neo-Anarchists
14-02-2005, 17:52
Man we made national news yea.
It was even on my local Vermont news station!
Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 17:56
wow. well i guess that he sent this all over the states and canada and they are trying to stop it so no one kills themselves. My friend dan the sheriff is his dad and he had been all over the news. The acuatlly had a sexual fantasy to see the women hang naked. i found this out because it was in the sunday paper but they dont have the article on the internet yet so i can post it.
Nadkor
14-02-2005, 17:57
im pretty certain that made the BBC teletext here, freaky stuff
-Arynth-
14-02-2005, 18:00
Apparently a few people in Klamath Falls have nothing better to do. ;) (I went to SOU for a bit).

Serisouly, though...how many people would actually go through with something like that? I've been in Yahoo chat rooms before, and they're usually full of people hitting on each other. It's sad, of course, that there were a few individuals interested, whatever their motives were.

*wanders away to raid the fridge.*
Lilsminions
14-02-2005, 18:01
yea it is freaky speacilly when i live here.
Lilsminions
15-02-2005, 17:41
Death pact: The picture gets darker

Monday, February 14, 2005 11:25 AM PST


Krein



Published February 13, 2005

By DYLAN DARLING

It was a "lonely and bored" Klamath Falls man, investigators say, who tried to lure women from around the country and Canada to come to Southern Oregon to hang themselves on Valentine's Day.

At the end of a week of working a case that attracted national and international attention, Klamath Falls investigators described a scheme in which Gerald Dean Krein Jr. trolled the Internet for victims. It now sounds less like a case of mass suicide and more like a a plot to gratify its perpetrator.

Krein's interest was sexual stimulation, seeing naked women hang themselves, detectives said.

So far, four women have come forward to tell investigators they'd talked with Krein about the plan.



Krein wanted women to come to Klamath Falls where they would "hang naked - choke to death or break their necks," said Monty Holloway, a sheriff's detective. The plan wasn't a hoax, he said, but rather a fantasy Krein was trying to play out.

"He wanted to see these women hang naked," Holloway said.

A day before Valentine's Day on Monday, questions remain in the minds of investigators: Did Krein intend to commit suicide himself? Did he intend suicides to be committed elsewhere, or just in Klamath Falls? Most important, who was the woman whose talk about killing her two children alarmed investigators, and where is she?

Krein, 26, remained jailed Saturday. Bail was set at $100,000. He's charged with soliciting murder of two children. A grand jury will consider the case Monday. Authorities said more charges are possible.

Investigators say Krein worked at a computer in a mobile home at 2150 Madison Street in the south suburbs of Klamath Falls to create a Yahoo chat room called "Suicide Party 2005."

Through electronic postings he told possible participants that 32 people would kill themselves on Monday, said Klamath County sheriff's detectives.

The four women talking to investigators are from Portland, Chesterfield County in Virginia, Unionville, Mo., and King City, a suburb of Toronto. Investigators said they knew Krein only from the Web contacts.

Authorities around the country and in Canada are still trying to identify the mother who said she would kill her kids, and find others who might have planned to participate.

In the chat room he created in December Krein bragged about watching on a Web cam as a naked woman hanged herself, authorities said.

In posts and e-mails, investigators said, Krein wrote that he was turned on by this.

Detectives said Krein lived a sheltered life and never had a girlfriend. "This kid has never lived alone, never worked, never been away from mom and dad," Holloway said.

Krein's father has had cerebral palsy since the 1990s, and Krein was a caretaker. With his parents, mother Kaye Krein and father Gerald Sr., Krein moved from Sacramento about a year ago. They bought the house on Madison Street Dec. 16 and moved in just over a month ago.

Via the Internet, Krein found people to connect with through his keyboard. And he found people interested in his idea of a suicide party on Valentine's Day.

Detectives said Krein controlled access to his chat room and invited mostly women who said they were contemplating suicide.

"Lonely and bored, that's his reason," said John Dougherty, another sheriff's detective.

Detectives said that at one point, they asked Krein what his mother would do if women started to arrive at the house: Would she let them in? After pausing, Krein said no.

It's still unclear whether Krein planned to participate himself and whether there would have been more suicides in various locations, broadcast over Web cams, said Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger.

Authorities said Krein may have been trying to get a group suicide together since at least 2000.

"It appears he has been very active for quite some time in trying to entice people into killing themselves," Evinger said.

The Klamath Falls Police Department said a tipster told them in September that Krein had commented about getting together a group to commit suicide, said Officer Mike Anderson of the city police.

Police officers talked to Krein about the comment, which was general and had no planned date.

"He admitted to it, but said he was joking," Anderson said.

Police decided that what Krein had said wasn't a crime, and they had no evidence he was planning a crime, Anderson said. There was no Web site, e-mail or other information available.

"No further investigation was done after the initial contact," Anderson said.

No police report was filed on the incident, he said.

In their recent work, investigators have found messages from Krein on a suicide news group from September 2003, Anderson said. Krein was trying to get people to come to Sacramento to commit group suicide, Anderson said.

Going back further, investigators have found messages dating to 2000 in which Krein solicits people to join in group suicide.

He was putting messages in "all types of different venues, whether they are chat rooms or news groups," Evinger said. Krein was "really preying on vulnerable groups."

Ed Caleb, Klamath County district attorney, said police hadn't heard of the other incidents and didn't have enough evidence last fall to get a search warrant.

"There were nowhere near as many facts as came through this time," Caleb said. "This time we got specific information. That information wasn't available on the earlier tip."

That information included the name of Krein's chat room and more details about his plans, he said.

The Canadian woman from King City contacted the sheriff's department on Jan. 19 about the Valentine's Day suicide party after she learned Krein's plans included a mother who was going to kill her children, authorities said.

"That's where the lady drew the line," Holloway said. "She's suicidal, but it went too far. It scared her when he started talking about children involved."

Krein had given the woman his address, name and other information in trying to get her to come to Klamath Falls to kill herself, detectives said.

A detective joined Yahoo using an alias and entered the chat room to learn more about the plans. On Tuesday authorities went to talk to Krein. Detectives said Krein denied everything.

He told them someone must have hacked into his account and made the chat room. "He said, 'It's not me,' " Holloway said.

Then Krein became agitated, throwing boxes from his back porch onto his lawn and launching one of his father's crutches as if it were a javelin, authorities said. He also smashed a Web cam, saying he would never use it again.

Sheriff detectives and deputies returned Wednesday with a search warrant and charges against Krein. His computer is now in Portland, where FBI agents are scanning its hard drive.

Yahoo officials have helped with the investigation, and authorities have subpoenas to obtain Krein's address book and e-mails from his Yahoo account.

In the three-bedroom, one-bath trailer Krein shared with his parents he had a 10-by-10 computer room, detectives said.

"His home was a cluttered mess," Holloway said.

Amid the clutter was a collection of 4,000 to 5,000 DVDs, including a vast library of pornographic films downloaded from the Internet, detectives said. The library included films of sibling incest and "barely legal" females, they said.

After news of Krein's arrest hit the national media - including the major television networks, cable television news channels and large daily newspapers - three other woman told authorities they had contacted Krein about the suicide party, detectives said.

A woman from Portland told them she had been chatting with Krein over the Internet since Christmas, and he wanted her to come to his house on Valentine's Day and kill herself. Their conversations had a sexual overtone, detectives said.

"He had asked her if she wanted to die naked," Dougherty said.

The woman said she wasn't interested in actually taking part in the suicide party, but was just "screwing" with Krein, Dougherty said.

When the woman told Krein she didn't have a car to get to Klamath Falls, he told her she could catch a ride with an out-of-state woman who would be driving through Portland. Authorities said he told the Portland woman that the woman passing through would have four children, ages 14 to 18, with her and they all planned to hang themselves at the suicide party Monday.

Like the Canadian woman, the Portland woman said Krein "went too far" with the idea of killing children or having them participate in the suicide, detectives said.

Now authorities are wondering if anyone is still planning to travel to Klamath Falls to kill themselves. Agencies handling the investigation locally, the sheriff's office, city police department, district attorney's office and the Oregon State Police, met Friday afternoon to discuss the case and plan how to prevent possible occurrences Monday in Klamath Falls or elsewhere.

"I would hate to have someone follow through with this," said Jim Hunter, Klamath Fall police chief. Whether anyone will commit suicide, he said, "we have no idea"




Officials hope suicide party off

Monday, February 14, 2005 2:16 PM PST






Published February 14, 2005

By DYLAN DARLING

Today was said to be the day.

A Klamath Falls man told suicidal women he contacted on the Internet that 32 people were planning on coming to his home in Klamath Falls' south suburbs to strip their clothing and hang themselves on Valentine's Day, today, authorities said.

But Gerald Dean Krein Jr. is now in jail, on a charge of soliciting murder, while a grand jury will deliberate whether he should face more charges. Bail is set at $100,000.

Since Krein's arrest on Wednesday, authorities around the country and in Canada have been scrambling to get in touch with those who might have been planning on coming to the "suicide party" in Klamath Falls or to possibly hang themselves in front of a Web cam elsewhere.



"We are hoping we avoided any tragedies, but we will be on the lookout," said Klamath County sheriff Tim Evinger.

He said Krein, 26, indicated the suicide party would be at the home he shared with his parents, Kaye and Gerald Sr., at 2150 Madison St., but it had no set time.

Investigators say Krein set up a Yahoo chat room called "Suicide Party 2005" in December and had been inviting people met on the Internet to join it. In talking online about the party, Krein said women would remove their clothing and hang themselves, and that this turned him on. It is still unclear whether Krein planned to kill himself at the party of if he would have been a voyeur, Evinger said.

Authorities have heard from four woman whom Krein had been in contact with about the party. But there could be more.

"If someone was really planning on going through with it, they wouldn't go forward," Evinger said.

The Canadian woman, who lives in a Toronto suburb, was the first to contact police. Evinger said she did so because she said she was rattled when Krein asked if she would help him kill another woman's two children as part of the group suicide.

Krein had told the Canadian woman that 32 people would be killing themselves, including the woman with two children, authorities said.

"I have no idea how he came up with the number, but it is a number that has been tossed out by him," Evinger said.

The three other woman, from Portland, Missouri and Virginia, also came forward because Krein had contacted them about killing the children and it disturbed them, authorities said.

The woman in Missouri and the woman in Virginia both have two children each, but both said they wouldn't kill them, Evinger said.

Authorities are still scouring through the Internet and Oregon Department of Justice officials are helping get subpoenas to search through electronic information at Yahoo and other Internet service providers as the search for possible suicide party participants continues.

Even if investigators don't find the mother whose children Krein was talking about killing, the soliciting murder charge will stand, said Ed Caleb, Klamath County district attorney. He said Krein's asking the Canadian woman for help with the killing is grounds enough for the charge.

Police say Krein had been talking about getting a group suicide together in chat rooms, news groups and other Internet venues since 2000.

"But we couldn't find anyone who had contacted him or agreed" to other group suicide plans, said Mike Anderson, spokesman for the Klamath Falls Police Department.

Krein had been trolling through the Web, searching for suicidal people who would die with him, Evinger said.

A danger of the Internet is that there are vulnerable people who use chat rooms, news groups and other forms of communication to express their feelings, Evinger said. Someone encouraging people to harm themselves doesn't have to be good at it to be successful because the Internet provides so many contacts.

"It seems they are going to get some takers," he said. And authorities say it looks as though Krein found some.

The suicide party plans didn't have any religious or cult undertones to them, Evinger said. And Krein wasn't a charismatic leader, as has often been the case with mass suicides in the past.

"He definitely doesn't seem to be the pied piper of suicide pacts. He's just been out there constantly looking for someone to be the victim," Evinger said.