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'Female' athlete claims penis 're-grew'
From correspondents in Harare
February 10, 2005

A multi-talented Zimbabwean international athlete who has won several awards in regional competitions as a female athlete has been arrested after it was discovered that he is a man.

Samukeliso Sithole, 17, was arrested last week after a female friend who had undressed in full view of the athlete found out that he was a male, the state dailies The Herald and Chronicle said. The friend lodged a complaint with the police and Sithole was arrested for alleged impersonation and offensive behaviour.

Sithole however insists that he is a woman, even though a medical doctor has confirmed that he is a man.

He told the court that he was born with both male and female organs and a traditional healer gave him herbs that helped him become 100 percent woman.

Because his parents neglected to pay the traditional healer his full fees, his male organs recently grew back, Sithole said.

In recent years, Sithole has taken part in international youth athletic events such as hurdles, javelin, shot putt and triple jumping.

In June last year, he won a gold medal for Zimbabwe at a regional athletics tournament in Botswana where he competed as a woman.

He also scooped up five medals in Mauritius last year.

He has been ordered to return to court on March 3 for another hearing.



This is what happens when you do not pay your debts to the medicine man who took your penis away. ;)

So wait, it can grow back? Thank god!

Is he a hemaphrodite? At least then he would have a legitimate excuse.

So wait, it can grow back? Thank god!
LMAO :p

Is he a hemaphrodite? At least then he would have a legitimate excuse.

According to the athlete yes, the article says s/he was born with 'both male and female organs,' but then the athlete adopted the role (and apparently the physiology through medicines) of a female.

Those of us in more modern cultures are having a real chuckle at this one.

Usually, the simplest explanation is the correct one:

He's assumed the life of a woman, yet is physically a man.
It will be interesting to see whether he retains his awards and medals, as those awarding them may decide they may have been gotten under false pretenses.

So wait, it can grow back? Thank god!
Pure comic gold.

Is he a hemaphrodite? At least then he would have a legitimate excuse.
No, because humans can not regenerate limbs. It may become possible with stem cell research, but not naturally.

No, because humans can not regenerate limbs. It may become possible with stem cell research, but not naturally.

Actually some people are born hermaphrodites, because when we are devoloping we all start as female, and if there is enough testosterone you will start devoloping into a male. Some people get enough testosterone to start becoming male, but do not have enough to finish the transformation. Thus they are born with both organs. I head (and I don't know if it's true) of some Pacific Island children who were born and raised as females, but their genitalia was devoloping inside them and as they entered puberty their genitals 'came out' so to speak.

Actually some people are born hermaphrodites, because when we are devoloping we all start as female, and if there is enough testosterone you will start devoloping into a male. Some people get enough testosterone to start becoming male, but do not have enough to finish the transformation. Thus they are born with both organs.
Yes, I am aware of this. But it can not "grow back" if it's removed.

I head (and I don't know if it's true) of some Pacific Island children who were born and raised as females, but their genitalia was devoloping inside them and as they entered puberty their genitals 'came out' so to speak.
Sounds dubious to me. I'll accept that it's possible, but unless I'm provided with a source I'm not gonna believe it.

No, because humans can not regenerate limbs. It may become possible with stem cell research, but not naturally.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the penis is not a limb, no?

Yes, I am aware of this. But it can not "grow back" if it's removed.

It may not have been really removed, they didn't cut it off or anything. I doubt we'll ever be able to settle this, unless you get a time machine and we go back in time, travel to Africa and look down pants/up dresses. :cool: I'll try and find a link though to see if those Pacific Island children reports are true.

I'll try and find a link though to see if those Pacific Island children reports are true.

I I got from google when I searched for 'penis grow' was adverts to make my penis larger. I shouldn't be surprised. :rolleyes:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the penis is not a limb, no?
It is an extremity that can not regenerate. I don't know whether it's techincally a limb or not, but this is just semantics.

Solution: Let him choose between the rewards and his penis.

Solution: Let him choose between the rewards and his penis.

LMFAO!

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the penis is not a limb, no?

well it is my third leg and the last time i checked legs are limbs
:rolleyes:

(im sorry for being so corny)

It may not have been really removed, they didn't cut it off or anything. I doubt we'll ever be able to settle this, unless you get a time machine and we go back in time, travel to Africa and look down pants/up dresses. :cool: I'll try and find a link though to see if those Pacific Island children reports are true.
I heard about this condition on a radio show promoting the book "Middlesex," about a real life nun who grew male genitals. I did a google search for it, it is called 5-alpha reductase deficiency syndrome.

http://newyorker.com/online/content/?020729on_onlineonly01
http://www.toddlertime.com/ts/sex-or-gender.htm
People with the rare 5-alpha reductase deficiency syndrome are born with ambiguous genitalia. They appear at first to be girls. At puberty, such a person develops testicles and his clitoris swells and becomes a penis. Hermaphrodites possess both ovaries and testicles (both, in most cases, rather undeveloped). Sometimes the ovaries and testicles are combined into a chimera called ovotestis.

I I got from google when I searched for 'penis grow' was adverts to make my penis larger. I shouldn't be surprised. :rolleyes:

You should know better than to enter words like "penis" into Google.

It is an extremity that can not regenerate. I don't know whether it's techincally a limb or not, but this is just semantics.

It's hardly semantics when the matter is up for debate and people try to settle it by making statements like this:

No, because humans can not regenerate limbs.

Lets break it down into a syllogism here:

No humans regenerate limbs,
The penis is not a limb,
Therefore, no humans regenerate the penis.

Valid? You decide.

It's hardly semantics when the matter is up for debate and people try to settle it by making statements like this:

Lets break it down into a syllogism here:

No humans regenerate limbs,
The penis is not a limb,
Therefore, no humans regenerate the penis.

Valid? You decide.
The argument of semantics is whether the penis is technically a limb. No matter how much you bring syllogistic logic into this, it will not change the fact that we're dealing with biology, not logic.

It's hardly semantics when the matter is up for debate and people try to settle it by making statements like this:
I believe what he meant was the use of the word "limb", not whether or not the penis was one. With the clarification of "Extremity that cannot regenerate", it sounds to me as though he had meant to use a slightly different word.

Either way, the penis doesn't regenerate, at least not if it's truly been removed.

No matter how much you bring syllogistic logic into this, it will not change the fact that we're dealing with biology, not logic.

So, do the laws of logic not apply to biology?

No, because humans can not regenerate limbs. It may become possible with stem cell research, but not naturally.


Tell me about it! I only wish that was true.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the penis is not a limb, no?

No it isn't in most cases! ;)

Main Entry: 1limb
Pronunciation: 'lim
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English lim, from Old English; akin to Old Norse limr limb and perhaps to Old English lith limb
1 a : one of the projecting paired appendages (as wings) of an animal body used especially for movement and grasping but sometimes modified into sensory or sexual organs b : a leg or arm of a human being
2 : a large primary branch of a tree
3 : an active member or agent
4 : EXTENSION, BRANCH
5 : a mischievous child
- limb·less /'lim-l&s/ adjective
- limby /'li-mE/ adjective
- out on a limb : in an exposed or dangerous position with little chance of retreat
Well, under 1a, a penis is a limb here.
So I believe Gnostikos was correct in using that term.

So, do the laws of logic not apply to biology?
Listen, as fascinating as logic is, and it is indeed, you are just nitpicking. You were trying to present a fallacy where there is none.

Well, under 1a, a penis is a limb here.
So I believe Gnostikos was correct in using that term.
Well then it's settled. If sexual organs may be considered limbs, then we can just end this ridiculous discussion.

1 a : one of the projecting paired appendages (as wings) of an animal body used especially for movement and grasping but sometimes modified into sensory or sexual organs b : a leg or arm of a human being

Well, under 1a, a penis is a limb here.
So I believe Gnostikos was correct in using that term.

Only if it is normal for human beings to possess pairs of them.

Only if it is normal for human beings to possess pairs of them.
What the hell, you're right!
I wonder how I missed that?

Neo-Anarchists, the Clueless Wonder, STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Listen, as fascinating as logic is, and it is indeed, you are just nitpicking. You were trying to present a fallacy where there is none.

No, I'm using it to point out that the statement you made earlier made no sense in the context of the discussion:


Is he a hemaphrodite? At least then he would have a legitimate excuse.

No, because humans can not regenerate limbs. It may become possible with stem cell research, but not naturally.

The issue at debate is why it is impossible for the penis to have regrown.
It is not a limb, and so your earlier statement didn't answer the matter at hand.

Similarly claiming that 'It is an extremity that can not regenerate.' doesn't really answer the question either, particularly in the case of a possible intersexual, where it seems that all bets are off with what we normally consider to be the case of human reproductive biology.

What the hell, you're right!
I wonder how I missed that?

Neo-Anarchists, the Clueless Wonder, STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Note that by this definition those animals with a rough five-fold symmetry, such as starfish, either have (a) no limbs and five extremities (b) two limbs and three other extremities or (c) four limbs and one other extremity.

Okay, any one here with a pair of them, stand up, drop trou and prove it (lol ) :p

Okay, any one here with a pair of them, stand up, drop trou and prove it (lol ) :p
I suppose whoever it was would most likely be reknowned across the land for the abilities that would give them.
:D

While we're on the subject, a virtual cookie gooes out to whoever knows the politician whose name is famously an anagram of GROW A PENIS.

While we're on the subject, a virtual cookie gooes out to whoever knows the politician whose name is famously an anagram of GROW A PENIS.

Spiro Agnew.

This is what happens when you do not pay your debts to the medicine man who took your penis away. ;)

That's ... ummmm ... wow.

Spiro Agnew.

An virtual cookie -> O.

Yes, I am aware of this. But it can not "grow back" if it's removed.


a woman taking lots of testosterone can grow a big clit that looks like the end of a penis.

a herm with a penis in the clit position of their vagina could, if they took lots of female hormones, see the penis retreat until it looked pretty much clit like. then if they took testosterone or just stopped taking the whatever womanly hormone, the clit could expand again into a penis.

i'm making this up, but it could be true.

i'm making this up, but it could be true.

I feel strangely driven to say - monkeys could fly out of my ass.

I'm making this up, but it could be true.

I feel strangely driven to say - monkeys could fly out of my ass.

I'm making this up, but it could be true.

if they do, don't come running to me

if they do, don't come running to me

If monkeys do fly out of my ass I don't think I would be either emotionally or physically capable of running anywhere.

If monkeys do fly out of my ass I don't think I would be either emotionally or physically capable of running anywhere.
Maybe the monkeys could carry you?

get serious!

Maybe the monkeys could carry you?

that would be a case of, ahem, "fly, my shitties...."

Is Neo green, too? :eek:

The issue at debate is why it is impossible for the penis to have regrown.
It is not a limb, and so your earlier statement didn't answer the matter at hand.

Similarly claiming that 'It is an extremity that can not regenerate.' doesn't really answer the question either, particularly in the case of a possible intersexual, where it seems that all bets are off with what we normally consider to be the case of human reproductive biology.
Ok, this is just getting too absurd for even me. Let me state it in one concise statement:

The penis can not regenerate.

Only if it is normal for human beings to possess pairs of them.


Wrong. Read the definition more carefully.


1 a : one of the projecting paired appendages (as wings) of an animal body used especially for movement and grasping but sometimes modified into sensory or sexual organs b : a leg or arm of a human being


However, what the definition is saying is that legs are sometimes sexual organs because they help you to grasp. This is true of whales who retain rudimentry legs to use only in sex.

Also, definition 1a clearly states that it only applies to animals, not humans.

So, you are right that a penis is not a limb, but wrong that the reason for the non-limb status of a penis being the need for a pair of penises.

By the way, I do have two penises.

However, what the definition is saying is that legs are sometimes sexual organs because they help you to grasp. This is true of whales who retain rudimentry legs to use only in sex.
That's neat, I didn't know that! However, what came to mind for me is malel spiders' palpi being used for insemination. It's pretty neat.

By the way, I do have two penises.
Two penes, if you want to use the Latin plural.

Two penes, if you want to use the Latin plural.
I always wondered about that. I had always heard "penii", but from the semester of Latin I took, that didn't sound correct to me.

I always wondered about that. I had always heard "penii", but from the semester of Latin I took, that didn't sound correct to me.
People seem to like just adding on -ii to make the Latin plurals. But it makes no sense. Especially with virus, which has no Latin plural, since it was a mass noun meaning poison in general. The only Latin plurals (in the nominative case, which is used in English) for -ii are words that (second declension masculine) end in -ius; the only common words like that are radius, plural radii and genius, plural genii. I wouldn't advise ever using the latter, however.

People seem to like just adding on -ii to make the Latin plurals. But it makes no sense. Especially with virus, which has no Latin plural, since it was a mass noun meaning poison in general. The only Latin plurals (in the nominative case, which is used in English) for -ii are words that (second declension masculine) end in -ius; the only common words like that are radius, plural radii and genius, plural genii. I wouldn't advise ever using the latter, however.
So how does one correctly pluralize the English "virus" then?
I've always said "virii", against my sneaking suspicion that it was totally wrong, because I couldn't come up with anything better.

I always wondered about that. I had always heard "penii", but from the semester of Latin I took, that didn't sound correct to me.

Personally I thought 'peni' was the prefered form.

So how does one correctly pluralize the English "virus" then?
Viruses. The only proper plural, since it has not Latin plural. I have not read on book on virology that hasn't used this plural, if that makes you feel better.

I've always said "virii", against my sneaking suspicion that it was totally wrong, because I couldn't come up with anything better.
It is highly advisable to never use foreign plurals unless you're sure of what they are, since folk etymologies are, more often than not, wrong. Another good example is octopi. The proper plural of octopus is octopodes. Platypus is platypodes. Rhinoceros is rhinocerotes. Then there are other words that end in -us that many people seem to think would be changed to -i, but aren't. There are 2nd declension masculine, 3rd declension neuter, and 4th declension feminine and masculine words that all end in -us. Each has different rules for pluralisation.

Wrong. Read the definition more carefully.


1 a : one of the projecting paired appendages (as wings) of an animal body used especially for movement and grasping but sometimes modified into sensory or sexual organs b : a leg or arm of a human being


However, what the definition is saying is that legs are sometimes sexual organs because they help you to grasp. This is true of whales who retain rudimentry legs to use only in sex.

I think octopi would be a better example, as one of the male's arms (known as the hectocotylus) is used to inseminate the female directly, however, the example of a human leg or arm is meant not specifically as a modified limb which functions as a sexual organ, but rather of a limb in a more general sense.

Also, definition 1a clearly states that it only applies to animals, not humans.

Two points:
1. Humans are animals.
2. Why then does it use human beings as an example if it does not apply to them?

So, you are right that a penis is not a limb, but wrong that the reason for the non-limb status of a penis being the need for a pair of penises.

Nope. None of your objections to my reasoning are without rebuttal.

It is highly advisable to never use foreign plurals unless you're sure of what they are, since folk etymologies are, more often than not, wrong. Another good example is octopi. The proper plural of octopus is octopodes.

I think octopi would be a better example...

Damn. That was a bit weird. Are the Orbital Mind Control Lasers stuck on the 'think of an octopus' setting again?


Anyhow. Meaning is determined by use, and octopi is commonly accepted and the meaning is transparent.

Wow, imagine if s/he regrew two penes! :eek: On another note, my guppies (the males) have two penes, one on each side.;)

Wow, imagine if s/he regrew two penes! :eek: On another note, my guppies (the males) have two penes, one on each side.;)

Actual penises or two hemipenes?

Actual penises or two hemipenes?
:eek:
Would those be ones powered by a Dodge V8?
http://www.hemi.com/

Anyhow. Meaning is determined by use, and octopi is commonly accepted and the meaning is transparent.
Unfortunately, this is true. This (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=octopus&x=0&y=0) and this (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rhinoceros&x=0&y=0) are proof of these disgusting anglicisms. Use those fallacious plurals if you want, but I shall hold on to Latin and Greek as long as I can!

Actual penises or two hemipenes?

Well I guess s/he would regrow hemipenes, but the fish DO have two penis.

Eureaka! I have it! She had two penises and one of them ended up here: Source/sauce (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12252555-13762,00.html)


Woman finds penis in sauce bottle
From correspondents in Stocholm
February 15, 2005

A SWEDISH woman claims that she had found a penis in a bottle of tomato sauce.

However Viktoria Ed said she was lucky enough to discover the organ before putting the sauce on her bread rolls, unlike her husband Stefan and their children, Madeleine and Simon.
"It looked like a penis, of an adult if it's human, and medium sized," she told AFP.

"It's disgusting. The top of the bottle was intact, as if it had just left the factory. We would like to know how this thing ended up in a ketchup bottle."

The Godegaarden brand ketchup was made in Turkey and distributed in Sweden by the company Axfood. The shop where the ketchup was bought on Friday has thrown out the rest of its stock.

"I will never buy this brand again, it's finished," vowed Ed.

Police have taken the object for analysis.

Eureaka! I have it! She had two penises and one of them ended up here: Source/sauce (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12252555-13762,00.html)
What. The. Fuck.

What. The. Fuck.

Feelin' hungry? Want some sauce with your hot dog and your buns?;):p

Eureaka! I have it! She had two penises and one of them ended up here: Source/sauce (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12252555-13762,00.html)
that is so freakishly brilliant

Feelin' hungry? Want some sauce with your hot dog and your buns?;):p
With the mention of "buns", that sounds even more wrong.
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With the mention of "buns", that sounds even more wrong.
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It's only wrong if you didn't pay your witch doctor enough to stop your penis from growing back!:p

Speaking of animals with two penes, snakes, iguanas, Komodo dragons, and koalas also all have two. I don't know if there are others.

And, I just looked this one up, there have been 80 documented cases of men with two penes since the first was documented in 1609.

Anyone remember those East German "female" athletes :D

Speaking of animals with two penes, snakes, iguanas, Komodo dragons, and koalas also all have two. I don't know if there are others.

Technically hemipenes for at least the snakes, iguanas and Komodos. I'm not sure how the koala are classified.


While we're on the subject, are people aware of the story concerning female hyenas and their 'penises'?

While we're on the subject, are people aware of the story concerning female hyenas and their 'penises'?

Shudder... They give BIRTH through those things, don't they?

Well having won all those medals, ill bet there is a little monry involved in that. So has s/he ever heard of surgery? have that thing removed?!