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I just want to see the overall thoughts in the General Forum dealing with (IMNSHO) the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.

I just want to see the overall thoughts in the General Forum dealing with (IMNSHO) the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.
It's rampant arrogant nationalism like this that makes people angry with Americans.

Everything About America!

Of course, I live here so I love my country.

america has a good idea and living conditrions are great....enless you are smothered by capitalism.....but the culture is so bland and i hate bush...i hate all aspects of america

It would be good if we could tick a few options.
I'll go for capitalism, but I would also like to select Bush, and the whole ruling elite...

Chose the Bush option, even if thats probably one that dosen't apply to me as much as the others. There were a few that could apply, so I picked the one that would stimulate some debate :p

It's rampant arrogant nationalism like this that makes people angry with Americans.

And its jackasses like you that make me not like foreigners.

Looks like we have some common ground. Care to sit down and have a drink? :)

and by that I mean HATE capitalism...

And its jackasses like you that make me not like foreigners.
You are not a good example of a good American. You are the example of a stereotyped American. Someone makes a valid comment on your statements and suspeicions and you immediately resort to low-grade, childish flaming. In the big shceme of things you'd have done better to get yourself a nice cup of STFU.

*slow claps*

I hate all aspects of America.

It's government, it's values, it's policies, etc.

You should have made this multi choice:

I hate Bush.

I hate capitalism in the US.

I like the US people.

Screw politics, give me a beer and a hot (Insert preferred gender/animal/plant/misc. here)

and by that I mean HATE capitalism...

That's well understood, hence your picking that option. :D

What, I'm the only person who wants to screw politics, which happens to be the name of the hot chick?

You are not a good example of a good American. You are the example of a stereotyped American. Someone makes a valid comment on your statements and suspeicions and you immediately resort to low-grade, childish flaming. In the big shceme of things you'd have done better to get yourself a nice cup of STFU.

*slow claps*

Meh. I'm already not in a good mood, so he'll just have to deal with it. I don't actually hate foreigners, obviously -- I have a lot of non-US friends, and a few other *gasp* liberal friends, but whatever.

Besides, I'm not a fan of being insulted. Frankly, being called arrogant is an insult to me, and I dislike being insulted. While I have a hint of arrogance about me, it's not ramparent -- I just love my contry that much and I honestly think we ARE the greatest nation on God's Green Earth. Obviously, we still need improvements, such as abolishing nanny-state laws and cutting useless government programs, but that can come about later.

What, I'm the only person who wants to screw politics, which happens to be the name of the hot chick?

I suggest finding a better girl. :D

Unless she's really good-looking.

Friend:"Hey, Sal, what'd you do last night?"

You: "I screwed politics."

Friend: O_o

Their ignorance worries (and sometimes amuses) me. Their government frightens me.

But hate? Not really...

Nuke America! Nuke America! Nuke America!
:gundge:........:gundge:........:gundge:

Would you be willing to sacrifice your current nation's existance as well as it's allies to launch a nuke at America? You launch A nuke at us, we'd glass your nation.

And if you're an American, you should be shot for treason, and then we should nuke France. ;)

Just kidding....about the France part.

...and sometimes amuses me...

At least you're honest. :D

Would you be willing to sacrifice your current nation's existance as well as it's allies to launch a nuke at America? You launch A nuke at us, we'd glass your nation.

And if you're an American, you should be shot for treason, and then we should nuke France. ;)

Just kidding....about the France part.
Yes, I am american. Now, that said, look at my screen name. THAT is my future home! :p

To the people who hate America in all aspects: Shame on you. Your arrogance has blinded you to the good we have created. We triggered the rise of Democracy, We saved your arses from the Japanese Hordes, we expanded the automobile industry, we created the personal computer. Sure, we may be bad, but you can't hate us in all aspects.

Besides, if we weren't around, this game wouldn't exist because personal computers, or computers for that matter, wouldnt exist.

And its jackasses like you that make me not like foreigners.

Looks like we have some common ground. Care to sit down and have a drink? :)
For pointing out that you are a nationalist? And I'm sorry but saying that your country is better than every other country is arrogant.

It's OK if you prefer your country to others, but to claim that it's better tends to make people angry.

Yes, I am american. Now, that said, look at my screen name. THAT is my future home! :p

Then go, us Americans don't want you here. Us TRUE Americans. You cannot call yourself an American and want America to fall.

For pointing out that you are a nationalist? And I'm sorry but saying that your country is better than every other country is arrogant.

It's OK if you prefer your country to others, but to claim that it's better tends to make people angry.

It is a bit arrogant, I'll admit, but that doesn't stop me from believing it and saying it! :)

So, how about that drink? ;)

For pointing out that you are a nationalist? And I'm sorry but saying that your country is better than every other country is arrogant.

It's OK if you prefer your country to others, but to claim that it's better tends to make people angry.

HOw is it any more arrogant than saying that your country is better than America?

It is the same thing and that makes me angry when people say that their country is better than America.

Then go, us Americans don't want you here. Us TRUE Americans. You cannot call yourself an American and want America to fall.
I'd love to leave, but I'm 20, and I'm stuck with my parents, because I"m hearing impaired and I have a bad back and I'm still months away from having my braces removed.

Every Country sucks. America just sucks the least.

I'd love to leave, but I'm 20, and I'm stuck with my parents, because I"m hearing impaired and I have a bad back and I'm still months away from having my braces removed.

Oh, okay. Well, that would put you in quite a predicament, then.

It is a bit arrogant, I'll admit, but that doesn't stop me from believing it and saying it! :)

So, how about that drink? ;)

But whats the point of making a poll and then getting all pissed off when you get answers you don't like?

Every Country sucks. America just sucks the least.

That's an...interesting way to put it.

Oh, okay. Well, that would put you in quite a predicament, then.
Yeah, it's a government conspiracy! :p :D

(Or one caused by space aliens, whichever you prefer)

But whats the point of making a poll and then getting all pissed off when you get answers you don't like?

I didn't get POed when he delivered his answer -- I knew there'd be a lot of opinions that I wouldn't like -- I got a bit POed when he called me arrogant.

Yeah, it's a government conspiracy! :p :D

(Or one caused by space aliens, whichever you prefer)

Probably space aliens. Area 51 is still off-limits, after all.

i voted "I hate America in all aspects" because that was the closest

i hate the US President
i have people like yourself
but the canadians and south americans arent too bad, your question should have been "On the USA..."

Probably space aliens. Area 51 is still off-limits, after all.
I actually DO believe that people from a planet named "Nibiru" are causing trouble here on earth, but I'm now beginning to have my doubts about that.

i voted "I hate America in all aspects" because that was the closest

i hate the US President
i have people like yourself
but the canadians and south americans arent too bad

You hate regular Americans, who have never done anything to you? Regular Americans who just try to make a living, working at their jobs, sending their kids to school, playing with them at the beach, raising a family, trying to retire, and who just want to live a normal life? You sir, are and arrogant person.

i voted "I hate America in all aspects" because that was the closest

i hate the US President
i hate people like yourself
but the canadians and south americans arent too bad

You hate people like myself? Why thank you, I appreciate that. I hate you too.

And I'm not offering a drink to you. :)

I didn't get POed when he delivered his answer -- I knew there'd be a lot of opinions that I wouldn't like -- I got a bit POed when he called me arrogant.

Well...The whole "raaah raaaah I've got loads of nukes and big guns" crap is seen by some as arrogance. Then there are others who see it as extreme nationalism.

You hate regular Americans, who have never done anything to you? Regular Americans who just try to make a living, working at their jobs, sending their kids to school, playing with them at the beach, raising a family, trying to retire, and who just want to live a normal life? You sir, are and arrogant person.
no i hate people who go round "America is the best by far, shame on you for not thinking we are above you. America gave you everything blah blah blah"

it just shows a basic ignorance of the world


and i should probably point out that i dont hate "all" americans, just those as above, but that poll option was closest

Well...The whole "raaah raaaah I've got loads of nukes and big guns" crap is seen by some as arrogance. Then there are others who see it as extreme nationalism.

When have we mentioned that we have big guns and lotsa nukes?

You hate people like myself? Why thank you, I appreciate that. I hate you too.

And I'm not offering a drink to you. :)
well, im glad you dont like me much, means im doing something right

You hate regular Americans, who have never done anything to you? Regular Americans who just try to make a living, working at their jobs, sending their kids to school, playing with them at the beach, raising a family, trying to retire, and who just want to live a normal life? You sir, are and arrogant person.

No, he just hates Americans that like America.

no i hate people who go round "America is the best by far, shame on you for not thinking we are above you. America gave you everything blah blah blah"

it just shows a basic ignorance of the world

You sir, just said you hated everything about America. And those normal people are Americans, and by answering you hate everything about my country that means you hate them.

You, sir, are showing ignorance.

no i hate people who go round "America is the best by far, shame on you for not thinking we are above you. America gave you everything blah blah blah"

it just shows a basic ignorance of the world


and i should probably point out that i dont hate "all" americans, just those as above, but that poll option was closest

I didn't say you were wrong for thinking that America wasn't the best, I said I thought America was the best. That's my opinion. If it's not yours fine.

Someone once asked me why, if America is as bad as some say, so many people want to come here. I think it is because that, unlike so many other places on the earth, here there is still hope and the freedom to pursue it.

We Americans are a contentious lot. We seldom agree on anything. As a disabled Vietnam veteran, I've often been painfully aware that sometimes the differences among Americans run deep. Yet there is something ... something largely undefined, which holds us together.

Americans sing as individuals. We sing in different keys, discordantly. All the beats and rhythms are different. Even the words are seldom the same. How then do we create such an amazing symphony?

You sir, just said you hated everything about America. And those normal people are Americans, and by answering you hate everything about my country that means you hate them.

You, sir, are showing ignorance.
where have i said i hate america in all aspects?

as ive already explained, i dont hate all americans - i hate some, and im not fond of the president, but as it wasnt a multiple choice poll, i went with what was closest

this is the perfect example:
To the people who hate America in all aspects: Shame on you. Your arrogance has blinded you to the good we have created. We triggered the rise of Democracy, We saved your arses from the Japanese Hordes, we expanded the automobile industry, we created the personal computer. Sure, we may be bad, but you can't hate us in all aspects.

Besides, if we weren't around, this game wouldn't exist because personal computers, or computers for that matter, wouldnt exist.

When have we mentioned that we have big guns and lotsa nukes?

I'm afraid that would be my fault. I said that if someone launched a nuke at America, they'd be glassed.

Someone once asked me why, if America is as bad as some say, so many people want to come here. I think it is because that, unlike so many other places on the earth, here there is still hope and the freedom to pursue it.

See, thats the thing, youre a decent guy so i dont want you to take this the wrong way, but thats just one of several aspects that tars my opinion of some americans - "why, if America is as bad as some say, so many people want to come here" when the truth is that there are several other countries with bad if not worse immigrent problems. so the argument that america must be the best because people want to live there doesnt hold water for me

Someone once asked me why, if America is as bad as some say, so many people want to come here. I think it is because that, unlike so many other places on the earth, here there is still hope and the freedom to pursue it.

We Americans are a contentious lot. We seldom agree on anything. As a disabled Vietnam veteran, I've often been painfully aware that sometimes the differences among Americans run deep. Yet there is something ... something largely undefined, which holds us together.

Americans sing as individuals. We sing in different keys, discordantly. All the beats and rhythms are different. Even the words are seldom the same. How then do we create such an amazing symphony?

God Bless, you, sir, for serving our Great Nation.

And i know how we create this Symphony. The liberals sing in C minor, while the conservatives blast their trumpets in E flat.

Those who know their scales will understand what I just said. :D

When have we mentioned that we have big guns and lotsa nukes?

Just read the thread...
Besides, my comments were directed at the starter of the thread, not at every American born since the beginning of time.

We triggered the rise of Democracy, We saved your arses from the Japanese Hordes, we expanded the automobile industry, we created the personal computer. Sure, we may be bad, but you can't hate us in all aspects.

Besides, if we weren't around, this game wouldn't exist because personal computers, or computers for that matter, wouldnt exist.
So, Iceland's democracy, over 1000 years old, is the result of the US? The Commonwealth nations, based on the British model (which your own comes from)? The French system is yours?
"The Japanese Hordes" you have a slightly better claim to; however, as Australian & British troops were routinely handing the Japs their arses *after your economic sanctions triggered their attack* saying "helped fix a problem you caused" would be more accurate.
You destroyed the OZ automobile industry, so don't expect to win friends by bringing *that* up.
And computers were developed during WWII to crack German codes, Bletchley park didn't need you - you needed them.

Amusingly, I was one of the people who voted "I like US people." All nations have obnoxious idiots - However America has a large proportion of people who will yell at their own obnoxious idiots, which makes the US one of the better countries out there.
You'll always come 2nd to Canada for favoured foreigners, of course, but that's to be expected.

C-minor and E-flat...hmmm, NO! NOT 6th GRADE BAND AGAIN!!!!!

Of course everything America. It's the only place you can get away with said keys. Well, by the gov. The rest of the people, well, they're free to kick the players of said keys asses.

Sure, we're screwed up pretty bad, but so is the rest of the world, cept Antarctica, but they probably have oddball penquins too.

I love America, But hate, hate, hate Bush. And the ass he rode in on(his daddy)

If possible, I'd vote 1 and 3, but I only voted 3. I don't mind American Citizens, but I can't stand their government.

See, thats the thing, youre a decent guy so i dont want you to take this the wrong way, but thats just one of several aspects that tars my opinion of some americans - "why, if America is as bad as some say, so many people want to come here" when the truth is that there are several other countries with bad if not worse immigrent problems. so the argument that america must be the best because people want to live there doesnt hold water for me

I wasn't speaking of other countries, my friend. I was speaking only of the US because that was the topic of the thread. The point I was trying to make ( although obviously not succeeding ), was that many of our own people seem to have some sort of visceral hatred of their own Country. That statement was by way of indicating that if America is as bad as these people seem to think, why are so many people still trying to immigrate here?

I never indicated that America "must be the best" because of anything.

God Bless, you, sir, for serving our Great Nation.

Thank you, but I already have all the blessings one heart can hold! :D

I chose all the good things, and the last one. Since I could only choose one, I chose I like Bush! You should've made it multiple votes...

Cue American smilies! :sniper: :mp5: :fluffle: :D :confused: :( :cool:

The gun guys are the American toughness to free the world!

The fluffle smily is for the love of American Men and Women!

The happy, confused, and frown ones symbolize the great free speach of America!

The Cool smilie because we are just cool like that!

Thank you, but I already have all the blessings one heart can hold! :D

Your heart just needs to get bigger! :D *insert corny comment about The Grinch Who Stole Christmas here*

I wasn't speaking of other countries, my friend. I was speaking only of the US because that was the topic of the thread. The point I was trying to make ( although obviously not succeeding ), was that many of our own people seem to have some sort of visceral hatred of their own Country. That statement was by way of indicating that if America is as bad as these people seem to think, why are so many people still trying to immigrate here?

I never indicated that America "must be the best" because of anything.
i know what you meant, my point was that you see it used as a reason quite a bit - that America must be the best because people want to live there. Now, i know thats not what you were saying, but it reminded me of one of the things that some people do say

Meh. I'm already not in a good mood, so he'll just have to deal with it. I don't actually hate foreigners, obviously -- I have a lot of non-US friends, and a few other *gasp* liberal friends, but whatever.

Besides, I'm not a fan of being insulted. Frankly, being called arrogant is an insult to me, and I dislike being insulted. While I have a hint of arrogance about me, it's not ramparent -- I just love my contry that much and I honestly think we ARE the greatest nation on God's Green Earth. Obviously, we still need improvements, such as abolishing nanny-state laws and cutting useless government programs, but that can come about later.

What exactly do you mean by "useless government programs"?
By what I'm hearing it seems like you want to get rid of social welfare programs... that's sick.

i know what you meant, my point was that you see it used as a reason quite a bit - that America must be the best because people want to live there. Now, i know thats not what you were saying, but it reminded me of one of the things that some people do say

Kewl. Icanlivewiththat. :)

What exactly do you mean by "useless government programs"?
By what I'm hearing it seems like you want to get rid of social welfare programs... that's sick.

No it isn't. The government isn't here to be a nanny -- it's to provide for defense and allow for prosperity. By that I feel it means allow it to happen, not force equality upon people.

So, how about that drink? ;)
If you're paying. :)

The government isn't here to be a nanny -- it's to provide for defense and allow for prosperity. By that I feel it means allow it to happen, not force equality upon people.
Nanny statism also includes keeping people in line with "moralist" laws and other forms of social conservatism.

Nanny statism also includes keeping people in line with "moralist" laws and other forms of social conservatism.

I'm well aware of that. Frankly, I think you're (not you as in YOU, but you as genericly speaking) a dumbass for taking crack, but frankly, if you want to fuck up your life, not my problem.

The thing is, though, where do you put the line? Personal freedom at some point crosses the "I'm gonna severely hurt someone ELSE if i do this." And I'm not talking about emotionally. I'm talking about DUI laws. DUI is more than just yourself you'd be harming, which is why I'm supportave of those types of laws. Frankly, though, if you want to snort the white stuff, be my guest. You come 'round my neighbourhood with it, though, don't be expecting a warm welcome.

I dislike Bush (well, some of his actions anyway, I am somewhat convinced that as a individual he'd probably be a nice person), I like most of the American people I know, now screw politics, give me a beer and a hot body! :cool:

Then go, us Americans don't want you here. Us TRUE Americans. You cannot call yourself an American and want America to fall.

You are so arrogant, what makes you more American then him? I am an American Communist so I suppose I am not a real American as well? :rolleyes:

I just want to see the overall thoughts in the General Forum dealing with (IMNSHO) the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth.
None of the above. I like the US but dislike US imperialism.

None of the above. I like the US but dislike US imperialism.

What imperialism?

You are so arrogant, what makes you more American then him? I am an American Communist so I suppose I am not a real American as well? :rolleyes:

He was being sarcastic Corisan!

What imperialism?

lol?

It's not a multiple-choice poll.

What imperialism?
Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Iran.

Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Iran.

In order to be imperial, they have to be intended to keep in the hands of the nation that took them over.

Iraq will be let go when they are able to defend themselves, and Afghanistan already has an elected President so how is it imperialism?

In order to be imperial, they have to be intended to keep in the hands of the nation that took them over.

Iraq will be let go when they are able to defend themselves, and Afghanistan already has an elected President so how is it imperialism?
Here are two reasons that support my claim:

Iraq Economy:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2004/0120ambitions.htm

US Bases in Iraq:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm

Here are two reasons that support my claim:

Iraq Economy:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2004/0120ambitions.htm

US Bases in Iraq:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm

Then I guess we have a few dozen other countries because we have military bases in them as well! Just because there are military bases in Iraq doesn't mean we control Iraq. We have bases in Qatar! Do we control them? Do we control Kuwait? Do we control Japan?

Then I guess we have a few dozen other countries because we have military bases in them as well! Just because there are military bases in Iraq doesn't mean we control Iraq. We have bases in Qatar! Do we control them? Do we control Kuwait? Do we control Japan?
The military bases in the other countries, was with THEIR approval.

The military bases in the other countries, was with THEIR approval.

Was it with approval of Japan to have a base on Okinawa? The others you can say that but Japan? What about Germany? Did we actually have their approval too?

Fine you provided 2 links but we are not in charge of EITHER country. Therefore, by definition, we are NOT building an empire.

To the people who hate America in all aspects: Shame on you. Your arrogance has blinded you to the good we have created. We triggered the rise of Democracy, We saved your arses from the Japanese Hordes, we expanded the automobile industry, we created the personal computer. Sure, we may be bad, but you can't hate us in all aspects.

Besides, if we weren't around, this game wouldn't exist because personal computers, or computers for that matter, wouldnt exist.
Well I dont 'hate America', but I dont see that America 'triggered democracy'. It was not the first or the last step towards the establishment of modern democracys. It wasnt the first nation to achieve full enfranchisement (of all voters), it wasnt the first country to establish voting for governments/government posts. Just what makes you think that the USA triggered democracy, rather than being simply another facilitating agent working on potentialities whose origins were established 100's of years before white folk even knew the land on which the USA was established, even existed? :confused:

Was it with approval of Japan to have a base on Okinawa? The others you can say that but Japan? What about Germany? Did we actually have their approval too?

Fine you provided 2 links but we are not in charge of EITHER country. Therefore, by definition, we are NOT building an empire.
Bremer's Orders is a 40 year lease on the Iraqi economy....what say you now?

Check this out:

the United States now has bases or shares military installations in Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, as well as on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

That my friend is a complete encirclement of Iran.

The US is in the Middle East to stay and they WILL control the oil. You can bet that if these countries didn't have oil, people would still not know half the names of these countries....ever!!

Bremer's Orders is a 40 year lease on the Iraqi economy....what say you now?

That was Bremer's orders when he was incharge of the Iraq. I'm sure something will be worked out with the provisional government. After all it is a free country.

Check this out:

the United States now has bases or shares military installations in Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, as well as on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

That my friend is a complete encirclement of Iran.

The US is in the Middle East to stay and they WILL control the oil. You can bet that if these countries didn't have oil, people would still not know half the names of these countries....ever!!

Ironic isn't it. I know that Iran is surrounded but half of those bases were used for the Afghan operation and the other half for the Iraqi campaign. Just because Iran is surrounded, btw you forgot ships in the Persian Gulf, doesn't mean we'll attack Iran. We also have Syria mostly surrounded too but yet, we're not going after them just like we're not going after Iran.

Well I dont 'hate America', but I dont see that America 'triggered democracy'. It was not the first or the last step towards the establishment of modern democracys. It wasnt the first nation to achieve full enfranchisement (of all voters), it wasnt the first country to establish voting for governments/government posts. Just what makes you think that the USA triggered democracy, rather than being simply another facilitating agent working on potentialities whose origins were established 100's of years before white folk even knew the land on which the USA was established, even existed? :confused:

There was one (almost) democratic state before us that was still around when we created the U.S., Switzerland. And While I didn't say we triggered democracy, we triggered the revolutions that lead to democracy. Once we had done it, people were like "Hey! We can do that too!", then France did it. Once France had done it, the people went "My god, those Americans were right! Hurry, lads! We must overthrow the monarchy!", and then so on and so forth.

That was Bremer's orders when he was incharge of the Iraq. I'm sure something will be worked out with the provisional government. After all it is a free country.
Why would Bremer put to paper a 40 year lease on the Iraqi economy, when there was only a provisional government in power?

Ironic isn't it. I know that Iran is surrounded but half of those bases were used for the Afghan operation and the other half for the Iraqi campaign. Just because Iran is surrounded, btw you forgot ships in the Persian Gulf, doesn't mean we'll attack Iran. We also have Syria mostly surrounded too but yet, we're not going after them just like we're not going after Iran.
Well Syria will be later. First comes Iran. Rice is already issuing the threats.

Why would Bremer put to paper a 40 year lease on the Iraqi economy, when there was only a provisional government in power?

Maybe because he was the Occupation Governor BEFORE there was a provisional government.

Well Syria will be later. First comes Iran. Rice is already issuing the threats.

How is she issueing threats? So far, I've heard no mention of war.

Well Syria will be later. First comes Iran. Rice is already issuing the threats.

Iran is possible at the moment, but I think we'd be better off in either Syria or N. Korea. In N. Korea we'd be up against a Nuklear nation, but it would be a starved and unstable nation as well. With the backing of the South Korean Army(which we will most deffinetly have), Japanese Bases, and our awesome Navy and Airforce, as well as bringing in some of our allies and about 100,000 U.S. troops(remember, S. Korea has a good sized military and it is moderatly well trained), we could take N. Korea within a year. Not to mention, we wouldn't have to worry about terrorist reprecussions.

Also, In Syria we could attack via Iraq, and then have the Israelis attack from the other side. We could also get some Saudis to help, I guess.

There was one (almost) democratic state before us that was still around when we created the U.S., Switzerland. And While I didn't say we triggered democracy, we triggered the revolutions that lead to democracy. Once we had done it, people were like "Hey! We can do that too!", then France did it. Once France had done it, the people went "My god, those Americans were right! Hurry, lads! We must overthrow the monarchy!", and then so on and so forth.
Actually at least one revolution that was a step towards many of the modern democracies that exist today, pre-dates the American Revolutionary War. This being the case, for your argument to have any hope of succeeding you need to establish that the American Revolutionary War wasnt itself 'triggered' by the English Civil War, otherwise it's still not a trigger, but merely one of many intermediatary steps.
Further you have not established that the American Revolutionary War was the sole trigger or even a trigger at all of the French Revolution and subsequent revolutions/changes of government form, in France, and that all existing democracies are so only by virtue of either the French revolution/changes in government form, or the American Revolutionary War.

Maybe because he was the Occupation Governor BEFORE there was a provisional government.
The question is why 40 years?
How is she issueing threats? So far, I've heard no mention of war.
The threats are being issued and you know it. The US is dying to take out Iran. a little more stability in Iraq and that is exactly what is going to happen, unless of course Iran all of a sudden produces evidence of several nukes, which might make the US back off a bit and regroup.

Iran is possible at the moment, but I think we'd be better off in either Syria or N. Korea. In N. Korea we'd be up against a Nuklear nation, but it would be a starved and unstable nation as well. With the backing of the South Korean Army(which we will most deffinetly have), Japanese Bases, and our awesome Navy and Airforce, as well as bringing in some of our allies and about 100,000 U.S. troops(remember, S. Korea has a good sized military and it is moderatly well trained), we could take N. Korea within a year. Not to mention, we wouldn't have to worry about terrorist reprecussions.

Also, In Syria we could attack via Iraq, and then have the Israelis attack from the other side. We could also get some Saudis to help, I guess.
NK will be a real problem now that they have some nukes. I think the Japanese might be a bit concerned and so should the US troops in the Middle East.

The question is why 40 years?

The threats are being issued and you know it. The US is dying to take out Iran. a little more stability in Iraq and that is exactly what is going to happen, unless of course Iran all of a sudden produces evidence of several nukes, which might make the US back off a bit and regroup.

You sound more like you live in Iran than in Cananda.

You sound more like you live in Iran than in Cananda.
Why do you make such a comment?

NK will be a real problem now that they have some nukes. I think the Japanese might be a bit concerned and so should the US troops in the Middle East.

We could easily disable their nuclear capability within the first few hours of the conflict. Our Airforce and Navy are #1, we can handle it.

Of course, they probably won't resort to nukes, because they know if they do all hell will break loose.

You sound more like you live in Iran than in Cananda.
Really, Eutrusca, that's not particuliarly rational. :p

We could easily disable their nuclear capability within the first few hours of the conflict. Our Airforce and Navy are #1, we can handle it.

Of course, they probably won't resort to nukes, because they know if they do all hell will break loose.
IF they think they ARE going down, then yeah, all hell WILL break loose. Do you really think that they will let you walk in and takeover like you did in Iraq?

I could be a better president than bush. Of course, it wouldn't take much to be a better president :)

Really, Eutrusca, that's not particuliarly rational. :p

Well ... I think he does. :(

I like the people of the United States, and the values that are common to them as a whole - of course, I'm American myself, so I suppose that in my heart of hearts I have to find something to like, eh? I don't like much else - I very much am upset with the President of my Nation and much of what he does/says... as well as the ruling party we currently have. I dislike the state of politics and democracy here. I dislike the way some aspects of our form of capitalism seem to degrade humanity and damage our culture rather than raising those things up.

There are things in our history I'm not proud of. Slavery. The wars, diseases and relocation of the Native Americans [that, of all these things, btw, is what I despise most]. The corruption that has at times been at the heart of our government. Our needless wars: Spanish-American, Vietnamese, Iraq.

And yet, there are things to love. I like that upward mobility and equal opportunity through hard work and/or education is a value that has long been safeguarded by my people [though, sadly, it has not always been reality].

I like the accepting nature of Americans; in general, Americans accept all ethnicities, all religions and all nationalities. I have a number of immigrant friends, and all have commented to me about how kind and accepting Americans are to them - some have been to various places in Europe and Asia or have family in Europe and Asia, and have commented on the poor treatment and "second class citizen" status many of them have to deal with. So I'm proud that we're such an open country.

I don't like how bland our culture is, but as a nation of immigrants - and a very young one, at that - we really haven't had time to develop one. What's more, the onset of consumerism has made it more economically convenient to avoid developing a social culture, instead developing an entertainment culture of sorts, more useful for selling products than binding communities.

I like our reverence for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence - great documents, all. These are sources of national pride for me; and I'm not one to indulge in such things, I should mention!

Yes, we have many flaws, arrogance among them. Yet, for all our faults, we are still a great nation, the most powerful to ever stand astride this world. Long after our fall, I'm confident there will be long volumes dedicated to our civilization, and how we changed the world - for better AND for worse.

The question is why 40 years?

How the hell should I know. I'm not an econ major. Just an Econ minor. I don't care what type of business deals my country makes as long as the contracts are legal, I don't care.

The threats are being issued and you know it. The US is dying to take out Iran. a little more stability in Iraq and that is exactly what is going to happen, unless of course Iran all of a sudden produces evidence of several nukes, which might make the US back off a bit and regroup.

Threats is one thing. Welcome to politics. Everyone threatens people (looks at North Korea and China). As long as people don't start shooting, threaten all you like.

We could easily disable their nuclear capability within the first few hours of the conflict. Our Airforce and Navy are #1, we can handle it.

It is very hard to shoot down a nuclear missile. This is a very arrogant statement!

Of course, they probably won't resort to nukes, because they know if they do all hell will break loose.

This goes to the rational man theory. Problem is Kim Jong Il is not a rational person.

You are so arrogant, what makes you more American then him? I am an American Communist so I suppose I am not a real American as well? :rolleyes:

Not necessarily. Just because you're a communist doesn't mean you're unAmerican -- if you want America to fall you are.

I, personally, though, would never like to see you in office, but what the hell. :)

So, Iceland's democracy, over 1000 years old, is the result of the US?

Ah, yes, but that didn't decide much on politics.

That was mostly for warmth! :D

Just kidding, as far as I know. And don't you dare tell me that keeping warm was not a factor. :)

You sound more like you live in Iran than in Cananda.
Nope. I live in Canada ....thank God. The problem is that I really don't think you have a clue where I am coming from, and you really know very little about me. That the comment you made was rather inappropriate, but that is okay....I forgive you. :D

You know that I used to go golfing (with a bunch of friends) down that neck of the woods (North Carloina and Mrytle Beach) many years ago. I enjoyed playing The Pearl. Marsh Harbor, Carolina Shores, and Sandpiper. I kinda miss those days......

*Snap*....back to reality. I grew up during the Cold War years and it was great to see the Berlin Wall come crashing down. What is sad to see is the new walls going up.......

People really don't understand Bush and why he invaded Iraq.

"Boy you can't f*** with me
So when I'm in your neighborhood, you better duck
Coz Ice Cube is crazy as f***"
-NWA Straight Outta Compton

This is exactly why Bush invaded Iraq to prove that he is the most powerful and psychotic world leader on earth. Saddam Hussein most certainly talked smack about the US and Bush. So Bush came down on him like an asteroid, no political justification, no economic justification, no moral justification. Just one crazy hardcore gangsta smacking the crap out of some signifying poser.

Bush invaded Iraq to prove that he will take down anyone who so much as looks at him funny, like a rabid dog. And I think Americans should take comfort that the rest of the world is scared s***less of our leader who happens to be the hardestcore gangsta on the planet.

I said way before the actual invasion that the whole thing was a damn pissing contest between two people with testosterone poisoning. But I neglected to take in the factor of how much dough Dubya could make for his friends.

Again, I love the ideals of my country, but I HATE BUSH! :gundge:

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You people can cry me a river about how mean and bad America is. It doesn't stop you from begging for our help whenever you get into any kind of trouble. Waaa, the Nazi's have taken over all of Europe and are about to take England and Russia too, save us America. Waaa, the Japanese have invaded large parts of Asia BEFORE you put sanctions on them and then surprise attacked you when you tried to restain them peacefully. Waaa, the League of Nations fell apart because it didn't have America to back it up, join the UN. Waaa, the UN can't do anything because all it's members are weak, America enforce our policies with your military. Waaa, America is using its military to enforce its own policies, do what we tell you not what's in your own best interests.

Compare America's "Imperialism" to that of real Imperialist nations of the past, like say Rome or all of Europe during the Age of Imperialism, then stop your whinning. When your country stops accepting American foreign aid or American protection then you can talk. Or how about this, when you're a Super Power then you can talk. You know who stopped Communist Russia from taking over all of Europe or prevented Kim Jong Il from ruling all of Korea instead of just half? If you said anyone but America you are wrong.

As for Iraq, the biggest threat in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia and terrorists. Before the war, most of our bases were in Saudi Arabia and we had no idea where the terrorists were. Now we have pulled most if not all our troops out of Saudi and all the terrorists are in one country killing themselves and other arabs while doing nothing on American shores. Plus we secured ourselves a steady supply of oil independent from Saudi Arabia. Clearly the war was a bad thing for the USA.

Of course, these are all rational arguements. As everyone that "hates" America seems to have the main complaint that America is arrogant, let me just say this. When you have the worlds largest economy, strongest military, most advanced technology, richest people, and are the world's only super power, what isn't there to be arrogant about?

As for our lack of culture... I guess that's why every other country in the world is so quick to adopt what America likes. Take for instance, McDonalds. You may not like American Culture or think it's superficial, but the truth is that it is more easily accessible and spreads faster than any other.

Pride and arrogance are two different things.
Pride is good.
Arrogance is repulsive.

Pride and arrogance are two different things.
Pride is good.
Arrogance is repulsive.

The only real difference between the two is your viewpoint. If you hate/are jealous of America then Americans are arrogant. If you are American and love your nation then you feel you are proud of it, not arrogant.

The only real difference between the two is your viewpoint. If you hate/are jealous of America then Americans are arrogant. If you are American and love your nation then you feel you are proud of it, not arrogant.

I don't hate America, I love it. Read previous posts before you jump to conclusions.

I never said you hated america. I'm pointing out that the difference between pride and arrogance is a fine one and generally depends on personal opinion.

I guess I'll stop jumping to conclusions then.
But I still think his form of "patriotism" is repulsive. I find it odd when someone like that can't understand why others might "hate" America.