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As a Republican I just wanted to say ‘Thank you’ to the democratic party for installing Howard ‘Screamin’ Dean as your new chairman and assuring a growing Republican congress for years to come. I look forward to having Hillary as your candidate for 08 so we can cinch up the Oval Office as well.

In a way I am saddened. I am a fiscal conservative but quite liberal on many social issues. The democrats have moved further left from center with each lost election - widening the gap to disproportionate margins compared to conservatives. Maybe they'll even gift-wrap the next election? Bush didn’t win the last election, democrats lost it. It was theirs for the taking but they were so far left they botched it.

So their answer? Move further left! LOL! Someone give Dean a bigger shovel, he’s gonna need it if the DNC refuses to stop digging....

I believe that electing Dean is a mistake, too. He's great for his far left base, and will unite liberals with socialists. However, I believe that he is alienating those in the center, the teamsters, the blacks, and the Hispanics. That's a large chunck of the Democrat party, and all those groups I mentioned can be quite conservative on social (and even some fiscal) issues.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with Dean. It's just idiotic conservatives who try to turn him into a Democratic Dubya.

As a Republican I just wanted to say ‘Thank you’ to the democratic party for installing Howard ‘Screamin’ Dean as your new chairman and assuring a growing Republican congress for years to come. I look forward to having Hillary as your candidate for 08 so we can cinch up the Oval Office as well.

In a way I am saddened. I am a fiscal conservative but quite liberal on many social issues. The democrats have moved further left from center with each lost election - widening the gap to disproportionate margins compared to conservatives. Maybe they'll even gift-wrap the next election? Bush didn’t win the last election, democrats lost it. It was theirs for the taking but they were so far left they botched it.

So their answer? Move further left! LOL! Someone give Dean a bigger shovel, he’s gonna need it if the DNC refuses to stop digging....

Ironic because the Democratic party is actually pretty right-wing.

Also, if you're a fiscal conservative and a social liberal...

WHY IN THE BLUE HELLS ARE YOU VOTING REPUBLICAN!?

The Republican party has become entirely dominated by the neo-conservatives, a group of extremely fiscally liberal, socially authoritarian, moralist war hawks.

Vote liberatarian.

Political scientists identify and define "Neo-conservative" as being little different from classical liberals. just ask my Polisci prof last year and how one of the exam questions was "Neo-conservatism is neither new nor conservative. Discuss." (I'd also submit Francis Fukuyama's latest writings as a clue to what neo-conservatism is)

That's the reality, that libertarians are true neo-conservatives, not the Republicans (though some Republicans lean that way). Leave it to liberals to believe that CNN is an accurate source of a term.

I would call Bush a So-Con or an extreme conservative, not a neo-con.

Ironic because the Democratic party is actually pretty right-wing.

Also, if you're a fiscal conservative and a social liberal...

WHY IN THE BLUE HELLS ARE YOU VOTING REPUBLICAN!?

The Republican party has become entirely dominated by the neo-conservatives, a group of extremely fiscally liberal, socially authoritarian, moralist war hawks.

Vote liberatarian.
Once the conservatives have a broad enough margin I plan to, until then it is fiscal suicide to give political power to the 'tax 'em till they die and then some more' jackass party. Give me elephants anytime.

Once the conservatives have a broad enough margin I plan to, until then it is fiscal suicide to give political power to the 'tax 'em till they die and then some more' jackass party. Give me elephants anytime.
lmao
"tax 'em till they die"

do you have to concentrate or does the bullshit just come to you?

i guess your all for the slash taxes and quadruple spending in pointless areas then slash pertinent funds

As a Republican I just wanted to say ‘Thank you’ to the democratic party for installing Howard ‘Screamin’ Dean as your new chairman <snip>You're quite welcome - hell, if he makes both Democrats and Republicans happy, sounds good to me! :D

lmao
"tax 'em till they die"

do you have to concentrate or does the bullshit just come to you?

i guess your all for the slash taxes and quadruple spending in pointless areas then slash pertinent funds
I'm all for spelling correctly and capitalizing occasionally. I do agree with B0zzy though, in that I think Howard Dean will be the nail in the coffin of the Democratic Party. Between him, and Nancy Pelosi, and Barbara Boxer, pretty soon they'll be working on nominating Gloria Steinem as Hillary's running mate for 2008. Then we'll see a 90-10 majority Republican Senate, John Conyers left as the only house Democrat (and that only because of jerry-mandering) and a Republican White House. The Democrats will get fewer votes than the Communist party, which is at least true to its principles.

Republicans are teh masters of gerry mandering, thats the only way shit like your scenarios will happen

It was theirs for the taking but they were so far left they botched it.

So their answer? Move further left! LOL! Someone give Dean a bigger shovel, he’s gonna need it if the DNC refuses to stop digging....
What do you mean by "move further left"? Different people have different interpretations of the phrase, what's your idea of it?

Apparently, the Democrats (or at least John Kerry) are still right of centre:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/USelection2004.gif

I believe that electing Dean is a mistake, too. He's great for his far left base, and will unite liberals with socialists. However, I believe that he is alienating those in the center, the teamsters, the blacks, and the Hispanics.
Isn't Dean's record as Vermont governor that of a fiscal conservative? He's also a member of the NRA. How is he left-wing?

Republicans are teh masters of gerry mandering
Illinois.

Illinois.
pennsylvania?

Apparently, the Democrats (or at least John Kerry) are still right of centre:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/USelection2004.gif


Isn't Dean's record as Vermont governor that of a fiscal conservative? He's also a member of the NRA. How is he left-wing?



I still have problems with that chart in regards to US politics. Provide a link as to how th echart is figured! People always post this crap and never provide a source to how it is figured.


Dean is left-wing. I guess you didn't hear or read just recently when he said he hates republicans and all of that. I guess you wouldn't hear it living in Ireland.

I still have problems with that chart in regards to US politics. Provide a link as to how th echart is figured! People always post this crap and never provide a source to how it is figured.


Dean is left-wing. I guess you didn't hear or read just recently when he said he hates republicans and all of that. I guess you wouldn't hear it living in Ireland.
whats your point? right wing people dont hate republicans? what bullshit, i know plenty of right wing people who despise republicans because of all this lying and warmongering shit along with idiotic fiscal ideas.

Republicans are teh masters of gerry mandering, thats the only way shit like your scenarios will happen
Eh, both political parties are masters of Gerrymandering...

post where he said he "hates Republicans" please.

If you think Dean is left-wing you are so far up Rush Limbaugh ass that the fumes are making you think funny.


And if you have a problem with Dean actually having been excited during the primaries then well thats just a damn shame if youc an't come up with anythign better not to liek him for.

And Republicans acts like Democrats are teh o nes doing all the shit talking.
Only a retard actually thinks that there was no looking down the nose from teh Republican side towards the Democrats.

pennsylvania?
California.

whats your point? right wing people dont hate republicans? what bullshit, i know plenty of right wing people who despise republicans because of all this lying and warmongering shit along with idiotic fiscal ideas.

My point is that even with no limbs, I still use capital letters.

BTW Why would a national political leader say stuff like that on national TV? Doesn't seem like the actions of a totally sane man. Nice party leader!!! ;)

California.
what teh fuck are we even naming?

My point is that even with no limbs, I still use capital letters.

BTW Why would a national political leader say stuff like that on national TV? Doesn't seem like the actions of a totally sane man. Nice party leader!!! ;)
Wow, you made a retort completely irrelevant of my question. And it seems to me, Dean is the saner one between you two.

Oh, and I might not use capitals but I know how many exclamation points it takes to make a person look like a dipshit - it's three or more.

California.

The term was coined here, so I think Massachusetts takes the cake.

post where he said he "hates Republicans" please.

If you think Dean is left-wing you are so far up Rush Limbaugh ass that the fumes are making you think funny.


And if you have a problem with Dean actually having been excited during the primaries then well thats just a damn shame if youc an't come up with anythign better not to liek him for.

And Republicans acts like Democrats are teh o nes doing all the shit talking.
Only a retard actually thinks that there was no looking down the nose from teh Republican side towards the Democrats.

Here you go Sumamba dumba: Linky Linky!! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html)

Wow, you made a retort completely irrelevant of my question. And it seems to me, Dean is the saner one between you two.

Oh, and I might not use capitals but I know how many exclamation points it takes to make a person look like a dipshit - it's three or more.

Dean is saner then I? Sorry cheese squares, but he is the one who saw a shrink and probably still does.

What exactly is a dipshit? Can you explain what exactly that means? Also where is it written that using 3 or more exclamation points makes you a dipshit?

Here you go Sumamba dumba: Linky Linky!! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html)


thanks for the link linky i gotta go to the John Buttwad - I hadn't heard that and think that was a completely stupid thing to say. I just lost quite a bit of respect for dean over that.

I still have problems with that chart in regards to US politics. Provide a link as to how th echart is figured! People always post this crap and never provide a source to how it is figured.

Dean is left-wing. I guess you didn't hear or read just recently when he said he hates republicans and all of that.
I don't know how their computer figures the positions, but it was pretty accurate when it gave me my score (see my sig).

Hating Republicans doesn't make one left-wing. The NS player Roach-Busters is one of the most anti-Republican (or Republicon, as he would say) posters here yet he is staunchly conservative.

BTW Why would a national political leader say stuff like that on national TV? Doesn't seem like the actions of a totally sane man. Nice party leader!!! ;)
Yes, and "God wants this war" is an entirely normal thing to say on TV. :rolleyes:

Once the conservatives have a broad enough margin I plan to, until then it is fiscal suicide to give political power to the 'tax 'em till they die and then some more' jackass party. Give me elephants anytime.

You sound like the typical partisan hack, so let me spell this out to you:

T-h-e-r-e

a-r-e

m-o-r-e

t-h-a-n

t-w-o

p-a-r-t-i-e-s

i-n

A-m-e-r-i-c-a

Get it? It's people like you that are going to be the death of the Great Experiment.

Wow ... you people really don't understand the way this works, do you?

It's all about "wait and see". Ok, so Dean is head of the DNC. Good for him. I like him and I think he'll do a great job. He's a master fund-raiser and is the only politician I have seen since Carter who can honestly call himself a "Uniter".

However, this does not signal the demise of the Party. We've been around for a long, long time and have survived all manner of changes in American society. When Reagan gained his 2nd term in a crushing defeat of Walter Mondale, every conservative pundit in the country was laughing their asses off about the death of the Democrats and then came Clinton in '92. Zowie. Some death.

Now ... just how in God's Green Earth(tm) can you say that the narrow re-election of the most divisive President since Coolidge is a signal of anything yet to come?

Will we run Hillary in 2008? No, actually, we won't. I will personally give an "I told you so, loser" to everyone here who has gazed into their crystal balls and screamed "You losers will run Hillary in 2008! HAHAHAHA".

We will, however, come around again to the majority. History has proven that we'll bounce back and forth with the ever changing political tides.

In short, take your thanks and stick right back up the ass you pulled it from.

Political scientists identify and define "Neo-conservative" as being little different from classical liberals. just ask my Polisci prof last year and how one of the exam questions was "Neo-conservatism is neither new nor conservative. Discuss." (I'd also submit Francis Fukuyama's latest writings as a clue to what neo-conservatism is)

That's the reality, that libertarians are true neo-conservatives, not the Republicans (though some Republicans lean that way). Leave it to liberals to believe that CNN is an accurate source of a term.

I would call Bush a So-Con or an extreme conservative, not a neo-con.

Actually, you're wrong.

I'm a real conservative. I believe in an extremely small government that knows not to spend billions on useless pork. I believe in a populace that can handle a real capitalist society. I believe in the populace securing their own freedoms and freeing their living places of such things as racism.

Actually, I feel that the only people in our country who really had it right were the founding fathers. They gave us a shot at paradise and we've been squandering it ever since.

Government really shouldn't have much of any role beyond making sure that the majority doesn't stomp on the minority and that the minority doesn't lord over the majority.

THAT is conservatism. I don't care what some pompous ivory tower "scholar" with an agenda has to say about shit, I care about what I feel in my heart.

And in truth, liberatarians are just reformed anarcho-capitalists.

Neo-conservatives, the liberally spending, authoritarian, war-mongering breed are little more than greedy pigs trying to justify their existance beyond stepping on as many people as possible so they can have an extra penny.

In a way, I'm a classical liberal, but differently. I understand that the current world couldn't handle my ideas, so I also believe in giving the world the education it needs to do so. In one way, I agree with Ralph Nader: we need a much larger focus on consumer education and related fields in our schools.

As a Republican I just wanted to say ‘Thank you’ to the democratic party for installing Howard ‘Screamin’ Dean as your new chairman and assuring a growing Republican congress for years to come.
I'm sure all the Democrats are screaming themselves deaf over this, or as some sort of initiation for Dean.

I'm sure all the Democrats are screaming themselves deaf over this, or as some sort of initiation for Dean.
I would so love to hear that, do you suppose we could get them to post mp3s or .wav's of it?

Yes, and "God wants this war" is an entirely normal thing to say on TV. :rolleyes:

Link please!

Hey Bozzy, you know who else is fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

Howard Dean.

The entire corruption of American politics is displayed by how one stupid scream can ruin a candidates presidential hopes, while lying to the American people only strengthens them.

Hey Bozzy, you know who else is fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

Howard Dean.

The entire corruption of American politics is displayed by how one stupid scream can ruin a candidates presidential hopes, while lying to the American people only strengthens them.
Yeah, it's like B0zzy just sees the (Democrat) next to Dean's name and thinks "OMG lefty"! He's judging by the party, not the man.

That's the reality, that libertarians are true neo-conservatives, not the Republicans (though some Republicans lean that way). Leave it to liberals to believe that CNN is an accurate source of a term.


lmao.....

Am I missing your context or are you joking?

Isn't Dean's record as Vermont governor that of a fiscal conservative? He's also a member of the NRA. How is he left-wing?

Don't know about the NRA, though other lefties like Michael Moore belong to it. Still, no one wins in the most liberal state in the union unless one is far to the left. Even though, for example, Sen. James Jeffords ran as a Republican, he turned to an independent midterm, and caucuses with the Democrats. Vermontians must have saw something in him.
In addition, Dean supported far left programs, like universal healthcare. And he is extremely critical of this administration. The only reason he was labeled fiscally conservative is because he has lots of revenue to work with. The programs he spends on are consistent with most liberals.

Dean supported far left programs, like universal healthcare.
This was the only part of your post that could make him left-wing. First off, universal healthcare is not "far left". It's pretty standard in most parts of the western world. Besides, Bill Clinton also supported universal healthcare, but he also pushed through the extremely pro-corporate NAFTA and trashed the welfare system with Republican help.

Don't know about the NRA, though other lefties like Michael Moore belong to it. Still, no one wins in the most liberal state in the union unless one is far to the left. Even though, for example, Sen. James Jeffords ran as a Republican, he turned to an independent midterm, and caucuses with the Democrats. Vermontians must have saw something in him.
In addition, Dean supported far left programs, like universal healthcare. And he is extremely critical of this administration. The only reason he was labeled fiscally conservative is because he has lots of revenue to work with. The programs he spends on are consistent with most liberals.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Vermont isn't the most left state of the union...

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Vermont isn't the most left state of the union...
But it is very close. Vermont's only Representative, Barry Sanders, is Congress's only socialist. He's been in office since the eighties.

Here is something that confuses me. Why are the republicans laughing about Dean getting elected DNC chairman when he is no more liberal than Dubya is conservative.

thanks for the link linky i gotta go to the John Buttwad - I hadn't heard that and think that was a completely stupid thing to say. I just lost quite a bit of respect for dean over that.
Too bad...you're stuck with him. Yeeeeaaaaaaggggghhhhh!

This was the only part of your post that could make him left-wing. First off, universal healthcare is not "far left". It's pretty standard in most parts of the western world. Besides, Bill Clinton also supported universal healthcare, but he also pushed through the extremely pro-corporate NAFTA and trashed the welfare system with Republican help.
It was more of Hillary's idea than Bill's, anyhow. But I consider it far left, as it is an element of socialism as traditionally defined. As for anything outside of healthcare, I can't classify it as left, right, up, or down. They all do the same thing, especially with education.

Here is something that confuses me. Why are the republicans laughing about Dean getting elected DNC chairman when he is no more liberal than Dubya is conservative.
because the average republican's intelligence level is lower than that of the party's mascot

Link please!
Don't hold your breath waiting for one...

because the average republican's intelligence level is lower than that of the party's mascot
You do realize that the elephant is much much smarter than the jackass, right?

Think about it...if you can.

Not that it matters, since you couldn't be bothered to go vote in 2004.

Don't know about the NRA, though other lefties like Michael Moore belong to it. Still, no one wins in the most liberal state in the union unless one is far to the left. Even though, for example, Sen. James Jeffords ran as a Republican, he turned to an independent midterm, and caucuses with the Democrats. Vermontians must have saw something in him.
In addition, Dean supported far left programs, like universal healthcare. And he is extremely critical of this administration. The only reason he was labeled fiscally conservative is because he has lots of revenue to work with. The programs he spends on are consistent with most liberals.
Micheal joined the NRA so that when Bush becomes dictator he can shoot him inbetween the eyes.
Also, fiscally conservative isn't about what you spend money on, its about not shoving spending through the roof while trying your damnest to do make taxes as negligible as possible.

You do realize that the elephant is much much smarter than the jackass, right?

Think about it...if you can.

Not that it matters, since you couldn't be bothered to go vote in 2004.
which is completely irrelevant to what i said

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Vermont isn't the most left state of the union...
that would be Hawaii, unless you are facing south, then it is Maine.

Here is the reasoning behind Dean. He is an AWESOME fundraiser. Also, he can mobilize the base like no-one else. Bush won on two things. One, he (with lots of help) mobilized the base (admitted, Republicans have an easier time at it, conservatives are more likely to rise up in indignation than liberals). Two, Kerry is a liberal, one of the most liberal senators we've had, but he pretended to be moderate while campaigning, no-one bought it. So, the DNC said, dammit, we're done pretending. Dean, its your time buddy.

Hey Bozzy, you know who else is fiscally conservative and socially liberal?

Howard Dean.
.

Proove it! (Link)

There certainly isw not a policy or platform statement within the first few layers of Dean's websites that discuss his beliefs or platform. He could support crack for kindergarten for all I can tell from his website.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
or even this one;
http://www.howarddeansong.com/

Proove it! (Link)

There certainly isw not a policy or platform statement within the first few layers of Dean's websites that discuss his beliefs or platform. He could support crack for kindergarten for all I can tell from his website.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
or even this one;
http://www.howarddeansong.com/
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/candidates/dean.html

You'd be looking at his record as governor.

Focusing full time on politics, Dean faced a $64 million deficit -- a number that gains significance from the state's small size --- just over 600,000 people.

During Dean's nearly 12-year tenure, the deficit turned into a surplus, and taxes were slashed. He instituted a program guaranteeing health-care coverage to virtually all children under 18, saw the child abuse rate cut in half and championed environmental causes, according to the nonpartisan political group Democracy in Action.

conservatives are more likely to rise up in indignation than liberals
Why? Why are U.S. liberals so comatose? If Republicans can haul out millions of right-wing Evangelists to vote against gay marriage, why can't Democrats bring out millions of liberals to vote for it? If liberals in America are that apathetic, do they even deserve anything other than a Republican government?

thanks for the link linky i gotta go to the John Buttwad - I hadn't heard that and think that was a completely stupid thing to say. I just lost quite a bit of respect for dean over that.
What exactly is the problem with that? The only people who would be offended were going to vote Republican anyway. Besides, it's no secret that Republicans hate what Democrats stand for too.

It was more of Hillary's idea than Bill's, anyhow. But I consider it far left, as it is an element of socialism as traditionally defined. As for anything outside of healthcare, I can't classify it as left, right, up, or down. They all do the same thing, especially with education.
Being anti-private corporations is traditionally socialist, as is being for social welfare. By "they all" I assume you mean Republicans and Democrats. Expand your mind, there are political ideologies beyond these two parties. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Democrats are not a socialist party.

Link please!
I remember Bush saying it on the news prior to the Iraq invasion. But I can't find a link for it now. Maybe I was wrong.

Being anti-private corporations is traditionally socialist, as is being for social welfare. By "they all" I assume you mean Republicans and Democrats. Expand your mind, there are political ideologies beyond these two parties. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Democrats are not a socialist party.

The Democrats as a whole aren't socialist. But the socialists do make up a faction of the Democrats, and Howard Dean belongs to them.
BTW, Democrats and Republicans are the only ones that get elected to the governor mansion. I think I can broadly label them.

I remember Bush saying it on the news prior to the Iraq invasion. But I can't find a link for it now. Maybe I was wrong.
Methinks you heard someone say they had heard it from someone else. Maybe even from Jabba the Moore?

Originally Posted by B0zzy
that would be Hawaii, unless you are facing south, then it is Maine.
Hawaii is socialist?

No, left as in on the left hand side. It was a pun.

The Democrats as a whole aren't socialist. But the socialists do make up a faction of the Democrats, and Howard Dean belongs to them.
Read post #50 in this thread. Socialists don't cut taxes.

BTW, Democrats and Republicans are the only ones that get elected to the governor mansion. I think I can broadly label them.
So you are ready to deny the existence of all non-Democrat and non-Republican political thought just because it's not popular in America?

Methinks you heard someone say they had heard it from someone else. Maybe even from Jabba the Moore?
No, I'm pretty sure I saw the prez himself saying it on TV. Anyway it doesn't matter. And I am not a follower of Michael Moore.

No, left as in on the left hand side. It was a pun.
Damn, didn't get that. silly me

Why? Why are U.S. liberals so comatose? If Republicans can haul out millions of right-wing Evangelists to vote against gay marriage, why can't Democrats bring out millions of liberals to vote for it? If liberals in America are that apathetic, do they even deserve anything other than a Republican government?

Uh, we liberals did. 57 million of us, more votes for Kerry than Reagan. I don't know where the 12 million 'extra' evangelists came from (bu$h* received about 48 million votes in 2000), as I would presume that at least some bought bu$h*'s 'restoring honor and integrity to the WH' in 2000 and voted for teh $hrub back then.

And as for teh gerrymandering, why has no one mentioned

TEXAS!!!!111!!!

*Teh only president in history to be chosen by the judiciary--from a strictly Constitutional point of view, disputed elections should be resolved by Congress.

Uh, we liberals did. 57 million of us, more votes for Kerry than Reagan.
Well, 57 million was not enough. You should have tried harder. The world was counting on you.

Well, 57 million was not enough. You should have tried harder. The world was counting on you.

Well, like I said, I don't know where bu$h*'s extra 12 million votes came from--I believe Karl Rove calculated there were 4 million evangelicals that didn't turn out in 2000. The numbers on the bu$h* side don't add up with respect to demographics.

I personally think that bu$h* has his own Watergate coming, and yes, I do think it has something to do with electronic ballot stuffing. Something doesn't smell right when voting machine manufacturers refuse to have the source code audited.

If you want to dismiss this as "OMG c0nspiracy th30ry!!!!1111!," go right ahead--but I bet conservatives dismissed grumblings of Nixon corruption as conspiracy theories until it blew up in his face, too. Don't know for sure, though, as I didn't exist back then.

Attention America:

I've decided that both of your two main political parties are full of crap. Please vote for different parties this time around. Libertarian, Communist, Green, whatever. Just shake things up a little, so that the Republicans and Democrats might TRY to do something of value for a change.

Sincerely,

Canada.

Attention America:

I've decided that both of your two main political parties are full of crap. Please vote for different parties this time around. Libertarian, Communist, Green, whatever. Just shake things up a little, so that the Republicans and Democrats might TRY to do something of value for a change.

Sincerely,

Canada.

LOL :D

If Dean purges the corporate influence in the Democratic party and replaces it with grass-roots fundraising, the Dems might not be so full of crap in 2008. But that is an if that we're talking about here.

I personally think that bu$h* has his own Watergate coming, and yes, I do think it has something to do with electronic ballot stuffing. Something doesn't smell right when voting machine manufacturers refuse to have the source code audited.

If you want to dismiss this as "OMG c0nspiracy th30ry!!!!1111!," go right ahead--but I bet conservatives dismissed grumblings of Nixon corruption as conspiracy theories until it blew up in his face, too. Don't know for sure, though, as I didn't exist back then.
It's definitely possible, especially given that the CEO of Diebold publicly said that he would ensure that Bush won Ohio.

If Dean purges the corporate influence in the Democratic party
Probably not possible.

Read post #50 in this thread. Socialists don't cut taxes.
However, I never said he was a socialist. He may be far to the left, but not quite socialist. He does, however, have many socialist policies.
In any case, I wonder what he did cut. If it was money to inefficient pork projects, then I would agree that he could cut taxes. But he certainly wouldn't dare make significant cuts in Medicaid and such. Even Republican governors don't dare do that.
So you are ready to deny the existence of all non-Democrat and non-Republican political thought just because it's not popular in America?
No. But when talking in terms of domestic American politics, it is not relevant. It may be different in an election, but not now.

Probably not possible.

Well, I can have my pipe dream, can't I? :D

Seriously, though, Dean sure as hell isn't as tied in with corrupt money as Terry McAulliffe was. *resists urge to puke at mention of McAulliffe*

Attention America:

I've decided that both of your two main political parties are full of crap. Please vote for different parties this time around. Libertarian, Communist, Green, whatever. Just shake things up a little, so that the Republicans and Democrats might TRY to do something of value for a change.

Sincerely,

Canada.

Attention Canadian:

It is the system that is screwed up, not the components. Were we to elect a Green candidate or a Libertarian candidate, we would still be stuck with career-first politicians with brilliant marketing plans and less than stellar moral codes.

Sincerely,

Pessimistic American

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/candidates/dean.html

You'd be looking at his record as governor.

Focusing full time on politics, Dean faced a $64 million deficit -- a number that gains significance from the state's small size --- just over 600,000 people.

During Dean's nearly 12-year tenure, the deficit turned into a surplus, and taxes were slashed. He instituted a program guaranteeing health-care coverage to virtually all children under 18, saw the child abuse rate cut in half and championed environmental causes, according to the nonpartisan political group Democracy in Action.
Nope, nothing there but a history. Nothing about his vision for America. The only mention is where the Democrats called him too liberal. Frankly his resume is not very impressive consider all fifty states experienced similar economic momentum in that period. Anyone can look good when the weather is fair, but how well can he fare a storm? I think we all know the answer to that. "Aiiigh!"

Nope, nothing there but a history. Nothing about his vision for America. The only mention is where the Democrats called him too liberal. Frankly his resume is not very impressive consider all fifty states experienced similar economic momentum in that period. Anyone can look good when the weather is fair, but how well can he fare a storm? I think we all know the answer to that. "Aiiigh!"

I am glad to see that an idiotic scream is more than enough for you to denounce a politician.

LOL :D

If Dean purges the corporate influence in the Democratic party and replaces it with grass-roots fundraising, the Dems might not be so full of crap in 2008. But that is an if that we're talking about here.
Right! Who needs special interests. Get rid of the voice of corporate america. Who needs their jobs and products? Not Democrats! Just to make it fair we'll also get rid of the trial lawyers lobby, the labor lobby, the sierra club and associated lobbies, and we'll just put in a phone bank with 1-900 numbers so everyone can be heard equally.

I am glad to see that an idiotic scream is more than enough for you to denounce a politician.
Oh it was over waaay before that. It was just the icing on the cake. or maybe more like an after dinner mint. (burp)

Link please!

Here ya are :)

One source:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0630-04.htm

...and from http://bushwatch.org/evangelist.htm

BUSH TELLS PALESTINIAN PM GOD MADE HIM ATTACK IRAQ..."God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Ha'aretz, 06.25.03

The Washington Post subsequently reported that a call to the White House for clarification went unanswered. A number of reports* cautioned that Bush's exact words may have been lost in translation, but no alternate translation or attendee has contradicted the meaning expressed in the Ha'aretz translation. Bush's belief that he is acting as the hand of God has been well documented this past year, and his comments to Abbas wouldn't be the first time Bush has used his religious beliefs to score political points. Anyone who is capable of calling an empty trailer found in Iraq a Weapon of Mass Destruction is perfectly capable of telling a religious Arab that God told him to invade Iraq. --Politex, 07.01.03

Earlier, Jackson Lears in the New York Times reported Bush as saying, "''Events aren't moved by blind change and chance''..., but by ''the hand of a just and faithful God.'' From the outset he has been convinced that his presidency is part of a divine plan, even telling a friend while he was governor of Texas, ''I believe God wants me to run for president.'' This conviction that he is doing God's will has surfaced more openly since 9/11. In his State of the Union addresses and other public forums, he has presented himself as the leader of a global war against evil. As for a war in Iraq, ''we do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them.'' God is at work in world affairs, he says, calling for the United States to lead a liberating crusade in the Middle East, and ''this call of history has come to the right country.''"

"And this is the mindset--or rather, the primitive fever-dream--that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain--out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness--has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty." --Chris Floyd, God made me do it, says St. George

And the FULL original article:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

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Draw your own conclusions

It's foolish for Republicans to make a big deal over Dean in this way - laughing over it, thanking Democrats for choosing him. It's hubris, and they will regret it, I believe; behavior of this kind, in the seat of power, always comes back to bite you on the ass. Before you judge Dean, watch, listen, pay careful attention to what he does. If he proves to be the death of the DNC - then go ahead and laugh. But if he turns out to be the GOP's nightmare... half of the beltway will be spending a couple years pulling it's collective foot out of it's mouth.

It has been speculated that Dean may be the key to the South for the Democrats; the Republicans have managed to masquerade as the "guns, gays and God" party to the South, confusing the issues and using rhetoric to make Democrats appear as effeminate, God-hating gun thieves with a "homosexual agenda." Dean, however, may be the antidote for this poison that has been insidiously administered. He governed a very rural state successfully and worked very well with the NRA - two things he has going for him in the South. If he can bring the South to focus on economic/domestic issues, he'll be able to make them realize the truth about the GOP; he might be able to make them forget about the Gays and God slander that they've been using so effectively.

The Democrats need the South to retake D.C. If Dean can pull it off, he'll be hailed as the savior of the DNC. All depends on whether or not he has what it takes. But he's honest. He's strong-willed. He's fiery [something I consider a virtue, personally, ESPECIALLY in today's political climate]. He's openly left-wing and progressive, and not ashamed of it, because he knows what it means to be truly Progressive.

Ah, and a note on the gerrymandering: Definitely Texas! Damn DeLay! But, have you heard about the Governator's push to have an independent commission re-district California fairly in light of the incumbency rate? I love him to death!