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How do you know when the Son of God is reborn? And how many people were put into asylums for saying they were Jesus? What if they are, and he just keeps trying and trying, yet failing every time due to the increasing atheistic views of the world?

PS. I'm a Jew. Not a very good one; I've been to a temple maybe three times.

I worship the God of Hockey. We've been bad and he's punishing us this season...

I know the Son of God exists on earth, the bastard still owes me 50 bucks.

mehh, it would just start another 2000 years of constant wars about him/her/it

How do you know when the Son of God is reborn? And how many people were put into asylums for saying they were Jesus? What if they are, and he just keeps trying and trying, yet failing every time due to the increasing atheistic views of the world?

PS. I'm a Jew. Not a very good one; I've been to a temple maybe three times.
You should read "The Brothers Karamazov" theres a bit in it that kinda describes what you are saying.

If it was jesus couldnt he just start performing miracles and get himself out. Like seriously he is sposed to be the son of the dude that created the world he should no a trick or two

What if Jesus already came back, and we killed him?
That would suck.

Hell, I'll kill him the second time around, that crazy son of a bitch.

Jesus? Alive? Where? *loads gun*

How do you know when the Son of God is reborn? And how many people were put into asylums for saying they were Jesus? What if they are, and he just keeps trying and trying, yet failing every time due to the increasing atheistic views of the world?

PS. I'm a Jew. Not a very good one; I've been to a temple maybe three times.

The most common claim by inmates of Asylums in the US is that they are Jesus.

Ive already thought of this so what if Waco guy was Jesus??????????????

If it was jesus couldnt he just start performing miracles and get himself out. Like seriously he is sposed to be the son of the dude that created the world he should no a trick or two

If he couldn't save his own life 2000 years ago, he sure as hell count get out of modern prisons.

Unless he has a good lawyer. In which case, he could pull a Sodom and be elected president the next day.

He's not going to be reborn/reincarnated.

Christians don't believe in reincarnation, only resurrection.

Jesus is going to fly down from heaven and levitate above Jeruselam.

Like Superman?! WOOOOOOOO!! Go Jesus!

How do you know when the Son of God is reborn? And how many people were put into asylums for saying they were Jesus? What if they are, and he just keeps trying and trying, yet failing every time due to the increasing atheistic views of the world?

PS. I'm a Jew. Not a very good one; I've been to a temple maybe three times.

It says in the Bible that when Jesus comes everyone will know imediately that it's him and that he's here. I very much doubt anyone would kill Jesus again simply because the first time round it was what God wanted to happen. If you try to kill Jesus this time, his angels will kick your ass. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

I don't think that levitating above Jerusalem would be such a good idea... I mean a few sidewinders from the Israeli AF or a few Patriots would soemwhat shorten his trip.

Angels... bah I say. Angels can't kick ass to save their own wings.

Ok, as I see it, if Jesus came back for a second time, then surely this would prove the Christian claim that he is the Son of God correct. Now if that's true, I don't really see us being able to kill him again. Anyway, when he does return, it will be the end of the world and of all time according to the Bible. We won't be around to kill him!

Here's one for you then. What would happen if we found some of Jesus' DNA and cloned him? Would he be divine, or would he just be a normal human? What are the ethics in cloning Jesus?

I don't think that levitating above Jerusalem would be such a good idea... I mean a few sidewinders from the Israeli AF or a few Patriots would soemwhat shorten his trip.

Angels... bah I say. Angels can't kick ass to save their own wings.

I'd like to see you take on an angel, mate.

I worship the God of Hockey. We've been bad and he's punishing us this season...

aint that the truth

How do you know when the Son of God is reborn? And how many people were put into asylums for saying they were Jesus? What if they are, and he just keeps trying and trying, yet failing every time due to the increasing atheistic views of the world?

PS. I'm a Jew. Not a very good one; I've been to a temple maybe three times.
Well, if a reborn Jesus is not capable of drawing attention then Yahweh is doing a bad job and we need not care anyways.

If he couldn't save his own life 2000 years ago, he sure as hell count get out of modern prisons.

Unless he has a good lawyer. In which case, he could pull a Sodom and be elected president the next day.


if u have read the bible he could have saved his own life he didnt cause he had to die for our sins

I think the real question we should all think about is, what if Jesus came back and killed you?

:D

if u have read the bible he could have saved his own life he didnt cause he had to die for our sins

Why was that exactly? :D

well then ild go and buy a crusifix and crusifi him

Yeah, what if jesus was concieved but then got aborted because mary part 2 was a 15 year old on social welfare? wouldn't that be another great argument against abortion? :rolleyes:

I think if you cloned jesus it would just be any old guy, mostly because I think jesus was, despite being a great religious leader, just any old guy. to be quite honest.

If you try to kill Jesus this time, his angels will kick your ass. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:
Beautifully stated!! :D

I think the real question we should all think about is, what if Jesus came back and killed you?

:D
I think HE is recording names from this thread as we type. :eek:

Ah, here I am again, with my latest offense. Here are my views on things;

If Jesus came back, it wouldn't matter. He's too late. Satan's already here, disguised as Bush.

If Jesus came back, as it was prior stated, it would be the end of everything. Who the Hell wants that to happen? He should stay gone.

If Jesus came back, and Bush's vapid brand of evil didn't finish him off before he could end everything, I'm pretty sure the rest of us could manage pretty well on our own. The most Jesus can manage is miracles, and while that's great and all, we made sliced bread. How can he compete with that? Technology kicks Magic's ass, though I hate to that to my level 42 mage...

If Jesus came back, he'd be a goth. He'd see how much sin we've committed in his absence, and even in his name, and just go slit his wrists and cry about it. (Now, go ahead and take offense if you're a goth. I like making people mad. But before you flame me, goths are hot. As long as they're guys. Girls are icky.)

Hah. Yep. I started off with logical points, then by my fourth 'point' I was reduced to rambling. So, yeah. I'm done here. See ya.

if u have read the bible he could have saved his own life he didnt cause he had to die for our sinsThat's only because he messed up in Creation and let the Enemy out.

What if Jesus already came back, and we killed him?

what do you mean by WE, kemosabe?

What if Jesus already came back, and we killed him?

what do you mean by WE, kemosabe?
Didn't you know that everybody on NS is secretly part of a conspiracy to free Lucifer and overthrow all morality?

I know, shocking, isn't it. I didn't even know about it until Kemosabe exposed it!

It says in the Bible that when Jesus comes everyone will know imediately that it's him and that he's here. I very much doubt anyone would kill Jesus again simply because the first time round it was what God wanted to happen. If you try to kill Jesus this time, his angels will kick your ass. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

Yeah, but remember, the Jews were expecting a military leader out of the first messiah. If there is a second coming, it will probably be a whole lot different than what we expect, yet still fufilling the same prophesies.

if u have read the bible he could have saved his own life he didnt cause he had to die for our sins

Okay, I got a quick question for anyone that can answer it for me. I've been wondering about this for a long time. When Jesus is on earth thousands of years ago, he supposedly knows what he's there for. He knows he has to spread the word of God and die for the sins of the people. He is the son of God, and, according to some churches, god himself. Then why does he cry and call out to God in the days before his crucifixtion(sp?). I believe he goes up the mount and asks that "this cup" be taken from him. Jesus doesn't want to die. But he's the son of God, or God. He knew this was what his whole life was culminating to. He knew his death would save humanity. Why ask not to die? He wouldn't stay dead anyway, something he well knew.

Didn't you know that everybody on NS is secretly part of a conspiracy to free Lucifer and overthrow all morality?

I know, shocking, isn't it. I didn't even know about it until Kemosabe exposed it!
sorry but we have to kill you now. and you were such an asset to the forum

*sigh*

answer the knock, neo

Okay, I got a quick question for anyone that can answer it for me. I've been wondering about this for a long time. When Jesus is on earth thousands of years ago, he supposedly knows what he's there for. He knows he has to spread the word of God and die for the sins of the people. He is the son of God, and, according to some churches, god himself. Then why does he cry and call out to God in the days before his crucifixtion(sp?). I believe he goes up the mount and asks that "this cup" be taken from him. Jesus doesn't want to die. But he's the son of God, or God. He knew this was what his whole life was culminating to. He knew his death would save humanity. Why ask not to die? He wouldn't stay dead anyway, something he well knew.
jesus was human. according to theology he was both fully god and fully human (no i dont know how that works, ask a jesuit)

so he didnt WANT to die. just like anyone else he would have liked to avoid it. that part of the bible is to emphasize his humanity and his CHOICE. he wasnt a god-bot. he was a man who had just had a fabulous week. he would have liked to keep going. so he did what "kids" do, he asked his dad to change the rules for him. cheat a bit maybe. then he made his choice and accepted his fate. so in the end he wasnt a sacrificial lamb with no choice. he was a man/god who decided to take the sins of humanity on himself.

What if we kill him? Mmmh... perhaps we can make it look like an accident: "Well, he was just walking here and the cross fell on him. When we picked it up he was stuck to it. Weird, eh?"

It says in the Bible that when Jesus comes everyone will know imediately that it's him and that he's here. I very much doubt anyone would kill Jesus again simply because the first time round it was what God wanted to happen. If you try to kill Jesus this time, his angels will kick your ass. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

You mean "like a thief in the night."

jesus was human. according to theology he was both fully god and fully human (no i dont know how that works, ask a jesuit)

so he didnt WANT to die. just like anyone else he would have liked to avoid it. that part of the bible is to emphasize his humanity and his CHOICE. he wasnt a god-bot. he was a man who had just had a fabulous week. he would have liked to keep going. so he did what "kids" do, he asked his dad to change the rules for him. cheat a bit maybe. then he made his choice and accepted his fate. so in the end he wasnt a sacrificial lamb with no choice. he was a man/god who decided to take the sins of humanity on himself.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (Tim 2:5)

Like Superman?! WOOOOOOOO!! Go Jesus!

Yeah like Superman. Shooting bolts of lightning from his eyes and thunder from his arse.

What if we kill him? Mmmh... perhaps we can make it look like an accident: "Well, he was just walking here and the cross fell on him. When we picked it up he was stuck to it. Weird, eh?"

We did kill Him in Persia, and His name is the Bab which means the Gate. He was the first trumpet blast. The Gate prepared the way for the coming of Baha'u'llah whose name means the Glory of God, the second trumpet blast.

What if Jesus already came back, and we killed him?

1. Who would've done that? A satan worshiper?

2. He would just come back. He's Jesus, the Jews tried to kill him, right? :headbang:

Yeah like Superman. Shooting bolts of lightning from his eyes and thunder from his arse.
isreali (sp!?) picks up a floating person. umm.. launch the fighter planes. i dont care if you think its jesus. its bout to be on some plane's windshiled.

1. Who would've done that? A satan worshiper?

2. He would just come back. He's Jesus, the Jews tried to kill him, right? :headbang:
nono. romans killed him

1. Who would've done that? A satan worshiper?

2. He would just come back. He's Jesus, the Jews tried to kill him, right? :headbang:

The second time He was killed by Muslim clerics because the religion He started was too popular and they were afraid. After the death of the Bab came Baha'u'llah who started the Baha'i Faith. Look it up if you don't believe me.

43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.

43:5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.

(King James Bible, Ezekiel)

The Bible makes it clear that when Jesus returns, we will know.

At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

“At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

The Bible makes it clear that when Jesus returns, we will know.

How do you reconcile this with like a Thief in the night. Be always on the watch...Luke 21:36

And what about this. You must use your spiritual eye with the quotes you provided, look for the spiritual meaning.

13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch

(King James Bible, Mark)

Ok, as I see it, if Jesus came back for a second time, then surely this would prove the Christian claim that he is the Son of God correct. Now if that's true, I don't really see us being able to kill him again. Anyway, when he does return, it will be the end of the world and of all time according to the Bible. We won't be around to kill him!


The last thing ANY religion needs, is a god that can actually be seen to exist.

The current incarnations of the 'christian' church would be at the forefront of whatever movement destroyed a returning Messiah.

The last thing ANY religion needs, is a god that can actually be seen to exist.

The current incarnations of the 'christian' church would be at the forefront of whatever movement destroyed a returning Messiah.

Sing it loud and sing it often!!

The Bible makes it clear that when Jesus returns, we will know.

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Persia is east of Israel. The start of the Bab's Ministry began at almost the same time as the first telegraph message was sent out by Samuel F.B. Morse, "What has God wrought." Upon the death of the Bab the sky turned dark at midday. There are many other "proofs" if you will only put side what you have been told was true by the religious leaders and think and decide for yourself what is true. Remember it was the religious leaders who prevented the common people from understanding who Christ was the first time.

We did kill Him in Persia, and His name is the Bab which means the Gate. He was the first trumpet blast. The Gate prepared the way for the coming of Baha'u'llah whose name means the Glory of God, the second trumpet blast.
So, did it look like an accident?

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; and He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matthew 24:29-31 RSV)

I think we'll notice when he returns.......

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; and He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matthew 24:29-31 RSV)

Sounds like a party at my house. " And Lo, for Gabriel shalt vomit copiously into the lager of Zebidee, and then shalt loudly sing. And even and in spite of the word of the Lord, someone called Ted whom no-one knows shalt make his bed on the sofa."

And what if the reason for global warming is that the Aztecs stopped sacrificing war-prisoners and virgins to xliapolaxpotalec?

So, did it look like an accident?

No it did not look like an accident. 750 soldiers fired and severed the ropes that bound the Bab to the post where He was tied. When the smoke lifted He was found unharmed in the jail cell they had taken Him from. They tied Him up again and fired again. This time the muskets balls found their mark and He was killed. Not one musket ball hit His face. This was witnessed by European Dr who wrote about it in his journal. A terrible storm came up that darkened the noon day sky.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; and He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matthew 24:29-31 RSV)

I think we'll notice when he returns.......

Do you notice the thief who comes into your home at night takes something and then leaves, the whole event happens while you are sleeping. Why are you warned to be ever watchfull? What if you are wrong? What if the quote you used is not meant to be taken in a literal sense? What if it is meant in a spiritual sense?


13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch

(King James Bible, Mark)

Do you notice the thief who comes into your home at night takes something and then leaves, the whole event happens while you are sleeping. Why are you warned to be ever watchfull? What if you are wrong? What if the quote you used is not meant to be taken in a literal sense? What if it is meant in a spiritual sense?


13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch

(King James Bible, Mark)

We dont know at what point he will return, but when he returns we will know it clearly.

It is clear that Jesus will not come as a "thief in the night" for watchful believers, because in the very same passage, verse 4, Paul tells us, "But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief." If we are trusting in Christ and looking for His coming, Paul said that even the very DAY does not have to surprise us.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief" (Revelation 3:3, KJV), obviously saying He will come as a thief only to those not watching.

When the Bible tells us that Christ will return "like a thief in the night", this doesn't mean he's going to sneak up on us at 2 o'clock in the morning. It's telling us that we don't when, "what day and hour", that he'll come again. No matter what you're doing at that precise moment, no matter how deep in thought, or how distracted you are by the noises of the traffic around you or the kids arguing in the backyard, you'll suddenly be aware of something out of the ordinary. The presence of the Almighty God will surround you and permeate you're very soul. The faithful will rejoice and the, until then, disbelievers will tremble in fear.

2Thessalonians 1:7
This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Jude 1:14
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones."

Matthew 26:64
Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

We dont know at what point he will return, but when he returns we will know it clearly.

It is clear that Jesus will not come as a "thief in the night" for watchful believers, because in the very same passage, verse 4, Paul tells us, "But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief." If we are trusting in Christ and looking for His coming, Paul said that even the very DAY does not have to surprise us.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief" (Revelation 3:3, KJV), obviously saying He will come as a thief only to those not watching.

When the Bible tells us that Christ will return "like a thief in the night", this doesn't mean he's going to sneak up on us at 2 o'clock in the morning. It's telling us that we don't when, "what day and hour", that he'll come again. No matter what you're doing at that precise moment, no matter how deep in thought, or how distracted you are by the noises of the traffic around you or the kids arguing in the backyard, you'll suddenly be aware of something out of the ordinary. The presence of the Almighty God will surround you and permeate you're very soul. The faithful will rejoice and the, until then, disbelievers will tremble in fear.

2Thessalonians 1:7
This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Jude 1:14
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones."

Matthew 26:64
Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

The clouds mean the things that interfer with humankinds ability to recognise the Return.


6:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The clouds mean the things that interfer with humankinds ability to recognise the Return.


6:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

what?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

what?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17: "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I am not going to go back and forth trades quotes anymore tonight. Just so you understand what claims the Baha'i Faith and Baha'u'llah are making. The Promised Day Has Come, all of the prophecies have been fulfilled by Baha'u'llah. You may not believe, this that is your right. They are many website and books in libraries all around the country if care to investigate.

And what if the reason for global warming is that the Aztecs stopped sacrificing war-prisoners and virgins to xliapolaxpotalec?

Took him a while to realize, didn't it?

We've already killed him plain and simple.

Jesus came back as Tupac, obiovously. EVERYONE knows that. And Notorious B.I.G killed him. So, in essence, we should blame all East Coast rappers for the death of the Saviour. Shame really....he coulda put out a few more hits.