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I dont know what ya'll have been smoking, but it sure messed with your minds pretty good. I have seen alot of you say 'There may be aliens' or 'I dont belive in aliens' or something like that. It is crap. The End

The universe began as a tiny ultra-super dense ball. We dont know how big, then one day its girlfriend left it or something and it blew up. All the matter stuffed in it got spread all ovwer the universe. The matter was not infinate, but there was a lot of it! The Universe will go on for a seemingly infinite time form the center, where the sad little ball of matter lived, before it exploded. This space is so huge, so massive, so big that many of us have simply given over to beliving it is infinate, its not. The force of the blast from that ball eventualy dies out and the universe stopped spreading and cooled, and solidified, making planets and stuff like that. There are more planets than we have writen numbers for, oh well. Through a series of extreamly improbible situations the first life appeared on this planet, as it did on many others, some earlier, some later, but it did, and it may be continuing to do this even now. God had no part in this, unless he convinced the ultra-super dense marbles girlfriend to leave him.

God was invented by early man to explain things they did not understand, like orbits, or gravity for that matter. Some people still belive that he crated man but he did not, that little marble and that explosion did.

Argue about this for awhile if you want, I have to get up tommorow to go to church...

I dont know what ya'll have been smoking, but it sure messed with your minds pretty good. I have seen alot of you say 'There may be aliens' or 'I dont belive in aliens' or something like that. It is crap. The End

The universe began as a tiny ultra-super dense ball. We dont know how big, then one day its girlfriend left it or something and it blew up. All the matter stuffed in it got spread all ovwer the universe. The matter was not infinate, but there was a lot of it! The Universe will go on for a seemingly infinite time form the center, where the sad little ball of matter lived, before it exploded. This space is so huge, so massive, so big that many of us have simply given over to beliving it is infinate, its not. The force of the blast from that ball eventualy dies out and the universe stopped spreading and cooled, and solidified, making planets and stuff like that. There are more planets than we have writen numbers for, oh well. Through a series of extreamly improbible situations the first life appeared on this planet, as it did on many others, some earlier, some later, but it did, and it may be continuing to do this even now. God had no part in this, unless he convinced the ultra-super dense marbles girlfriend to leave him.

God was invented by early man to explain things they did not understand, like orbits, or gravity for that matter. Some people still belive that he crated man but he did not, that little marble and that explosion did.

Argue about this for awhile if you want, I have to get up tommorow to go to church...

I find this most ironic. You don't believe in God yet you are going to one of his houses to acknowledge him.
Am I the only one to see the irony here?

Come again?

nope, I see it too.

Come again?
i can only come once a time

There are more planets than we have writen numbers for, oh well.

Ever used the search engine google? Are you aware of what it means? (Mind you I've been aware of this since 1st grade, ie, well before google the search engine existed). Anyway, a googol is 1 x 10^100, or

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

That my friend is a very large number. Now then though there might be more than a googol of planets. That my friend is why there is the googolplex. Or 1 x (10)^(10^100) Or the number 1 followed by a google of 0s.

If you would like to witness the actually size of a googolplex I suggest you follow this link http://www.fpx.de/fp/Fun/Googolplex/plex.exe and download a program that will attempt to display a googleplex on your screen. Though you'll find that it is actually useless to run this program because it won't finish until after you have died, well well after you have died. As in a few thousand years after you have died. However in about 550 years following Moore's law we should have a computer fast enough to run that program in a useful amount of time.

What is more interesting is that you couldn't really write out a googolplex because there isn't really enough matter in the universe to use to write it out on. At least not at a legible size.

As a side note if you were to count at two numbers a second, it would take you 1.584 * 1090 centuries to count to a googol, let alone a googolplex (ie, going 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 …). Fun huh?

IE, IMO I think we've named enough numbers to account for every planet in the universe

The universe is infinite. The googelplex is just mind blowingly huge.

Why is this thread about aliens, when we aren't even talking about them?

There of course may or may not be extraterrestial life. Water sources have been found on Mars, which links to the probable conclusion that there MIGHT have been life on Mars...Also, there is the Panspermia theory, whcih states that organisms on earth came from another planet...Entirely possible...What do you all think?

Aliens work hard for less moneys.

The universe is infinite. The googelplex is just mind blowingly huge.

The Universe is not infinite, it is a set amount of matter.

Entirely true, but the Universe is ever expanding, correct? It has to be...What would then be around the universe if it was non-everexpanding?

Wait; if the universe is a set amout of matter how does it end? And if there is an infinite amount where do we put it all. Damnit, someone get Stepen Hawking.

Perhaps another dimension?

Wow!! That guy is amazing. I saw his universe films, and was astouned, anyways...The problem is, we cannot know, and will NEVER know. There always has to be something after the other...

Man, what is the universe if it is in a dimension?

The Universe is huge, so mind boggling huge it makes Aunt Helda look small.

Why is this thread about aliens, when we aren't even talking about them?Cos the Aliens do have a decent Computer... :D

I find this most ironic. You don't believe in God yet you are going to one of his houses to acknowledge him.
Am I the only one to see the irony here?
I go to church, but only to avoid conflict with my family, in the same way you must participate in the tribal dance on certain Pacific islands or you will be cannibalized. You don't have to believe in their deities, you simply don't want to be eaten.

Entirely true, but the Universe is ever expanding, correct? It has to be...What would then be around the universe if it was non-everexpanding?

Emptiness. Total vacuum, the complete absence of matter.

Entirely true, but the Universe is ever expanding, correct? It has to be...What would then be around the universe if it was non-everexpanding?

Um, maybe it isn't. It depends if the gravitational attraction of the total mass of the universe is great enough to overcome the momentum imparted by the "marble" blowing its top.

Oh, what is around it, well you see it is actually infinite, just bounded, thats all. So there is no around it, it is all that there is.

Emptiness. Total vacuum, the complete absence of matter.
But that's part of the Universe.

Um, maybe it isn't. It depends if the gravitational attraction of the total mass of the universe is great enough to overcome the momentum imparted by the "marble" blowing its top.

Oh, what is around it, well you see it is actually infinite, just bounded, thats all. So there is no around it, it is all that there is.


So you could think of the universe as an outward spiril being drawn onto paper?

Wait; if the universe is a set amout of matter how does it end? And if there is an infinite amount where do we put it all. Damnit, someone get Stepen Hawking.

You don't need Hawking for this. X is the amount of matter in the universe. It is constantly expanding and moving outwards. The "space" in the universe in infinite. The amount of matter is set.

There is something behind it. It wouldn't be there if it weren't. These things cannot and will never be know to mankind.(They have 1000 years before the sun bows up)

So you could think of the universe as an outward spiril being drawn onto paper?

Except that there is no paper, and no spiral, yes.

But that's part of the Universe.

No its not. The "size" of the universe is infinite. The content of that universe is of a set amount.

I get it now. The "universe" as we know it is just a tiny little blip on a grand scale of infinite nothingness.

There is no nothing!!

I get it now. The "universe" as we know it is just a tiny little blip on a grand scale of infinite nothingness.

Wrong. There is no nothingness, all there is is the universe. (that is detectable at least for the M-theory crowd) It is infinite, but bounded.

Wait; if the universe is a set amout of matter how does it end? And if there is an infinite amount where do we put it all. Damnit, someone get Stepen Hawking.
The nothingness that surrounds the Universe is infinite.

BTW Re: Aliens
Laws of probability state that there are almost 100% certainly aliens out there, in fact, it is extremely likely that paralell earths exist. The theory goes as such:
Imagine everything we on earth need to live as being surrounded by a sphere, namely our solar system plus a good chunk space around it. That sphere can only fit a certain number of protons within it (think extremely tightly packed protons). Now think of every proton in that sphere as being on or off. Obviously, a vast vast vast majority of these potential protons will be off, but the point is we have a combination of protons that makes us earth. Now, given the amount of matter we have in the amount of space we have (I don't know the exact numbers or anything), scientists have calculated that this exact combination of protons will occur several times throughout the universe purely by chance. That is if you considered every possible permutation of ons/offs, we have enough space/matter that these incredibly complex combinations get repeated. Of course, several of these combinations will produce life, and therefore, there is a very high probability of life existing elsewhere in the universe.

There is much else to be discussed regarding this topic but I am tired.

Wrong. There is no nothingness, all there is is the universe. (that is detectable at least for the M-theory crowd) It is infinite, but bounded.
Well really, it doesn't matter either way, because if someone were to go into this nothingness that nothingness would automatically become part of the Universe. The nothingness is there, but it doesn't exist. (Makes sense, don't it? :D )

Hey, has anyone ver seen "signs"?

Man, what is the universe if it is in a dimension?
You're getting close. According to some theories we (as in the Universe) is a 4-dimensional object wrapped up within a 5-dimensional membrane.
This goes someway to explaining (well, this and gravity) why there is no edge to the Universe. Where ever you are in this Universe, you'll always be 14 billion light years (give or take a few million ly) from the edge. The straight lines in the Universe curve back around themselves.
This means that possibly one of the galaxies in the sky might well be the milky way, but at a stage billions of years earlier than where we are right now.
So you will never be able to reach the edge and pop your head out to take a look at what's surrounding the Universe. Which is a shame really.
Another interesting idea is that the Universe folds over itself much like folding a piece of paper. But the difference is that we're talking about billions upon billions of lightyears and the difference between the two is a Planck unit. Which means there could literally be a completely seperate universe(s) co-existing right next to us, but we can't see it because Light travels in a straight line (i.e. follows the line on the 'paper').
Quantum astrophysics comes up with such crazy ideas that it's better to sit and try to work out what the hell they're talking about than taking drugs.

No Emo it doesn't...The Universe is boundless, period...We just proved it!!

Hamsters? Are you a scientist or something? Or are you just pulling this off the interent?

Emptiness. Total vacuum, the complete absence of matter.
Well, not necessarily nothing, but rather some sort of grand, unchanging continuum that allows the laws of the Universe to operate that we might as well call nothing because it is what is there in the absence of matter.

No Emo it doesn't...The Universe is boundless, period...We just proved it!!
Proved it where?

Wrong. There is no nothingness, all there is is the universe. (that is detectable at least for the M-theory crowd) It is infinite, but bounded.

M-Theory, String-Theory, Herotonic String-Theory, Superstring-theory can all kiss my ass because I have no idea what they say. ;)

I go to church, but only to avoid conflict with my family, in the same way you must participate in the tribal dance on certain Pacific islands or you will be cannibalized. You don't have to believe in their deities, you simply don't want to be eaten.
So if you don't go to Church, you'll be eaten? Man, that's rough. Your family sounds pretty strict.

M-Theory, String-Theory, Herotonic String-Theory, Superstring-theory can all kiss my ass because I have no idea what they say. ;)
They're all just attempts to reduce the universe to a system of uniform particles.

So if you don't go to Church, you'll be eaten? Man, that's rough. Your family sounds pretty strict.
I used to have 2 siblings.

used to???? We just proved it throughout this thread.

used to???? We just proved it throughout this thread.
You're going on my list of people-who-make-no-sense-and-aren't-funny-while-trying-to.

Hamsters? Are you a scientist or something? Or are you just pulling this off the interent?
No to both (though I do have a Science degree, but that was in Psych, with minors in Maths and Philosophy).
It's just I'm fascinated by Astronomy and Astrophysics, so read lots - mainly Scientific American but also any other book I can find.
That said this is a great site:
http://www.closertotruth.com/topics/universemeaning/
What a great concept - to come up with a topic such as "Why is Quantum Physics So Beautiful?" and then get some of the most brilliant minds in the field, including a Nobel prize winner and the professor of physics from Stanford to talk about it.
Wish they'd shown this here. Reading the transcripts is fascinating. These guys are so enthusiastic and so far into their field it's admirable.

Seeing as we're throwing around fun things in astrophysics lets do this one.

Say some object is moving around at x distance from us. Then it moves many times the speed of light to a distance 25 degrees away from where it was and at the proper distance (distange z) so that the image of where it was at distance x and the image of where it is at distance z will hit us the observer at the same time. You the observer would see the same object at two different points in time at the same time. Trippy? I tend to think so.

The better one comes when you imagine an extremely powerful telescope and audio sensor and then fly at many hundred times the speed of light away from Earth and park your ship so as to stare back at Earth, allowing you to see into the past. More fun is that you could then move at the speed of light away form earth and observe that moment in time as if it was frozen.

Of course both those scenarios imagine impossible technologies, but they're still cool.

And those are really very basic things to try and deal with in certain parts of physics. Which explains why I want to be an accountant instead.

I used to have 2 siblings.
Certainly puts a whole new perspective on having the family over for Sunday roast dinner.

There is no way to tell if the universe has an end or not. Are we even so sure that this thing we call a "universe" is the only one of its kind? There is no way for us to know for sure, at least not in this life time. It is hard to fathom that the universe is endless, yet at the same time it's hard to explain how it could NOT have an end.

As for aliens, they exist. You know those weird people who try to enter the US or any other country? Those are aliens.

I guess there are real aliens. With so many stars out there that have to have their own planets, I have to believe that at least ONE of those planets has life on them. The question is, are there really new creatures, or are they actually humans just like us, only either more primitive or more scientifically advanced?

Seeing as we're throwing around fun things in astrophysics lets do this one.

Say some object is moving around at x distance from us. Then it moves many times the speed of light to a distance 25 degrees away from where it was and at the proper distance (distange z) so that the image of where it was at distance x and the image of where it is at distance z will hit us the observer at the same time. You the observer would see the same object at two different points in time at the same time. Trippy? I tend to think so.

The better one comes when you imagine an extremely powerful telescope and audio sensor and then fly at many hundred times the speed of light away from Earth and park your ship so as to stare back at Earth, allowing you to see into the past. More fun is that you could then move at the speed of light away form earth and observe that moment in time as if it was frozen.

Of course both those scenarios imagine impossible technologies, but they're still cool.

And those are really very basic things to try and deal with in certain parts of physics. Which explains why I want to be an accountant instead.
Did you know we have proof that people will never travel back in time? Because if they did, we would have visitors from the future!

There is no way to tell if the universe has an end or not. Are we even so sure that this thing we call a "universe" is the only one of its kind? There is no way for us to know for sure, at least not in this life time. It is hard to fathom that the universe is endless, yet at the same time it's hard to explain how it could NOT have an end.

As for aliens, they exist. You know those weird people who try to enter the US or any other country? Those are aliens.

I guess there are real aliens. With so many stars out there that have to have their own planets, I have to believe that at least ONE of those planets has life on them. The question is, are there really new creatures, or are they actually humans just like us, only either more primitive or more scientifically advanced?

Why is that the question? Of course they are new creatures. Different planet = different course of evolution = different creatures.

Certainly puts a whole new perspective on having the family over for Sunday roast dinner.
We never let our own flesh leave the family.

Did you know we have proof that people will never travel back in time? Because if they did, we would have visitors from the future!

Well what I just said wasn't time travel, just observation of the past :p

But actually thats not proof. For how do you know that we don't have time tourists walking around right now? Better yet some of the time travel ideas dictate that you can only go back so far as the time machine itself has existed.

They're all just attempts to reduce the universe to a system of uniform particles.

M-Theory for one, has nothing to do with particles. Hamsters described M theory when he started on about the 5 dimensional manifold (M for manifold).

Thew others, String theory and its derivatives are about simplifying the bewildering array of subatomic particles that high energy physics has been breeding (rather rabbit like). To work they only need between 9 and 15 dimensions, so M theory seems pretty conservative in this respect.

I find this most ironic. You don't believe in God yet you are going to one of his houses to acknowledge him.
Am I the only one to see the irony here?
Not sure if that really qualifies as irony dude- its definately hypocrisy and deceit though.

I guess there are real aliens. With so many stars out there that have to have their own planets, I have to believe that at least ONE of those planets has life on them. The question is, are there really new creatures, or are they actually humans just like us, only either more primitive or more scientifically advanced?

OK. On the existence of aliens try the Drake equation (http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html) . This will not tell you if they look or appear like us, but it will give you a good idea if they exist or not and whether they are more advanced than us or not.

M-Theory for one, has nothing to do with particles. Hamsters described M theory when he started on about the 5 dimensional manifold (M for manifold).

Thew others, String theory and its derivatives are about simplifying the bewildering array of subatomic particles that high energy physics has been breeding (rather rabbit like). To work they only need between 9 and 15 dimensions, so M theory seems pretty conservative in this respect.
Ok fine, minus the M theory.

1. I've been interested for a while in Quantum mechanics and The General Theory of Relativity (more so the unification of) and I'd like to learn more on these topics, could you forward me a list of some reading material, I was going to borrow the elegant universe from a friend when he's done since it talks about String Theory but I'd really like to learn anything I can on these topics.

2. The second is in one of your posts you said:

Quantum astrophysics comes up with such crazy ideas that it's better to sit and try to work out what the hell they're talking about than taking drugs.

And I was wondering if it would be all right with you if I used it as my (well your) quote when I post. I hope that made some sense and you got some idea what I meant by that.

-Night_hider

<--- Legally registered alien (and I have the card issued by the government to prove it!)

Aliens work hard for less moneys.


Some do. Some don't. I sure don't come cheap! http://www.savingadvice.com/forums/images/smilies/cool/cool-smiley-014.gif

1. Yes, there is extraterrestial life out there somewhere...
2. possible punch lines:
A, The sick joke is that we just might be the most technologicly advanced beings.
B, Their more technologicaly advanced and they know we exist, but they just don't care. Or they might have died off all ready.
C, That both them and us might be in some kind of weird "Heisenberg's cat" stand off. (ie. some of us think their there; some of us think their not, and thus their stuck in a limbo. And vise versa.)
3. And this is very true. Once life gets a hold it never lets go.


Im to tired to get into the universe, and quatum mechanics right now

C, That both them and us might be in some kind of weird "Heisenberg's cat" stand off.
I thought it was Schroedinger's Cat?

I think there is other life in the universe except that there are no other humanoid races.

Why is this thread about aliens, when we aren't even talking about them?

But it does ! The topic starter spoke of God. Since God supposedly created the earth he is per definition an extra-terrestial ;)

Entirely true, but the Universe is ever expanding, correct? It has to be...What would then be around the universe if it was non-everexpanding?

One pretty popular 'popular astrophysics' theory says it is time. To explain this.. let's simplify the universe first by making it only two-dimensional instead of three. Now imagine the entire universe makes up the surface of a balloon. A surface is still 2d - so that is allowed.
Now imagine we inflate the balloon at a constant rate. Obviously the surface would increase -> the universe expands (or stretches). But *what* -you are now asking- is it expanding into ? Well... if you were to look 'down' or towards the center of the balloon when standing on the surface.. what are you looking at ? At where the surface once was. And when you are looking 'up' ? At where the surface will someday be. So.. your 2d universe is expanding in time. Now make it a 3d universe on a 4d sphere and voila ;)

Of course this is mostly concepts juggling with little physics value. But it is a nice idea ;)

I go to church, but only to avoid conflict with my family, in the same way you must participate in the tribal dance on certain Pacific islands or you will be cannibalized. You don't have to believe in their deities, you simply don't want to be eaten.
Dude, you won't find cannibalism anywhere in the world anymore, except for one or two people out of 6 billion, due to those one or two having biochemical misfirings of the neurons in their brains.
How old are you?

Dude, you won't find cannibalism anywhere in the world anymore, except for one or two people out of 6 billion, due to those one or two having biochemical misfirings of the neurons in their brains.
How old are you?

Is this to find out if he is old enought to be eaten?

I thought it was Schroedinger's Cat?

It was, but Unidox was suffering from uncertainty.

I've seen UFO's that defy any known technology or anythign I could even imagine our military secretly having.

Dude, you won't find cannibalism anywhere in the world anymore, except for one or two people out of 6 billion, due to those one or two having biochemical misfirings of the neurons in their brains.

Not true, cannibalism is practiced by animals and some primitive humans. There are remote islands and unkown jungle tribes where you would have no idea if they were cannibals or not. As soon as you get back from the Amazon and every island in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans you may speak again.

The entie purpose of this thread was to watch you argue amongst yourselves so I can see all of your opinions, it has worked, you may all return to your normal lives.

Dude, you won't find cannibalism anywhere in the world anymore, except for one or two people out of 6 billion, due to those one or two having biochemical misfirings of the neurons in their brains.
How old are you?
Obviously there are very few cannibals in the world (though a great deal more than one or two), and certainly no/practically no cultures that promote cannibalism. I was simply exploiting a harmless stereotype about Pacific Islanders to get my point across. Stop taking everything so seriously. :D

I can see all of your opinions, it has worked, you may all return to your normal lives.

What makes you think that are lives are normal? :p

you may all return to your normal lives.
Yes, Emporer [sic].

I've seen UFO's that defy any known technology or anythign I could even imagine our military secretly having.
But have they seen YOU?

But have they seen YOU?


I dont know. one approached me slowly and stopped directly above me once then shot into a vortex which formed in space and dissapeared behind them

I dont know. one approached me slowly and stopped directly above me once then shot into a vortex which formed in space and dissapeared behind them
Now why would an alien do THAT?

Now why would an alien do THAT?

how would I be in a position to guess somethign like that? I never said it was an alien.