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Do you think that god exist? I'm a believer.

No.

The Gods will return on their rogue planet Marduk someday.

I'm not sure, which is why i'm an agnostic

This is a serious poll, Red Sox. :)

I'm a believer. A mother Goddess and the great Hunter, God. Two aspects of the same, the one universal force.

I believe in Deism, so yes I believe in God.

Who said I wasn't? You obviously havn't read "The 12th Planet" by Zechariah Sichin. I highly recommend it to anyone with an open mind and capable of independant thought.
Another good one is "The Gods of Eden". Not sure of the author.

No, just like how I didn't ever believe in Santa Claus, because that was just another excuse to try to force me to behave like a good, frightened, greedy child when I was four years old.

God does NOT exist (but I do... so there's a A god after all...)
he he he...

The non-believers outnumber the believers!!! Where is a vomit smilie when you need one?

The Judeo-Christian God is logically impossible, so, no, I don't beleive in logical impossibilities.

However, I'm willing to entertain the possibility, however unlikely, that some entities of large personal force (what we'd describe as the supernatural until we figured out how it works) may exist somewhere in existance, much like aliens MAY exist. However, as I've never seen any evidence for them, so believing in them is fruitless.

I also don't believe I'll ever have a foursome with the ladies in my life, but I'm willing to entertain the possibility... mrowwwr.. :fluffle:

I believe there is a God, but the current religions on earth, don't seem to fit the way I think God rules and the way to worship him.

The Judeo-Christian God is logically impossible, so, no, I don't beleive in logical impossibilities.

Ah, but apperently "He" is above all laws, including those of logic. Or something like that. It's impossible to argue.

I just don't know.

The Judeo-Christian God is logically impossible, so, no, I don't beleive in logical impossibilities.

However, I'm willing to entertain the possibility, however unlikely, that some entities of large personal force (what we'd describe as the supernatural until we figured out how it works) may exist somewhere in existance, much like aliens MAY exist. However, as I've never seen any evidence for them, so believing in them is fruitless.

I also don't believe I'll ever have a foursome with the ladies in my life, but I'm willing to entertain the possibility... mrowwwr.. :fluffle:

There is no proof God doesn't exist just as there is no proof he does exist. Those who state otherwise are liars. These threads will never end and no one would be converted either way so these are useless.

Obviously not Jibea...
These threads will go on forever

I believe there is a God, but the current religions on earth, don't seem to fit the way I think God rules and the way to worship him.

okay im Baptist so wats the proper way to worship :confused:

Jesus Walks

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Do you think that god exist? I'm a believer.
If you're a believer, why don't you capitalize the "He"? HEATHEN! :)

:D Jesus Walks

yea he does hes the coolest

There is no proof God doesn't exist just as there is no proof he does exist. Those who state otherwise are liars. These threads will never end and no one would be converted either way so these are useless.

Yes, thankyou for your agnosticism, but these threads do help. They allow people to better understand their beliefs, so we don't have people who are ignorant of their own religion, like catholics who believe it is thier own belief that will get them into heaven, not by going to church. No offense to Catholics in general, ofcourse.

For the hustlers, killers, murderers, drug dealers, even the strippers,
Jesus Walks for them!
For the victims of welfare who say "we livin' in hell here," hell yeah,
Jesus Walks for them!
Now here me, here me gon' see me more clearly,
I know he hear me when my feet get weary,
'cuz we're the,
almost nearly extinct,
we rappers is role models we rap we don't think,
I ain't here to argue 'bout his facial features,
or here to convert atheists into believers,
I'm just tryin' to say the way school need teachers,
the way Kathie Lee needed Regis,
That's the way I need Jesus,

(I seem to be drawing a blank on the next few lines, so I'll skip them)

Now this'll probly take away from my ends,
which'll probly take away from my spends,
I just hope it takes away from my sins,
and brings the day that I dream about,
next time I'm in the club, everybody screamin' out:

Jesus Walks
God show me the way,
because the devil's tryin' to break me down,
Jesus Walks
The only thing that I pray is that my feet don't fail me now.

That was NOT very convincing...
Jesus Walks, obviously...Doesn't everyone?

That was NOT very convincing...
Jesus Walks, obviously...Doesn't everyone?

By admitting that Jesus Walks, in the present tense, after he has been dead in a physical sense for thousands of years, you admit that he continues to exist on another plane of existence.

Do I? I was using what another nation was using.

There is no proof God doesn't exist just as there is no proof he does exist. Those who state otherwise are liars. These threads will never end and no one would be converted either way so these are useless.

Logically impossible is logically impossible.

If the deity responsible for the bible is just BSing everyone, well, that's perfectly possible. But the omni version doesn't -work-.

yes. "Walks" as opposed to "Walked" is equal to "is" and not "was"

Do you think that god exists?The answer is not important. But the question is.

I don't believe in God partially because I have ways to disprove the standard Christian model but mostly because I just don't see where he's needed. You only should come up with a new theory about the universe if it explains something incongruous about the current system, and frankly I don't see what God solves or what it lets me do. I think the idea of a God is kind of cool, especially the semi-fallible versions I run into in literature, but while I would love to read about such worlds I would hate to live in one.

but mostly because I just don't see where he's needed.

Where He's needed? Where He's needed is you not burning in hell, that's where He's needed.

For God's sake, and ya'll are gonna' call me a religious republican, but God isn't about needing him in society. God is a cool dude, but he's not like a person, who you can hire and then fire as soon as you don't need him. In short, God pwns you. What you've really done is taken out a loan on your life. You spend the rest of your life paying off that loan. If you pay it all off, by being a good dude, you get to hang out and be happy with no debts. If you fail to pay it off, by being a bad dude, you go to debtor's prison. Now that's an analogy if I've ever made one up. Have any of you ever played the Sims? Say you've got a family of Sims, 'cuz you made them. Do you want them doing bad stuff, like urinating on the carpet? Nah, you don't, unless you're just screwing around. But hey, it's their life right, they can pee on the carpet if they want, right? But that makes you angry, and so you catch their house on fire. Catch my drift? God is not a lesson, God is not an idea. God is a dude who made you, if you look at cause and effect, and if you ignore him, he'll ignore you, and let Satan deal with you.

Anyone else like that? I think I through down some smack. Comments? Questions?

Where He's needed? Where He's needed is you not burning in hell, that's where He's needed.

For God's sake, and ya'll are gonna' call me a religious republican, but God isn't about needing him in society. God is a cool dude, but he's not like a person, who you can hire and then fire as soon as you don't need him. In short, God pwns you. What you've really done is taken out a loan on your life. You spend the rest of your life paying off that loan. If you pay it all off, by being a good dude, you get to hang out and be happy with no debts. If you fail to pay it off, by being a bad dude, you go to debtor's prison. Now that's an analogy if I've ever made one up. Have any of you ever played the Sims? Say you've got a family of Sims, 'cuz you made them. Do you want them doing bad stuff, like urinating on the carpet? Nah, you don't, unless you're just screwing around. But hey, it's their life right, they can pee on the carpet if they want, right? But that makes you angry, and so you catch their house on fire. Catch my drift? God is not a lesson, God is not an idea. God is a dude who made you, if you look at cause and effect, and if you ignore him, he'll ignore you, and let Satan deal with you.

Anyone else like that? I think I through down some smack. Comments? Questions?

All these are reasons to believe in God...if he exists.
What I'm saying is that there are no unexplained acts of justice that would be explained by such a being. People who pee on the carpet don't get burned, they get elected president. The best answer to why the guilty aren't punished that I know of in the bible is in the book of Job, and it seems to be that either God doesn't care, which would have the exact same results as not existing, or that you shouldn't ask questions because you get cool trips from believing.

I like your analogy, Maniaca. Good examples. :D I brought up that I believe in god on another site, and by the 2nd page, the infidel minority (which was majority on that site) was being very rude. They were trying to force me to convert. I'm just happy noone was that bad here.

I don't consider it possible to know one way or the other in this lifetime.

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Do you think that god exist? I'm a believer.

Yes. But the unbeliever won't be sure until he/she dies or is in a foxhole.

I like your analogy, Maniaca. Good examples. :D I brought up that I believe in god on another site, and by the 2nd page, the infidel minority (which was majority on that site) was being very rude. They were trying to force me to convert. I'm just happy noone was that bad here.

I'm an atheist, but I'll try to defend you guys from the rest of us. Just because you guys used force to convert doesn't mean we should.

I like your analogy, Maniaca. Good examples. :D I brought up that I believe in god on another site, and by the 2nd page, the infidel minority (which was majority on that site) was being very rude. They were trying to force me to convert. I'm just happy noone was that bad here.
Considering that your first response on this thread was:

The non-believers outnumber the believers!!! Where is a vomit smilie when you need one?

I don't think you present yourself as the most tolerant person in the world.

I like your analogy, Maniaca. Good examples. :D I brought up that I believe in god on another site, and by the 2nd page, the infidel minority (which was majority on that site) was being very rude. They were trying to force me to convert. I'm just happy noone was that bad here.

Thanks. I just noticed I spelled "threw" wrong on that post. Too lazy to go back and edit it though. Vegas-Rex, saying all christians used force to convert is like saying all muslims are terrorists. Let's keep away from the generalizations, shall we?

Does it even really matter? Can't you just be confident in your belief or your non-belief, and shut the hell up about it? I don't think there are many people out there who haven't made up their mind already.

I bet most of you couldn't even figure out if I believe or not. Know why? Because it's my business, and I don't see the point in blabbing my mouth off about it to other people.

Thanks. I just noticed I spelled "threw" wrong on that post. Too lazy to go back and edit it though. Vegas-Rex, saying all christians used force to convert is like saying all muslims are terrorists. Let's keep away from the generalizations, shall we?

I never said all. Some did, it worked, no-one on either side needs to try the same methods again. Atheists in recent times have been just as guilty, take Mao's "Cultural Revolution" as an example.

By admitting that Jesus Walks, in the present tense, after he has been dead in a physical sense for thousands of years, you admit that he continues to exist on another plane of existence.
How has Jesus been dead for thousands of years? I met him like 3 years ago when I was on the bus.

And Jesus doesn't walk, he uses public transit.

Does it even really matter? Can't you just be confident in your belief or your non-belief, and shut the hell up about it? I don't think there are many people out there who haven't made up their mind already.

I bet most of you couldn't even figure out if I believe or not. Know why? Because it's my business, and I don't see the point in blabbing my mouth off about it to other people.

If you don't want to discuss it you are under no obligation to post on this thread.

If you don't want to discuss it you are under no obligation to post on this thread.

I am discussing it. I'm discussing how I find it ridiculous that some people feel obliged to let everyone they come across know their religious beliefs, whether those people wanted to hear them or not.

How has Jesus been dead for thousands of years? I met him like 3 years ago when I was on the bus.

And Jesus doesn't walk, he uses public transit.

That is so cool....but man, Jesus can't not walk anywhere....unless he has one of those segway scooters! That is so awesome!

I never said all. Some did, it worked, no-one on either side needs to try the same methods again. Atheists in recent times have been just as guilty, take Mao's "Cultural Revolution" as an example.

Whatever. I'll let it go.

If you don't want to discuss it you are under no obligation to post on this thread.

You got him there. Good line.

I see he posted again, but I don't get it, and I don't really want to get in a fight, so I'll let that go too. I'm letting it all out tonight, it seems.

There is no proof God doesn't exist just as there is no proof he does exist. Those who state otherwise are liars. These threads will never end and no one would be converted either way so these are useless.

I agree..........and yes, I do believe in God.

I am discussing it. I'm discussing how I find it ridiculous that some people feel obliged to let everyone they come across know their religious beliefs, whether those people wanted to hear them or not.

You have the right to critique the entire purpose of this post, but somehow I think that's a bit hypocritical. Anyway, you're insulting everyone posting here, just letting you know. I'm not the sort to go running to the mods, but someone else might find they'd be interested in your point of view.

Aside to Maniaca: I know, we should just leave this guy alone, but I really couldn't resist just one jab. I'll try to refrain in future.

Where He's needed? Where He's needed is you not burning in hell, that's where He's needed.

For God's sake, and ya'll are gonna' call me a religious republican, but God isn't about needing him in society. God is a cool dude, but he's not like a person, who you can hire and then fire as soon as you don't need him. In short, God pwns you. What you've really done is taken out a loan on your life. You spend the rest of your life paying off that loan. If you pay it all off, by being a good dude, you get to hang out and be happy with no debts. If you fail to pay it off, by being a bad dude, you go to debtor's prison. Now that's an analogy if I've ever made one up. Have any of you ever played the Sims? Say you've got a family of Sims, 'cuz you made them. Do you want them doing bad stuff, like urinating on the carpet? Nah, you don't, unless you're just screwing around. But hey, it's their life right, they can pee on the carpet if they want, right? But that makes you angry, and so you catch their house on fire. Catch my drift? God is not a lesson, God is not an idea. God is a dude who made you, if you look at cause and effect, and if you ignore him, he'll ignore you, and let Satan deal with you.

Anyone else like that? I think I through down some smack. Comments? Questions?

*Claps*

Very, very well done.

On the logical impossibility of a God existing, it's my believe that it's logically impossible for a deity NOT to exist. The chances that we came about by random chance are about 1 in quite a few billion. Evolution may have occured, the big bang may have occured in some way, shape or form, but something MUST have been behind it, driving it. Something must have set the universe in motion. Something must have created the laws of physics. So, yes, there's something else out there, que no es de este mundo ;)

*Claps*

Very, very well done.

On the logical impossibility of a God existing, it's my believe that it's logically impossible for a deity NOT to exist. The chances that we came about by random chance are about 1 in quite a few billion. Evolution may have occured, the big bang may have occured in some way, shape or form, but something MUST have been behind it, driving it. Something must have set the universe in motion. Something must have created the laws of physics. So, yes, there's something else out there, que no es de este mundo ;)

You got taken in by the pagans, specifically Aristotle. He claimed there was a need for some sort of ultimate cause, but if you think about it there's really no reason that everything couldn't just be caused by something else. There doesn't have to be a beginning. As for the whole watchmaker approach, what you're forgetting is the simple fact that in the billions of chances where we don't get formed we're not there to ask the question. It's bascially evolution, only applied to universes. There easily could be many places and times where the conditions weren't right, and we live in the one where they were because that's the only place we can live. I know this doesn't prove there isn't a watchmaker, but it does show that there doesn't need to be one for it to make sense.

You got taken in by the pagans, specifically Aristotle. He claimed there was a need for some sort of ultimate cuase, but if you think about it there's really no reason that everything couldn't just be caused by something else. There doesn't have to be a beginning. As for the whole watchmaker approach, what you're forgetting is the simple fact that in the billions of chances where we don't get formed we're not there to ask the question. It's bascially evolution, only applied to universes. There easily could be many places and times where the conditions weren't right, and we live in the one where they were because that's the only place we can live. I know this doesn't prove there isn't a watchmaker, but it does show that there doesn't need to be one for it to make sense.

Actually, that proves the totally opposite. What are the chances that the only planet that can contain life is the one we are on?

And I wasn't taken by anyone. I'm not a pagan. I'm a Christian.

The universe is not infinite, there are aliens out there, there is no god.

The End

Actually, that proves the totally opposite. What are the chances that the only planet that can contain life is the one we are on?

And I wasn't taken by anyone. I'm not a pagan. I'm a Christian.

You're right on your first one, there probably are aliens out there.

As for the second, what I'm saying is that whether or not you are a pagan Aristotle was, and it's his ideas about ultimate causes that spawned the assumption in the West that there must logically be an ultimate beginning. The belief in an ultimate end is from the Zoroastrians.

Hey, you know what I noticed? We have a good thread going here, with not much flaming. That's cool....wonder how long it'll last?......

Vegas, I never thought of it as a watchmaker. That's pretty cool....I probably should have though, since it's probably all over the internets...man, what am I talking about? I have to get some sleep....

Anyway, I don't really believe that Earth is the only habited planet, because if the universe is so freaking huge like we know it probably is, there must have been another planet like ours, either because God ran out of space on this one(or vice versa)or because another planet was formed similar to ours. Think how crazy that would be, the two cultures from two different planets. Entirely different languages, Entirely different technology sets. They may have faster than light travel, but not an ink pen. It boggles the mind. Speaking of mind boggling, my mind is thoroughly boggled. I must rest now, and I will talk to everyone again later.

Peace up, A-Town down. Wait, I'm from New York....It all goes back to that sleep deal....

You're right on your first one, there probably are aliens out there.

As for the second, what I'm saying is that whether or not you are a pagan Aristotle was, and it's his ideas about ultimate causes that spawned the assumption in the West that there must logically be an ultimate beginning. The belief in an ultimate end is from the Zoroastrians.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, although there probably are Aliens. The point I was trying to make was that if there are so many stars, solar systems, etc., why are we the only (known) planet that can support life? An obvious conclusion is by some outside influence.

Hey, you know what I noticed? We have a good thread going here, with not much flaming. That's cool....wonder how long it'll last?......

Vegas, I never thought of it as a watchmaker. That's pretty cool....I probably should have though, since it's probably all over the internets...man, what am I talking about? I have to get some sleep....

Anyway, I don't really believe that Earth is the only habited planet, because if the universe is so freaking huge like we know it probably is, there must have been another planet like ours, either because God ran out of space on this one(or vice versa)or because another planet was formed similar to ours. Think how crazy that would be, the two cultures from two different planets. Entirely different languages, Entirely different technology sets. They may have faster than light travel, but not an ink pen. It boggles the mind. Speaking of mind boggling, my mind is thoroughly boggled. I must rest now, and I will talk to everyone again later.

Peace up, A-Town down. Wait, I'm from New York....It all goes back to that sleep deal....


I must admit, the idea of God making aliens is kind of cool. I should write a short story about it or something.

I must admit, the idea of God making aliens is kind of cool. I should write a short story about it or something.

Yeah. I doubt that we're the only intelligent beings God created.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, although there probably are Aliens. The point I was trying to make was that if there are so many stars, solar systems, etc., why are we the only (known) planet that can support life? An obvious conclusion is by some outside influence.

Or just we haven't met them yet. There isn't room in our solar system for much in the way of other life, but farther away where they can't easily get to us it makes more sense. It's hard to break the laws of physics, after all.

By the way: sorry about hijacking this thread to talk about aliens. Let's get back to topic.

1) Yes, there are -probably- aliens, but it's not a guaranteed thing. It may well be that Earth was the ONE place, in the entire universe, that managed to produce life. Or that there's at least one life-ridden planet in every galaxy. No way to tell yet.

2) The threat of hell is one of the disproofs of Christianity's version of an all-loving deity. Using it as an argument doesn't help you. Your version of deity is an -ass-. A royal stinking ass. There's no threat that can be worse than being lorded over by a royal stinking ass that's somehow the most loving and just being in existance despite breaking the majority of its major tenants.

3) Understand that there is no logical proof for "The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning". In fact, evidence is showing otherwise.

[QUOTE=Haloman]Actually, that proves the totally opposite. What are the chances that the only planet that can contain life is the one we are on?[quote]

Pretty unlikely considering how big the detected universe is. The chance that this is the only planet supporting life is likely nil. Just for a consideration, find out how many lifeforms exist on this planet in environments that are completely hostile to others (hint - archaeobacteria and ocean bottom thermal vents are just two.)

Now, if we realize we most likely aren't alone, what are the chances of any one humanocentric ancient mythology being correct?

I have no evidence for gods, without any evidence, I cannot assent to the claims of the theists. It would be a gross violation of my personal integrity.

Whether you believe in God or not, it's not out of the realm of the possible that some supernatural entity does exist. For instance, looking at the heterotroph hypothesis, there is a gap in scientific evidence or even proper theory between the appearance of abiotic amino acids and proteins (the building blocks of life on earth) and the emergence of actual living organisms.
I believe in God. My faith has helped me though a lot of tough times, but as a Christian, I don't see fit to throw my beliefs in other people's face. Conversely, saying things like "There is no God. Period." Isn't much better. Some respect, please.

Where He's needed? Where He's needed is you not burning in hell, that's where He's needed.

For God's sake, and ya'll are gonna' call me a religious republican, but God isn't about needing him in society. God is a cool dude, but he's not like a person, who you can hire and then fire as soon as you don't need him. In short, God pwns you. What you've really done is taken out a loan on your life. You spend the rest of your life paying off that loan. If you pay it all off, by being a good dude, you get to hang out and be happy with no debts. If you fail to pay it off, by being a bad dude, you go to debtor's prison. Now that's an analogy if I've ever made one up. Have any of you ever played the Sims? Say you've got a family of Sims, 'cuz you made them. Do you want them doing bad stuff, like urinating on the carpet? Nah, you don't, unless you're just screwing around. But hey, it's their life right, they can pee on the carpet if they want, right? But that makes you angry, and so you catch their house on fire. Catch my drift? God is not a lesson, God is not an idea. God is a dude who made you, if you look at cause and effect, and if you ignore him, he'll ignore you, and let Satan deal with you.

Anyone else like that? I think I through down some smack. Comments? Questions?

That analogy relies on God behaving the same way as a human, which He obviously doesn't. God should not get angry, because anger is a human emotion. There is no reason for God, if He exists, to send anyone to Hell.

I do think God exists but I do have some faith in the old religion of multiple Gods.

I suppose it's theoretically possible Goddess created earth and humanity...although the question of origin has never much bothered me. I don't particularly care how things started billions of years ago. Life on earth is too short, I'd rather investigate that.

To start off with, I am a raging Atheist. I don't believe that there is a faint possibility that there is anything even remotely similar to the Judeo-Christian, Islamic, whatever vision of a deity.

Now this on it's own makes the Universe suddenly a very scary place, since you realise that no-one has your back, and you have to look after yourself (in a sense of the word).

Life has developed on Earth. That is about the only sure thing that I can say at the moment, but what I do know is that if life hadn't developed on Earth (however likely or unlikely life development is, when a suitable environment is found) then we wouldn't be here to discuss how lucky we are that life developed.
It's the same as if your parents hadn't gone to bed that night, or if a different sperm had fertilised the egg. You wouldn't be around to discuss how lucky you were that you were alive, or unlucky you were that you hadn't existed.

I believe that the Universe is far too complex for there to be some great being behind it. The vast spaces of black are too random, but they have a chaotic complexity about them, both exciting but also terrifying as you know that you are just one person, and the vast spaces of black could annihilate you before you could realise it.

2) The threat of hell is one of the disproofs of Christianity's version of an all-loving deity. Using it as an argument doesn't help you. Your version of deity is an -ass-. A royal stinking ass. There's no threat that can be worse than being lorded over by a royal stinking ass that's somehow the most loving and just being in existance despite breaking the majority of its major tenants.


My parents lord over me. They love me, but sometimes I screw up. What happens then, is I don't get to go to a baseball game, or something. The only alternative to going to the baseball game is staying home, and usually getting thrown in my room. There you have it.

Remember there are two forces at work here, God and Satan. God doesn't necessarily send people to hell, he just refuses them into heaven, simply because they aren't worthy, because they've been a bad person. You can't get into heaven, eventually Satan catches up to you and you and him take a walk. Why would God not let you into heaven? Because during your life, you've been influenced by Satan to do evil things. If you've been influenced by Satan, why would God want one of Satan's minions in his domain? God loves just about everyone but Satan. So why would God send someone to Satan? Because he has to. The reason for evil is Satan. God fights a fight against Satan because without Satan, there is no evil. God fights the fight on Earth, by trying to influence as many people as he can, and Satan does the same. Whenever Satan wins a fight, he gets stronger, and the world gets eviler. Whenever God wins a fight, he gets stronger(against Satan), and the world gets less evil. So, everything taken into consideration, why wouldn't God let everyone into heaven, so he can become strong? It's because you can't have evil in heaven. It would collapse. Then you'd have no heaven, only hell, and then we'd not be in good shape.

Man, I hope that makes sense. I probably contradicted myself a bunch of times too....I probably should work on the whole confidence deal.

Remember there are two forces at work here, God and Satan. God doesn't necessarily send people to hell, he just refuses them into heaven, simply because they aren't worthy, because they've been a bad person. You can't get into heaven, eventually Satan catches up to you and you and him take a walk. Why would God not let you into heaven? Because during your life, you've been influenced by Satan to do evil things. If you've been influenced by Satan, why would God want one of Satan's minions in his domain? God loves just about everyone but Satan. So why would God send someone to Satan? Because he has to. The reason for evil is Satan. God fights a fight against Satan because without Satan, there is no evil. God fights the fight on Earth, by trying to influence as many people as he can, and Satan does the same. Whenever Satan wins a fight, he gets stronger, and the world gets eviler. Whenever God wins a fight, he gets stronger(against Satan), and the world gets less evil. So, everything taken into consideration, why wouldn't God let everyone into heaven, so he can become strong? It's because you can't have evil in heaven. It would collapse. Then you'd have no heaven, only hell, and then we'd not be in good shape.
Excuse me, but isn't God supposed to be omnipotent? Why doesn't he just crush Satan, why does he have to "fight" him?

I don't think you present yourself as the most tolerant person in the world.

Uh, you have heard of jokes, right? :rolleyes:

I do think God exists but I do have some faith in the old religion of multiple Gods.

Multiple Gods may be a posibility. Also, To the Alien guys, I believe that there is a huge possibility that either God created Aliens, or that Aliens evolved or whatever. Either way, I doubt they have all that cool light speed technology, for the same reason we don't: Not enough Technology. The aliens probably speak 1,000's of languages per planet, and split into 100's of nations and nationalities like our planet. Aliens might also be fighting constant wars. Some may have achieved global prosperity, and united all their planets, but mostly, I thing there are a lot of Alian "Romans" or "Persian" tipe countries there too.

Multiple Gods may be a posibility. Also, To the Alien guys, I believe that there is a huge possibility that either God created Aliens, or that Aliens evolved or whatever. Either way, I doubt they have all that cool light speed technology, for the same reason we don't: Not enough Technology. The aliens probably speak 1,000's of languages per planet, and split into 100's of nations and nationalities like our planet. Aliens might also be fighting constant wars. Some may have achieved global prosperity, and united all their planets, but mostly, I thing there are a lot of Alian "Romans" or "Persian" tipe countries there too.


With how long it takes life to develop, millions and billions of years, it's unlikely that we'll ever find an alien race that is similar in technological development as we are. If they get a billion years head start on us, then, well, they'd be so far ahead that we couldn't imagine it. Even a million years ahead is a lot at this stage.
And if they're a million years behind, then we'll be the ones that find them, rather than they finding us.

For the thousanth time, yes!

For the thousanth time, yes!

Nuh uh. Wrong answer. :D

Excuse me, but isn't God supposed to be omnipotent? Why doesn't he just crush Satan, why does he have to "fight" him?

Satan is powerfull like that. Satan is feeding off our evil, and gets stronger, and stronger. Are you athiest? For that We believe Satan got to you, and you help him grow stronger. Congratulations! If Satan could influense as many people as god, than he grows stronger, and can actually match god. I think that's what he meant.

Nuh uh. Wrong answer. :D

Infidel! It is an answer, so it is not wrong. Don't flame my thread like that!

No, I don't believe in god, especially the concept of an all-powerful and all-good god. Case in point: the tsunami. An all-powerful god would have had the ability to prevent it, and an all-good god would have been compelled to do so. since it happened, there are three possibilities:
1. God is not all-powerful
2. God is not all-good
3. There is no god

The Judeo-Christian God is logically impossible, so, no, I don't beleive in logical impossibilities.

However, I'm willing to entertain the possibility, however unlikely, that some entities of large personal force (what we'd describe as the supernatural until we figured out how it works) may exist somewhere in existance, much like aliens MAY exist. However, as I've never seen any evidence for them, so believing in them is fruitless.

I also don't believe I'll ever have a foursome with the ladies in my life, but I'm willing to entertain the possibility... mrowwwr.. :fluffle:

How is he logically impossible?

To the question, no. I don't believe in God. People have this need to explain things they don't fully understand since the beginning of our days. To me it's simple as that. :P

The odds against the spontaneous creation of life without any guiding force are so infinitesimal that they seem to suggest the existence of some higher power. Belief in a creation “myth,” however stems only from an inability to understand the allegorical applications of any holy text. No one group has a monopoly on divine truth. No one religion, though many claim to be, is the one right religion. It is up to the individual to forge their own personal relationship with whatever conception of the divine they are able to fathom.

God, Does he exist?Whoa, I totally read that as if it were the equivalent of "Dude, is that guy for real?"

lol.

Of course god exists, his name is Fenrir, the mighty wolf god. He shall devour all the non beleivers and grant his faithful followers great power to which they shall rule a divided Earth. Mwahahaha.

Seriously, I have no idea. Agnostic rules.

3. There is no god

Prove it! :rolleyes:

The odds against the spontaneous creation of life without any guiding force are so infinitesimal that they seem to suggest the existence of some higher power.

Then who created god? You can't say that eveything needs a creator, so god must exist to create the universe, then say god doesn't need a creator. Am I the only one who sees something fishy about this argument?

Prove it! :rolleyes:

If you read the whole thing, I was saying that there are three possibilities: there is a god who is not all-powerful, there is a god who is not all-good, or there is no god. Personally, I believe the latter is more likely.

Satan is powerfull like that. Satan is feeding off our evil, and gets stronger, and stronger. Are you athiest? For that We believe Satan got to you, and you help him grow stronger. Congratulations! If Satan could influense as many people as god, than he grows stronger, and can actually match god. I think that's what he meant.

Good call. Good thing you answered, 'cause if I did, I'd probably screw it up somehow.


No, I don't believe in god, especially the concept of an all-powerful and all-good god. Case in point: the tsunami. An all-powerful god would have had the ability to prevent it, and an all-good god would have been compelled to do so. since it happened, there are three possibilities:
1. God is not all-powerful
2. God is not all-good
3. There is no god

God is all good, he's not necessarily all powerful. Remember there are two forces at work here, God and Satan. The tsunami was very likely the work of Satan, and you, by using it as a reason to forsake God, are in a spiritual sense making another one more likely(note that that is in no way a statement of blame on atheists for natural disasters). Perhaps there is a God, as can be proven by the rush of relief to the stricken countries. I came up with another analogy:

God and Satan both run businesses, one is good, the other ungood. We all buy stock in these businesses, by being good or ungood. The more stockholders either side has, the more money they make, the more powerful they become.

Also remember the God has a good time of testing our faith. He doesn't like secrets kept from him(I assume anyway, I'm not the dude's son), so he wants to know whether you really believe in him unconditionally, or are only a fair weather friend, a sunshine Christian, if you will.

God is all good, he's not necessarily all powerful. Remember there are two forces at work here, God and Satan. The tsunami was very likely the work of Satan, and you, by using it as a reason to forsake God, are in a spiritual sense making another one more likely(note that that is in no way a statement of blame on atheists for natural disasters). Perhaps there is a God, as can be proven by the rush of relief to the stricken countries. I came up with another analogy:

God and Satan both run businesses, one is good, the other ungood. We all buy stock in these businesses, by being good or ungood. The more stockholders either side has, the more money they make, the more powerful they become.


Or it could just boil down to "things happen". (I won't swear ;))
Really, do you need to simplify it that much?

Satan is powerfull like that. Satan is feeding off our evil, and gets stronger, and stronger. Are you athiest? For that We believe Satan got to you, and you help him grow stronger. Congratulations!
I am helping Satan getting stronger by my atheism?
REALLY!?
Oh my God, you can't imagine how bad this makes me feel!

Also remember the God has a good time of testing our faith. He doesn't like secrets kept from him(I assume anyway, I'm not the dude's son), so he wants to know whether you really believe in him unconditionally, or are only a fair weather friend, a sunshine Christian, if you will.

What kind of sick friend hurts you to see if you will stick with him/her? Sound like a friend who isn't all-good.

I voted "not sure" - note that I believe that it's impossible to be sure.

I don't know if God exists or not. There is no way of knowing either way so it is pointless to argue one way or another. I believe that weither God exists or not is unimportant. A person should do what he believes is right and what gives them their "spiritual fix". I personally don't proscribe to christianity (of which I was raised in) and follow my own concience, not the beliefs of others long dead that have become dogma and the breaking of which, called a sin. However, if other people find their spirituality in a Church, Synagogh, Mosque, or Temple, that is fine because it is their choice, and it is where they feel best at. In the end it comes down to the self. We must make our decision ourselves, otherwise we are just blindly following.

I don't know if God exists or not. There is no way of knowing either way so it is pointless to argue one way or another. I believe that weither God exists or not is unimportant. A person should do what he believes is right and what gives them their "spiritual fix". I personally don't proscribe to christianity (of which I was raised in) and follow my own concience, not the beliefs of others long dead that have become dogma and the breaking of which, called a sin. However, if other people find their spirituality in a Church, Synagogh, Mosque, or Temple, that is fine because it is their choice, and it is where they feel best at. In the end it comes down to the self. We must make our decision ourselves, otherwise we are just blindly following.

That's deep man....good call.