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Watching the news a few mins ago and I discovered that NASA has a report out that 2005 is supposed to be the hottest year on record and 2004 was #6 overall. It seems here in Pittsburgh that we are having unnaturaly warm weather followed the next day by freezing temperatures. In my 21 yrs. I cannot ever remeber weather like this. So I was just wondering on weather (he he) or not you guys believe in global warming, because I sure do.

We always have weird as hell weather here in alabama, but damn, 35 degree days followed by 65 degree days?

Global warming is definitely occuring. Just some people dispute whether it is due to our polluting of the earth, or natural processes. I think that it is probably due to us, but even if it isn't, it is in our interests to reverse, or at least stop it.

They say that now but what is the Farmers Almanac saying?

Wow, I thought that this year was gonna be so sexual that NASA itself had to be brought in to confirm....

Man I'm such a guy.

I beleive that global warming would be happening if we were here or not
Its just that we are speeding it up.
Remember, the earth has been much hotter than it is now in the past, we are coming out of a mini ice age.
Some species of animals will die but the wonderful thing about evolution and adaption is that (in the past anyway) species will change to suit the new enviroment, and new species will evolve to fill the spaces of the ones that died out.
survival of the fittest
Read this at present, if need better one then will find more (http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html)

Global warming, and cooling, has been occurring on roughly 100,000 year cycles for at least the past 400,000 years according to the Vostok Ice core data. It hasn't occurred smoothly, and indeed there have been wild swings along the general upward and downward trends. Ie 10, 9, 6, 8, 3, 5, 1, 4, 0 Is a downward trend but has some nice up and down sweeps in it. Earth's temperature has gone through similar trends with similar sweeps.

According to most ice cores we're near the very end of a general warming period if the same pattern continues. So really we should all be thinking about investing in jackets.

We've been having hot weather (not unusual at all for February) followed by some killer storms here. We had our wettest day on record a week or two ago. So yeah, the weather is very screwy.

And yet, we're preparing for Freezing Rain and Sleet! Supposed to hit my area late tomorrow night into Monday.

Dont worry people, if you are worried about Global Warming, read this (http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/The%20New%20Ice%20Age.htm)
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Dont worry people, if you are worried about Global Warming, read this (http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/The%20New%20Ice%20Age.htm)
:D

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I'm not worried about it at all! Its the envirogeeks that are!

Watching the news a few mins ago and I discovered that NASA has a report out that 2005 is supposed to be the hottest year on record and 2004 was #6 overall. It seems here in Pittsburgh that we are having unnaturaly warm weather followed the next day by freezing temperatures. In my 21 yrs. I cannot ever remeber weather like this. So I was just wondering on weather (he he) or not you guys believe in global warming, because I sure do.

Yes. It is called glacial/pluvial periods. Ever heard of the Ice Age? Remember when North Africa was a lush forest? Try an Ancient History course if the answer to the above is no.
It is a natural cycle of the earth and nothing to do with man. Hell, one volcano puts more contamination into the air in a day than man could in years.

Yes. It is called glacial/pluvial periods. Ever heard of the Ice Age? Remember when North Africa was a lush forest? Try an Ancient History course if the answer to the above is no.
It is a natural cycle of the earth and nothing to do with man. Hell, one volcano puts more contamination into the air in a day than man could in years.

I told them about the volvanoes and contamination before but all I got was grief and was asked for proof about the statement.

I told them about the volvanoes and contamination before but all I got was grief and was asked for proof about the statement.

Argueing with "envirogeeks" is like argueing with christians, Science doesnt mean jack

Well, its freezing here in Arizona.

Global warming is definitely occuring. Just some people dispute whether it is due to our polluting of the earth, or natural processes. I think that it is probably due to us, but even if it isn't, it is in our interests to reverse, or at least stop it.
Actually its both.

Argueing with "envirogeeks" is like argueing with christians, Science doesnt mean jack

I will give you the point about the envirogeeks :)

As for the rest, I should take offense to it since I AM a Christian

I used to put more credit into the global warming theory, but now I am not so sure. I've read Michael Crichton's latest book on the subject, and it has casted doubt in my mind on it. It may be happening, it may not be, but two things are clear: a.) their is no way humanity can stop any climate trend, and b.) humans know too little about the atmosphere to seriously ring alarm bells. I'm not objectively saying that warming is happening, but if it is, can we reasonably expect the Antartic glacier to melt, or tropical diseases in Oslo?

i say we push for space colonies....

I will give you the point about the envirogeeks :)

As for the rest, I should take offense to it since I AM a Christian

I admit it is a gross generalisation, but in my experience it tends to ring true the majority of the time.
but sorry if i offended you

I admit it is a gross generalisation, but in my experience it tends to ring true the majority of the time.
but sorry if i offended you

Meh, I'm used to it :)

Meh, I'm used to it :)
:fluffle:s of forgiveness?

:fluffle:s of forgiveness?

What the heck! :fluffle:

Yes. It is called glacial/pluvial periods. Ever heard of the Ice Age? Remember when North Africa was a lush forest? Try an Ancient History course if the answer to the above is no.
It is a natural cycle of the earth and nothing to do with man. Hell, one volcano puts more contamination into the air in a day than man could in years.

ancient history? nah, you want paleoclimatology. and the paleoclimatologists are also worried about anthropogenic warming.

also, the volcano thing - got a source for that beyond rush limbaugh? cause i've heard otherwise. from multiple scientific sources. http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/emissions_0207.pdf

I think its to late for us to stop global warming, were spining to close to the sun, and all of the guns going off around the world, when this planet burns up, there is probbally not going to be peace, lets just hope that we get people off earth and into another inhabbitale planet just so we can surrive

I wasn't saying that man was or was not the cause of Global Warming, I just wanted to know if you all believe the earth is heating up or not, and whether or not that the warm up is good/ bad for humanity. Also, if anyone has plausable ideas to stop global warming.

I hear it's nice and cool on Mars... :D

I wasn't saying that man was or was not the cause of Global Warming, I just wanted to know if you all believe the earth is heating up or not, and whether or not that the warm up is good/ bad for humanity. Also, if anyone has plausable ideas to stop global warming.
If it were happening in moderate amounts, it'd be good for us. It'd allow for the soil to be unfrozen in Canada and Siberia. They are rich in resources and fertile farmland that humans will flock to, and use. Besides, I'm sure the residents of Ulan Ude won't mind an end to -40 degrees farenheit average for their winters.
Also, as an added bonus, the Northwest and Northeast passages should melt.

Yeah, it's strange.
Here in Iceland, we didn't have hornets when I was a kid. They didn't thrive in the cold climate. Now they are all over the place.
Also, I worked close to vatnajökull, the biggest glacier in iceland for a few years. Once in a while I go back there and I notice it getting smaller every year...You're not supposed to *see* a glacier shrink.

*bump*

Yeah, it's strange.
Here in Iceland, we didn't have hornets when I was a kid. They didn't thrive in the cold climate. Now they are all over the place.
Also, I worked close to vatnajökull, the biggest glacier in iceland for a few years. Once in a while I go back there and I notice it getting smaller every year...You're not supposed to *see* a glacier shrink.

That's amazing, I knew the weather was screwy, but seeing a glacier shrink, now that's scary and interesting all in one..

It is a natural cycle of the earth and nothing to do with man. Hell, one volcano puts more contamination into the air in a day than man could in years.
Even if that is true about the volcano (though it'd have to be a bloody big volcano, and a strange one to pump CFCs into the atmosphere), the point you're ignoring is that the pollutants humans are pumping into the atmosphere are in addition to said volcanoes. The Earths biosphere has had billions of years to get into equilibrium, but we're suddenly spewing a shit load more pollutants out (and deforesting the planet) far faster than the biosphere can cope with.

Actually,

All it has to be is a very powerful Eruption. Doesn't have to be big to put out a Pelean (sp?) Eruption!

Speaking of hot, it's 30+C over here :confused:

Speaking of hot, it's 30+C over here :confused:

You're Australian right? You should know that's normal for February, it's the hottest month. :p It's the crazy storms lately that i'm worried about. >.>

The winters are definately getting less severe here... it's really quite worrying. The sea freezes later and later into the year etc etc.

Although, yesterday of course, there was a big snow storm here, so about 15 000 without electricity again in the south.

Climate change really is happening, and I'm sure it's not unrelated to human actions.

...Science doesnt mean jack[sic]

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You're Australian right? You should know that's normal for February, it's the hottest month. :p It's the crazy storms lately that i'm worried about. >.>

Yep, gets over 40C in the sun and 35 officially where I am (Northern Territory).

I wonder why NASA would release the report and not any NOAA organization (such as the Climate Prediction Center).

two weeks ago i was on my porch getting a suntan (65 degrees), and two days later i was bundled up in a parka (25 degrees). wierd

PS: im from connecticut

Yes. It is called glacial/pluvial periods. Ever heard of the Ice Age? Remember when North Africa was a lush forest? Try an Ancient History course if the answer to the above is no.

And since you obviously took that course, could you tell us how long it took for Earth to go through those periods? Was it thousands of years, or decades?

The change we are noticing right now is taking place at an unprecedented pace, much faster than any change observed in the geological records. It may be natural, though current research and evidence tend to point to a human made cause.


It is a natural cycle of the earth and nothing to do with man. Hell, one volcano puts more contamination into the air in a day than man could in years.
Perhaps, but most of what the volcano puts out is water, hardly a pollutant. And that doesn't mean that we can add our layer of contaminants on top of that, especially when our contaminants are far more exotic.

And those who complain that it's colder where you are, or that it may be good because northern places will become milder, remember two things:

1. Global warming refers to average world temperature, not to local changes. That means that although some places may be colder, or winter gets worse, other placers will be hotter and summer will be longer.

2. The impact of even a few tenths of a degree change on *average* temperature is unknown. Some areas that are too cold might get milder, but others that are heavily populated right now might become deserts. Also water currents and wind changes could change the picture drastically.

Can we do something about it? Some studies suggest that even moderate restrictions on pollutant emissions will have significant impact, but more are needed. However, the main barrier is political, since any changes to current emission legislation will mean investment.

I told them about the volvanoes and contamination before but all I got was grief and was asked for proof about the statement.

They always want "proof", so let's give them some.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050120_great_dying.html

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/samson/global_warming_potential/

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/frequent_questions/grp13/question994.html

http://www.strategies.org/Discover%20Earth%20Lessons/LESSON5.html

They always want "proof", so let's give them some.

No one's ever denied that there have been hot and cold periods in the past. No one's denied that volcanic emissions can cause some cooling. But you still miss the point.

We know that some of the changes in the past were caused by massive volcanism, asteroid impacts, changes in ocean currents due to continental derive, etc. They didn't "just happen".

What explanations can you find for the current trend of sustained global average temperature rise? Has there been an increase in volcanic activity? Has more solar radiation been reaching the Earth? Tell me, since you are so well acquainted with science, what can be driving this change?

The winters are definately getting less severe here... it's really quite worrying. The sea freezes later and later into the year etc etc.

Although, yesterday of course, there was a big snow storm here, so about 15 000 without electricity again in the south.

Climate change really is happening, and I'm sure it's not unrelated to human actions.

They are? Then I guess you haven't seen the snow storms that hit the North East! Couple of Feet worth of Snow.

I wonder why NASA would release the report and not any NOAA organization (such as the Climate Prediction Center).

Maybe because NOAA is more compelling and alot more thorough than NASA!

two weeks ago i was on my porch getting a suntan (65 degrees), and two days later i was bundled up in a parka (25 degrees). wierd

PS: im from connecticut

That explains that. Conn gets funky weather just like where I'm at in PA as well as my hometown in PA!

We just had one of the coldest winters on record here.

The biggest problem I have with the global warming debate is that it's all anicdotal evidence. "It's really hot, must be global warming."

Folks, check the average temperatures. Last year we had a very warm winter, and we kept hearing all the global warming talk. Meanwhile, Buffalo was under several feet of snow!

Dont worry people, if you are worried about Global Warming, read this (http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/The%20New%20Ice%20Age.htm)
:D

So the Inuits were right all along.